President Biden, a grateful nation stands with you.

[ancianita]

[brooklynite]

1. Actually, two of them...

[DemocraticPatriot]

26. That's nice, those in Brooklyn ?

Or around NYC, I presume...

[brooklynite]

28. Tel Aviv.....

[DemocraticPatriot]

32. Ah... ok

[ancianita]

2. Absolutely.

[LoisB]

3. Indeed.

[Greybnk48]

4. 100% support for this moral, kind, smart man!

I knew he would be good, but he has astounded me with his statemanship!

[Rhiannon12866]

5. Joe Biden is the most experienced president in our history.

With 36 years in the Senate and 8 years in the Executive Branch as VP where he was chosen for his foreign policy experience. He is the president we need in these perilous times.

[ancianita]

6. Absolutely.

Wisdom and commitment are priceless. Age is just a number.

[Rhiannon12866]

9. That's true.

Jimmy Carter wrote his amazing autobiography, "A Full Life: Reflections at 90," at age 90. And the closest I had to a grandfather was tough to pin down for his birthday celebration - with relatives from all over the country - because he was also involved with writing a book - at 100.

[sheshe2]

8. Obama was the best of the best for 8 years.

However Biden took up the torch and ran with it, after a 4 year delay. He has surpassed all my expectations. He is the man we need today.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. He sure is, he's got the experience and we're so lucky to have him now.

As Lawrence O'Donnell just said, he knows the players and has for 40 years.

[sheshe2]

14. Lawrence is correct.

[Rhiannon12866]

16. We really couldn't do better right now

And if he needs advice, he won't hesitate to call on former presidents - as current presidents have done for decades.

[DemocraticPatriot]

29. And competent staff..... as opposed to that other guy,

I don't quite remember his name....

[Rhiannon12866]

33. I know who you mean.

That guy had a son-in-law who couldn't qualify for a security clearance and ended up with $2 billion from the Saudis. Oh! And his job in that administration was to work for peace in the Middle East. How did that work out??

[usonian]

7. Others are grateful as well.

[sheshe2]

10. That is beautiful, usonian.

Thank you.

[usonian]

17. applegrove pointed out the meidastouch article.

Gotta give credit!

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-attacks-israel-and-calls-them-weak-they-let-us-down

Pretty damning article. By his own words.

[sheshe2]

19. Holy Shit!

From your link.

Trump Attacks Israel and Calls Them Weak: They "Let Us Down"
Donald Trump unleashed on Israel during a bizarre and dangerous speech in West Palm Beach and called Hamas "smart."

WTF!? He doesn't need a jail cell he needs a padded cell in an insane asylum!

[usonian]

23. It's more than Diet Coke?

Actually, I posted this (below) and stand on it to the extent that someone ( named Smith? ) can prove it definitively.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18354924
(Copied below)
He must have had a talk with his maker.


He already sold Israel out via Lavrov or Putin himself.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/flashback-trump-admitted-to-sharing-classified-intelligence-from-israel-to-russia/ar-AA1hQZHh

FLASHBACK: Trump Admitted to Sharing Classified Intelligence from Israel to Russia
Story by Brett Meiselas • 4d

Following the attacks by Hamas against Israel on Saturday, it’s worth revisiting a foreign policy disaster by Donald Trump that has major implications on the events we are witnessing today.

In 2017, Donald Trump divulged classified intelligence about Israeli’s Mossad spy agency and ISIS to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during a meeting at The White House. Trump admitted to sharing the confidential intelligence, tweeting that he had an “absolute right” to do so. While he may have had the right to share intelligence while he was president, that doesn’t mean that sharing confidential intelligence from Israel with our adversaries was the right thing to do.

Israel was furious. ForeignPolicy.com noted in a 2017 article:

“Just days before President Donald Trump’s arrival in Tel Aviv, Israeli intelligence officials were shouting at their American counterparts in meetings, furious over news that the U.S. commander in chief may have compromised a vital source of information on the Islamic State and possibly Iran, according to a U.S. defense official in military planning. “To them, it’s horrifying,” the official, who attended the meetings, told Foreign Policy. “Their first question was: ‘What is going on? What is this?’””

[sheshe2]

27. I want Jack Smith to take him down and I want it to hurt.

He is upset having been kicked off Forbes list? Just wait until his ass is thrown in jail and his access to social media is taken away. Now that will kill him.

Thanks for the links.

[usonian]

34. It's from good sources, and needs to be shared.

Just sorry if it detracts from the JB vibe here.

Apparently, Big Daddy Putin laid down the law for all his stooges to line up. My opinion, as you see his client states do do.

Thank goodness we're not one any more.

And look what I found on September 8.



What did bullshit Globe know, if anything? No wonder Men In Black read the tabloids.

[bdamomma]

53. Me too

sheshe, I want Jack to listen to his every sick twisted words. And take him down.

[DemocraticPatriot]

30. Somehow i don't think that will go over so well

with the evangelicals.... as they call themselves...

(or it shouldn't)

[bdamomma]

52. Hmm...

he always calls killers smart. I hate that orange blob, go to Russia then. He called Putin smart too.

Get him away from society he's a danger and a menace.

[calimary]

12. I second that emotion.

Thank you, President Biden.

You are loved, honored, appreciated, and respected all over the world by people of conscience and truth. I’ve seen and studied presidents since Kennedy, and I thank God for you every day.

[wnylib]

15. Amen.

[Rhiannon12866]

13. Wow! Thanks so much for posting!

[Cha]

36. Mahalo USO man.. It's So Heartwarming!!🤷‍♂️💕🤷‍♀️💕

[MyNameIsJonas]

18. Sadly, they don't.

He won't even get a majority of America to stand with him.

We're a broken nation.

[WheelWalker]

21. Respectfully disagree with your assessments.

[MyNameIsJonas]

25. That's fine.

I see no evidence most America, let alone a majority, back him on anything right now.

They might agree with him but his approval is going to remain low. Just as it did with Ukraine.

Really, I've never seen anything quite like it. Polls show Americans generally support the actions, like funding their effort and sending weapons but when it comes to approving of Biden's handling of Ukraine? Most don't.

Here's an article about the phenomenon:

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088568802/russia-ukraine-biden-approval-rating-poll-numbers-inflation

"What he's doing is fundamentally what the American people want," Jackson said. "But even if Biden is doing everything that people want to do, he's not going to get a lot of credit for it."

I think it'll be the exact same with Israel. They'll support the generic points of what he's doing but they won't actually support him in general.

[ancianita]

39. Just off the top, I think you might take a broader look at the map of America's reality.

You don't see evidence? That's fine. I do.

Hundreds of Americans on grand juries in Florida, Georgia, New York and DC told the truth through their hard work and final indictments.

Hundreds of witnesses, all Republicans, gave sworn testimony and documents to the Jan 6 House Committee and in the nationally televised hearings. Let's see reality more clearly. That was during the 117th Congress, the House under the legendary Speaker Pelosi.

The 7 million more who voted for Biden over Trump in 2020 are still out there.

They are joined by Generation Z, who are voting in greater numbers than all other age demographic, having more at stake for the future than anyone.

DU stands with millions who also stand with rule of law and our monumentally great Department of Justice, enforcing law as the biggest law firm on the planet.

America is an essential nation among nations.
Biden knows it and said it.

President Joe Biden was made for these times.

Be careful to see the map of reality out there. Don't bet against millions when it comes to being pro-democracy, pro-truth, and patriotic.

Cynical doubt filters out a lot of the territory you're mapping.

[MyNameIsJonas]

45. I really don't know what any of that has to do with my point.

It's not 2020. It's 2023 and it's clear Americans aren't favoring Biden like they were three years ago. He is not getting the credit for what he's doing and I don't expect that to change with Israel.

I don't think that means he loses in 2024 - in fact, I think he wins. But anyone expecting the country to rally behind Biden like it has past presidents, well that's just wishful thinking.

Americans didn't line up in support of Biden with Ukraine, despite most agreeing with the general approach. But when it was specifically asked about the job Biden was doing? His numbers didn't match the action.

I think it'll be the same with Israel. I don't think they'll give him credit for stepping up. I don't think they'll rally around him. I don't think they'll be grateful - at least in large numbers.

But we'll see. I hope you're right and he gets a much needed approval bump out of this.

[DemocraticPatriot]

31. Have a little faith, brother....

He has the majority-- we just have to get them to the polls!

[MyNameIsJonas]

37. Oh I think he'll win in 2024 but I'm being honest with the state of things.

If the GOP was even half-normal like in 2012, which it felt they weren't even normal back then, I think Biden would face some long prospects in 2024.

For whatever reason, America has soured extensively on him and while I think he'll likely win in 2024 because of just how bat-shit insane the GOP has become - I don't think it'll be in support of him.

He just doesn't seem to get any credit on anything.

To another poster, I linked to a poll about Ukraine where it showed that Americans supported pretty much EVERYTHING Biden was doing in response to Russia's invasion.

Yet when they asked Americans if they approved Biden's handling of Ukraine, 36% said yes and 52% said no.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088568802/russia-ukraine-biden-approval-rating-poll-numbers-inflation

The article sums up what I think is a real problem:

"What he's doing is fundamentally what the American people want," Jackson said. "But even if Biden is doing everything that people want to do, he's not going to get a lot of credit for it."

I think we'll see the same with Israel. They'll support what Biden is doing but the second they're asked if they support Biden, they'll say no - they won't have his back on this. For whatever reason, Biden just doesn't get credit for anything. No matter what he does. No matter how often Americans actually agree - when his name is attached to it, they disapprove. I see no reason to believe it won't be the same with Israel.

They'll have America's back on what America does - but they won't have Biden's, despite him literally being the guy ordering this response.

[DemocraticPatriot]

38. I guess too many Americans 'have no respect for their elders'....

God knows I am the LAST person I would have ever expected to repeat that old line... but it does seem to be the case in this instance.

[ancianita]

41. Pretty sure you're not clear on how much Americans, esp. youth, agree with Biden & Democrats.

1.





2.





3.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/younger-voters-are-poised-to-upend-american-politics/

How younger voters will impact elections: Younger voters are poised to upend American politics
Morley Winograd, Michael Hais, and Doug Ross
February 27, 2023

from Pew Research and Brookings Institution






Duly noted: you have an honest opinion.

[MyNameIsJonas]

44. Yeah. You really didn't refute what I said.

In fact, you pretty much reaffirmed it. Americans likely agree with a lot of what Biden is doing in general terms but they're not giving him credit for it. I already pointed out Ukraine where Americans were given a list of things Biden was doing and they generally approved but when asked straight up if they approved of the job he was doing in Ukraine, a majority said no.

Biden is not getting the credit for what he's done. I do not expect that will change with Israel. I don't see his approval going up and his polling improving after these events.

That doesn't mean he won't win in 2024 but there's olenty of evidence to suggest Biden isn't popular despite Americans supporting a lot of his policies.

[ancianita]

46. I got the spirit of what you said. Credit is nice. But it's the votes that will give Biden credit.

The credit you want to read will never, ever be allowed in right leaning corporate media.

That's the real reason why you think they don't give credit.
Media don't provide the whole truth.
Their owners' profit goals are limited to audience "engagement."

I'd love for Biden to get the credit he richly deserves. I agree with you on that.

But in the adult world, if adults waited around for credit -- or ONLY did anything for credit -- nothing important and difficult and complex would get done.

Remember the last scene in the movie Wag the Dog, when the producer (Dustin Hoffman) was determined to get credit? And the director (Robert DeNiro) had to neutralize the producer so that the honest production "to preserve our way of life" would stick?

[MyNameIsJonas]

47. It's frustrating because it has happened to other presidents.

And it just isn't happening with Biden.

But I'm not going to lie, it concerns me because I see how close 2024 might be and the general narrative it seems is that Biden hasn't done anything - when he clearly has.

[ancianita]

48. You've been insistent here beyond the spirit of this thread. Sorry that you feel frustrated, but

great statesmen are celebrated when they finish, not while they "put the Western alliance together."

That's just not how the world works, MNIJ.

We only notice when someone's reached the top of a mountain, not all the hard preparatory work, the stressed competence of the perilous journey to plant the flag for others to follow.

Not sure how old you are, but when you get as old as I am, you see that goodness is its own reward, credit or not -- it's often what makes the difference between professionalism and 'enoughness.' And that when good is done long enough, it becomes the light of greatness that breaks through dark times.

What Biden's doing, he will work at until the day he dies. Making the history he's making takes a lifetime.


Since you KNOW it's a hype negative narrative about Joe, neutralize it with fact over fiction. Do that whenever and wherever you find it. When we keep chipping away at the for profit corporate horse race negative hype, we shut it up, then shut it down.

[MyNameIsJonas]

49. I'm pointing out the cold reality of the political climate.

Anyone expecting America to rally behind Biden even half as strong as they did with Bush after 9/11 or his father with the Gulf War is going to be thoroughly disappointed. It's not going to happen. That's all I'm saying. He won't see an approval bump and that's the cold reality of how things are. That's all.

[ancianita]

50. Only the one part you want to insist on emphasizing. Your map is not the territory.

That's not all. That's not all you're saying.

When the numbers prove the territory doesn't look like your map, your map is wrong. Period.

[MyNameIsJonas]

51. The numbers don't, tho.

You're the one attempting to fit a square peg in a round hole. Everything you said was irrelevant to my point and that was that Biden has historically low approval numbers despite all the things he's accomplished. That I find troubling and disappointing, especially as we enter an election season where, despite everything, Trump is up by nine-points in Pennsylvania, 7 in Michigan and and 2 in Wisconsin according to the most recent polls.

If America had Biden's back, it would show - and it's not showing. There is nothing wrong with that statement. I get wanting to hope it into existence but it's just not true. Biden, for whatever reason, is not getting the support of the American people. That's going to be a challenge for him to overcome in 2024 but I am hopeful he will.

But no, I don't think Americans have Joe's back and thinking they do is doing a disservice to reality. America is broken. And all you have to do to see that is just look at Biden's overall approval.

It doesn't mean he won't win in 2024 but it does mean Americans aren't rallying around him like the post suggests and like we've seen with previous presidents.

[Blue Owl]

20. K&R

[appalachiablue]

22. Amen, thank you President Biden! ⭐

[tosh]

24. Grateful...

in so many ways.

Thank you, President Biden!

[BigmanPigman]

35. This is why back in 2018 I told my family he would be

the best choice for POTUS with Harris as his running mate. My gut knew this to be the only choice. I need to listen to my "gut" more often.

[ancianita]

40. Next time you listen to it, let us all know, BP!

You and Obama were right about Joe. Joe learned during his 8 years as VP, now putting it to work.

I'm grateful for your "gut".

[BigmanPigman]

42. I did!

I guess I wasn't forceful enough at the time though. I was relatively new here.

[ancianita]

43. Use the word "gut," and we'll sit up!

That'll do it!

[kwolf68]

54. Thank you President Biden

His reactions and responses to this situation are presidential. At this point, all he can do is just support our allied nation. I hope the American people see President Biden's reaction with how the Orange Assgoblin is responding to this tragedy. If you can view both in action and conclude Biden is not vastly superior human being and Presidential candidate, then you are fucking hopeless.