Indictments are not like demerits or bad Yelp reviews.

[Tommy Carcetti]

Last edited Tue Jul 25, 2023, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)

You can't just shake them off or accuse them of being issued out of spite or jealousy, and be done with it.

Indictments mean there is evidence you broke a specific law and that you are being charged with a crime.

They mean you are facing the prospect of having to sit in person for a trial--possibly for a period of days to weeks, depending on the case--where your own personal culpability is on the line.

They mean you are facing the prospect of being found guilty, and having a punishment imposed for your guilt.

Including, in many circumstances, jail/prison time where you will be legally confined and deprived of personal liberty.

Indictments signal a process--a long, laborious, time-consuming process, with real consequences and repercussions.

That's why I don't get all the cynicism about Trump supposedly getting more popular after being indicted, or all the handwringing over trial dates.

First of all, any fortification of popular support for Trump following indictments is happening exclusively within the Republican Party.

He's not getting any support from independents, from moderates, or obviously from Democrats. Indictments only further hurt and erode support for Trump for anyone outside of the cloistered Republican/Trumpist base.

Secondly, regardless of whether any trial happens before the election or after the election, as of now, they're set to happen. And again, unless you're a diehard Trumpist, the fact that Trump is running as a man under indictment is a serious, serious liability and not as asset.

I think it's important to stop and take stock of the truly deep shit Donald Trump is in at the current moment. It's not to be brushed off casually.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

1. Well said.

Indictments are NOT badges of honor.

[The Magistrate]

2. Hear Hear, Sir

[FakeNoose]

3. Chump's problem is he expects his lawyers to wave a magic wand and make it all disappear

He really thinks lawyers can do that. Well, certain kinds of lawyers. Roy Cohn could do it.

However I agree with everything you say here. Chump is in deep shit and it gets deeper every day. It couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. He reaps what he sows.

[Joinfortmill]

12. Love this.

[pwb]

4. When pukes say look over here, look over there?

Changing the definition of words has been a puke play for awhile now. It is always petty when pukes do something wrong. ?????? To them they were all necessary felonies?

[brer cat]

5. Good post, Tommy!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. By time there is an indictment there is evidence. . . . nt

[3825-87867]

7. "and having a punishment imposed for your guilt"

If only!

Well, that's in the eyes of those in power who deal out punishment to those with wealth and standing who supposedly deserve SOME KIND of punishment.

So, how's about a couple thousand dollar fine and suspended sentence or a promise never to do it again? Too harsh? Yeah, you're right!

[vlyons]

8. not all GOPers will continue to support him

Some will get discouraged and stay home for the primary. Some will conclude that a different person has a better chance and vote for someone else in the primary. If he gets convictions before 11/24, his goose is cooked, especially if he gets a jail sentence.

I don't think he will be the GOP nominee. But if he is, that pretty much tars and feathers the GOP, and all that left is to run them out of town.

[3825-87867]

9. I got the feathers!

!

[Pluvious]

10. The growing list of indictments is also...

… diverting the (donated) election campaign funds to the defense teams instead of
promoting the Groping Donald

[Joinfortmill]

11. Amen to that

[Mr. Ected]

13. Preaching to the choir

But hey, direct this at a MAGA who cannot hear the word "indictment" without dropping the subject entirely and pivoting to Hunter/Joe Biden. They still haven't figured out that Congress is not a judicial tribunal and that justice is served through the courts.

[Kablooie]

14. To the maga horde they are.

Law, order and the American way have become symbols of the Left so Republicans reject them all in the name of law, order and the American way.

The maga goons may not be a majority in numbers but they control the Republican Party. Any Republican who defies them will be eliminated.

[Tommy Carcetti]

15. Good luck taking that message into a general election. Nt