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Gerry Ford's catastrophic decision to pardon Nixon (Original Post) speak easy Jun 2023 OP
In a way, Nixon's crimes were more serious because they were nefarious, devious bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #1
Nixon was self-serving ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #35
True word Easterncedar Jun 2023 #2
I agree. I was very disappointed in Ford for that. Well, very pissed off. I hated Nixon. Hekate Jun 2023 #3
I wanted Nixon tried H2O Man Jun 2023 #9
I always believed it to e be the worst possible decision UpInArms Jun 2023 #4
Reading an awesome book BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #5
Jefferson Davis speak easy Jun 2023 #8
He was granted amnesty BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #11
Yes I know. speak easy Jun 2023 #12
And BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #17
'Fever in the Heartland' speak easy Jun 2023 #19
Recently published BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #22
KKK: Founded: December 24, 1865, Pulaski, Tennessee Celerity Jun 2023 #29
Though he tried make sure his being chosen for the VP office by Nixon tetedur Jun 2023 #6
Ford saved the Republican party. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2023 #7
I disagree. Without that pardon, Ford could have won in '76. speak easy Jun 2023 #10
Why? No one voted for Ford to be President in '74. tetedur Jun 2023 #18
74% approval when taking office. 48% after pardoning Nixon. speak easy Jun 2023 #20
Actually, Ford was extremely popular with the Republican Party DFW Jun 2023 #28
I wasn't talking about Ford. If Nixon was impeached or convicted of a crime NoMoreRepugs Jun 2023 #30
Ford NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #21
I liked him too speak easy Jun 2023 #25
naw Skittles Jun 2023 #13
Goldwater-Nixon-Reagan-Gingrinch-W-Trump speak easy Jun 2023 #14
honestly, when I think about Watergate now Skittles Jun 2023 #16
Totally RobinA Jun 2023 #32
excellent assessment Skittles Jun 2023 #34
Nixon should have been prosecuted. tetedur Jun 2023 #15
Impeachment is a toothless tiger. speak easy Jun 2023 #23
I think Gerald Ford's decision slightlv Jun 2023 #24
Yes. That's how I see it. speak easy Jun 2023 #26
I actually think George HW Bush's decision to pardon Iran-Contra offenders was even more damaging. StevieM Jun 2023 #27
A Roundabout Thought NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #31
Ford couldn't have run again in 1980 ITAL Jun 2023 #33

bucolic_frolic

(43,111 posts)
1. In a way, Nixon's crimes were more serious because they were nefarious, devious
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 09:57 PM
Jun 2023

but they were not treasonous per se.

Say what you want about Trump, he does a lot of it in plain sight, except for the attempts at Electoral College jiggering and classified document schemes. But Jan 6 was full on a public event for all to see.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
35. Nixon was self-serving
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:55 AM
Jun 2023

And his crimes were bad because they violated our norms within the country itself, but they weren't dangerous beyond that.

TFG's are serious in their danger, because they have caused damage to our national security. The kind that may take decades to repair.

Nixon was penny-ante in comparison.

Hekate

(90,616 posts)
3. I agree. I was very disappointed in Ford for that. Well, very pissed off. I hated Nixon.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 09:57 PM
Jun 2023

I did not believe there could be a worse president. Boy, was I wrong.


H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
9. I wanted Nixon tried
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:07 PM
Jun 2023

for his crimes. I was pissed at Ford's action. But Nixon had planned a "national security" legal defense, and his legal team would have requested several national security documents that would have indicated a concern that there was a revolution brewing. Those documents couldn't have been released in court, and thus it would never have gone to trial. Creep that he was, Nixon was far, far smarter than the defendent.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
4. I always believed it to e be the worst possible decision
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:01 PM
Jun 2023

It placed Nixon, and by extension the presidency, in an “above the law” status

Thereby ushering in the possibility of future criminal behavior

BOSSHOG

(37,034 posts)
5. Reading an awesome book
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:02 PM
Jun 2023

Now, which I will expound upon when finished, but it strongly suggests that the KKK was created in the late 19th century because those who committed treason during the civil war were never tried for the crime. Sometimes the good guys are too good.

speak easy

(9,219 posts)
12. Yes I know.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:12 PM
Jun 2023

I was taking up you point. Granting amnesty to all the confederates, even their leader, laid the groundwork for the KKK and the Lost Cause.

BOSSHOG

(37,034 posts)
17. And
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:22 PM
Jun 2023

The KKK OF THE 19th century and 100 years ago were the MAGAs of today only a helluva lot more dangerous in an environment conducive to their kind. So sad what power carnival barkers hold over a sad segment of our populace,

The Book is A Fever in the Heartland by Timothy Egan. Non Fiction. Trump in the 1920s. Im about halfway through and it makes me wanna puke reading about conservative values in action.

BOSSHOG

(37,034 posts)
22. Recently published
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:32 PM
Jun 2023

I wanted to throw it against the wall. I’ll suffer through the rest. Outstanding research and easily read. Our country has so many stains.

Celerity

(43,241 posts)
29. KKK: Founded: December 24, 1865, Pulaski, Tennessee
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:51 PM
Jun 2023

In existence:

First Klan: 1865–1872;

Second Klan: 1915–1944;

Third Klan: 1946/1950–present

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

tetedur

(820 posts)
6. Though he tried make sure his being chosen for the VP office by Nixon
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:03 PM
Jun 2023

was not contingent on a pardon, I believe it was. Haig had approached him with the idea. He made some kind of effort to shut Haig down. wink wink.

tetedur

(820 posts)
18. Why? No one voted for Ford to be President in '74.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:23 PM
Jun 2023

I don't remember him being that popular or notable in the Republican party.

He was on the Warren Commission.

DFW

(54,325 posts)
28. Actually, Ford was extremely popular with the Republican Party
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:45 PM
Jun 2023

He was super-personable, and came across as sincere. Even I liked him (!!). My dad, whose « beat » was the St. Lawrence Seaway and the Great Lakes States, had to know all the Senators, Congressmen, and Governors from those states. When my dad introduced us in 1975, Ford called out to him by his first name, and he was every bit as gracious as his rep said he was.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,400 posts)
30. I wasn't talking about Ford. If Nixon was impeached or convicted of a crime
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 08:51 AM
Jun 2023

I believe the American populace would by and large have rejected the Republican Party - there were a lot more true Patriots in those days IMO. Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. might have been severely tainted with a Nixon conviction in front of the nation. Again, just an opinion.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
21. Ford
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:32 PM
Jun 2023

Despite his being a Republican, I always liked Gerald Ford. He was the accidental President. Not elected to either the VP or Pres office. Reading about him years ago when he died he seemed like a decent guy. A WW2 veteran who served honorably. He signed the Helsinki Accords to establish detente with the Soviet Union.

Pardoning Nixon was a mistake. It sent the wrong message. Nixon could've been found guilty and probably would've spent a few years under house arrest and been done with it. Ford probably would've won election and we would've waited another four years for Carter or Reagan although Ford could've run for two terms. I think Ford thought he was doing the right thing. I also think he probably knew he was dooming his election chances. The fact he did pardon Nixon while knowing he was hurting himself shows me he was more concerned about healing than his political future. His healing thought was wrong, but I think he really believed it.

Ford is a legend here in the Palm Springs area. I drive down Gerald Ford at least once a week. The Betty Ford Center is renowned. He died here in Rancho Mirage in 2006. Ive found he is well liked here by people of both parties. History has a way of leveling itself over time. In some ways I kind of view him like Carter. By that I mean a decent guy. Don't agree with all the positions, but a decent guy. Not the hate we see today.

speak easy

(9,219 posts)
25. I liked him too
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:39 PM
Jun 2023

but I was a Libertarian back then. I believed the United States was a nation of laws, and wanted Nixon held to account for what he put us through.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
16. honestly, when I think about Watergate now
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:20 PM
Jun 2023

it's just chump change compared to the sickening corruption of Reagan, Bush, Trump

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
32. Totally
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 12:12 PM
Jun 2023

Nixon was standard issue for back then and today would probably be a Democrat by ideology.

Reagan was and is the problem. I liked Ford and thought pardoning Nixon was arguably the sensible thing to do. Now if someone can make an argument that if Ford had not pardoned Nixon we wouldn't have had Reagan, I'm listening, but I'm not seeing it.

Trump sprung from a hellhole in the Earth and has nothing to do with anything that came before. The MAGAs who elected him are more a Reagan product than a Nixon product.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
34. excellent assessment
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 05:41 PM
Jun 2023

I too thought that the pardon was the best thing to do and I don't think that is what led to Reagan....something about the 80's - with the introduction of mass-produced cheap offshore stuff prompted greed to take off, and Reagan made greed and ignorance fashionable. America has yet to recover from the damage Reagan inflicted on America.

tetedur

(820 posts)
15. Nixon should have been prosecuted.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:20 PM
Jun 2023

Reagan and GHW Bush should have been impeached for Iran-Contra.
W. Bush should have been impeached for sending the country to war in Iraq with lies.

Trump is the logical consequence of letting all these crimes go without penalty brought to the President responsible.

slightlv

(2,782 posts)
24. I think Gerald Ford's decision
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:36 PM
Jun 2023

to pardon Nixon brought us directly to several Republican scandals and ultimately to Trump. THAT nightmare is going to be a long time getting over. I hope, but am not sure, it will completely destroy the R party.

Reagan and his "advisors" (many of whom showed throughout gov't up to and into Junior's admin) were involved in all of these scandals and did more to damage the United States in a covert, existential manner than Ford pardoning Nixon, IMO. Reagan's trickle down theory, Iran-Contra, the rise of the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society, the stripping of the "welfare state," as Reagan put it, the continued chipping away at aspects of the New Deal, the shutdown of the mental health institutions, the killing of Unions, the blessings of huge mergers and loss of monopoly protection, and all the rest of it... not to mention the recession and unfair tax changes... these were things under Reagan and continued under every Republican administration since. In fact, each succeeding R admin has tried to out-Reagan Reagan. Remember -- "Conservatism" can't fail; it can only BE failed. Of course, what practice isn't really conservatism. It's radical Authoritarianism; Plutocracy at its highest form. But they're either too stupid to know that or high enough on the ladder to not care.

So both speak easy and skittles, to my mind, have it correct. Both of these Republicans did inordinate damage to our country. Most of us here at DU are old enough to have lived through the Nixon hearings. We remember and were outraged when he was pardoned. We wrestled with the National Security issues. We also were young enough to be offended by the reasoning. And most of us, I daresay, wanted Nixon tried on terms of treason back then. But he WAS smart, and he had smart advisors. They were smart for Nixon. However, most of them went to prison. We had to take heart at that, and at the laws that came afterwards because of what Nixon did.

Not enough was done about Reagan, because it was done on the down-low, or under cover of law by the Republican Congresses. And we live with so much of it even today. That's why I call it existential. Unless and until we can get rid of those bad laws, we will never recover. Just take one. Monopolies, or near monopolies, HAVE to be made absolutely illegal again. No more mega-mergers. Oligopolies absolutely must not be allowed to exist. We have to have new bank laws, and not those that have been softened by repugs.

We have to start undoing what was done by Reagan before we can begin to rebuild this nation. To do that, we have to have the Presidency the House and Senate. And all three must be people by representatives who feel this as keenly as we do. I don't care whether these reps are young or old. There's good and bad to be said for both sides of the age scale. The young feel the keenness of the injustice. The old have lived through the injustice for decades. But we have to be united in the cause. And we HAVE to bring the center back to the center. No more of this "center" leaning towards the right.

My god... do you know the word is Nixon would have been seen as a democrat these days? That's how far skewed politics is these days!!!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
27. I actually think George HW Bush's decision to pardon Iran-Contra offenders was even more damaging.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:41 PM
Jun 2023

At least Nixon was left disgraced and many of his associates went to prison. Most importantly, the American people fully understood that something awful had happened in Watergate.

Nobody got punished for Iran-Contra. And the Republicans went on to act like nothing wrong was done. That taught them that they could get away with anything if they stayed on message and kept lying.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
31. A Roundabout Thought
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 11:08 AM
Jun 2023

Let’s say Ford didn’t pardon Nixon and was elected in 76. He’d be in office then could’ve run again for a second term. Since he went into office in 74 with the resignation the first two years wouldn’t have counted as part of the “two term” limit.

So let’s imagine for a minute that had happened. In 84 he’d have finished a second term. Reagan (already fading mentally) probably would’ve run. But who would’ve run against him in the primary and general election then? Mondale? So imagine Carter lost to Ford in 76 and probably wouldn’t try again.

We probably would’ve never had a President Carter. He barely beat Ford even with the pardon baggage. While Carter had some challenges in office I consider him to be one of the most upstanding, moral and ethical people to ever hold the office. If he’d never been President would he have brought to the public’s attention things like Habitat for Humanity? Would he have brought human rights to the forefront and won the Nobel Prize? I can’t think of another President who was so successful AFTER leaving office at making the world a better place. It seems like most of them kind of disappear.

In a roundabout way we have President Ford and his pardon to thank for giving us Jimmy Carter. The world us a better place thanks to our having had a President Carter.

ITAL

(629 posts)
33. Ford couldn't have run again in 1980
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 12:24 PM
Jun 2023

Ford took over the presidency August 9th, 1974. He ended up serving for 895 days (till January 20, 1977). There are 1461 days in four years, so Ford served over half and could therefore only have one full term, plus the abbreviated one he actually did serve.

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