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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWill Claudine Gay Keep Her Job? The assault on the beleaguered president of Harvard continues.

https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2023-12-22-will-claudine-gay-keep-her-job/

The microscopic reviews of Gays dissertation and her published papers are persisting. The pattern appears to be that Gay will occasionally cite a source but neglect to put a short passage in quotes. Once again the Harvard Corporation, the universitys top governing body, reviewed the latest allegations and found that they didnt rise to the level of plagiarism. On Wednesday, the school issued a statement that in a few cases Gay had not rigorously followed the Harvard Guide to Using Sources. Gay has now submitted a total of seven corrections to scholarly articles adding quotation marks and revising citations. In a letter to Penny Pritzker, head of the Harvard Corporation, Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) cites the definition of plagiarism in the schools honor code and asks, Does Harvard hold its facultyand its own presidentto the same standards?
Assuming that nothing worse is unearthed, the Harvard Corporation has decided to stand by its president, at least for now. Meanwhile, the donor pressure continues. The hedge fund manipulator William Ackman, a major Harvard donor, has been saying out loud what others have whispered: that Gay got the Harvard post because of her race. Donors have far too much influence at universities. In a just world, Harvard would tell Ackman where to shove his money. But in this corrupted world, Gay will also need to repair relations with other donors if she is to survive. Lets also be honest about how affirmative action works. An institutions leadership will admit that it is far too white and far too male, and make systematic efforts to identify qualified candidates who are nonwhite and female or both. Ackman is right that some white male, somewhere, had better credentials than Gay, at least on paper.
Four hundred years after slavery, the diversification of the top leadership of top institutions is still far from complete. Black leaders who break ceilings are expected to be above reproach, as Barack Obama was. As John McWhorter writes in The New York Times, If she stays in her job, the optics will be that a middling publication record and chronically lackadaisical attention to crediting sources is somehow OK for a university president if she is Black. However, theres an instructive comparison with one failed white male Harvard president whom the governing corporation gave chance after chance to clean up his act before finally deciding in a divided vote that he had to go.
Though Larry Summers (or his legions of research assistants) made sure not to forget the quotation marks, his errors of scholarship were far more serious than Gays. They included assuming that deregulation of finance, which he relentlessly promoted, would not lead to a financial collapse; and that pushing postcommunist Russia to helter-skelter privatization would not lead to a deep depression that ended with Putin. Lately, Summers has failed to correct his egregious errors in his assessment of the recent bout of inflation and his calls for austerity. Summers also cost the Harvard endowment far more than whatever donors have bailed on Gay, with reckless speculations that overruled Harvards professional investment staff. It was his high-handedness with faculty and boorish sexist comments that finally did Summers in as Harvard president. But Harvards governing board, led at the time by Summers sponsor Robert Rubin, cut the arrogant Summers far more slack than it has cut Gay.
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Faux pas
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LeftInTX
(34,006 posts)I'm not really following it, but it's not congress's job to get involved in this. Harvard is a private university.
DFW
(59,146 posts)Remember the so-called Obama Scandals of about 13 years ago? Fox Noise was screaming about them for a while. When they finally decided that after squeezing that rock for weeks, and still not one drop of milk appeared, they dropped that whole scam, and not another word was heard about their fictitious scandals.
When the Republicans control a house of Congress (or, for that matter, the White House or the Supreme Court), they can be counted on to do whatever their donors and media gurus tell them to do.
They find the time to investigate the little man who wasnt there because that is what they are told to do.
LeftInTX
(34,006 posts)Solar power
Eric Holder
Obamacare
Immigration
IRS
The DEFICIT!!!
BTW: What happened to the debt meter?? Is it in storage???
Benghazi
Susan Rice
Hillary!!!
Mosque at the WTC
Oil spill
I don't think they investigated his birth certificate, I think that was an outside venture
What else am I missing?
Anyway, congress is gonna haul Claudine Gay in for a hearing over plagarism...
I'm like plagarism??? Really??? She's not a govt employee...
I don't know anything about this, but I'm pretty sure whatever it is, it is already a known fact...
I don't think it caused harm to the United States or the business of our govt...I don't think it effected the government in any way.....
DFW
(59,146 posts)There was never really anything there, so there wasnt much in the way of details to recall, and I dont have access to Fox archives.
FBaggins
(28,479 posts)That doesn't mean that it's right - but it gives them all the excuse they need.
malaise
(290,151 posts)Nah!
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NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)Forgot to use quotation marks? OMG it's a capital crime! Burn her at the stake!
It's nice America is such a wonderful place, where everything is wonderful, everyone has enough food and healthcare, and everyone gets along with everyone else. That things are so perfect our highly qualified congressional members have the free time to go after such heinous criminals.
Dorian Gray
(13,837 posts)I'm not sure why she'd want to keep the job at this point. The plagiarism is either true or not true, and I don't understand the nuances of the argument here. Regardless of that, the thankless constant attacks on her integrity combined with the loss of public trust and becoming the focus here... makes me think it would be better for her own self to resign.
Another large donor stepped away. That's her number one job.
While I won't ultimately care if she chooses to stay bc she thinks she can make a positive change in the institution, she'll continued to have every single decision studied under a microscope. She'll have to work harder to bring people to buy into the direction she's steering the institution.
MichMan
(16,080 posts)Captain Stern
(2,241 posts)John Shaft
(808 posts)One of the primary Whitesplaining gambits is to frame slavery as if it happened in geological time millions of years ago. This gambit is used to undermine the existence of slavery as if it never actually happened.
Captain Stern
(2,241 posts)I guess they could have meant 400 years after the first slaves were brought here, but it sure sounds like 400 years after slavery ended
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)Why should the president be held to a different standard?
Bettie
(18,966 posts)citing the reference, but missing quotation marks around it? No, you'd get marked down a bit for the punctuation error.
From the article above: "The pattern appears to be that Gay will occasionally cite a source but neglect to put a short passage in quotes."
And I almost missed putting quotation marks around the statement from the article.
MichMan
(16,080 posts)"When you fail to cite your sources, or when you cite them inadequately, you are plagiarizing,
which is taken extremely seriously at Harvard. Plagiarism is defined as the act of either
intentionally OR unintentionally submitting work that was written by someone else. If you turn
in a paper that was written by someone else, or if you turn in a paper in which you have included
material from any source without citing that source, you have plagiarized. As you begin your
Harvard career, it's important to take the time to understand what constitutes plagiarism, why
plagiarism is considered such a serious offense, and how to avoid plagiarizing in your own
writing"
Citation: Avoiding Plagiarism under The Harvard Guide on Using Sources
Bold added for emphasis
Then we have this.....
"Students who, for whatever reason, submit work either not their own or without clear attribution
to its sources will be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including requirement to withdraw
from the College"
Nowhere does it say, you are permitted to go back later and add the citations and quotes and all is forgiven
https://usingsources.fas.harvard.edu/sites/projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/sources/files/avoiding_plagiarism.pdf
MichMan
(16,080 posts)SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)If this only happened one time, I'd be happy to giver her a pass. But ... well you already know she's done it multiple times.
yardwork
(68,323 posts)If you were a student at Harvard, accused by somebody outside the university of plagiarism, and the university investigated and determined that you did NOT plagiarize, should you still be punished?
That's what's happened so far. I'm sure the Republicans will keep digging until they run her out of town, though.
MichMan
(16,080 posts)SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)But defend her if that's what works for you.
ForgedCrank
(2,908 posts)a day when I wasn't necessarily very interested in politics. I had no interest in the childish bickering I often saw on TV.
But then one day something caught my interest. To this day I don't know a lot of details, but I remember hearing for days and weeks about steroid abuse in professional baseball, and that our congress was having hearings on the subject, and summoning MLB players and executives to testify in front of congress on the matter.
This is the even that woke me up to politics. My biggest question was, why is our congress involved in this matter regarding local law and professional sports? Surely they have far more important matters to be dealing with, right?
This falls into the same category for me.
Although I take issue with some of her positions, I am left asking why congress is involved in what should be considered a matter to be left between the school and their President. and board.
Think about it for a moment, we have the US congress investigating the President of a private college for not using quotation marks in her papers.
Sympthsical
(10,734 posts)But everything's tribal nowadays. Republicans are suddenly very interested in academic integrity, which is plainly funny. Since when?
But we're also doing our own in this situation where even the most ardent defenders don't have a very good explanation for their defenses. It's literally, "A university president should not have to abide by the same academic standards as their students, because . . . reasons." Like that's the defense. Just, you know, reasons. I've not seen a single good one, and John McWhorter nailed the whole thing down in his NYT op-ed, IMO.
But Republicans are against something, so we have to be for it.
Can we not be, though? Can we just judge whether or not someone is wrong without going through the entire politico-journalist complex and declaring sides and making ourselves look compromised because we have to twist and bend and manipulate logic and reason to defend something that clearly one shouldn't be defending?
It shouldn't be this hard.
And if the argument truly is, "Nothing that bad happened here," ok. Then the next move should be to remove those standards for the students, yes? So, ok, get on that one. And maybe make restitution of some kind to students who suffered consequences under the standards that people are arguing clearly shouldn't be in place.
Unless we want to argue there should be double standards - which some people clearly, clearly are. But that circles around to the twisting and bending portion of the program I just mentioned.
yardwork
(68,323 posts)This is an area I actually know a little about, so (unlike most topics such as politics, rocket science, war, etc., where my near-complete ignorance allows me to hold strong opinions) I see this issue in complicated shades of grey.
Universities have lots of challenges right now, and the situation is making it near-impossible for university presidents to lead. They're being forced out all over the country.
The percent of support from federal and state sources is way down, necessitating larger and larger "campaigns" to raise money from wealthy private donors. This gives a handful of ultra-wealthy individuals - almost 100% of whom are white men - a lot of influence over how universities will be run. They're inserting themselves into hiring decisions, curricula, everything.
Meanwhile, the Republicans are doing what they do - basically trying to destroy public education. They didn't have much leverage over private institutions until this golden opportunity fell into their laps. A way to take down at least three female presidents of Ivy League institutions! And one's Black, too! And she looks masculine! Burn the witch!
Which leads to yet another issue facing college campuses, which you've witnessed and talked about here on DU - many of them have become seriously loopy incubators for extreme positions, the way things "should" be, completely dissociated from reality. (This is not true among the medical and sciences faculty of the universities. It's happening mostly in the social sciences.) It makes them easy targets for ridicule and more, especially as they've allowed antisemitism to creep in.
And the cost of tuition... and the consequent debt among students... and so forth...
So it's a hot mess. It's almost unworkable. The Republicans do nothing to help. I've watched this unfold for decades.
Sympthsical
(10,734 posts)It lays out the entire problem with the situation very neatly, IMO.
And if we're being a little honest, what other institution would we accept, "We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing?" I mean, they're clearly trying to shrug and paper it over and declare no big deal when their own policies and past actions against students make it very clear they did think it was a big deal right on up until it involved the university president. Additionally, some of the problems uncovered have come after Harvard made that statement.
We can't have two systems of rules and accountability. Either what has been done is bad enough that violation can result in severe sanction - as has happened to others at Harvard - or the standards have always been erroneous, aren't that important, and should have their consequences scrapped or diminished.
It can't be both, and it can't be special for those with power or status. Otherwise, what are we really arguing for here?
Universities are a total mess. I've been shouting about the antisemitism problem in the social sciences for years. One can do a search on my DU history and find posts where BehindtheAegis and I were discussing it long before October 7th. So, I'm definitely going to take this opportunity and public consciousness of the problem to argue for reform in the social sciences and campus policies.
What I really hate about the situation, however, is how a push to finally - finally - address campus antisemitism is getting obscured with, "Republicans hate education, too!" as if a disdain for bigotry is the exact same motive as right-wingers.
Reflexive defense is how institutions can become corrupt, decadent, and insular, because a mindset settles in that the institution must always be protected against outsiders. I see that happening here, where antisemitism and poor policy are getting a defense because Republicans smell blood in the water. But opponents will often exploit weaknesses. The solution isn't to hide the weakness. The solution is to fix it.
yardwork
(68,323 posts)If this were a flyer put up by BLM or a gay rights group on campus, thousands of protesters would descend on this student. But because these are victims of HAMAS, who are cast as "freedom fighters," this student acts as she did with impunity.
I'll check out the NYT column.
Sympthsical
(10,734 posts)Let me see if I can dig it up. It involves a student at NYU who was tearing down pictures of hostages, including children, and was filmed smugly grinning as she did it. She was proud of what she was doing, and she didn't care who saw. She wanted to be seen, because she thought she'd receive social approval and adulation for her actions.
Well, she was identified, and the university voided her scholarship which has caused her all kinds of problems.
She cannot figure out why she's facing consequences. She thinks she's the world's biggest victim and that life is so unfair. She cannot comprehend that her behavior was bad (and the interviewer nodding along sympathetically is not helping matters in the slightest. Adult enablers of this stuff are at the root of the problem).
The total lack of a moral compass blows my mind. It sometimes just looks like plain sociopathy. But it's not. It's a lack of self-awareness, ignorance of social norms, and a heaping dolloping of main character syndrome. They were taught this is completely normal behavior. We talk about bigotry and dehumanization, but how did we end up with a system that reinforces these things out of one side of its mouth while condemning it out the other?
The social sciences are just broken right now, but they will never self-reform. There are too many incentives and rewards for perpetuating the problems, and way way too many people willing to defend it by going full scorched earth on critics. The pressure has to come from the outside. And, of course, anyone from the outside is automatically labeled a right-winger. That's the tactic to resist fixing problems. It has worked remarkably well for a long time, but I'm hoping enough impetus is building up to change it now that masks are just flying off all over the place.
Found the interview:
yardwork
(68,323 posts)The biased framing by the interviewer, the lead-in, the utter cluelessness on the part of this student that she is not the victim here....
I noticed that George Mason University also used the lame "both sides" approach in response to "doxxing."
(IMO it's not doxxing if you're recorded doing something hateful and you actually perform for the recording, as the student at George Mason did. When you theatrically tear up a flyer, show disdain and contempt with your body language and words, all while knowingly being recorded, it's not doxxing when people get angry with you. Didn't we learn this in kindergarten? WTH?)
Edited to add: the interviewer says she's "barred" from off-campus housing, but it turns out that NYU simply declined to cover off-campus housing, since she chose to move out of her dorm. Declining to pay for something isn't "barring" her. She goes on to say that NYU is denying her access to higher education - because she violated the terms of her scholarship and lost it! Her sense of entitlement is breathtaking. And the dweeb interviewing her is enabling it all and feeding her sense of grievance.
WhiskeyGrinder
(25,818 posts)maxrandb
(16,914 posts)I might care about this, if it were truly about plagiarism, or antisemitism...it's not!
This is nothing more than moneyed Retrumplican interests trying to control education.
They will not stop.
The only thing that would make them happy would be if Harvard hired Dennis Prager as college president
Ignore this. It does nothing to reduce the cost of eggs.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)From a quarter century ago. It also has nothing to do with donations (her "only job" according to some) or strictly enforcing "rules" at Harvard (which depends on who is the subject of the enforcement). This has to do with one thing and one thing only. The false accusations of antisemitism, which didn't get her fired like the Penn president, so suddenly now she has to go because of this? What will it be next, she gave a funny look to a big donor?
BTW, these threats by donors and other supporters of the purge are not nearly as important as they think. Harvard currently has an endowment of over $50B, far more than any other university. Somehow I think it will survive.
SarahD
(1,732 posts)The Big Donor attack is well underway. They will prevail.
Ms. Toad
(37,885 posts)But as a law review editor I can tell you that a large portion of law school faculty make similar mistakes. At least at the school I attended, the first year in law review is spent cite checking articles selected for publication. The expectation of law school faculty (the bulk of the contributors to our law review), seems to be that the editors will take care of the details so why bother. I spent way too many hours adding quotation marks, fine tuning the citation, suggesting rewording so the page wasn't just a long series of very short quotes. And - in checking a citation at the end of a paragraph I often discovered the entire paragraph was inspired by the matching paragraph in the cited article.
I would suspect that a microscopic review of the published papers of most of Harvard's faculty (or of any university) would find similar problems.
Should she be held to the same standards as everyone else? Yes. But are others being held to that standard? How many of her peers have had the microscopic review of their work? If not, why not? Is this just being used as a convenient excuse to get rid of an inconveniewnt (black female) president?
MichMan
(16,080 posts)Unless it is "for thee, but not me" ,just drop policies against it and quit enforcing any penalties on students.