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from Grist's Gristmill blog:
Summer Rupper, a geologist at Brigham Young University, traveled to Bhutan. Her goal in visiting the Himalayan nation in southern Asia was to predict how its glaciers were likely to respond to various climate scenarios over the coming decades. The answer: No matter what, the glaciers are likely to shrink substantially.
Ruppers most conservative findings indicate that even if climate remained steady, almost 10 percent of Bhutans glaciers would vanish within the next few decades. Whats more, the amount of melt water coming off these glaciers could drop by 30 percent.
In fact, snowfall rates in Bhutan would need to almost double to avoid glacier retreat, but its not a likely scenario because warmer temperatures lead to rainfall instead of snow. If glaciers continue to lose more water than they gain, the combination of more rain and more glacial melt will increase the probability of flooding which can be devastating to neighboring villages.
Note the point in that first paragraph: even if climate remained steady. In other words, even if the climate didnt get any warmer, which is almost certainly not going to be the case.
Although Bhutans glaciers are massive and how they react to climate change will affect those downstream from the nation read: the populous nation of Bangladesh melt is a problem for glaciers the world over. And, by extension, for everyone who lives anywhere near the ocean. ................(more)
The complete piece is at: http://grist.org/news/more-bad-news-about-glaciers-and-therefore-sea-levels/
villager
(26,001 posts)...these things are happening.
Cha
(297,562 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)And by dorking around I mean tourism, and a bunch of what I call "monstrosities to materialism" that I am finding while looking for a new place to live. Americans have been hellbent on building 5,000, and bigger, square foot homes over the last ten years.
Alright, I will just shut up now. It's your kids and grand kids who will be wondering what we were doing while the world melted.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)We act only when our backs are against the wall.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I am going on 60, and for the last ten years I've been paying for what I did to myself in my 20's and 30's. I didn't know what I was doing. The minute I felt something was wrong, I stopped alcohol overnight. No problem.
I honestly think the problem is that people also do not really know there is a problem. I have known it since I was around 16 years old. We weren't talking about carbon emissions yet, but I was already in serious stress over this. I KNEW. I have eyes. And it seemed so obvious to me. I only recently realized that I was more right than I want to be.
I don't know whether it will be a severe shock of a crisis or just a smouldering wreckage that leaves us with a "silent Spring". I suspect the latter.
All I can say is it's a shame. A shame I drank. And a shame we had to bring our population to 7 billion. In fact, since the day of 7 billion (October 31, 2011) we now have 50,000,000 new people. That's a few Los Angeles, and New Yorks in just one year.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He rarely mentions anything about it. Climate change will be a huge issue before he is out of office. It's do or die time.
Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)3 or 4 billion people.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)given decades earlier, in the hopes that one could inspire people because it wasn't too late.
But instead, once the first warnings were issued, and deliberately "don't want to be too alarmist," oil industry PR kicked into overdrive on so many levels-- starting the "there is lots of doubt" talking points, encouraging more consumption of oil with giant hummers and "Morning in America" thinking-- we're great! we don't have to cut back! -- and all kinds of delay.
And here we are in an era of accelerated warming. The middle scenario. The ocean currents haven't reversed but the glaciers are melting faster than expected and the Arctic ice is melting faster and the permafrost and and and
Thank goodness more people are getting out there to protest and push for change now.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)(IPCC records actually show that we've largely stayed on track for the average predicted increases, and not quite as warm as Hansen predicted back in '88) as more like some of the knock-on effects are coming on quicker than even the scientists predicted, particularly the ice melt in the Arctic.
But instead, once the first warnings were issued, and deliberately "don't want to be too alarmist," oil industry PR kicked into overdrive on so many levels-- starting the "there is lots of doubt" talking points, encouraging more consumption of oil with giant hummers and "Morning in America" thinking-- we're great! we don't have to cut back! -- and all kinds of delay.
Definitely true, and it didn't help that dishonest hacks like Christopher Hooker and others kept claiming that even moderate action on climate change would destroy the world economy(which was and still is blatantly untrue, but I don't expect them to give a fuck anyhow), and many other pieces of bullshit they've been spewing of course.
Thank goodness more people are getting out there to protest and push for change now.
Very true.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Juuuust great.
kydo
(2,679 posts)Images similar to one you post that only re-enforces that climate change is fact
or
that nearly half of the US population either; down right out doesn't believe climate change is real and will often turn the debate into some weird rant about al gore, or they refuse to believe humans have had an impact on climate change.
Mind you these same people believe baby jesus played with dinosaurs, and most recently they believed that not only would romney make a good president but that he would win in a landslide. There track record isn't looking so great - must be a scary time for them these days.
Bainbridge Bear
(155 posts)to call his book "Eaarth". It looks more and more like this planet will never be "normal" for the rest of human history. Our grandchildren will never forgive us for what we failed to do. It was Kurt Vonnegut who said. "We could have saved the planet but we were too damned cheap." Yes, I know. The planet will eventually repair itself but by then, we will be extinct.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)It looks more and more like this planet will never be "normal" for the rest of human history. Our grandchildren will never forgive us for what we failed to do.
Not for the rest of human history. For some centuries afterward? Maybe so. On a geological time scale, though, Earth could in fact recover in the blink of an eye under the right conditions, or at least in some ways.
The planet will eventually repair itself but by then, we will be extinct.
No, we'll still be here. What civilization may look like in another couple of millenia from now, nobody can really say. But barring a K/T event or gamma ray burst, or something equally truly apocalyptic, we'll still be around in some fashion.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)We'll keep ripping it up faster than it can heal. Seen a megatherium or a wooly mammoth around recently? Pointy sticks are a very destructive force, when backed up by a kilo and a half of human brain.
If the planet does heal, it's a given that we will be gone. After all, most species go extinct eventually. What would make us any different? It could take another 1000, 10,000 or 100,000 years, but our extinction, from one cause or another, is a given.
The question is, how much and how fast are we, through our actions, increasing the probability of our own extinction? That's a bit of an imponderable, but some people (including me) think we're bringing the horizon in on ourselves much faster than most people realize. And we're speaking up so that more people will consider that possibility, and what we might do about it.
glinda
(14,807 posts)issue is denial in order to drown out the fear. Humans are really a piece of work. Not all humans but many of them.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Yeah, climate change deniers(Monckton, Booker, etc.) and apocalypse proponents(yes, Malcolm Light GuyMcPherson, etc.) both. I mean, AGW being a NWO hoax, or humanity going extinct because of climate change alone? Both theories are equally nutty and should be shunned by rational, thinking people, and I do hope, btw, that that would be the majority on our side, or we're in real serious trouble.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Looks like Obama doesn't have the wherewithal to do anything about adding co2.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)I recommend it. A photography team set up cameras to view glaciers over a several year period. In the past 10 years glaciers have receded as much as they have in the previous 100 years. It's a real eye-opener.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)There's just not that much water in glaciers. It is mostly in the Antarctic.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Most, if not all, of the water from the Ganges in India, for example, comes straight from the Himalayas. Hundreds of millions need that to survive every day.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)but they aren't. It is mostly the rising temperature of the ocean waters that lead to higher volume and therefore higher sea levels.
live love laugh
(13,124 posts)It's very sad that there are people who choose to believe that methane gas is the cause of climate change vs. believing that there are actionable causes stemming from monied interests. On election morning while waiting in line, a stranger and I talked about the weather--in particular Sandy's devastation. He said it was a shame that climate change was only going to get worse and then said that he would be long gone by the time it became intolerable. I agreed and thought I probably will be gone as well. But, in the meantime, I will watch as Al Gore's inconvenient truth becomes an inconvenient reality.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)More people will die now and in the immediate future from weather related causes than we are used to. It could happen very quickly if droughts keep killing crops that used to be taken for granted.
This hellish summer was just a taste of things to come.
How are you supposed to eat money?