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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThey've started it - "Obama taking Third Term!"
Here, the R's have started that Obama is taking a third term. It was discussed on the local R radio this morning. He has a secret economic force he's using. And a warning, that Obama is using this force and taking our liberties away by a tyrant, Obama. Sounds like a pitch for an investment company - how to avoid Obama ... etc. Obama is going to partner with dictators. And Obama will even take a 4th term. I bet Rove and the Koch brothers are partnering on this one.
http://pro.stansberryresearch.com/1210THIRDLIA/OPSINB07/
It never stops, does it, only the R's can save the universe. The GOP is such a dreadful party. Now, I bet a lot of poor RW republicans hear this and believe it hook line and sinker.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)I'm in the wrong business.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Or need drugs.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)back in 2007 who swore up and down that Bush was going to declare Martial Law and cancel the elections and declare himself president for life, they were just as nutty as these idiots saying that Obama is going to go for a third term.
There's nuts on both sides.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Not necessarily legal ones though.
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)Love this one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251248721
dchill
(38,497 posts)And they're seeing Obama as a potential Roosevelt!
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Corporate and Investment Welfare is being called out ... that cheating on taxes, moving money offshore and expecting benefits paid by others is where the real "welfare" queens are at ... Romney and his ilk.
dchill
(38,497 posts)Ann Romney = Welfare Queen!
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)money off shore, destroy companies and peoples' lives, offshore jobs/corporations ... and they claim they are ever so American and for all of the people, well, for a few percent. They are so full of BS I can smell it from here.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)It happened with Bush's 2nd re-election and Clinton's 2nd re-election
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)The Twenty-second Amendment of the United States Constitution sets a term limit for election to the office of President of the United States. The Congress passed the amendment on March 21, 1947. It was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 27, 1951.
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)will disregard the Constitution and run anyway.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)The argument is that "Obama doesn't care about the Constitution anyways, he's already broken the Constitution, so nothing is stopping him from being dictator."
Oh, the insanity.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Obama, sounds good to me. It well might take that long for Obama to clean up the mess left by Reagan and Bush Jr. Reaganomics left a horrible stain on America.
dchill
(38,497 posts)calico1
(8,391 posts)Obama plans to rule for life!
Shhh...don't tell them.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)"Ruler of The Universe, ad Infinitum!" ... hmmm. sounds like an old scifi movie.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)Does this end with Obama declaring himself Supreme God-Emperor of the Galaxy?
Seriously, these guys are huffing some strong paint thinner.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Opps, sorry didn't mean to say that out loud.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)two elections, why not three? I see the logic.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)he will be able to do that once he takes away their guns and jettisons the red states.
They have really jumped the shark this time!
trof
(54,256 posts)His name is a joke among knowledgeable investors.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)snake oil salesman, as he wove into his spew how he had helped others avoid catastrophes to their portfolios (like Obama).
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)George1912
(1 post)It appears that at least one liberal is calling for a third term. I assume they think amendments to the constitution can be circumvented. See this on the Huff Post from two days ago
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sreedhar-pillai/six-reasons-why-barack-ob_b_2120687.html
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Is there no end to his Evil Obamanoid Perfidy!
dchill
(38,497 posts)These stew-brains don't know what perfidy is!
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Now, Obama can't be a mind controlling super-brain and the dumbest person on earth at the same time. But Obama is in the fucked up brains of teabaggers.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Mariana
(14,857 posts)there wouldn't be a 2012 election, because Obama would have made himself into a full-blown dictator by then? I can't believe how fucking gullible the teabaggers are.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)hlthe2b
(102,282 posts)Along with the secession petitions, robocalls for impeachment and drumming up any and all incidents into some kind of
'gate" scandal, who is surprised? Honestlly, I wish we could expel some of these who are so damned determined to undermine this country.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)term. Are the purposely ignorant?
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)around that anymore.
BigAnth
(320 posts)We'll just have Michelle run in 2016 to avoid those pesky constitutional requirements.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)Why not? Lol
zappaman
(20,606 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Obama will not have a third term. Though I admit I remember people here worrying that GWB would find a way to take a third term, so I guess it isn't crazier than we sometimes get.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)more weirdness would occur.
librechik
(30,674 posts)and you will count me among them--I doubt if we can change the constitution to allow that, and they are reading Obama completely wrong if they imagine he could or would just "take" it.
they can't stand popular democrats. It's outrageous to them that our kind has so many followers when we are so much lowlier than they are. And we are dirty hippy moochers. Their minds just go WTF? because they are so thoroughly acculturated to hate us.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)urignent
(2 posts)Huff Post had the following article 3 days ago, so isn't it really the D's talking about 3 terms? Don't let the facts interfere with a good argument
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sreedhar-pillai/six-reasons-why-barack-ob_b_2120687.html
bluesbassman
(19,373 posts)What else you got?
urignent
(2 posts)Are you suggesting Sreedhar is an R? The OP suggested that R's started this 3rd term talk today. What else you got?
bluesbassman
(19,373 posts)Stansberry & Associates Investment Research, LLC produced it. It is a blatantly RW piece (and this is the company that "paid" to mass e-mail to Newt Gingrich's database). The OP cited it in reference to a discussion he heard today, but the video was made and posted long before Sreedhar's blog. I made no assertion as to Sreedhar's political affiliation, only a clarification to your inference that he and HuffPo represent a Democrat viewpoint on this issue.
So what exactly is your position on this issue?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)who won't be here very long.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)the dems.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Just saying.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)- Bush has been testing public reaction, especially among opposition, against atrocities committed by his Administration: unlawful seizure, prisoner torture, silencing any form of opposition in the executive branch, violating 1st amendment rights (limiting free speech), violating separation of church and state, violating 4th amendment rights (warrentless wire-taps, domestic spying), plundering of the treasury to divide it among select corporations and the wealthy, the list goes on and on. How has the public reacted to his dictator-like behavior? A few protests, but no serious inquiries or investigations (save one) into his unlawful behavior. The public has been amazingly silent. The two people who have caused him the most political damage: Cindy Sheehan (who survived a terrible swift-boating attempt, but they are still trying) and ironically, Ashcroft and Comey who appointed Patrick Fitzgerald as an independent prosecutor with the power equal to the Attorney General (i.e. he can't be fired).
- Probably the most egregious actions by this administration has been the dismantling of our national defense. This is one of the biggest changes that has slipped under the radar without notice until Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. An administration who appears completely hawkish would seem to want to build the military up to its greatest strengths and be the most daunting, powerful military on the history of the planet. This would seem to be unquestionably true, especially given the attacks on the U.S. on 9/11. However, what has really happened has the dismantling of our defense that will be replaced primarily by Private Military Corporations that Bush can control. Don't believe it? Here are some facts:
* The Reserve Forces ARE DEPLETED. We have no reservists remaining to fight wars with. This number was exhausted in 2004. This is why the military started calling up soldiers (retired, civilians) in the Ready Reserve back in 2004.
* The National Guard in many states ARE DEPLETED. These soldiers who signed up for NATIONAL DEFENSE, have been abused and forced to serve MULTIPLE TOURS in Iraq, a war that has NOTHING TO DO WITH DEFENSE of this nation. This point was made painfully apparent in the Katrina response... the Louisiana N.G. could not handle the response because the majority of them were either over in Iraq, wounded disabled or dead.
* The improper equipping of our troops has caused an unnecessarily LARGE NUMBER OF CASUALTIES, further depleting the capabilities of our troops.
* The Military has been UNABLE TO FULFILL its recruiting needs since 2003.
* Money allocated to our soldiers has been redirected (ILLEGALLY) toward military contractors.
* The severing of the head of our military (firing of generals like General Shinsheki) in order to get a "YES-MAN" mentality going... the military chiefs will no longer question the desired actions of the president, even if it means disaster
* Defense programs like the missile shield, while properly funded, have lacked CRITICAL OVERSIGHT, and so they have wasted BILLIONS of taxpayer money for inadequate defense.
* Mismanagement, and I would say INTENTIONAL mismanagement, of Defense Programs such as FEMA. Astronomical (and unknown) amounts of money flowed into Homeland Security to secure our homeland. FEMA, being part of the new H.S. Department, has shown just how badly that money has been abused. Complete lack of management by CRONIES who are managing VAST AMOUNTS of taxpayer money. Many in the GOP and Administration have talked in the past of dismantling such programs... is it any surprise that they have succeeded while robbing the treasury? This was all laid bare in Katrina. What has been done in response to this?
* The lack of execution to secure our borders and ports, control illegal immigration, protect our Nuclear and Chemical Facilities and to aid in the protection of those cities with highest need is a clear demonstration that Bush wants our national defense to fail so people will no longer trust the ability of our military or defense departments to protect us. The mass cry-out will be to cut spending instead of the proper solution which is removal of the administration and proper oversight. Bush will be one step away from privatizing the military.
- Using Abramoff, he controlled own members of his party who might object to his unlawful behavior and side with the opposition against him to actually block the movement and direction of our government toward a dictatorship. Those who are involved have money and promises of power, be sure. They are tightly controlling the weaker members of their party through money and blackmail. This is now coming to light.
- The Patriot Act 2 will silence opposition completely and finally complete the removal of several fundamental civil rights. If this law is passed, this will be one of the keystones by which Bush becomes dictator.
- The current tracking of personal information by our government, domestic spying and warehousing of communications, financial transactions, purchasing patterns, a clear violation of the 4th Amendment, will be used against those who might appear to HAVE THOUGHTS about speaking out against the administration. Preemptive silencing will occur. Individuals will be made into examples (the M.O. of the Bush administration).
- The use of controllable e-Voting and voter disenfranchisement will ensure that those the Bush administration controls, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY, will obtain the seats to the Congress in 2006, locking in the final steps required to coronate Bush as King.
- The expansion of presidential power has gone unchallenged. Until those he controls are no longer in a position to block serious challenges and impeachment, he will continue to expand his power. To further secure his position, just in case 2006 elections do not go as he plans, he has instilled a Chief Justice and an Associate Justice on the supreme court who will support his claims to expanded executive power.
- The administration continues to use fear as a way to control the public. They make slanderous, libel statements such as "Democrats want to provide therapy to the terrorists", "Democratic criticism is aiding and giving comfort (treason) to the enemy", and finally "Democrat talking points are terrorist messages". They make claims that Democrats in power will lead to a terrorist attack (which is actually a threat by the administration). The administration is the real terrorist organization: by definition, controlling the public through fear IS TERRORISM.
The question has been raised before, that Bush may try to stay president for a third term. Many have dismissed it due to the un-Constitutional aspects of it. But when has that stopped this administration? Is anyone in his own party going to stop him? If you think so, you missed a couple of points above. Bush has a tight leash on the Congress. He is power-crazy, and he's proved that. He is actively expanding the powers of the presidency and he is going unchallenged for doing so. Bush is on record at least 6 times as saying that the U.S. would be much better as a dictatorship (so long as he is the dictator). Does anyone really think Bush would be installing all this power into the executive branch and then let someone else, let alone a Democrat, take control? Hell no, he intends to play for keeps. And so far, he's way ahead of the public, who is still drowsy from 9/11 and won't be able to wake up until it is far too late.
njlibguy_19656mm
(24 posts)What loons they are.
aandegoons
(473 posts)Time to start a petition to remove that amendment.
5 more years .... 5 more years.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Cha
(297,250 posts)the spectrum. That's how they earn their money.. Perpetual Whining about the President.
F***! What if this country just dealt in FACTS? What a world that would be.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)large numbers of people on clearly a large-scale public media one had to deal in FACTS?
That said, I don't know how it would all work, but so often the media in this country is filled with lies and distortions so as to feed their money machine.
I am so fed up with hearing blatant lies and distortions trying to brainwash the country, and while we recognize it as propaganda many will not ... I also think some of these outfits get broadcasting licenses far too easily.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)That would get a few heads to explode.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)to spin their webs of lies, misinformation and deception.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)there were people ON THIS BOARD claiming Bush would establish Marshal Law and TAKE a third term. Quite adamant about it, iirc. The disillusioned are everywhere.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)going to take his regime. ... and how he had a blank check it seemed to do anything he wanted.
I recall wondering when the financial meltdown started if he would declare martial law and somehow stay on as commander and chief (based on his national security he used all of the time) ... because of the financial crisis and the wars he started.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Let's get cracking the whip
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Using vast new powers, I believe Obama will:
Greatly increase the size of the Fed's quantitative easing, leading to massive increases to inflation.
Seize control of the entire 401k retirement system, forcing Americans to buy more of our government's risky debt.
Implement vast new taxes across our economy, as they have already done with the health care program and which they will do next by implementing a national sales tax.
Continue to expand the welfare rolls by record amounts, buying still more votes, more power and setting the stage for a third Obama term (something I'll explain in this letter.)
Reshape our foreign policy, drawing America into partnerships with dictators and socialists around the world.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)spew up as the gospel truth.