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NickB79

(19,309 posts)
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 04:18 PM Oct 2023

The Amazon rainforest has entered a death spiral

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/04/south-american-monsoon-heading-towards-tipping-point-likely-to-cause-amazon-dieback

The South American monsoon, which determines the climate of much of the continent, is being pushed towards a “critical destabilisation point”, according to a study that links regional rainfall to Amazon deforestation and global heating.

The authors of the report said they found their results “shocking” and urged policymakers to act with urgency to forestall a tipping point, which could result in up to 30% less rainfall, a dieback of the forest and a dire impact on food production.


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Human degradation of the Amazon – by land clearance, fire, logging and mining – is pushing that system towards a tipping point, after which drier conditions would be expected to cause an abrupt “regime shift” in the rainforest, which would be unable to sustain itself and transport moisture.

Other biomes in the region would also be affected, along with swathes of agricultural land because the monsoon stretches thousands of miles south from the Amazon to the River Plate (Rio de la Plata) basin. There would also be a climate impact because the Amazon – which would be worst affected – has historically served as an important carbon sink, though another study this week suggests it is now so degraded that it is at best carbon neutral. A dieback of the forest would release enormous amounts of carbon.
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The Amazon rainforest has entered a death spiral (Original Post) NickB79 Oct 2023 OP
Heaven help us GPV Oct 2023 #1
This is a very big deal. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #2
Our planet is dying. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #3
...and we will die with it. roamer65 Oct 2023 #10
Yes exactly, once we are gone, mother nature will get back her pristine and exquisite planet. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #12
Hard to imagine humans entirely dying Calculating Oct 2023 #13
Yes I know. Hard to make humans extinct. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2023 #15
A global emergency with humans facing extinction is not the time to be academically pedantic. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #17
KnR, with grief Hekate Oct 2023 #4
Too many people remain oblivious Bayard Oct 2023 #5
After this past summer and winter, it should be dawning on them that something not good is happening Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #7
Until Delphinus Oct 2023 #9
What about Lulu? flamingdem Oct 2023 #6
Good God. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #8
Humans fucked around... WarGamer Oct 2023 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2023 #16
Another problem is consistency Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #18

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
10. ...and we will die with it.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 07:22 PM
Oct 2023

Mother Nature eventually will rectify the situation, by eliminating the problem.

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
13. Hard to imagine humans entirely dying
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 08:02 PM
Oct 2023

Minus a dinosaur level extinction event. We're too adaptable and too smart, spread over the whole world and all biomes, we could even live underground farming with nuclear power of we wanted to. Granted about 99% of us might die...

Irish_Dem

(48,365 posts)
14. Yes I know. Hard to make humans extinct.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 08:04 PM
Oct 2023

Who knows how many times we blown up the planet and ourselves.
Only to start over again with the remaining 1% ????

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Irish_Dem

(48,365 posts)
17. A global emergency with humans facing extinction is not the time to be academically pedantic.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:23 AM
Oct 2023

In my opinion.

Delphinus

(11,848 posts)
9. Until
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 07:20 PM
Oct 2023

it hits folks up side the head, involves them personally, I don't know if they will ever understand.

flamingdem

(39,342 posts)
6. What about Lulu?
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 05:56 PM
Oct 2023

President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva did some good things. Guessing it's not near enough. BUT better than Bolsonaro!!

Response to NickB79 (Original post)

Johnny2X2X

(19,352 posts)
18. Another problem is consistency
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:41 AM
Oct 2023

Those protecting something have to protect it always, or it's gone. With Brazil, Lula can protect it for his term, but if a Right Winger gets in next, they can destroy too much to recover from in a short time. If I was standing guard protecting a tree, and I took a break, and on my break someone cut that tree down, doesn't matter if I stand guard anymore, the tree is gone forever. Replanting this stuff takes hundreds of years to mature.

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