These Palestinian boys received life-saving surgery in the US. An Israeli airstrike killed them in their home

[David__77]

Seven years ago, an NGO, a team of craniofacial surgeons and a community of host families in Shreveport, Louisiana, moved mountains to bring Farid and Qoosay Salout from Gaza to the US for medical treatment.

The surgeries were a resounding success.

But on 8 November 2023, 12-year-old Farid and Qoosay, 14, were killed in an Israeli airstrike.

...

On 8 November, Farid, Qoosay, their little brother, their father and six other relatives were killed when an airstrike hit their four-story building in the city of Khan Younis in southern Gaza. Relatives say the three had only been at the house for 10 minutes to retrieve items to take back to the school where they were sheltering when the bomb hit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/palestine-children-surgery-gaza-israel-airstrike-killed

[former9thward]

1. Hamas killed them.

They had operations in that apartment building.

[David__77]

2. What were their operations in that building?

Do you have a citation? Thank you.

[former9thward]

10. I am not a member of Hamas so I don't know what their operations were.

I trust the Israelis over Hamas. I don't believe the Israelis bombed an apartment building just to kill some civilians. I also know the Israelis warn -- almost always an hour in advance -- not 10 minutes as the OP says.

[LeftInTX]

70. I don't believe they gave adequate warning to Jabalia - Halloween Day

That's always their smokescreen. Well, we've been telling people for two weeks. Well, where were they supposed to go? The roads were dangerous. They didn't say, "We're gonna bomb your building in 1/2 hour". They only gave those warnings to the hospitals.

They just said, "We've been telling people for two weeks". Yeah, they told people on SM "Move to south of the river" and dropped leaflet. But they had already cut off phone service, Roads were dangerous. Where were they supposed to stay?

People really couldn't evacuate until they started the four hour humanitarian pauses.

[BuddhaGirl]

4. Hamas didn't do the bombing

How many innocent lives are enough for you?

That said, Hamas should be eliminated...but the Israeli gov't needs to find another way than retaliating by murdering innocents.

[brooklynite]

13. "the Israeli gov't needs to find another way"

Any ideas?

[BuddhaGirl]

35. No

But the murder of innocents is not the way to do it.

[oioioi]

72. Stop killing kids, for starters.

[lapfog_1]

34. but the Israeli gov't needs to find another way

I am open to suggestions... and I am fairly certain the IDF would be open to suggestions... they are losing the (dis)-information war.

If Israel had information that Hamas was operating in the apartment building, and eliminating Hamas is in the interest of both Israel and the Palestinian people, other than sending in massive numbers of ground troops and tanks, thus putting thousands of Israeli soldiers at risk... and still killing quite a few Palestinians civilians...

I am at a loss what to do.

Of course, all 30K members of Hamas could take their guns and grenades and rockets out into the Negev desert and invite the IDF to an actual war between armies without civilians in the cross fire. If they really believed that Allah was on their side, why would they not believe they could defeat the IDF and liberate all of Palestine as Allah intends. Let's suggest that they do that. I haven't heard that suggestion from any anti-war, pro Palestinian freedom fighter protester yet, I wonder why not?

[al bupp]

45. Right Hamas should go out into the desert with their machine guns, RPGs and ATMs

Meeting the Israelis who have artillery, tanks, APCs, satellite imagery and an air force would be exactly how all successful insurgencies, including American revolutionaries, involved in asymmetric warfare have behaved.

[lapfog_1]

67. all you have to do is believe

because God is on your side. Somehow God will defeat the enemy and give you the victory you pray for. The tanks and war planes will magically blow up.

Or maybe not.

I guess they don't really believe that their machine guns and rockets are sufficient to wage war. Maybe God is not on their side after all.

But those machine guns and rockets and grenades sure worked against unarmed civilians and babies and 20 somethings at a music festival. I am sure they are really proud of that... they live streamed their "freedom fight".

[al bupp]

71. Just like IDF bombs worked on the unarmed civilians of Gaza

But I venture to say the bombs and guided missles were a lot more efficient and effective.

But, hey, at least the unarmed Gazans were warned, right? And, besides that way they could go crowd themselves into an even smaller area for later even more efficient lawn mowing.

[lapfog_1]

78. still waiting on the strategy

that eliminates Hamas but doesn't harm a single civilian in Gaza

or the suggestion that eliminating Hamas is wrong for some reason or another.

here is the logic

Did Hamas stage an attack on civilians in southern Israel? ( according to some in Oakland, despite Hamas leadership claims to the contrary, the murders were staged by the IDF )

If YES then
Should Hamas be eliminated?
if YES then
How does the IDF do this without either losing their soldiers or killing civilians in Gaza?
( insert magical thinking )


If NO then
How long before Hamas does it again
( insert speculation on weeks to few months because again, those interviews with Hamas leadership stating this is their goal )

and here we are... with a war in Gaza that has killed some number of civilians... maybe as many as 14,000 ( according to Hamas )

Wars are horrible, but no one has come up with an answer to avoid this one other than
a) Hamas are freedom fighters so everything they did was justified and Israeli jews should vacate the Middle East
b) The IDF committed the murders on Oct 7th because Hamas is entirely peaceful and innocent
c) Hamas are terrorists but Israel cannot strike Gaza because civilians might die so leave Hamas alone
d) Israel should send in 2 million armed soldiers to individually find and arrest 30,000 Hamas members in Gaza and should not carry any guns because that might lead to incidents where civilians are harmed... and certainly no bombs or tanks ( Israel doesn't have 2 million soldiers ) and Hamas, being peaceful people, will simply let the overwhelming force arrest them without incident.

or

e) suggest your own magical thinking here because I am running out of bullshit

I have not heard ONE logical practical plan from the side of "Israel is committing genocide and Israel is bad" as to what the Israeli response SHOULD have been... not ONE. Or, for that matter, one illogical plan.

[al bupp]

79. The situation requires a political solution

It is obvious that neither side can eliminate the other. Any attempted military solution is destined to fail, or at least come at horrific cost to both sides with unintended consequences.

So, they will have to figure out a way to live together in peace. That would entail granting Palestinians a real and contiuous state that controls its own borders and internal affairs.

In return, Hamas and other the PA would have to agree to accept Israel's legitimacy.

Atonement will have to be made for past injustices, and mutual trust built up over time. It will not be easy or quick. People will have to let go of their hate. Complicated situations require complicated and creative solutions.

As the dominant, colonial power, Israel will have to make the initial concessions.

[lapfog_1]

80. The stated goal of Hamas is to kill all of the Jews in Israel

Tell me again how the "colonial power" ( Jews were there first, long before there was a Muslim religion... so who exactly is the "colonizer"? ) makes peace with this?

Not to mention that the Palestinians have repeatedly rejected proposals for their own state along side of Israel. So, in fact, Israel has already made the first concessions.

Yes, the right wing parties of Israel ( including Bibi ) have encouraged illegal settlements taking more Palestinian land. Not excusing that. But this was long after there were permanent peace solutions put on the table by almost every American President since Jimmy Carter, only to be rejected by the PLO.

When they chant at the protests "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"... you KNOW that is a message of genocide against Israel, right? right? It does not accept even a concept of Israel as a nation, a majority Jewish nation. The reason that Israel exists is that Jews around the world, after suffering centuries of persecution after being violently expelled ( The Diaspora ) from their homeland, culminating with the mass execution at the hands of the Nazis ( where some estimates put the death toll as ONE HALF of all the Jews in the world ) wanted a nation of their own, in their old homeland, where they were not a minority.

Now I, as a non-religious person, prefer to live in a country that is ( so far ) not a religious theocracy. I respect that others have their religious views, but I prefer they NOT shove their particular religion down everyone's throats. Looking at the middle east where theocracy seems to be the order of the day... the least theocratic democracy is Israel. I doubt that a Hamas run nation would be one that most of us ( Jews, Christians, agnostic, Hindus, etc ) would be one that we would want to live in ( LGBTQ+ people and social justice warriors especially ). So I wonder why so many on the left want to see them take over "from the river to the sea"?

[Oopsie Daisy]

88. Your last question is a good one. I wonder that also.

[Climate Crusader]

77. Why not?

Last edited Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:14 AM - Edit history (1)

Well, it's foolish for starters.

And if your argument is that if Hamas really thinks that Allah is on their side, they shouldn't fear open battle in the desert, then isn't it an equivalent argument that if the IDF believes God is on their side, why the tanks, and bombs and body armor?

There is no "logic" to this on any side , and no deity is pleased.

[enid602]

75. effectiveness

How many Hamas operatives have been found/imprisoned/eliminated since the beginning of this operation?

[artemisia1]

86. Unfortunately, they want to drive all the Gazans into Egypt and take the land. First, they have to make it uninhabitable

by destroying as much infrastructure as possible. Netanyahu and his government are evil men. No I don't support Oct. 7 as two wrongs never make a right, but, historically, the Israelis have been the aggressors and land grabbers.

[malaise]

5. They were killed by the IDF

Fact

[msongs]

6. amazing how people tie themselves up in knots to deny responsibility eh?

one chooses to drop a bomb one is responsible for who it kills

[former9thward]

7. Should the U.S. be tried for war crimes for all the civilians killed in WW II?

[malaise]

9. The US should be tried for more than a few war crimes

Yes

[former9thward]

11. Well, civilians were killed when Obama, Bush 2 and Clinton were presidents.

In various countries by U.S. military actions. I don't know if any were killed during Trump or not. But should those people all be tried?

[Big Blue Marble]

16. You are justifying killing of civilians because other civilians have

unfairly died. Weak

[former9thward]

17. It is weak when no one who attacks Israel is willing to answer the question.

[Big Blue Marble]

24. Israel has bombed over 1.5 million people out of their homes.

Israel has killed over 15 thousand people including over 6000 children.

They are estimating they have killed about 2000 Hamas leaders out of
10,000. At that ratio, there be another 60,000 deaths and 120,00 injuries
to reach the rest. Is that OK with you?

[msongs]

12. the post is about kids killed by Israel and

accepting responsibility for ones own actions

[former9thward]

14. Does that mean only Israel should be accountable for civilian deaths?

Why only Israel?

[msongs]

19. it means the topic of the conversation is how israel killed 2 kids

with bombs. no need to try and change the subject away from the topic

[former9thward]

21. This is a discussion board and the discussion is whatever a poster decides to post.

People are free to ignore posts or not respond to posts. But I understand why someone might not want a broader discussion or to answer the question.

[claudette]

28. They are responsible for these

two deaths. Hamas is responsible for 1200 Israeli deaths and the IDF has killed 14,500 Palestinians. How many dead Palestinians is enough for you?

[lapfog_1]

37. I wasn't aware that this was a numbers game

you launch an attack and kill 1200 civilians and the other side gets to have revenge by killing the same number of your civilians.

I believe the stated goal of Israel is to eliminate Hamas that murdered 1200 people... including some 300 people at a music festival... people the same age as the current wave of campus protesters. And yet many of the anti-Israel (some might say anti-semite) protesters act as if they people killed by Hamas "deserved it" just for being there.

Israel needs to either kill or arrest everyone that is a member of Hamas or supports Hamas.

It would be great if they didn't kill or hurt anyone else.

But I and everyone else on the planet currently have no serious suggestions on how they should do that.

I guess the current thinking is that Israelis should a) forget about the terror attacks and b) leave Israel and go someplace else ( I am pretty sure this has happened before... right? How did that work out for Jews in Germany and Russia and, well, everywhere else )

[claudette]

39. No, that is not the current thinking

Israelis should not forget about the terror attacks and leave to go somewhere else. What I think the Israeli government needs to do is accept the FACT that killing innocent Palestinians while seeking to remove Hamas is NOT the answer. A ceasefire with the goal of seeking a two-state solution to give Palestine its freedom is the answer - in my view.

By the way, Hamas is a terrible terrorist group, but they are NOT the same as Hitler and the Nazis. They want their own state for Palestinians - period - not to be under Israel's thumb as prisoners. But, to many it looks a little like Bibi the Butcher has a plan to get rid of as many Palestinians as possible.

[lapucelle]

41. This isn't true: "[Hamas] wants their own state for Palestinians - period"

By the way, Hamas is a terrible terrorist group, but they are NOT the same as Hitler and the Nazis. They want their own state for Palestinians - period - not to be under Israel's thumb as prisoners.

What does Hamas want?
Hamas has always espoused violence as a means to liberate occupied Palestinian territories and has called for the annihilation of Israel.

The group has vowed to annihilate Israel and has been responsible for many suicide bombings and other deadly attacks on civilians and Israeli soldiers.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/10/1204826544/hamas-israel-war-gaza-palestinian

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Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

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Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology

A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.

Lest there be any doubt about Hamas’s sanguinary aims toward Israel and the Jewish people, the introduction goes on to explain:

This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious … It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

[Sal_NV]

42. Just got done reading the post you responded to,

and I'm shaking my head in disbelief at the stupidity of that post.

[yardwork]

47. This is a highly romanticized and inaccurate view of Hamas.

Hamas's stated purpose is the annihilation of Israel and all Jews. They state this openly, including recently. They themselves are very clear on this.

This romantic impression of Hamas as warriors fighting so that everybody can live in freedom is false.

Americans have been persuaded of this fiction and run off to join "freedom fighters" like Hamas and ISIS, only to find themselves sold as "wives," raped, beaten, and held as prisoners. Then they beg to come home.

Believe Hamas when they tell you their goals. Don't impose your own wishes, hopes and dreams on a terrorist organization.

[claudette]

53. You seem to know

The secret desires of Hamas. I’m not sure ALL Palestinians would agree with them or you. There are factions within Hamas. Sadly, I don’t think Israel or the rest of the world is ready to work for a serious peace there. But I keep hoping

[lapucelle]

55. The openly stated goals of Hamas is the genocide of Jews

and the annihilation of Israel.

It’s no secret.

[yardwork]

56. There's no secret about it.

Look up HAMAS (it's an acronym) and read their statements.

[sarisataka]

52. I know we have had this discussion previously

And you were informed Hamas goal is one Islamic state. They will tolerate no "Zionist entity" nor the existence of Jews. Genocide is part and parcel of Hamas Covenant.

[mcar]

59. Are you joking?

By the way, Hamas is a terrible terrorist group, but they are NOT the same as Hitler and the Nazis. They want their own state for Palestinians - period - not to be under Israel's thumb as prisoners. But, to many it looks a little like Bibi the Butcher has a plan to get rid of as many Palestinians as possible.

Do you know what "from the river to the sea" means? Do you know that Hamas' sworn goal is the eradication of Jews worldwide? Apparently you don't. You are defending a terrorist organization and calling the only democratic state in the Middle East the true monsters (and yes, Netanyahu is corrupt and needs to go).

If all Hamas wanted was its own state, then why have they rejected two-state offers over and over again?

[AloeVera]

66. Eradication of Jews worldwide???

Please show me where in the Hamas Charter of 2017 there is any reference to "the eradication of Jews worldwide".

I could only find this:

19. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine.

If you have any other sources, please tell us.

[lapucelle]

68. Yes well, terrorist butchers who murder, rape, torture, and kidnap might also tend to lie.

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology

Perhaps the most astonishing statement in the entire new document—issued by a terrorist group that has forbade elections in Gaza since 2007—is the fatuous claim in Article 29 that

“Hamas believes in, and adheres to, managing its Palestinian relations on the basis of pluralism, democracy, national partnership, acceptance of the other and the adoption of dialogue.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

[AloeVera]

81. In that case, a question for you.

Do you honestly believe Hamas' motivation is antisemitism? Not perhaps a few... other things?

[lapucelle]

82. Nothing other than Jew-hate can account for the eight-hour long spree of hands-on butchery,

torture, rape, and murder that occurred on October 7, notwithstanding Hamas's New, Improved 2017 Charter® rebranding effort.

If there are further questions regarding the motivations of terrorist butchers, see/sea below.

[AloeVera]

87. Re-humanization?

Yes, it would take a lot of hatred and dehumanization to be able to be so brutal to other humans as they were on October 7th. But they weren't born hating, they learned it.

But you see the same thing goes for what happened on October 8, 9, 19,11 and so on up until today. A lot of hatred and dehumanization, also learned. Aside from Gaza, look at the IDF and settler killings and violence in the West Bank. Do you think the settlers and extremists dont hate?

The cycle is powered by HATE. It wont be broken by continued demonization and endless violence. It will take some sort of reconciliation process in which each side's legitimate grievances and needs are acknowledged. A re-humanization if you will.

Lest it's not obvious, I am talking about each people, not their crappy government or terrorist leaders.

[lapucelle]

89. Like I said, sea/see below.

[yardwork]

83. HAMA's stated mission is the elimination of all Jewish people.

What part of that is so difficult to understand?

HAMAS would laugh at these naive attempts to explain away their stated purpose. They are doing everything they can to get their point across: They hate Jewish people. They want all Jewish people to be destroyed. This hatred for Jews predates the existence of Israel and is, in fact, precisely the reason that Israel was created.

A lot of people have parachuted into this conversation and appear to have zero knowledge of everything that happened prior to October 7, 2023. (Actually, October 8 seems to be where attention begins, since the events of Oct 7 are also ignored.)

Read some history. Become informed beyond TikTok videos and propaganda. It's fun to sprinkle red, white and green flowers across the internet, but there's a lot more to this.

[AloeVera]

84. 50 years. Before Tik Tok.

I have been aware and informed about the I/P issue for going on 50 years.

That is why I know there IS a "lot more to this" as you put it. A lot happened before October 7th.

Precisely.

[AloeVera]

85. And another thing or two.

HAMA's stated mission is the elimination of all Jewish people.

I have asked before, where does Hamas state this mission to eliminate all Jewish people worldwide?

They hate Jewish people. They want all Jewish people to be destroyed. This hatred for Jews predates the existence of Israel and is, in fact, precisely the reason that Israel was created.

Israel was created to protect the Jewish people against Palestinian hatred? I'm pretty sure that's not how things went down in 1948-49 and even before, starting with the Zionist movement in the late 19th Century and the British colonialist "gifting" away of Palestine to them by Lord Balfour.

There might be a few reasons for Palestinians to be angry. What part of that is so difficult to understand?

[lapucelle]

69. It appears that some people on the internet might think that Hamas is getting a bad rap.

Bookmarking.

[Cha]

60. No you're WRONG WRONG WRONG. Period.

HAMAS the Butchering Sadistic Terrorist org's Mission is Written and it's Not what you say.

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology

Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamas’s genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on Saturday is completely in keeping with Hamas’s explicit aims and stated objectives. It was in fact the inchoate realization of Hamas’s true ambitions.

The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:

The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

Not sure Why you're giving HAMAS a pass on this.

Hamas: ‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it’

Over a month after Hamas’ brutal attack on Israel and her people, both parties have agreed to a deal on hostage and prisoner exchanges, and a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. While civilians will receive food, water, and emergency care amid the exchange negotiations, Hamas’ radical indoctrination of antisemitism will continue to spread.

“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: O’ Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him,” reads the Hamas Covenant that outlines a path to the group’s goal of destroying Israel through jihad. This mantra, riddled with blatant hate, was clearly reflected when the terrorist group broke an ongoing ceasefire with its attack on Israel on October 7 that prompted this wave of conflict. Footage of Israeli citizens being shot while driving their cars, children being murdered in their bunk beds, and families hunted in their own neighborhoods brings this atrocity of a covenant to the public eye.

https://newhouse.house.gov/media/weekly-columns-and-op-eds/hamas-israel-will-exist-and-will-continue-exist-until-islam-will

[uponit7771]

25. If they were indiscriminate collective punishment hell yes,

[claudette]

30. Yes

Only, in those cases, it wasn't deliberate the way the bombings are in Gaza. The "battlefield" in Gaza are the homes and apartment buildings where innocents live.

[former9thward]

36. You really need to read a history of WW II.

What the allies did in Germany and Japan was far more deliberate than anything that has happened in Gaza. BTW, I do not think it was a war crime, just as what is happening in Gaza is not a war crime.

[claudette]

38. Well,

I disagree with you 1000%. All deliberate killings of innocent civilians is a war crime.

[EX500rider]

63. "Only, in those cases, it wasn't deliberate the way the bombings are in Gaza." lol

Not deliberate, so like this was a accident?

Germany WWII:



The amount of dead civilians in Gaza, a unknown number since Hamas reports their dead terrorists as "civilian's"
would be a rounding error on a bad day in the strategic bombing of Japan.

Just one raid on one day:

.....on the afternoon of 9 March 346 B-29s left the Marianas bound for Tokyo. They began to arrive over the city at 2:00 am Guam time on 10 March, and 279 bombers dropped 1,665 tons of bombs.[105] The raid caused a massive conflagration that overwhelmed Tokyo's civil defenses and destroyed 16 square miles (41 km2) of buildings, representing seven percent of the city's urban area.[106] The Tokyo police force and fire department estimated that 83,793 people were killed during the air raid, another 40,918 were injured and just over a million lost their homes; postwar estimates of deaths in this attack have ranged from 80,000 to 100,000

[ExciteBike66]

40. Dresden would definitely be considered a crime today...

It's not even close.

A point was made recently that war crimes tend to be overlooked if a superpower says so. Doesn't mean they aren't war crimes

[malaise]

43. THIS

A point was made recently that war crimes tend to be overlooked if a superpower says so. Doesn't mean they aren't war crimes

[malaise]

8. Mind blowing

[yardwork]

48. How do you know this for a fact?

[Big Blue Marble]

15. Keep repeating, as often as you would like.

US bombs and rockets dropped by Israeli pilots killed them.
The killing and starving of the children of Gaza has to stop now.

[former9thward]

18. It would stop a minute from now if the Hamas murderers would surrender.

But they would rather see others die than do the right thing.

[claudette]

29. How do you know that?

Bibi the Butcher wants the land and has to demolish it first. Lots of people believe that is his goal.

[NoRethugFriends]

76. Yeh, he really wants that land. How about just once you say Hamas the butchers. Just once.

[AloeVera]

22. Have you seen recent pics/videos of Gaza?

Aerial ones especially.

Block after block after block after block after block after block...of apartment buildings turned to rubble. Nearly 300,000 housing units destroyed.

You believe there were Hamas operatives in each and every one?

It doesn't take a Mensa member to figure out the bombings were indiscriminate, vengeful, an orgy of destruction.

Any other view is burying your head in the sand while chanting "I believe the IDF".

[claudette]

27. Exactly

It was reported by Ari Melber last night that 14,500 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza. Does the IDF ever question how many Hamas members actually are IN those homes and apartment buildings they bomb? It is sickening. Bibi the Butcher is a mad man.

[yardwork]

49. Yes, I believe there were Hamas operatives in each and every block.

[AloeVera]

51. Oh ok then.

[claudette]

26. And you know this how?

Seems you are assuming that. Those boys were not responsible for anything that happened on 10/7, but obviously Nuttyahoo doesn't care about killing innocents.

[Orrex]

32. Why should he care?

He's got people around the world eager to give him a pass for any civilian deaths that he causes.

[claudette]

33. That's true

And it is so sad. I shudder to think where are the consciences of some.

[malaise]

3. 15 thousand dead Palestinians

Sick

[David__77]

23. It will rise by thousands even if no more bombs drop and aid flows freely.

[claudette]

31. Yes, it was reported

that disease will become rampant from the mess that these people have to live with.

[Iggo]

20. See what you made me do?

[republianmushroom]

46. Could have something to do with the death of those children

Stark images of murder and torture in Israel leave US Senators in tears and silence.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218489399

The Tiniest Human Shield
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18487834

Three hostages were KILLED in captivity
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218489304

[LexVegas]

50. Hamas, the elected governing body of Gaza, is responsible. nt

[Mosby]

54. Hamas are psychopathic liars.

Why would anyone believe them?

[yardwork]

57. I think I understand why.

People want to believe in good vs. evil. And HAMAS (I'm going to start using the acronym as they use it) has a remarkably good public relations campaign right now convincing a lot of gullible people that they are the good guys.

[herding cats]

58. Poor little guy.

Heartbreaking news. 😢

[David__77]

61. I do agree!

[duhneece]

62. Sometime a Truth & Reconciliation Commission-type solution must be implemented

Rwanda couldn’t have killed and imprisoned everyone who committed atrocities. There were simply too many.

They found a way out of revenge killings.

It’s possible.
https://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/rwanda/pdf/bgjustice.pdf

[David__77]

64. I've been thinking that that model might be a good one, ultimately.

Unfortunately, that seems far off to me.

[gulliver]

65. Hamas should free all hostages and surrender for trial at Nuremberg

Once Hamas members are all jailed or have been sent to the other side, the war will be over. Until then, Hamas are responsible for every loss to anyone. Any supporter, direct or indirect, shares the responsibility.

[brooklynite]

73. Is that more or less sad than the boys and girls intentionally killed by Hamas?

[David__77]

74. What is your opinion?