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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(7,826 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 04:04 AM Jun 2023

anti-abortion nut Matt Sande questions "wide and easy access to contraceptives" given workforce gap

proof that they are not just anti-abortion, they are anti contraception.



Still, anti-abortion group Pro-Life Wisconsin's Director of Legislation Matt Sande, during a hearing Wednesday, suggested contraception contributes to the state's workforce gap.


Sande, during his testimony, said, "On October 22, 2021, the Wisconsin State Journal ran a story on Wisconsin's unemployment rate. In the story, Department of Workforce Development officials said Wisconsin employers continue to struggle to find jobs, to fill jobs, due to a workforce gap driven by low birth rates."

The pro-lifer added, "Quote the labor force may decline by 2035 rather than just be flat said Scott Hodick, section chief of DWD's Office of Economic Advisors. Quote this is essentially the retirement of the baby boomer generation. As that generation ages and in turn ages out of the labor force, it becomes more and more difficult to replace those job openings, end quote."


Sande emphasized, "At a time when state government should be developing and promoting policies that incentivize natural population growth — which I know is a bipartisan concern — why would the bill authors attempt to do the opposite by pushing wide and easy access to contraceptives? Just something to think about."


State Rep. Lisa Subeck (R) replied to Sande, saying, "First off, I find it incredibly offensive that you think that my decisions or anybody else's decisions on whether or not to plan to engage in family planning should be determined based on whether or not we have a worker shortage. So I just find that part of your testimony incredibly offensive as a woman, and quite frankly as a human being."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wisconsin-republican-blasts-pro-lifer-s-suggestion-workforce-gap-driven-by-low-birth-rates/ar-AA1cgecL
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anti-abortion nut Matt Sande questions "wide and easy access to contraceptives" given workforce gap (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 OP
Ooo, I know why they'd rather steal our rights than let more immigrants in. eShirl Jun 2023 #1
Fixed It For Him smb Jun 2023 #2
Yes!! JanLip Jun 2023 #24
exactly! BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #30
Sande, you will be REPLACED by people of color and it frightens you Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #3
Yup. That ship has saled TexasBushwhacker Jun 2023 #32
Someone who'd speak this way when a person's right to choose to have children Hortensis Jun 2023 #4
If only there were a way to find people willing to move to the U.S. and do these jobs! tanyev Jun 2023 #5
Right? AllyCat Jun 2023 #11
That really isn't the answer though edisdead Jun 2023 #15
Agree 100%. tanyev Jun 2023 #22
Gotta make sure there's a steady supply of low-wage laborers MissMillie Jun 2023 #6
These racists are panicked that white people will be a minority. yardwork Jun 2023 #7
They should have panicked a looooong time ago. Iggo Jun 2023 #9
They don't care that California was originally stolen from indigenous people ... Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #17
They're wrong about everything, basically. yardwork Jun 2023 #19
Yup! Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #20
My parents were the same generation as yours. yardwork Jun 2023 #21
" My parents were feisty, opinionated, and used to doing for themselves" JanLip Jun 2023 #26
In the long run, it doesn't matter if they care or not. Iggo Jun 2023 #27
no turning these demographic changes around...GOP know that. crazy rightwing SCOTUS can't change it BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #31
Just a continuation of Alito's argument about the "domestic supply of infants" Freddie Jun 2023 #8
Republican Contraception Reality NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #28
Maybe Republican women will do what the Republican women in SC did? AllyCat Jun 2023 #10
wow, that's seems like some "saying the quiet part out loud" business to me anarch Jun 2023 #12
"WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF CHEAP LABOR! Aristus Jun 2023 #13
Even if the "right" people start Retrograde Jun 2023 #23
Let him personally volunteer to have more babies. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #14
The fewer people on the planet, the better. Period. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #16
Now, there's a stupid, stupid man. MineralMan Jun 2023 #18
It's about the hatred for women, it was NEVER about "the babies." Maru Kitteh Jun 2023 #25
Wait... what? Deep State Witch Jun 2023 #29

eShirl

(18,479 posts)
1. Ooo, I know why they'd rather steal our rights than let more immigrants in.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 04:29 AM
Jun 2023

because they want to keep America white

smb

(3,471 posts)
2. Fixed It For Him
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 05:46 AM
Jun 2023
Wisconsin employers continue to struggle to find jobs, to fill jobs, due to a workforce gap driven by business refusal to pay wages and benefits dictated by labor market conditions.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,957 posts)
3. Sande, you will be REPLACED by people of color and it frightens you
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 06:04 AM
Jun 2023

Forced white birthing will not stop your REPLACEMENT.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,142 posts)
32. Yup. That ship has saled
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:49 PM
Jun 2023

And the worker shortage isn't just because of low birth rates. It's because the Baby Boomers have been turning 65, the traditional age for retirement, at a rate of 10K PER DAY since 2011 and will continue through 2029. That's 3.6 Million workers leaving the job market per year, and they aren't coming back.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Someone who'd speak this way when a person's right to choose to have children
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 07:05 AM
Jun 2023

or not, and how many, is considered sacred by almost everyone would support government control of reproduction. Duty of people to serve the state to replace government of, by and for the people.

"Liberalism is the individual. Fascism is the state." ~ Benito Mussolini

tanyev

(42,516 posts)
5. If only there were a way to find people willing to move to the U.S. and do these jobs!
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 08:28 AM
Jun 2023

If only, if only, if only.


edisdead

(1,909 posts)
15. That really isn't the answer though
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:21 AM
Jun 2023

Allowing people to move here to do tough work for low pay isn’t right either. We should be paying good money for these jobs so that whoever applies for them is paid. AND we should allow people seeking to come here to do so.

tanyev

(42,516 posts)
22. Agree 100%.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 01:45 PM
Jun 2023

I was mostly focused on the ridiculousness of more babies solving an immediate labor shortage. Although the way many Republicans are talking, those babies could start working in only 13 or 14 years, so it’s not like we’d have to wait for them to graduate from college.

MissMillie

(38,531 posts)
6. Gotta make sure there's a steady supply of low-wage laborers
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 08:34 AM
Jun 2023

And if they keep short-changing public education, and relaxing child labor laws, we can get those kids into jobs really early in their lives...

...AND if they change the law they can make sure these folks won't be eligible to collect Social Security until they're 80.


All hail the corporate oligarchy.

Iggo

(47,534 posts)
9. They should have panicked a looooong time ago.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:49 AM
Jun 2023

I don’t think that’s a trend you can turn around in a generation, or even a few, “quiverfull“ or no.

It was quite a few years back that more brown babies than white babies were born in the most populous state in the nation.

“Of all live births in California during 2018-2020 (average), 46.1% were Hispanic, 28.8% were white, 5.6% were black, 0.4% were American Indian/Alaska Native and 15.9% were Asian/Pacific Islander.”

Source: https://www.marchofdimes.org/peristats/data?reg=99&top=2&stop=10&lev=1&slev=4&obj=3&sreg=06

It’s coming.

Sky Jewels

(7,015 posts)
17. They don't care that California was originally stolen from indigenous people ...
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:59 AM
Jun 2023

and then stolen from Mexico. They think white people "own" California.

They can fuck off.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
19. They're wrong about everything, basically.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 12:05 PM
Jun 2023

That's why there's hysteria over teaching actual American history. None of it matches the fantasy these people have created that God made America for white Christians to own.

They can believe whatever they want, but now they're trying to force everybody else to live in their bizarre fantasy. Those of us who don't fit into their idea of the chosen people (white straight cis men and their obedient wives) are supposed to go along with this? I don't think so!

Sky Jewels

(7,015 posts)
20. Yup!
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 12:16 PM
Jun 2023

The friends of my parents are affluent, white, straight Silent Gen Californians (Bay Area suburbs). Many have revealed themselves to be racist, Republican creeps. They're more of the "I got mine and fuck everyone else" variety and not so much the religious/fundie types. (I wasn't really aware of their politics when I was amongst them as a kid/teen/college student in the 70s and 80s.) They love them some Ronnie Reagan and they are furious that the California they once knew, where white people unquestionably ruled the roost, is no more. Their numbers are really starting to dwindle, though, because most of them are/were in their 80s. Thankfully my own mother became very liberal, starting in the '90s. (My dad died several years ago. He was sucked in by the economic bullshit propaganda spewed by Reagan, but them the GOP became too crazy for him, and he voted for Clinton both times.)

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
21. My parents were the same generation as yours.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 01:23 PM
Jun 2023

I have relatives who've fled California because blah blah blah guns etc.

Both my parents were socially very liberal but, like yours, believed Reagan for some reason. Never could budge them on that.

My mom's last election was fall 2020. She couldn't wait to vote against Trump.

The Silent Generation has an interesting combination of beliefs. I always felt that my parents were shaped by a neglected childhood, as the grownups focused on the Depression and WWII. My parents were feisty, opinionated, and used to doing for themselves. Didn't like rules and didn't like peer pressure.

JanLip

(845 posts)
26. " My parents were feisty, opinionated, and used to doing for themselves"
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 02:09 PM
Jun 2023

You just described my Mother. She passed four years ago at age 94. She was very opinionated and would tell anyone what she thought. She was a liberal democrat and I’m a chip off the old block. She couldn’t stand Reagan, the Bushes or especially Trump. The only Republican she said she voted for was Ike. I sure miss our talks. Oh and she would say Bill Clinton could park his shoes under her bed anytime. LOL

Jan

Iggo

(47,534 posts)
27. In the long run, it doesn't matter if they care or not.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 02:27 PM
Jun 2023

Like Cyrus said: “Can you count, Suckas?”

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(7,826 posts)
31. no turning these demographic changes around...GOP know that. crazy rightwing SCOTUS can't change it
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 06:03 PM
Jun 2023

all the voter suppression in the world can't change it.

Freddie

(9,256 posts)
8. Just a continuation of Alito's argument about the "domestic supply of infants"
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 09:07 AM
Jun 2023

Women ONLY exist to breed in R world.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
28. Republican Contraception Reality
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 04:20 PM
Jun 2023

They want a real Handmaids Tale where white women are incubators and nothing more. If they could science it so they'd have litters they would.

AllyCat

(16,140 posts)
10. Maybe Republican women will do what the Republican women in SC did?
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:50 AM
Jun 2023

Even Joel Kitchens agreed as he authored the bill.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
12. wow, that's seems like some "saying the quiet part out loud" business to me
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:55 AM
Jun 2023

It's almost like if someone comes out and says, "hell no we can't do anything to help needy people get the necessities of life--if they don't have homelessness and starvation hanging over their heads, how will we get them to work at jobs they hate, doing socially useless bullshit with the sole purpose of making a profit for oligarchs?"

Retrograde

(10,129 posts)
23. Even if the "right" people start
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 01:48 PM
Jun 2023

having more children now, it will take a decade or two to build up that cheap labor force. So what does this loon propose we do in the mean time to fill the gap? Import "guest workers" and hope they somehow disappear when no longer needed?

Sky Jewels

(7,015 posts)
16. The fewer people on the planet, the better. Period.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:57 AM
Jun 2023

I hope the human population starts to tank everywhere. Yes, it will suck for old people (and I'll soon be amongst that group myself if I'm not already) because there won't be enough workers to care for us. But too bad. The planet has had enough of our vermin species of violent, destructive hairless apes.

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
25. It's about the hatred for women, it was NEVER about "the babies."
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 01:57 PM
Jun 2023

It is ALWAYS about the hatred for women. It's only the excuses change on the regular.


Deep State Witch

(10,409 posts)
29. Wait... what?
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 04:22 PM
Jun 2023

I mean, I know that the Repukes are all for child labor these days. But they do have to grow up a little bit before you can put them to work!

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