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Breaking Judge Chutkan orders Slobby's lawyers to respond to Jack Smith's request for a protective (Original Post) malaise Aug 2023 OP
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #1
Judge should have ordered an earlier deadline...like today at 5 pm. Jerkwad will allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author sinkingfeeling Aug 2023 #3
Here is the notation on the docket LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #4
The enforcers of the rule of law are not playing with this criminal malaise Aug 2023 #6
Chutkan is the right judge for this job. Tough .fair, black and, oh yeah, Jamaican.eh sis panader0 Aug 2023 #74
Nice to see you bro malaise Aug 2023 #75
I'm doing better thanks. playing guitar is good therapy. panader0 Aug 2023 #78
Sweet malaise Aug 2023 #79
Apparently the redline modifications were ordered earlier Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #53
I remember doing redlines manually LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #55
I am retired now - Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #59
The protective order request was pro forma and was already in the works Ocelot II Aug 2023 #5
Thanks malaise Aug 2023 #7
However, come Monday and the judge could tell him and his lawyers --- vlyons Aug 2023 #28
I'm sure he'll comply now Artcatt Aug 2023 #35
The motion isn't, technically, related to Trump's outburst. Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #54
This protective order is NOT a gag order LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #12
Yes, it's like the giant white balloon with no transmitters again...not enough evidence Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #18
He was apparently ordered to do it earlier, Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #56
Reportage on legal issues is usually pretty lame LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #13
The poor legal reportage makes for even poorer conclusions, as we see here on this routine Motion. Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #19
nope--these are very important befause of the importance of this case Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #25
you seem invested in minimizing this Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #24
Some people seem invested in not understanding it. Ocelot II Aug 2023 #44
By Monday the folks not understanding criminal procedure will move on to not understanding Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #64
If it was just MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #29
i thought i read somewhere that smith did submit a motion along this line orleans Aug 2023 #33
Instead of jail for violating the terms of Trump's release, wnylib Aug 2023 #43
Criminal procedure is a half credit course of 20 credits required. Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #65
Whatever. wnylib Aug 2023 #66
She ain't playing around, folks. grumpyduck Aug 2023 #8
I find this all very satisfying... Blue Owl Aug 2023 #9
The treatment he really deserves is jail time pending trial. Marius25 Aug 2023 #16
+100 Duppers Aug 2023 #31
Prosecutors ask judge to issue protective order after Trump post appearing to promise revenge LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #10
The motion for the protective order would have been made even if TFG hadn't posted Ocelot II Aug 2023 #14
Sure, but now they know its contours have changed for the humans involved, ancianita Aug 2023 #30
Media needs to put this in context. The "Go after me and I'll come after you" post followed allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #15
THIS malaise Aug 2023 #17
I found this and it looks to be accurate. (I don't go there) usonian Aug 2023 #20
Thanks for finding that. Was wrong -- four prosecutors, not five, as I said. nt allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #21
Just to verify, it was on meidastouch. usonian Aug 2023 #32
What a stupid meme ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #58
Nobody MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #22
It's always as Michael Cohen stated; always in coded language. I didn't really mean that...... Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #41
Except, that by being so broad, wnylib Aug 2023 #45
I sure hope so. He is a dangerous mob boss. Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #48
Interesting take. I have limited experience in the legal arena at this level. Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #69
I have none, so don't take my word as, um, law. wnylib Aug 2023 #70
gotcha! I have been in multiple legal proceedings and still don't know all gyrations! Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #71
Very true. Much of his actions are like that too. One must have a broken Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2023 #51
He has had 50 plus years to learn from Fred and Roy Cohn. The mind was broken at adolescence. n/t Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #68
Kickety! Hekate Aug 2023 #11
YES!!! no screwing around, assholes Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #23
TFG's attorneys just filed a motion asking for three more days to respond to protective order LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #26
Eff them malaise Aug 2023 #38
If the threat is aimed at the prosecutors of these cases, not the Koch organization or his allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #47
In judiciary time, that's lightning speed. ancianita Aug 2023 #27
It may be part of the regular process EndlessWire Aug 2023 #34
Thanks malaise Aug 2023 #36
Incarceration would make him into martyr and wnylib Aug 2023 #46
The only time an appellate court would rule ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #60
Good. Then I still like the idea of wnylib Aug 2023 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Chicago1980 Aug 2023 #37
Didn't the judge give donald a direct order ? republianmushroom Aug 2023 #39
Gag order next? Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #40
So what happens when the DOJ shares their evidence with Trump's lawyers and he then posts Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #42
Jack Smith has filed a motion asking the Judge to reject the proposed three day delay LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #49
Good malaise Aug 2023 #50
The govt files motion opposing Trump's request to delay briefing LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #52
"Government counsel is available at any time--evenings, weekends, or holidays." LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #57
Chutkan's grandfather, Frank Hill, was one of the founders of the Jamaican PNP (Manley's party) Celerity Aug 2023 #61
and one of the Four Hs (all foundation members) malaise Aug 2023 #63
Yes Norman. Probably my most admired Jamaican politician. No Norman, no Michael (politically and Celerity Aug 2023 #72
My good friend Ewart Walters (who died last week) wrote a good book called We Come from Jamaica malaise Aug 2023 #73
So sorry for the lose of your friend sis. Celerity Aug 2023 #77
Ah sis malaise Aug 2023 #80
The judge denied TFG's motion for additional time regarding protective order LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #67
This judge is not going to take any crap from TFG LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #76

Response to malaise (Original post)

Ms. Toad

(34,119 posts)
53. Apparently the redline modifications were ordered earlier
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:34 PM
Aug 2023

and rather than redline the proposed order, Trump's team created an entirely new one. Which, along with Trump's threat, seems to have triggered the Friday motion.

It's a nasty trick which I've been subjected to. There are tools that are reasonably good at producing redlines, provide there aren't too many changes. But they can easily go haywire and just cross out massive sections of text and replace the with massive sections of new text - even when only a few changes have been made.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,762 posts)
55. I remember doing redlines manually
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:38 PM
Aug 2023

There were a couple of firms that my old firm did not trust on redlining.

I like redlining and will often do my own redlines on documents just to be safe. My firm's litigators and family law lawyers use a form of redlining that only shows up when you print the document. I like the form of redlining used by corporate types

Ms. Toad

(34,119 posts)
59. I am retired now -
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:51 PM
Aug 2023

but redlining has come a long way.

I don't trust redlining I get from opposing counsel, and always ran my own. It used to be pretty hard to get a decent redline without manually creating one, but compare drafts does a decent job recently. Although it doesn't handle moves well - so moving just a sentence or two can throw the redline into a tizzy.

The funniest changes (not specifically redlining) came when on of our administrative assistants (which I kept getting pushed to use) had to alter a form for me. She apparently couldn't figure out how to do it, so she changed the font to white . . . which kept printing in the .pdf as black. I'd send it back to change. She'd insist she changed it. She'd do something with it again. I'd reprint it - the offending text was still there. I finally figured out what she had done, showed my bosses (as well as my time that would be charged to the client - or eaten by them - as a result of me using the administrative staff). I think that mostly ended the push for me to use administrative assistants. My time was about triple on that document simply because the administrative assistant didn't know what she was doing.

Almost as bad as the ones who learned on typewriters and hit enter at the end of each line . . .

(I am from the era when I learned touch typing in 7th grade, and type nearly as quickly as any administrative aid - and also have extensive experience with running and writing software. So using an administrative assistant was almost always a time drain for me.)

Ocelot II

(115,930 posts)
5. The protective order request was pro forma and was already in the works
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:12 PM
Aug 2023

even before TFG indulged in another fit of stochastic terrorism on his fake Xitter account. Its purpose is to make sure that certain of the discovery materials the prosecutors are about to turn over to TFG and his lawyers are not released to the public, since they would include, among other things, the names and statements of witnesses. TFG's latest threat was included at the last minute - since he did it only hours before the protective order motion was filed - to emphasize the seriousness of the request and the possibility of witness intimidation that TFG's post suggests. The motion does not include a request that the court order sanctions or change the terms of TFG's release (the judge could do that on her own), since that would require additional briefing and an argument as to why the post constitutes a violation of the magistrate's warning, and what should be done about it. That could come later, of course, especially if he does it again; and TFG's lawyers are required to respond to the prosecution's motion. For now, though, unless the judge decides to do it on her own, TFG is not going to be dragged to jail like people keep saying. It doesn't work that way.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
28. However, come Monday and the judge could tell him and his lawyers ---
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:31 PM
Aug 2023

what the consequences would be should he do it again. That means he would get 1 last warning. I think that's what will happen -- a one and only 2nd chance to comply.

How humiliating for a woman to have power over him. His rage must be enormous. Maybe he'll stroke out.

Ms. Toad

(34,119 posts)
54. The motion isn't, technically, related to Trump's outburst.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:38 PM
Aug 2023

Smith just included it to (1) make the court aware of it and (2) heighten the need to get a protective order in place sooner, rather than later.

The proposed protective order, itself, doesn't address his implied threat. It is solely about protecting the discovery disclosures.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,762 posts)
12. This protective order is NOT a gag order
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:30 PM
Aug 2023

As you noted this was part of the process. As a corporate lawyer, I was amused that TFG has to provide a redline showing any changes that TFG's attorneys want in the DOJ proposed protective order. That redline will be amusing.

For non-lawyers, redline is a means on showing changes in documents. I remember redlining documents manually and the software for showing changes between drafts of documents really helps.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
18. Yes, it's like the giant white balloon with no transmitters again...not enough evidence
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:47 PM
Aug 2023

for the conclusion, but when was that a problem?

When the evidence is governed by the rules of law, not the internet.

Ms. Toad

(34,119 posts)
56. He was apparently ordered to do it earlier,
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:39 PM
Aug 2023

and chose not to. (That's in Smith's response to Trump's motion.)

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
25. nope--these are very important befause of the importance of this case
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:21 PM
Aug 2023

and the way Trump preciously used social media to threaten, scold, to try manipulating outcomes.

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
24. you seem invested in minimizing this
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:19 PM
Aug 2023

the fact is they amended the previous pro forma request with recent example Trump just posted.

And the judge uses the weekend to issue her order that defense respond by 5pm Monday.

Very satisfying they are signaling a desire for speed without rushing whole also opening salvos to straightjacket Trump from trying to poison/threaten jury or other court officials.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
64. By Monday the folks not understanding criminal procedure will move on to not understanding
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 05:27 PM
Aug 2023

something else legal.

MorbidButterflyTat

(1,876 posts)
29. If it was just
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:33 PM
Aug 2023

a routine protective order, why wasn't it submitted when Slobby was arraigned just days ago?

orleans

(34,088 posts)
33. i thought i read somewhere that smith did submit a motion along this line
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:47 PM
Aug 2023

and trump team said no to some or all of what it contained, so this is smith's round 2 motion and because of when it was filed (10 pm friday) he included trump's douchebag post in it that had come out a few hours before.

wnylib

(21,724 posts)
43. Instead of jail for violating the terms of Trump's release,
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 02:53 PM
Aug 2023

could the judge order an amount of cash or equal property value as bail to ensure that he abides by the terms of remaining free? Then if he violates it, he forfeits the cash or property?

Blue Owl

(50,541 posts)
9. I find this all very satisfying...
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:25 PM
Aug 2023

Mr. tRump is finally getting the treatment he so richly deserves....

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
16. The treatment he really deserves is jail time pending trial.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:35 PM
Aug 2023

Let's hope that happens, but not holding my breath.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,762 posts)
10. Prosecutors ask judge to issue protective order after Trump post appearing to promise revenge
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:26 PM
Aug 2023

Here is a story from AP



https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-capitol-riot-indictment-protective-order-71cd642e876c47fff4e1283c15f8ca01

The Justice Department has asked a federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former President Donald Trump in Washington to step in after he released a post online that appeared to promise revenge on anyone who goes after him.

Prosecutors on Friday requested that U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan issue a protective order concerning evidence in the case, a day after Trump pleaded not guilty to charges of trying to overturn his 2020 election loss and block the peaceful transition of power. The order, different from a “gag order,” would limit what information Trump and his legal team could share publicly about the case brought by special counsel Jack Smith.

Chutkan on Saturday gave Trump’s legal team until 5 p.m. Monday to respond to the government’s request.

Such protective orders are common in criminal cases, but prosecutors said it’s “particularly important in this case” because Trump has posted on social media about “witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him.”

Ocelot II

(115,930 posts)
14. The motion for the protective order would have been made even if TFG hadn't posted
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:34 PM
Aug 2023

his threat on fake Xitter - it would already have been in the works before that, and wasn't in response to it. However, it certainly makes Smith's argument even stronger, and I'll be very interested in seeing how TFG's lawyers respond and if they even mention the fake Xitter post.

ancianita

(36,192 posts)
30. Sure, but now they know its contours have changed for the humans involved,
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:34 PM
Aug 2023

not just the usual discovery process. Whether or not they even mention it, the judge is aware.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
15. Media needs to put this in context. The "Go after me and I'll come after you" post followed
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:35 PM
Aug 2023

by 10 minutes his (or someone on his staff) post showing photos of Biden and the five prosecutors. Out of context his threat could be interpreted to refer to anything he wants it to mean at that moment.

usonian

(9,928 posts)
20. I found this and it looks to be accurate. (I don't go there)
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 12:55 PM
Aug 2023

Together, all the context you need.
No bullshit deflection.

usonian

(9,928 posts)
32. Just to verify, it was on meidastouch.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:42 PM
Aug 2023
https://www.meidastouch.com/news/did-trump-already-violate-the-terms-of-his-release

In under 24 hours, it appears that Donald Trump may have violated the terms of his release, following his arrest and arraignment at Prettyman Courthouse in Washington, D.C.

In back-to-back posts on his social media network, the disgraced, thrice indicted ex-president threatened prosecutors, witnesses, future jurors and anyone who dare to go against him.

In a post made Friday at 3:35pm ET, Trump published an ominous attack ad dubbing Fulton County DA Fani Willis, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, New York AG Letitia James, and Special Counsel Jack Smith "unscrupulous accomplices" of President Biden. The ad finishes by labeling the prosecutors and the president "the fraud squad."

Roughly 40 minutes later, Trump warned in all caps, "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!"


The image URL fails on DU, so I copied it and re-uploaded it.

DDG found the images with a search on "fraud squad" trump social threat thread

(DDG -- DuckDuckGo is basically Bing)
 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
58. What a stupid meme
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:46 PM
Aug 2023

I mean, really, when y'all see a telly guide for a show called "Criminal Minds," do you think of the criminals...or the FBI agents going after them?

Same thing here. The meme can easily be interpreted as referencing the people going after fraudsters, not that they are frauds.

Only a very stupid person would think that makes Biden and etc look bad.

wnylib

(21,724 posts)
45. Except, that by being so broad,
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 03:15 PM
Aug 2023

the prosecution and judge can make the point that it applies to everyone, and that would include prosecutors, witnesses, and jury members. .

The vagueness works against the orange mobster this time.

wnylib

(21,724 posts)
70. I have none, so don't take my word as, um, law.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:12 PM
Aug 2023

I am just basing my comment on the English language and how it could be logically interpreted by the court.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
51. Very true. Much of his actions are like that too. One must have a broken
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:26 PM
Aug 2023

mind to make sure they don't say or do anything that has an unimpeachable singular meaning. He automatically has his tandem "cover" story ready too.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,762 posts)
26. TFG's attorneys just filed a motion asking for three more days to respond to protective order
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:31 PM
Aug 2023

TFG is going to delay this case as long as possible


allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
47. If the threat is aimed at the prosecutors of these cases, not the Koch organization or his
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 03:28 PM
Aug 2023

Repug field of opponents, the prosecutors could be in peril. (Know they have security, but so did JFK.)

EndlessWire

(6,573 posts)
34. It may be part of the regular process
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 01:50 PM
Aug 2023

but it's pretty nifty how it got revised in a heartbeat to include Trump's latest threat against the Court. The swiftness of the motions and orders is satisfying. Trump's attorneys must have a real headache, thinking up excuses for his vile anger.

I doubt that these Judges will be swayed by the phony excuse he now offers. At any rate, here is an admission that it was a threat. He's just trying to steer it into a dead end that he thinks will fly.

Trump makes it easy for Jack: Judge, this is what we need, and oh by the way, look at his contempt of Court! LOL, I keep wondering which DU member won the guesstimate for how long it would take Trump to run his mouth.

Judge has given herself until Tuesday to decide what to do. She might have to do this as a matter of course, but I'll bet that she is more interested to hear whatabout the threatening post than anything else. The Magistrate took extreme care to instruct Trump not to do this, and basically instructed him that if he did it, he would be subject to whatever punishment Chutkan thinks is appropriate, up to and including pretrial incarceration.

Of course that is what we want to see! Of course it is! Not ashamed to say it, and it seems fair and appropriate. This is contempt of Court. If he gets away with it, he'll do it again. How arrogant of him. She should order him into custody (have the SS surrender him by Wednesday) and then let the attorneys argue in open Court about why they think it is not contempt.

At the very least, she should put him in lockup for the length of the argument. Or, several hours. She could take it under advisement, have a long lunch, and let him go before 5 p.m. That would be enough of a warning. Bring him back in and tell him AGAIN not to threaten the Court, the Prosecutors, the Jury, the Witnesses, or anyone else that he wants to claim was the subject of his tirades.

Trump deserves to be in the cooler.



wnylib

(21,724 posts)
46. Incarceration would make him into martyr and
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 03:25 PM
Aug 2023

give him more delaying tactics by appealing the incarceration to higher courts for violation of his right to travel during a campaign. Regardless of how baseless the claim for appeal, we know that he would do that.

Instead, I think that the judge should set new terms for his release that require him to put up cash or property as bail to forfeit if he violates the terms of his release.

He'd still fight any forfeiture when (not if) he violates the terms, but it would reduce the martyrdom image and give him the risk of monetary loss if he violates the terms of release and loses an appeal over forfeiting his bail.



 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
60. The only time an appellate court would rule
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:53 PM
Aug 2023

In favor a defendant in a contempt of court case was if the judge demonstrated extremely prejudicial behavior--things like calling him a criminal, or insulting him with slurs, or subjecting him to an unnecessarily cruel or unusual punishment.

If she simply holds him to the word he made, then she's free and clear.

So he can appeal as much and as often as he wants, but that doesn't mean the appeals court will indulge him iif the judge renders the contempt decision in a professional manner, and well within the scope of the law.

And she will.

wnylib

(21,724 posts)
62. Good. Then I still like the idea of
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 05:15 PM
Aug 2023

Last edited Sat Aug 5, 2023, 05:51 PM - Edit history (1)

having Trump post cash or property bail as assurance that he will not violate the terms of his release again.

If he is imprisoned, it will not only feed into his martyrdom for his fans, but it will also risk violent outbreaks from them. They will be less likely to get violent over him losing money than being incarcerated.

Response to malaise (Original post)

republianmushroom

(13,785 posts)
39. Didn't the judge give donald a direct order ?
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 02:08 PM
Aug 2023

Is this going to be the last warning, or will it come after the next time, for the last order ?
30 months and counting

Lonestarblue

(10,130 posts)
42. So what happens when the DOJ shares their evidence with Trump's lawyers and he then posts
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 02:41 PM
Aug 2023

Grand Jury testimony on Truth social with lies about its accuracy? We all know he can’t keep his mouth shut. I can just see him going off on Pence for testifying about his determination that Pence should break the law and refuse the legitimate slates of electors. Are there consequences, such as a true gag order or taking away his electronic devices and his right to post on social media? If that happened, he would just get someone else to post his threats for him.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,762 posts)
49. Jack Smith has filed a motion asking the Judge to reject the proposed three day delay
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 04:06 PM
Aug 2023

Jack Smith rejects the need for delay



Here is a link to the latest motion filed by Jack Smith
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.12.0_1.pdf

The defendant’s extension motion proposes unnecessary delay to normal order. The
defendant suggests that the delay “will enable Defendant to fully assess the Proposed Order and
advise the Court of applicable law.” ECF No. 11 at 1. Nothing prevents defense counsel from
doing just that on the schedule already ordered by the Court. To the extent defense counsel wants
to confer further, Government counsel is available at any time—evenings, weekends, or holidays.
And if the Court enters the proposed protective order and the defendant later is dissatisfied, the
defendant can seek to modify the order at any time.

Celerity

(43,655 posts)
61. Chutkan's grandfather, Frank Hill, was one of the founders of the Jamaican PNP (Manley's party)
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 05:01 PM
Aug 2023

Jean Barnes, her aunt, is the mother of former Liverpool and England footballer, John Barnes.

Infamous picture:

Liverpool's John Barnes backheels a banana that was thrown onto the pitch, accompanied with monkey noise chants, during a game at Everton in 1988



malaise

(269,248 posts)
63. and one of the Four Hs (all foundation members)
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 05:25 PM
Aug 2023

Remember though that Manley is this case is Norman (Michael's father). Her dad was a medical doctor(orthopedics) and her mom was one of the star dancers with the NDTC. Her dad was Indo-Jamaican and her mom Afro-Jamaican.

And yes the racists are everywhere

Celerity

(43,655 posts)
72. Yes Norman. Probably my most admired Jamaican politician. No Norman, no Michael (politically and
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:47 PM
Aug 2023

literally, lol).

malaise

(269,248 posts)
73. My good friend Ewart Walters (who died last week) wrote a good book called We Come from Jamaica
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:52 PM
Aug 2023

Easy reading with a great Chapter on Jamaica Welfare, one of Norman’s great programmes.

Celerity

(43,655 posts)
77. So sorry for the lose of your friend sis.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:10 PM
Aug 2023


Walters’ new book tells the Jamaican story

https://www.ronfanfair.com/home/2017/1/15/walters-new-book-tells-the-jamaican-story



Calling it a masterpiece and significant literary and historical body of work that all Jamaicans should be proud of, University of Toronto professor emeritus Dr. Keith Ellis hopes that Ottawa resident Ewart Walters’ new book, We Come from Jamaica: The National Movement 1937-1962, will be published in Spanish. The renowned scholar, translator and Latin American literature critic is confident the book will appeal to the public in Spanish-speaking countries, particularly Cuba and Venezuela who, he said, relish books and are voracious readers.

“This is the book of an outstanding essayist,” said Ellis who was the first Jamaican-born scholar to be awarded an honourary doctorate by the University of Havana and the first Black to be elected a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada which is the highest honour a scholar can receive in the arts, humanities and science. “There is the literary art that he’s aware of and that he has practiced to perfection in the book. It’s that literary art that draws readers to the content.

“We also find him zooming in an out and capturing the ubiquitous and constant movement, the vibrancy of the country and the people he portrays. He has found this fitting technique which is itself a symbol because of what comes through as his real motivation for writing this book and that is his enduring respect, his love and wanting the best for the Jamaican people.” The publication charts the course of the national movement, a period and group of people who were instrumental in propelling Jamaica out of slavery and ‘apprenticeship’ to nationhood and independence. The Toronto book launch took place last week.

“This was a period when people were really serious about taking on the task of doing for themselves what the colonial masters didn’t do, didn’t allow us to do or didn’t give us an opportunity to do,” said Ellis who graduated from Calabar High School and taught Spanish and History for three years before migrating to Canada and lecturing in Latin American Literature and Culture at the U of T for 37 years. “It was a very challenging era and it was good to see Jamaicans in one way or another taking up the challenge.”

Writing is an obsession for Walters. After spending a year with The Public Opinion that folded in 1962, the Jamaica Gleaner and the Jamaica Daily News with which he worked from its inception in 1973 to 1976 (the publication ceased in 1983), Walters started The Spectrum monthly newspaper in August 1984 after leaving the Jamaica Foreign Service, having served five years as counsellor in Ottawa and a year as consul in New York.

snip

malaise

(269,248 posts)
80. Ah sis
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:17 PM
Aug 2023

When they came home we always got together for a meal. Lovely peeps he and wifey. Was buried yesterday. He loved his cricket and was a good player.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,762 posts)
67. The judge denied TFG's motion for additional time regarding protective order
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:23 PM
Aug 2023

This judge is NOT going to let TFG delay this trial


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