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Wow! Look at all of the blue inside of the red on this map: (Original Post) patrice Nov 2012 OP
I read the story. Where is link to clickable map? Thanks! CurtEastPoint Nov 2012 #1
Look way at the end of the column, in blue print. femmocrat Nov 2012 #3
At the very end of the article is the link. Indpndnt Nov 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author ffr Nov 2012 #9
Links ffr Nov 2012 #10
Very cool. femmocrat Nov 2012 #2
Hmmm.... missann Nov 2012 #4
I noticed that too, since I live in the state fujiyama Nov 2012 #5
I think some more liberals need to move to Western and Upstate NY Liberalynn Nov 2012 #7
Working on it! Scruffy Rumbler Nov 2012 #16
Great News Liberalynn Nov 2012 #32
My county's blue, baby! Barack_America Nov 2012 #8
My county isn't as bad as I thought. In fact we and a few others in Kansas are real blue! patrice Nov 2012 #11
Did you notice all of the big fat DEEP blue stuff in Texas? patrice Nov 2012 #12
THANK YOU Skittles Nov 2012 #17
That took me by surprise too. underseasurveyor Nov 2012 #19
How blue is my valley? kentauros Nov 2012 #20
Tragically we lost the critical Kenedy County vote Rstrstx Nov 2012 #26
When I lived in Houston, Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #13
Patrice this is uplifting! sheshe2 Nov 2012 #14
Woo! CoboWowbo Nov 2012 #15
I love the west coast! Quantess Nov 2012 #18
I've heard it called the urban archipelago. ancianita Nov 2012 #21
This map supports the claims by some southern DUERs, that a lot of the South is bluestate10 Nov 2012 #22
A fairly significant ribbon of blue OkieGranny Nov 2012 #23
I would love to try to expand on the southern blue regions while keeping Florida and Virginia bluestate10 Nov 2012 #24
Why those counties are contiguous, thus making a ribbon. Jim Lane Nov 2012 #28
Cool! kentauros Nov 2012 #29
It's not a fact if you assume that the Earth is 6,000 years old. Jim Lane Nov 2012 #31
And look at where the swath of Eastern Red is... marions ghost Nov 2012 #33
Thank you for this explanation! emmadoggy Nov 2012 #36
The South is turning Blue! Up2Late Nov 2012 #25
That's a RW site: ProSense Nov 2012 #27
This site isn't: kentauros Nov 2012 #30
well heaven05 Nov 2012 #34
Is this a case of civilized = blue, not so much = red? mwooldri Nov 2012 #35
I grew up in a rural area. OnionPatch Nov 2012 #40
Very little blue in Georgia, RebelOne Nov 2012 #37
Tarrant County and Dallas County in TX BlueCollar Nov 2012 #38
Great map, thanks. toby jo Nov 2012 #41
This is the reality marions ghost Nov 2012 #42
blue, red, purple ...whatever - Get out and party for your country, Happy Holidays, all colors of... patrice Nov 2012 #43

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
3. Look way at the end of the column, in blue print.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:11 PM
Nov 2012

I tried posting the link, but another copy of the same map came up!

I think it says "Howard's website here." Click on that.


Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
6. At the very end of the article is the link.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:16 PM
Nov 2012

Click on where it says, "The map can also be found on Howard's website here."

Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #1)

ffr

(22,670 posts)
10. Links
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:35 PM
Nov 2012
TheFJP.org
Large Map at saltwaterwitch.com URL==> saltwaterwitch.com/img/WhatAmericaLooksLike-2012Election-ChrisHoward.jpg
TRMS (MSNBC) story

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
2. Very cool.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:09 PM
Nov 2012

It's like President Obama says, "there is no red America or blue America.....". Maybe he had this map in mind.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
5. I noticed that too, since I live in the state
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:15 PM
Nov 2012

It's a lot less red on the map than one might imagine.

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
7. I think some more liberals need to move to Western and Upstate NY
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:17 PM
Nov 2012

so we can turn the whole state all pretty, pretty royal blue my favorite color. The snow isn't all that bad. Plus we your fellow Democrats get so frustrated and lonely being surrounded by so many rednecks.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
20. How blue is my valley?
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:41 AM
Nov 2012

No, I don't live there, but I love seeing the Rio Grande Valley so blue! And every county with a major Texas city (save for Corpus) is deep blue

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
26. Tragically we lost the critical Kenedy County vote
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:14 AM
Nov 2012

Romney whipped Obama 83 to 82, with 1 vote for Johnson. Really I had no idea cows could vote.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
39. When I lived in Houston,
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:18 PM
Nov 2012

no one would believe me when I said that it was a very progressive city. Texas has a reputation based on the rural rednecks.

Response to patrice (Original post)

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
14. Patrice this is uplifting!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:10 AM
Nov 2012

Best news I have seen here all night.
Thank you for posting!
Let's keep moving to purple and blue!

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
22. This map supports the claims by some southern DUERs, that a lot of the South is
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:47 AM
Nov 2012

winnable for us if we put in an effort there. I would like to see our next Presidential candidate go to North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Louisiana and Arkansas and expand the swath of blue in those states. Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado and Arizona should be part of a western swing that includes California, Oregon and Washington. We should not automatically concede any of the mentioned states, while protecting our core of reliably blue New England, Mid-Atlantic and Midwestern states. If our side works hard, we can go into every election with a base of at least 300 electoral votes.

OkieGranny

(73 posts)
23. A fairly significant ribbon of blue
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:53 AM
Nov 2012

stretching through the southern states, from Mississippi all the way east and up into Virginia. Interesting that it's there. Interesting how contiguous it is.

I wonder what Dean's 50-state strategy + lessons learned from the Obama campaign machine could do to build on that.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
24. I would love to try to expand on the southern blue regions while keeping Florida and Virginia
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:59 AM
Nov 2012

in our column. The surprising thing is that it looks like Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are winnable if we develop strong organizations in them and develop good databases on our voters and those that we can bring over to vote for us. There is a lot more potential in the South than I would have thought based upon just looking at which states went blue and red in the election.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
28. Why those counties are contiguous, thus making a ribbon.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:40 AM
Nov 2012

It's because they're roughly tracking where the coastline was during the Cretaceous Period, about 100 million years ago. The shallow waters just offshore were hospitable to the growth of plankton. The abundant plankton, after dying, created a rich soil. During the slavery era, cotton plantations along the former coastline could grow more cotton and thus had more slaves to deal with the crop. After emancipation, they and then many of their descendants remained. Today, the population of those counties includes a higher percentage of blacks than are in the state as a whole -- some are majority-black. Thus, those formerly coastal areas, now well inland, are where Democratic presidential candidates do best.

This was pointed out several months ago, by a scientist using the 2008 election data. See "How presidential elections are impacted by a 100 million year old coastline" by Craig McClain, the Assistant Director of Science for the National Evolutionary Synthesis Center. Not surprisingly, the 2012 results again reflected the ancient coastline.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
31. It's not a fact if you assume that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:02 AM
Nov 2012

Not only would the Republicans be losing because of this fact, but many of them would be in denial about it -- which is also typical.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
33. And look at where the swath of Eastern Red is...
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:22 AM
Nov 2012

from western New York state down into upper Mississippi -- what is common to that whole area?

Answer: Appalachia--historically poor, white and undereducated. (Now bonding through Fux/Rush & religion as never before).

By this map Mississippi is trending blue!

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So yes the ribbon of blue counties follow the agricultural areas of the past and have higher black populations. But also in these states you have the blue urban nodes.

Democrats would be crazy to write off these states in any way. To the contrary more effort needs to be poured in. Southern states will be battlegrounds for the foreseeable future.

Up2Late

(17,797 posts)
25. The South is turning Blue!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:04 AM
Nov 2012

Slowly, except where I live.

And look how Blue Santa Barbara Co. is getting!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
27. That's a RW site:
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:18 AM
Nov 2012
White Evangelical Asks Black Evangelicals Why They Re-Elected Obama

In an open letter to black evangelicals, Michael Brown candidly asks whether they compromised their beliefs by voting for the re-election of President Barack Obama.

"Are you guilty, on any level, of blind allegiance to the Democratic party? And, on Election Day, did any of you compromise your convictions out of racial solidarity?" the radio show host and author of A Queer Thing Happened to America wrote Tuesday on Townhall.com.

<...>

http://www.christianpost.com/news/white-evangelical-asks-black-evangelicals-why-they-re-elected-obama-84897/


kentauros

(29,414 posts)
30. This site isn't:
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:35 AM
Nov 2012
http://tumblr.thefjp.org/post/35708791930/mapping-2012-election-votes

And I would suspect that "Mark Newman (Department of Physics and Center for the Study of Complex Systems, University of Michigan)" isn't, either
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
34. well
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:49 PM
Nov 2012

most, a lot, a majority are sexist, racist, homophobic and just downright narrow minded. I've been in white evangelical churches and after having to move around in hopes of finding open mindedness, I gave up. Amerikkkan christianity is just not inclusive enough to help people with their faith issues. Clannish to the racial extreme and not very loving.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
40. I grew up in a rural area.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:03 PM
Nov 2012

Not in the south, in the Midwest. Still, I've come to the conclusion that they vote the way they do because they aren't exposed to different races and cultures as much as the rest of us. The "other" is scary to them because they're unknown. That and the fact that am radio is filled with radical rightwingers. Rural folks spent a lot of time in their trucks.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
41. Great map, thanks.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:07 AM
Nov 2012

Red/blue is an information issue. We need to get it out. Teach - papers, events, tech schools (not many universities in red areas),
churches.

Hope when the world doesn't end next month some more may wake up.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
43. blue, red, purple ...whatever - Get out and party for your country, Happy Holidays, all colors of...
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:41 PM
Nov 2012

the human family!

p~

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