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(7,113 posts)Tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out.
Smart money says they'll do like a young child who threatens to run away from home: If allowed to pack their bag and take three steps out the door, they'll burst into tears and come running home.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Everlasting GOP Stoppers made this after an IM exchange we had.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Thanks! Was going to add you,lol.
I don't do very much politics on my FB page but was going to make an exception.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)It's William Rivers Pitt. We have fun, come on by!
Arkansas Granny
(31,528 posts)have petitioned to secede. It's embarassing.
SouthernLiberal
(407 posts)That did not surprise me though, since we have already been the chosen target of the folks who want to take over SC and then secede to form an evangelical christian nation.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)it's another issue to distract us from what is really going on. We have to really watch what is going on in Washington during the lame duck period until January when the power structure shifts.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)robertpaulsen
(8,632 posts)I signed this petition laughingly, wondering how many people who actually signed a petition to withdraw their state from the USA ever said to someone else, "America! Love it or leave it!"
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL
Polldancer2012
(88 posts)Let me explain why I am right.
Lets pretend BOOM Texas is a nation. First thing that happens is an uber right wing constitution and the Dems flee the state. That includes millions of low income people from urban areas. Then businesses will move to Texas, wealthy people will move there for tax reasons.
At this point the US would have to cordon off the state and have no trade agreements because if Texas were allowed to trade with the US it would be a wealthy nation.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)then who will do all the low-paying but necessary jobs?
And why would businesses relocate there if there is no pool of available workers?
Polldancer2012
(88 posts)TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)You sound like those people who berated the poor in New Orleans for not leaving before the storm came.
How the hell are all those urban poor supposed to get out? Walk? Cause a good number of them don't have cars or the money for gasoline. And then there is the: I'm not moving no matter what apolitical poor.
Given that more of the poor states are conservative, I'm pretty sure that the conservative poor who could afford to move to Texas would outnumber those that left. That means they would end up with more needy people than before they "secdeeded".
Polldancer2012
(88 posts)And the US would surely run evacuation transports out of Texas.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)a drain on their now-limited economy.
Polldancer2012
(88 posts)Texas would be the new "Caymans"
IF the US allowed trade between nations...
I can't imagine how many businesses would move their business and cash there.
Why is there auto mfg in Tennessee? Same reason why there'd be mfg in Texas.
Come on, you can do better.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)have no choice but to pull out the military bases.
Major Installations
Army
Fort Bliss
Red River Army Depot
Fort Hood
Sam Houston/Camp Bullis
Ingleside Army Depot
Navy & Marine Corps
Corpus Christi Naval Air Station/Naval Hospital/Naval Station
Kingsville Naval Air Station
Air Force
Randolph AFB
Brooks City Base
Lackland AFB
Sheppard AFB
Air Force Plant 4 (formerly Carswell AFB)
Dyess AFB
Goodfellow AFB
Laughlin AFB
Coast Guard
Corpus Christi
Houston/Galveston
VTS Houston/Galveston
Air Station Corpus Christi
Air Station Houston
Search and Rescue Station Freeport
Search and Rescue Station Port Aransas
Marine Safety Unit Port Arthur
VTS Port Arthur
Marine Safety Unit Texas City
Now factor in the loss of spending. No FEMA is a biggie for Texas as they tend to get hurricanes, hope they allow people to keep their bootstraps. Football season would be pretty boring with only 2 teams.
Forget those student loans and pell grants for college students. I wonder how long it would take for the highway system to crumble without federal funds.
How will they protect themselves if Mexico decides to invade?
There isn't anything made in Texas that the US can't get elsewhere. So I suspect the US will ban trade with Texas and get a UN coalition of sanctions.
Now do you really think Texas would not only survive, but thrive.
Polldancer2012
(88 posts)I said several times in my post...
IF TRADE IS ALLOWED.
Obviously the US can bomb Texas duh.
But if Texas were allowed to survive LIKE MEXICO or LIKE CANADA... as a neighbor and trading ally... yes they'd thrive.
And if it was an amicable separation, they'd negotiate Texas keeping some of the military hardware and infrastructure. Mexico invading lol?? The 3rd Armored Cav by ITSELF could beat anything the nation of MEXICO has lol.
But this is all philosophic masturbation as it will never happen. It just annoys me when people say dumb things like "Texas couldn't survive without the US"
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)Do you really think the US government would let Texas secede amicably? That is pure fantasy. Allowing Texas keep billions of dollars of military equipment. Nope. That would never happen.
The 3rd armored Calvary would save Texas from a Mexican invasion. Do you mean the 3AC that is PART of the US Army? That one? Think again. Sure some military would try to defect and defend Texas. They would even probably get a lot of people to move there. Just as many people would be leaving.
Do you honestly think the US government would let a state secede? There would be war and bombs dropped. The last time states tried to really secede there was this thing called THE CIVIL WAR. How sure are you of the people in Texas taking up arms in a revolt? If they are that anxious to actually go to war there is one in Afghanistan they could volunteer for, but they aren't.
How will Texas survive as a country after the US declares war on it? Blocking the ports, getting the UN to authorize sanctions and trade barriers.
Texas could not survive without the US government. Even Rick Perry knows that. Texas gets back MORE in federal dollars than it pays in. They will lose the income they get from the military bases. They will lose the shipping industry, they will lose FEMA, they will lose highway spending, and lose infrastructure spending. Not to mention the revenue the sports teams generate. No funding for education. No more college loans and Pell grants = A loss in enrollment. No more Federal grants. UTEP just received a million dollar grant to innovate green technology. Those types of grants will be GONE. The higher ED system will not fare well.
There is nothing that Texas provides the US, that we couldn't get elsewhere. So I will say the Texas today would not survive without the US. Texas would survive in name only. It won't be the Texas you're picturing. It will look more like Afghanistan. It is dumb to think otherwise.
I think it would benefit secessionists to start thinking about America and Americans instead of themselves. It is time for them to stop listening to the hate speech and start supporting the US. It is time for the rmoney's and trumps of this country to give back willingly to the country that helped make them rich. It is time for the hate preach to stop and ministers to lift up their congregations instead of fleecing them. It is time for politicians to stop suppressing the people in favor of the few. It is time for the secession talk to stop. Even if it is not serious. It serves no useful purpose for the future of this country. It serves the purpose of the oligarchs; keeping the citizens divided.
It is just time.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)to do all the menial jobs that the rich and corporations rely on.
But in any case, I doubt poor Democrats would leave because, as has been pointed out, by definition the poor can't afford to relocate.
There's more likely to be a brain drain of the educated and high income earners.
kurt_cagle
(534 posts)Texas is still oil rich, albeit not as much as in the past, and there would be significant questions concerning any oil wells more than 20 miles off the coast. It would also be a business magnet at first, assuming massive liberalization of govt regulations and taxes. However, over time they'd experience a brain drain of qualified labor, and the needs of setting up a new self-sustaining government would ultimately end up driving a move towards "nationalization" of resources for tax purposes. They'd also find themselves seriously struggling with pollution issues, and the first time a hurricane hits Galveston or Houston, the costs involved could be stratospheric.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)but DAMN you're gray!!!
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Happened fast.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)They'll come crawling back home within six months.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)phantom power
(25,966 posts)But that would give us some peace and quiet, and let us have nice things, and so Murphy's Law indicates it will never happen.
cherish44
(2,566 posts)you know for serving, sacrificing and dying for this country they hate so much.
Wha...?
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)n/t
thucythucy
(8,086 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)But in that three years they'd become a third world country and lynch anyone that was LGBT, non-religious (Or the wrong religion), a minority, or a liberal. In the end they'd run out of hated groups to kill and probably have the death penalty for being destitute. So it's probably not an experiment worth trying.