NO justification for Hamas' terrorists violence and killing

[bigtree]

...no justification for terrorism.

None, never.

To be more clear, the people involved in the attacks in Israel are just murderers deserving no attention at all to whatever cause, manifesto, life history, or vendetta they use to justify their barbarism.

No one should give any mind to the voice, grievance, or screed of these terrorists' violence. They don't represent anything except their own inhumanity.

[Tomconroy]

1. I've run out of fucks to give about the Palestinians.

[roamer65]

3. Including Palestinian children?

You lumped them all together by saying the complete ethnic group.

[Mossfern]

6. Golda:

When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
― Golda Meir, A Land of Our Own: An Oral Autobiography

[ChazII]

7. +1 n/t

[Tomconroy]

8. You beat me to it!

[mcar]

13. Kick

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. +100. nt

[pazzyanne]

19. Amen! nt

[paleotn]

24. Wise words.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

28. Perfect n/t

[orangecrush]

14. Just saw footage

Of these bastards stripping and beating and killing women and children as they were captured and paraded.

Anyone who gives a fuck about children doesn't do this.

So apparently they don't give a fuck about their own children knowing what this would bring

ZERO FUCKS TO GIVE.

[paleotn]

25. Hamas should have though of that.

[ripcord]

31. Don't blame Israel, lame Hamas

For decades people have been saying Israel can't retaliate against Hamas because the hide in the population and it will hurt people not in Hamas. This weekend Hamas showed that as long as they exist children are going to die and some they will torture. Removing Hamas will be like treating cancer, all parts of the body suffer but in the long run it is for the best.

[MicaelS]

4. Me too. nt

[obamanut2012]

5. wtaf

[GuppyGal]

16. Not all Palestinians approve of dis shit ...fucks going out to them

[Magoo48]

18. Just how Europeans felt about natives in the Americas before killing millions of them.

Humanity is further corroded when one population entirely condemns another.

[harumph]

22. Conflating all Palestinians with Hamas is not right or fair.

I'm sure the Palestinians are just giddy thinking about the ramifications of the
Hamas attacks.

[Tomconroy]

23. They should have done Clinton's deal.

[Raine]

2. Totally agree. nt

[LiberaBlueDem]

9. Hamas must be crushed

That Hamas is still there means there is some powerful force protecting Hamas. Using Hamas to create chaos

[BlueCheeseAgain]

10. Thank you.

It's distressing how many people can't say "Murdering innocent people is wrong" without adding a "but... " at the end.

[question everything]

11. Thank you. Whataboutism is celebrated here

[paleotn]

27. Bingo. +1000

[orangecrush]

12. Saw video

Of their treatment of hostages.

Women and children stripped, beaten, and paraded and killed.

Now they all will pay

Not a drop of sympathy for these psychopaths.

[MadMike47]

17. Do the Palestinian people support this kind of criminality?

Or does Hamas represent a small fraction of the Palestinian population? I don't know enough about the situation to know the answer to that question. But I do know that I wouldn't want the world to form an opinion about all Americans based on the actions of MAGA Republicans.

[Tomconroy]

20. I watched maybe 3 interviews with Palestinian Authority

Spokesman this weekend. The guys who speak perfect English. None of them, even when pressed, would condemn, the slaughter of Israeli civilians

[Scully]

21. I was wondering that, too.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations, "more than half of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank would vote for Hamas’s Haniyeh over PA President Mahmoud Abbas in a presidential election" in a poll taken a couple months back. That doesn't bode well for the concept that Hamas doesn't speak for the Palestinian people. On the other hand, if someone looked at our elections and tried to draw conclusions from those who voted Trump/MAGA, well.... I wouldn't like those conclusions, either.

[paleotn]

26. Well, their rhetoric would lead one to believe many of them do.

I guess the examples of Gandhi and MLK are lost on many of them.

[bigtree]

30. more than 2 million people estimated living in Gaza

...more than 1.4 million of the residents of the Gaza Strip are Palestinian refugees according to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA).

UNICEF has estimated that there are roughly 1 million children living in the Gaza Strip, meaning almost half of the people in Gaza are children. Almost 40 percent of the population is under the age of 15, according to the CIA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/09/gaza-strip-israel-hamas-explained/

[paleotn]

32. Yes. So what's your solution?

[bigtree]

33. my point is to your premise about their views

...they are the children of the refugees who were prevented after the Arab War from returning to their homes or claiming their property.

It's curious to me how this 25 mile enclave of refugees which are half underage, over 40% under 15, are represented as having the ability to control what a fraction of the population is perpetrating against Israel.

Most of the population has no means to organize a government, or even a societal structure which had the means to hold terrorists among them accountable.

Wondering about the political affiliations of a virtually powerless population of impoverished refugees, half of them mere children, is an estimation stacked against them from the start which they'll never be able to account for or reconcile in their mostly involuntary existence.

I'm here in the U.S.. It's not my place to tell anyone there what to do. I have no influence, and parrying back and forth about how this person or the other should or might respond is made moot whenever the actual people involved act; not actuated by the back and forth here which I think is mostly unproductive.

I'll just leave this response to helping inform about who you're talking about.

[paleotn]

29. Nothing justifies mass murder. Period. EOM.