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Any chance to the orange one will be found guilty by a jury in Florida? (Original Post) helpisontheway Jun 2023 OP
Yes Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #1
Okay good!!!nt helpisontheway Jun 2023 #3
Miami-Dade isn't blue. Marius25 Jun 2023 #4
Biden won it edhopper Jun 2023 #10
Biden won the county. TwilightZone Jun 2023 #21
No jury case is ever a slam dunk. But keep in mind the grand jury was from Miami onenote Jun 2023 #16
True but to be fair, grand juries almost always indict, especially federal ones Marius25 Jun 2023 #18
Depends how many MAGA cult members are on the jury Marius25 Jun 2023 #2
Do you think that DOJ will not be able to weed out the wnylib Jun 2023 #8
They can try, but I don't think it's possible to guarantee they won't be on the jury Marius25 Jun 2023 #11
Well, a Florida grand jury was able to indict him. wnylib Jun 2023 #20
There's a chance, sure. The evidence is overwhelming and simple. RockRaven Jun 2023 #5
Did he pack FL courts with Republican judges? live love laugh Jun 2023 #6
Not really. onenote Jun 2023 #14
Thanks. Super informative. live love laugh Jun 2023 #15
Yes. H2O Man Jun 2023 #7
Of course. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #9
There is a mountain of evidence...I think a jury takes their oath more seriously Deuxcents Jun 2023 #12
Sure mcar Jun 2023 #13
Yes. I'd put money on it. LuckyCharms Jun 2023 #17
Yes. emulatorloo Jun 2023 #19
If The Jury Actually Considers The Evidence, Yes ChoppinBroccoli Jun 2023 #22
The reality show continues....our Democracy is not important to the MAGA crowd. walkingman Jun 2023 #23
No, I expect he will take some type of deal Johonny Jun 2023 #24
It's still federal court. Beau of the fifth column called the federal court system "a beast." PortTack Jun 2023 #25

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
21. Biden won the county.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:24 PM
Jun 2023

Also, the Latino population in the county is not a monolithic bloc.

"In Miami-Dade County, the majority of Trump support came from the west and the majority of Biden support came from the east. People of Mexican, Haitian, and African descent tended to vote for Biden, while people of Cuban, Chilean and Colombian descent did so for Trump, as well as the critical Venezuelan vote swinging Republican."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida#Miami-Dade_County

onenote

(42,602 posts)
16. No jury case is ever a slam dunk. But keep in mind the grand jury was from Miami
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:08 PM
Jun 2023

and they voted to indict him.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
18. True but to be fair, grand juries almost always indict, especially federal ones
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:09 PM
Jun 2023

And it doesn't require a unanimous verdict.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
8. Do you think that DOJ will not be able to weed out the
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:00 PM
Jun 2023

MAGAs when the jury is selected?

Considering how good Smith is at doing investigations, I think that he will be able to assess the members of the jury pool pretty well.



 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
11. They can try, but I don't think it's possible to guarantee they won't be on the jury
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:04 PM
Jun 2023

They have a limited amount of jury strikes.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
20. Well, a Florida grand jury was able to indict him.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:17 PM
Jun 2023

Consider the jurisdiction of the trial more than the state as a whole.

If there is a hung jury, then DOJ can retry him.

DOJ can also look at public records of the jury pool individuals, like voter registration and social media.

Then there are the people who voted for him but are disgusted with his behavior, especially on J6. They might prefer DeSantis and feel no qualms about convicting Trump.

RockRaven

(14,907 posts)
5. There's a chance, sure. The evidence is overwhelming and simple.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 10:58 PM
Jun 2023

His only way free is jury nullification, which is definitely a risk. Bad actors are everywhere.

onenote

(42,602 posts)
14. Not really.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:06 PM
Jun 2023

Of the 15 active judges in the Southern District, one was appointed by GHWBush, 2 by GWBush, 2 by Clinton, 5 by Obama and 5 by Trump.

However, if the case is heard in the West Palm Division (because Mar-a-Lago is in Palm Beach County ), the pool of active judges consists of one Clinton and one Obama appointee. If its heard in Miami, the pool of active judges consists of one GHWBush, 2 GWBush, 4 Obama and 2 Trump.

There are 11 judges on senior status, ranging in age from 96 to 71. I doubt the case would be given to a senior status judge.

Ocelot II

(115,609 posts)
9. Of course.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:02 PM
Jun 2023

One example is the juror in the Manafort trial who said she left her MAGA hat in her car when she went into the jury room, and voted to find Manafort guilty.

Deuxcents

(16,088 posts)
12. There is a mountain of evidence...I think a jury takes their oath more seriously
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:04 PM
Jun 2023

Than tfg took his and that’s why he’s in the situation he’s in.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,781 posts)
22. If The Jury Actually Considers The Evidence, Yes
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 11:28 PM
Jun 2023

The problem is, I'm worried that one MAGAt will lie their way onto the jury and refuse to even LOOK at the evidence.

The nice thing about this being a criminal case, though, is that even if a MAGAt gets on the jury and causes a hung jury, the DOJ will almost assuredly re-try the case. Hung juries in small cases are almost always tantamount to acquittals because the prosecutors have neither the time nor the money to re-try the case a second time. The DOJ has unlimited funds and manpower, so even if a MAGAt hangs the jury, the DOJ will definitely go after him again.

I think Trump is going to do his typical delaying tactic, hoping against hope that he can wait out the trial until he gets a new DOJ that will drop the case against him. I think that's highly unlikely, because I don't believe that people will vote for someone under all these indictments, so he's going to have to wait a minimum of 5 years for a new DOJ. He'll be dead by then.

walkingman

(7,583 posts)
23. The reality show continues....our Democracy is not important to the MAGA crowd.
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 12:52 AM
Jun 2023

He has discredited law enforcement, national security, rule of law.

Is this American Exceptionalism?

Johonny

(20,819 posts)
24. No, I expect he will take some type of deal
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 01:08 AM
Jun 2023

Maybe not right away. But I assume he will already face pressure from the New York case. If the Georgia case also becomes a reality, and then January 6th . . . he's going to start looking for deals.

PortTack

(32,710 posts)
25. It's still federal court. Beau of the fifth column called the federal court system "a beast."
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 02:21 AM
Jun 2023

Says it being held in FL will not impact the case at all, that it’s a way for them to side step any delay tactics they might throw out.

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