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orangecrush

(19,711 posts)
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 04:56 PM Feb 2024

The term MAGAT has been banned


On another website that supports Democrats.

I don't want to name drop, but it starts with "Daily".

I logged in and received a notice that the term "MAGATS" is derogatory, and I had to click an affirmation that I would not use the term again.

Please enlighten me as to why those vile pieces of sh*t deserve such courtesy.

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The term MAGAT has been banned (Original Post) orangecrush Feb 2024 OP
Delusional thinking that MAGAts can be "reached". bluesbassman Feb 2024 #1
+1. They might not join, but perhaps they will be less murderous dalton99a Feb 2024 #6
It's not about reaching them. It's about ** us ** not using Hitler terminology Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #121
Good point Roy Rolling Feb 2024 #125
The "T" azureblue Feb 2024 #156
No, it really iS NOT. Appeasing a bully or Fascists through history... Give me ONE example where that hlthe2b Feb 2024 #161
I'm with you, 100%. Paladin Feb 2024 #168
Wow - it's as if you didn't bother reading the post you replied to muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #190
Stop the attacks on me and others! We have EVERY right to express our opinions. hlthe2b Feb 2024 #194
The point is, your opinion was an attack on a DUer muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #195
No. It was not. Will you accuse Paladin of the same who agreed WITH ME 100%? hlthe2b Feb 2024 #196
Do you really need that much support that you need to blame someone else too? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #197
Ahh, your second attack. Keep it up. hlthe2b Feb 2024 #198
I think Roosevelt and Churchill were probably the ones saying nasty things about fascists, not Hitler. D23MIURG23 Feb 2024 #153
That's a fair point Bernardo. bluesbassman Feb 2024 #155
They want to kill me with their policies & women like me--take away my freedom to even travel hlthe2b Feb 2024 #160
All of what you say is true, and I abhor and reject every aspect of their actions and goals. bluesbassman Feb 2024 #163
To fail to address them as they attack us in even the least derogatory way, as with a homophone term hlthe2b Feb 2024 #167
This message was self-deleted by its author ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #186
This. Absolutely. brush Feb 2024 #229
I don't like repug, or repuke, etc. - I wouldn't mind a site banning any of them. thesquanderer Feb 2024 #174
OFFS.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2024 #217
You need to read my post again. I said NOTHING about hurting their feelings Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #220
Magat is forbidden by who? brush Feb 2024 #228
If the shoe fits Walleye Feb 2024 #2
I try to refrain from name calling. SarahD Feb 2024 #3
I think the opposite is probably true. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #23
To me all the childish names come off as "Free Republic" and too much like the damn MAGAts LiberalArkie Feb 2024 #70
I avoid it too, but sometimes it just feels right Bucky Feb 2024 #169
Treat the assholes with the utmost kindness so they won't be such assholes anymore dalton99a Feb 2024 #4
End up being mistreated I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2024 #101
"As kindness among magats is seen as weakness" Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #127
Sarcasm, right? liberalla Feb 2024 #173
Can't say I disagree, I usually shake my head at grown adults using school yard insults and wanting to be taken serious. tritsofme Feb 2024 #5
Oh, please... hlthe2b Feb 2024 #8
They want to kill us orangecrush Feb 2024 #10
That description sounds a lot more damning than a silly insult. tritsofme Feb 2024 #22
You aren't required to. triron Feb 2024 #43
Hey, just letting you know how it looks to most adults. tritsofme Feb 2024 #49
YOUR personal opinion John Shaft Feb 2024 #61
I think it's quite a fair assessment. tritsofme Feb 2024 #68
How many MAGAts were included in your survey? How many non-evangelicals? Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #88
and i think it is NOT "quite a fair assessment" orleans Feb 2024 #189
I second that! Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #128
It reeks of puritanical, holier-than-thou, sanctimonious John Shaft Feb 2024 #181
This adult begs to differ. wryter2000 Feb 2024 #84
LOLZ GuppyGal Feb 2024 #103
You speak for most adults? Mr. Mustard 2023 Feb 2024 #165
You should understand since you do it so frequently yourself Doc Sportello Feb 2024 #159
While I'm tickled you are such a prolific reader of my posts, I don't really see your point. tritsofme Feb 2024 #182
Exactly. mountain grammy Feb 2024 #42
seriously mobeau69 Feb 2024 #34
these types of insults are like psyops. It makes the term MAGA toxic to the uninitiated. wyldwolf Feb 2024 #75
Exactly wryter2000 Feb 2024 #87
MAGA is an acronym... druidity33 Feb 2024 #123
MAGA Slammer Feb 2024 #213
I know that wryter2000 Feb 2024 #225
If it pisses them off, I'm all for it. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2024 #106
Do you call Biden's use of "maga Republicans" a schoolyard insult? nt LAS14 Feb 2024 #192
No, not remotely the same. tritsofme Feb 2024 #204
Make America Great Again Trumpists. How can that be anything but MAGATs? hlthe2b Feb 2024 #7
Next they'll ban you if you call Trump old or fat dalton99a Feb 2024 #11
Yup. Apparently Dems are not supposed to fight back at all. Bullshit. hlthe2b Feb 2024 #12
I'm not sure how a bunch of silly names constitutes "fighting back". TwilightZone Feb 2024 #25
You know that it is emblematic. If a silly acronym is TOO MUCH for some then I don't think hlthe2b Feb 2024 #27
Sure, and advertisements don't work, either. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #85
"When they go low, we go high" DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #112
the high road azureblue Feb 2024 #157
Some people here lose their shit if you call him fat. edisdead Feb 2024 #48
Being fat druidity33 Feb 2024 #124
Trump claims to be 6'3" and 215 pounds. Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #131
I didn't call him fat. edisdead Feb 2024 #164
No, you just said... druidity33 Feb 2024 #216
can we still call him orange? orleans Feb 2024 #199
Orange you glad I didn't call him fat? JoseBalow Feb 2024 #235
..its about spelling.. thomski64 Feb 2024 #18
Yeah it's "derogatory" like the Fucking Treasonous Cha Feb 2024 #9
+1 dalton99a Feb 2024 #13
Thank you! PortTack Feb 2024 #114
So who says they don't deserve "derogatory". lpbk2713 Feb 2024 #14
ReThug Tetrachloride Feb 2024 #15
I always spell it MAGAt so I wonder if that would be more acceptable. OMGWTF Feb 2024 #16
This is what got me banned from DK markodochartaigh Feb 2024 #94
I would stop going there if they're going to be Emile Feb 2024 #17
+1 What the hell is going on with Markos Moulitsas? hlthe2b Feb 2024 #19
Dear Daily POS: lastlib Feb 2024 #20
My apology to maggots lame54 Feb 2024 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #184
Funkadelic Kid Berwyn Feb 2024 #24
A-MAAAYYYY-ZING Guitar PTL_Mancuso Feb 2024 #149
Such a glorious and legendary Album....Such beauty can't exist in their universe. cayugafalls Feb 2024 #227
As if I'll allow the trump thugs to govern the vocabulary. Paladin Feb 2024 #26
I usually self-censor silly name calling out of my own posts Silent3 Feb 2024 #28
Much different site - different standards getagrip_already Feb 2024 #29
I think that's probably as good an explanation as any. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #38
They pay some of their staff Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #56
All news sites are struggling - even du with much lower costs getagrip_already Feb 2024 #64
I thank you for that information. Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #133
I really didn't like them replacing writers with AP ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #188
I don't really notice THAT much AP stuff on the front page... DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #241
Oh, it's daily now, and they hang around forever while more deserving diaries get pushed off. ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #242
I would accept that reasoning... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #60
Their editorial content is "world class?" Really? hlthe2b Feb 2024 #119
Actually, I find their editorial staff to be rather weak minded. If they aspire to "but her emails" MSMism... NNadir Feb 2024 #158
I don't read their site, so just curious: marybourg Feb 2024 #206
I still call those folks Tea Baggers. multigraincracker Feb 2024 #30
I also refuse to let them live that down JoseBalow Feb 2024 #47
And the Koch bros let these Frankensteins out. GreenWave Feb 2024 #59
call them maggots. Wonder Why Feb 2024 #31
I will stop when Magats stop using Democrat as an adjective. gab13by13 Feb 2024 #32
I use the term MuseRider Feb 2024 #33
But calling us Libtards and DemocRats is ok? Funtatlaguy Feb 2024 #35
yes, yes that is perfectly okay because they are simply deplorable and are expected to do such things orleans Feb 2024 #201
Remember, there's a big difference between stooping low and bending over JoseBalow Feb 2024 #236
As far as insults go, that's a pretty mild one. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #36
I will stop calling them maggots, when they stop Butterflylady Feb 2024 #37
I thought I already compromised by calling them trumpturds JoseBalow Feb 2024 #39
omg! i don't think i've ever heard that one! orleans Feb 2024 #202
The compromise is that I won't spell it JoseBalow Feb 2024 #205
P01135809's diaper squeezins ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #223
They coined the term MAGA. yardwork Feb 2024 #40
Fuck 'em. I'll call them whatever I damn well feel like calling 'em. calimary Feb 2024 #41
Funny how they LOVED the term "snowflakes" spewed it 24/7. Bengus81 Feb 2024 #143
Kinda makes you want to ask - "who's the snowflake now?" calimary Feb 2024 #145
Can they use "libtard" on Kos? Just asking for clarity. LakeArenal Feb 2024 #44
Start using Trumpanzee. Hugin Feb 2024 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #200
Spelling? sumus Feb 2024 #46
Lol that's so lame Oneironaut Feb 2024 #50
It's one of DK's rules not to use dehumanizing language Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #51
How silly. BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #55
Go back and examine the language the Nazi's used against Jews, long before the camps Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #58
Oh no I'm well aware of all of that BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #65
It's about the banality of evil Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #82
I've been to the Nazi Documentation Center in Nuremberg and Dachau BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #221
0h I think we've got some Reinhard Heydrichs all right, speak easy Feb 2024 #99
You might have a point there BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #222
I fully agree with... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #71
Agreed! The MAGAT mindset is completely incompatible with a democratic nation PTL_Mancuso Feb 2024 #150
American G.I.s orangecrush Feb 2024 #78
What did they refer to the Japanese as? Or the Iraqi's and Afghani's in those wars? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #89
In USMC basic training orangecrush Feb 2024 #92
This is possibly one of the worst analogies I have ever seen, at best trivializing, at worst obscene. n/t. NNadir Feb 2024 #171
Trump has labeled us "vermin" who must be eliminated Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #175
Bullshit. Julius Streicher was hung at Nuremberg for "crimes against humanity." NNadir Feb 2024 #179
THEY created MAGA, self-named and they are TRUMPISTS. This whole thing is ridiculous. hlthe2b Feb 2024 #116
Ponder this The Wizard Feb 2024 #137
See Response #141. Duplicate threads do not make your point valid. hlthe2b Feb 2024 #142
ponder this The Wizard Feb 2024 #138
So you attack all of DU as no better than "NAZIS?" hlthe2b Feb 2024 #141
I wonder how they feel about MuseRider Feb 2024 #52
How about these derivations of the word MAGAT ... aggiesal Feb 2024 #53
It Is The Other Way Around... The Conductor Feb 2024 #54
There is an element here that would like to police our language as well. BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #57
OMG..LOL! LeftInTX Feb 2024 #66
No... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #62
Will they ban Nazi next? UpInArms Feb 2024 #63
Can I still use Teabagger? Sneederbunk Feb 2024 #67
Sure, I still do. Seems quaint, by todays standards, doesn't it? RussellCattle Feb 2024 #115
I have no problem with calling them magats, Progressive dog Feb 2024 #69
Being a MAGAT is not a protected class swong19104 Feb 2024 #72
'MAGAT' MOCKS CHOICES THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION HAS REPEATEDLY MADE! ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #207
I've always been partial to... AnrothElf Feb 2024 #73
The do look all alike like Oompa-Loompas, don't they? ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #208
Yes! And he does too. Down to the orange skin. AnrothElf Feb 2024 #224
Eh, every website has the right to make its own rules. ShazzieB Feb 2024 #74
Daily what Rebl2 Feb 2024 #76
Rebl2, I'm going to assume it's Daily Kos. Niagara Feb 2024 #139
Seems a little silly Warpy Feb 2024 #77
Wait until they hear canetoad Feb 2024 #79
It's insulting to bugs ... lol however relayerbob Feb 2024 #80
Screw them! Grumpy Old Guy Feb 2024 #81
It's meant to be derogatory wryter2000 Feb 2024 #83
Traitors, insurrectionists, fascists? CloudWatcher Feb 2024 #86
Because name calling is the sort of juvenile thing Trump does? brooklynite Feb 2024 #90
Magat, magat, magat, magat, magat, magat, magat. brush Feb 2024 #91
Magat. Scrivener7 Feb 2024 #136
Ugghhhh. SMH. ecstatic Feb 2024 #93
Apparently orangecrush Feb 2024 #96
Well republicans become a little sensitive about names they call themselves. republianmushroom Feb 2024 #95
Oh FFS Blue Owl Feb 2024 #97
How about we instead use... "FOTSF" ? Pluvious Feb 2024 #98
I LIKE that one! It's smarter than MAGAt ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #203
just call them FASCISTS RANDYWILDMAN Feb 2024 #100
The maggots try to sound all upper crust tavernier Feb 2024 #102
Do you WAAANT to come back to my place? JoseBalow Feb 2024 #237
I have no problem going back to DEPLORABLES LOL This adult wants to insult !!!!! GuppyGal Feb 2024 #104
The term MAGA itself has been gaining derogatory connotations andym Feb 2024 #105
Have they banned the phrase "Democrat Party" because that sure as hell is derogatory also. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2024 #107
Just call them ChumpHumpers, I'm sure that will go over well FakeNoose Feb 2024 #108
To hell with their delicate sensibilities limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #109
Probably because they don't want to sink low to the same level of the name calling Republicans do to Democrats. ZonkerHarris Feb 2024 #110
That has been their policy for at least the last six months, or longer..... DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #111
So sorry that Trumpanzees are MAGATs. Thoughts and prayers. Kennah Feb 2024 #113
I'm fine with dehumanizing them. llmart Feb 2024 #117
I'm guessing it's Kos. He may be a Democrat working to elect Democrats, but he's not the brightest bulb on the planet. NNadir Feb 2024 #118
I stopped using magat when tRump used the Hitler "vermin" phraseology Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #120
Not true, Bernardo. They and RW media have referred to themselves as MAGA Trumpists for years now. hlthe2b Feb 2024 #144
I've never seen "MAGA Trumpists" on reich-wing sites. Tons of "MAGA". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #146
Even Fox has referred to them that way (MAGA Trumpists as opposed to non-Trump conservatives/R's) hlthe2b Feb 2024 #147
That's been a rule there... druidity33 Feb 2024 #122
I used to get on the Kos site years back. Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #126
There was a time when some Dems didn't want to fight wyldwolf Feb 2024 #129
Well we certainly wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. PCIntern Feb 2024 #130
Cult members are essentially snowflakes Zambero Feb 2024 #132
Well, have you ever opened a box of cereal and found a maggot in it? 3Hotdogs Feb 2024 #134
Oh, dear. And we mustn't disparage the MAGATs. Scrivener7 Feb 2024 #135
Those Make America Great Again Terrorist don't deserve any courtesy. Niagara Feb 2024 #140
They don't deserve courtesy claudette Feb 2024 #148
Because some Dems think it's courteous to take cookies to a street fight. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2024 #151
What would Joe Biden do? Shermann Feb 2024 #152
That doesn't sound Democratic to me. Deb Feb 2024 #154
I deleted it from my bookmarks 2 years ago or so wolfie001 Feb 2024 #162
I am very disapointed Glaisne Feb 2024 #166
So is " repug " the next one on the chopping block? KS Toronado Feb 2024 #170
Is this a bad time to.... jerkyEd Feb 2024 #172
This made me LoL BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #178
Nice play on words there. Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #211
I see ... AncientOfDays Feb 2024 #176
I'm always for calling them MAGATS LW1977 Feb 2024 #177
Howdy fellow jailbird! ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #185
They now prefer to be called "MAGAdonians" Generic Brad Feb 2024 #180
These people are clear that they want to outright murder us yet some worry that calling them MAGAt is too offensive. hadEnuf Feb 2024 #183
My thoughts orangecrush Feb 2024 #191
Yeah, history has shown us that trying to reason with viscous brainwashed Nazis hadEnuf Feb 2024 #214
Truth orangecrush Feb 2024 #234
I'd prefer that the decision be discussed, openly and thoroughly. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2024 #187
The story of The Bopper Feb 2024 #193
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? LAS14 Feb 2024 #209
Have you been away a while? orangecrush Feb 2024 #210
I was away in Sept/Oct and not very active since then. LAS14 Feb 2024 #219
Thanks orangecrush Feb 2024 #233
On fascism Slammer Feb 2024 #212
Is "Let's Go Brandon" banned too? Emile Feb 2024 #215
Nope orangecrush Feb 2024 #232
How about the term.."MAGA person(s)"? ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2024 #218
Yes, apparently orangecrush Feb 2024 #231
Can you at least still call them vile pieces of shit? CrispyQ Feb 2024 #226
Absolutely! orangecrush Feb 2024 #230
I'm really a home body Conjuay Feb 2024 #238
Well, so much for my plans to join "Daily"... The Unmitigated Gall Feb 2024 #239
It still hasn't sunk in orangecrush Feb 2024 #240
Can I call them "neo-confederates" then? nt Justice matters. Feb 2024 #243
By all means orangecrush Feb 2024 #244
Do they also ban reference to "Democrat Party"? I doubt it. SunSeeker Feb 2024 #245

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,144 posts)
121. It's not about reaching them. It's about ** us ** not using Hitler terminology
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:45 AM
Feb 2024

I stopped.

I realized, when tRump referred to "vermin" and "poisoning blood" the way Hitler did, that calling them maggots (magats) was the same kind of thing.

Now I just write "maga", lower case. I don't dignify the deplorables with capitals. Readers will silently add a 't' as they read if they are in the old habit.

Roy Rolling

(6,953 posts)
125. Good point
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:29 AM
Feb 2024

I just don’t know how to rationalize that MAGAs created the brand MAGA so it is the root word of their own choosing—MAGA.

They wear red hats of the MAGA brand, calling them MAGAts seems fair game but I understand the point.

azureblue

(2,162 posts)
156. The "T"
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:03 AM
Feb 2024

is for Trump. I just add "rump" to the now forbidden word.

And some times I use the word "Fox holes" to refer to them..

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
161. No, it really iS NOT. Appeasing a bully or Fascists through history... Give me ONE example where that
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:24 AM
Feb 2024

has been successful. Just one.

Trump's MAGA supporters gleefuly propose policies to take away the rights of women, LGBTQ, POC, and immigrants. Some of those policies equate to and have already HAD murderous repercussions. And you are worried about an acronym that they, themselves originated--with a phonetic (homophone) derogatory meaning?

Give me a damned break. I guess you'll just stay home on election day. Don't want to risk hurting some MAGA voter's feelings after all.

Paladin

(28,306 posts)
168. I'm with you, 100%.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:08 PM
Feb 2024

I am so tired of Democrats kneecapping themselves with pointless good manners. If ever there was a crowd that was unworthy of best-behavior treatment, it's trump and his scumbag worshippers. Save the politeness for those who genuinely deserve it, and fight those who want to destroy us.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,463 posts)
190. Wow - it's as if you didn't bother reading the post you replied to
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:18 PM
Feb 2024

They gave understandable reasons, and instead you just went and assumed something quite different, with a ridiculous " I guess you'll just stay home on election day". What was the point of you posting at all?

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
194. Stop the attacks on me and others! We have EVERY right to express our opinions.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:32 PM
Feb 2024

Whether YOU like them or not. That attack is your freebie today, but I'd suggest checking yourself.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,463 posts)
195. The point is, your opinion was an attack on a DUer
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:39 PM
Feb 2024

The bit about "not voting". You want to be able to attack DUers without criticism.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
196. No. It was not. Will you accuse Paladin of the same who agreed WITH ME 100%?
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:41 PM
Feb 2024

Or is this just another one of your personal issues with me? Stalk someone else.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,463 posts)
197. Do you really need that much support that you need to blame someone else too?
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:44 PM
Feb 2024

Fine, Paladin was wrong to agree with you .

I had no idea that I had "personal issues" with you. I guess that means I disagreed with something you said in the past two decades.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
198. Ahh, your second attack. Keep it up.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:45 PM
Feb 2024

Others can see what you are doing (and may have experienced themselves)..

D23MIURG23

(2,857 posts)
153. I think Roosevelt and Churchill were probably the ones saying nasty things about fascists, not Hitler.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:39 AM
Feb 2024

I don't think most historically literate people blame them for it.

BTW Hitler was a villain because he waged unjust wars of aggression, blamed all of Germany's problems on a few groups of minorities, and then had them exterminated. Not because he was making justifiable criticisms too harshly.

bluesbassman

(19,389 posts)
155. That's a fair point Bernardo.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:58 AM
Feb 2024

Perhaps I’ll just refer to them as Trump cultists moving forward. MAGA, even in lower case, gives legitimacy to their so-called movement, while Trump cultist is really what they are at this point.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
160. They want to kill me with their policies & women like me--take away my freedom to even travel
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:19 AM
Feb 2024

from state to state... invade my home to investigate if they think I might have miscarried a pregnancy. They gleefully watch children and their immigrant mothers drown--caught in the barbed wire they purposely erected across the Rio Grande River. Ask LGBTQ what they have in mind for THEM. Or POC. Every day it is a new deadly policy not so distinct from that of other Fascists in history or even Hitler.

And you want to appease THESE people with kind words? JHC! With supporters who wiill not deign to fight back, are many of us are doomed? It certainly would seem so. Well, not ME. If the worst they hear from me is "MAGAT" then I have not even BEGUN to fight back.

bluesbassman

(19,389 posts)
163. All of what you say is true, and I abhor and reject every aspect of their actions and goals.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:44 AM
Feb 2024

But the point was not about them, it is about us. I freely admit that I have routinely used the term MAGAt when referring to these people and I meant it in a highly derogatory way that I believe they've earned. But does that really do US any good? Bernardo's post encouraged me to look at MY motivation for using that slur and what it says about me. Yes, they are despicable people for the most part and I believe most will never change. If anything they'll just move on to the next authoritarian/fascist leader once Trump is gone. I will continue to point out the evil they perpetuate by referring to them as the cult members that they are and not giving legitimacy to their foul "movement".

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
167. To fail to address them as they attack us in even the least derogatory way, as with a homophone term
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:00 PM
Feb 2024

based on an acronym, that they, themselves created only serves to underscore their claims of our weakness. Sadly, they ARE the ignorant bullies on the playground who are never stopped with acquiescence, abeyance, and appeasement. Nor will we get the support of independents if we fail to FIGHT for all that puts democracy at risk. Showing we are terrified of even the mildest use of highly earned countering language is hardly the way to show that. For years we have been terrified via our media to call out LIES for what they are. Now we are afraid of an acronym that they created themselves and which happens to have a less positive homophone equivalent? Good gawd...

Focus on what is genuinely important. And that is not some term that hurts the feelings of those who want to kill democracy and quite literally to create policies that WILL kill people like myself and others on DU.

Response to hlthe2b (Reply #167)

thesquanderer

(12,014 posts)
174. I don't like repug, or repuke, etc. - I wouldn't mind a site banning any of them.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 01:25 PM
Feb 2024

To me, name calling is always diminishing, no matter who is doing it.

Sometimes I see something on DU and would forward it to some of my more open-minded right-leaning friends/relatives (possibly Republican, but not MAGA), and I don't send it because that infantile stuff is immediately going to turn them off (and in a sense reflect poorly on me for having recommended it).


Happy Hoosier

(7,524 posts)
217. OFFS....
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 10:09 AM
Feb 2024

By all means, let's not be offensive to the Fascists.

IMHO, we need to push back, and push back HARD. If that means a little name-calling (that plays DIRECTLY what they call themselves), then so be it.

We will not win this fight soft-pedaling things.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,144 posts)
220. You need to read my post again. I said NOTHING about hurting their feelings
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 11:35 AM
Feb 2024

Regarding your last sentence, if we assume your false premise and take your approach that we should be offensive, ... being nasty is no kind of antidote to soft-pedaling and fighting hard does not require any nastiness. The more emotion, the weaker the warrior. The clearer the person, the more focused and steely-edged they can be.

You are free, if you want, to snarl and say "magat" and offensive references to animal pests, but you get the greatest impact if you practice in front of a mirror. Of course though, offensive verbiage has no effect on magas.

In the meantime, there are many of us who don't wish to indulge in the kind of nazi name calling that they used to lay the groundwork so the populace would turn a blind eye to the cattle cars and one-way transportation.

Read my post again. For your convenience it is here:

121. It's not about reaching them. It's about ** us ** not using Hitler terminology

I stopped.

I realized, when tRump referred to "vermin" and "poisoning blood" the way Hitler did, that calling them maggots (magats) was the same kind of thing.

Now I just write "maga", lower case. I don't dignify the deplorables with capitals. Readers will silently add a 't' as they read if they are in the old habit.


I wrote about myself with the only broader reference being the "us" in the title, and it is clearly about not soft-pedaling, nor about penetrating their awareness. Keep on "reaching" magas by being offensive if you think it works.

SarahD

(1,403 posts)
3. I try to refrain from name calling.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:03 PM
Feb 2024

Even when it's super deserved. Not sure why. Maybe just a feeble attempt to be cool.

TwilightZone

(25,554 posts)
23. I think the opposite is probably true.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:21 PM
Feb 2024

All the cutesy and not-so-cutesy nicknames for Trump and other Republicans sometimes come off as trying too hard to be edgy or impress others.

I don't really have a problem with them, though I also think people tend to beat them to death.

LiberalArkie

(15,749 posts)
70. To me all the childish names come off as "Free Republic" and too much like the damn MAGAts
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:52 PM
Feb 2024

We try to act to civil though and it almost lost the democracy.

Bucky

(54,148 posts)
169. I avoid it too, but sometimes it just feels right
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:27 PM
Feb 2024

I know some people started using the number 45 because they couldn't stand to type out the word Trump, which is stupid. If you don't believe in magic, then there's no power in using a man's actual name.

But the worst part was calling him 45 made him seem like a legitimate part of the sequence of presidents who've held the office. I found "45" more offensive than his silly name

dalton99a

(81,796 posts)
4. Treat the assholes with the utmost kindness so they won't be such assholes anymore
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:03 PM
Feb 2024

Guaranteed to work 100%


I_UndergroundPanther

(12,524 posts)
101. End up being mistreated
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 11:36 PM
Feb 2024

As kindness among magats is seen as weakness.Dont appease bullies it makes them worse.

tritsofme

(17,472 posts)
5. Can't say I disagree, I usually shake my head at grown adults using school yard insults and wanting to be taken serious.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:04 PM
Feb 2024

orangecrush

(19,711 posts)
10. They want to kill us
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:08 PM
Feb 2024

They were roaming the Capitol on January 6th looking for Pelosi and Pence to do exactly that.
A bullet in one of them is the only thing that stopped them.

tritsofme

(17,472 posts)
22. That description sounds a lot more damning than a silly insult.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:20 PM
Feb 2024

I just don’t get why people get such a kick out of it.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,684 posts)
88. How many MAGAts were included in your survey? How many non-evangelicals?
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:47 PM
Feb 2024

How many people denied an abortion by the MAGA movement were included in the survey? How many LGBTQ+?

MAGAts are crawling through our government, at all levels, doing as much damage as they can, right now.

orleans

(34,135 posts)
189. and i think it is NOT "quite a fair assessment"
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:08 PM
Feb 2024

when you start speaking for MOST adults.

example: i think i speak for MOST women over the age of 18, for MOST frank zappa fans, for MOST everyone who likes chocolate ice cream and MOST of us are just fine with calling those fucking pieces of shits the m word: MAGATs.

talk about it again when republican assholes stop with the "libs" shit or chopping the word democratic down and ending it with RAT as in "the democRAT senator from illinois"

you know, really, fuck them







wryter2000

(46,186 posts)
84. This adult begs to differ.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:42 PM
Feb 2024

At least maggots grow into flies. MAGATs are just eating away at our society's norms and generally making life difficult.

Mr. Mustard 2023

(128 posts)
165. You speak for most adults?
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:54 AM
Feb 2024

I doubt it.

There are a group of Republicons in my family who berated me, insulted me and although I verbally fought them each and every time, veiled death threats started one Thanksgiving. In my own home that holiday.

In addition, every time I argued with them their anger increased motivating them to do more. When I pointed out their false logic and out right lies, they were incensed to the point they sent texts days later to my wife mind you, not me, with liberals are weakling memes.

I refuse to be in the same building with those people anymore because as I warned them, you threaten me again you will have a very bad day. I informed my wife and although she was disappointed, she agreed they had to stop and if they won't I was within my rights to beat them to a pulp.

Therefore, if I happen to be close to them again I am going to take the initiative and give them 5 seconds to get away before I humiliate them and punch them in the nose and more.

I WILL TAKE THE INITIATIVE and warned everyone that will happen.

I will not sit back knowing I'm surrounded by idiots calling me juvenile names, pretending to want to know my opinion then using it as fodder, or having my life threatened.

Again, I will take the first swing and I will call them anything I damn well please.

Doc Sportello

(7,560 posts)
159. You should understand since you do it so frequently yourself
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:15 AM
Feb 2024

Using petty insults (not to mention smearing fellow DUers with false attacks). Just some recent examples hurled at other members that you obviously enjoyed:

"They're becoming more and more like the Hamas monsters they so admire.

Probably nothing. Too many people only have the attention span for a single episode of Law & Order

Someone here is peddling propaganda

He's always been really good at issuing press releases! (About a Democratic Senate caucus member)

Utter nonsense. Our Speaker Emerita is incredibly perceptive. The fools are the Hamas sympathizers attacking her.

Yes, it really is quite pathetic to see how the pro-Hamas faction is reacting. (One of many attacking DU posters falsely claiming they support terrorists)"

Since almost all are nothing but one-line headlines, they are just personal attacks with no facts or reasoning. Not to mention hypocritical, considering this post.

tritsofme

(17,472 posts)
182. While I'm tickled you are such a prolific reader of my posts, I don't really see your point.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 02:56 PM
Feb 2024

I never said folks shouldn’t criticize these people, or even not be completely savage, I just don’t care for the silly made up words.

wryter2000

(46,186 posts)
225. I know that
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 12:40 PM
Feb 2024

I was commenting on if you add a t to MAGA, it sounds like maggot. Are they not flies? Do I have the wrong species?

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
7. Make America Great Again Trumpists. How can that be anything but MAGATs?
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:06 PM
Feb 2024

I gave up on Kos a very long time ago so... But, that is just stupid.

TwilightZone

(25,554 posts)
25. I'm not sure how a bunch of silly names constitutes "fighting back".
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:25 PM
Feb 2024

I don't have a problem with them (other than, perhaps, rampant overuse and over-generalization), but let's not pretend that they're accomplishing anything productive.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
27. You know that it is emblematic. If a silly acronym is TOO MUCH for some then I don't think
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:28 PM
Feb 2024

they are even remotely prepared for the fight to come. No. I will not support this nonsense. No one is hurt by telling the damned truth about these Trumpists---many who want to see us dead--they already are doing so with women of child-bearing age with abortion policies and have zero humanity when it comes to innocent immigrants, including children.

If this is what you think we should focus on then gawd help us all.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,568 posts)
112. "When they go low, we go high"
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:44 AM
Feb 2024

We "go high" but we lose the damned election, as well as the Supreme Court....


I guess we are supposed to be consolated by the idea that we are better people than they are,
if we didn't call them MAGAts.....


or "deplorables"-- which too many of them ARE


druidity33

(6,453 posts)
124. Being fat
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:05 AM
Feb 2024

does not make him the asshole that he is. Insulting him because of his weight IS INSULTING. And honestly, it makes me think less of the person hurling that insult. That'd be you, in this instance.


Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,014 posts)
131. Trump claims to be 6'3" and 215 pounds.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:50 AM
Feb 2024

And he has no problem with making derogatory remarks about how other people look, especially women.

He invites and richly deserves scorn and ridicule. Chris Christie is overweight but I don’t see him getting flamed about it on this site like Trump does. But Christie also doesn’t go around insulting others about their appearance like Trump does, either.



druidity33

(6,453 posts)
216. No, you just said...
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 10:04 AM
Feb 2024

"Some people lose their shit when you call him fat. That's ridiculous" Which, of course, implies that calling him fat is fine. Or that it's ridiculous to object to that criticism too strongly. I contend there are MANY things to criticize Trump for. His weight is irrelevant.



Cha

(298,369 posts)
9. Yeah it's "derogatory" like the Fucking Treasonous
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:08 PM
Feb 2024

Fascists they are.

Shame on those Telling it like it is.. NOT!

OMGWTF

(4,016 posts)
16. I always spell it MAGAt so I wonder if that would be more acceptable.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:13 PM
Feb 2024

If you mean the Daily Kos -- fk them -- I got kicked out years ago for saying that many intelligent people had questions about what happened on 9/11/01.

markodochartaigh

(1,207 posts)
94. This is what got me banned from DK
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 09:21 PM
Feb 2024

I think that faith clearly does have something to do with gun violence. It is a positive correlation. And having grown up around evilgelicals I'm not surprised. I remember hearing "Kill them all, let god sort them out." used in the context of many wars and US military interventions. I heard more than one Christian say that they hoped that they would die soon because heaven would be so much better. I remember reading that support for the death penalty even if some innocent people would be killed was around 70%; and then finding out that indeed most of the Christians that I asked were indeed for the death penalty even if innocent people were put to death

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
19. +1 What the hell is going on with Markos Moulitsas?
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:16 PM
Feb 2024

That is just a ridiculously naive' and self-defeating move.

lastlib

(23,459 posts)
20. Dear Daily POS:
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:17 PM
Feb 2024

MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT
MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT
MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT ....
MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT MAGAT

Response to lame54 (Reply #21)

Kid Berwyn

(15,250 posts)
24. Funkadelic
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:25 PM
Feb 2024
Maggot Brain

Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time
For y'all have knocked her up.
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own shit.

Go on, maggot brain
Go on, maggot brain



Kos can not get respect being nice to the NAZI.
 

PTL_Mancuso

(276 posts)
149. A-MAAAYYYY-ZING Guitar
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:11 AM
Feb 2024

Grungy gritty ghetto guitar. Eddie Hazel axing the right questions. Right-on P-Funk

cayugafalls

(5,674 posts)
227. Such a glorious and legendary Album....Such beauty can't exist in their universe.
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 01:10 PM
Feb 2024

Maggot Brain, George and Eddie...

We will never give in to the madness.

Paladin

(28,306 posts)
26. As if I'll allow the trump thugs to govern the vocabulary.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:26 PM
Feb 2024

As Benjamin Franklin famously said: "Fuck that shit."

Silent3

(15,490 posts)
28. I usually self-censor silly name calling out of my own posts
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:30 PM
Feb 2024

For instance, I always say "Republicans", not "rethuglicans" or "repukes" or the like. Not out of courtesy to Republicans, but because I think such wording isn't rhetorically effective, and just comes across as childish.

"MAGAts", however, I find damned useful. It covers a lot more ground than merely saying "Republicans". It pulls in the full ugliness and insanity of the Trumpism which has so thoroughly infected the Republican party.

getagrip_already

(15,138 posts)
29. Much different site - different standards
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:35 PM
Feb 2024

That site aspires to be seen as conforming to journalistic standards. They pay their staff, and their editorial content is world class.

They expect the same from their citizen journalists, which all the members are considered.

You don't have to like it. Just don't post there.

I'm fine with it, and abide by their rules, even though I freely use magat here.

TwilightZone

(25,554 posts)
38. I think that's probably as good an explanation as any.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:02 PM
Feb 2024

I posted something similar. They take themselves seriously as an organization and are probably trying to make the comments, etc., better representative of that.

That being said, there are a lot more offensive nicknames than that, so they might have their work cut out for them.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,741 posts)
56. They pay some of their staff
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:27 PM
Feb 2024

But after laying off 20-25% of their non-management staff, mostly writers who had unionized and were working without a contract for two years, DK has relied increasingly on reposting stories from third party sources such as AP, as well as unpaid content from community members.

The few remaining front page writers are the senior, non-union “management” staff.

And, despite being based in Silicon Valley, DK has one of the worst web designs of any political forums I’ve ever visited- the site is completely unviewable without an ad blocker, and still struggles to function properly most days.

getagrip_already

(15,138 posts)
64. All news sites are struggling - even du with much lower costs
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:39 PM
Feb 2024

Face it, the numbers are not kind to any news oriented website. Especially a progressive member supported site.

The fact that he pays staff at all is laudable. Nobody is getting rich in this business. Lots of very good sites have folded.

I'm sorry your vision of nirvana isn't realized.

But here is an idea. Start your own site. No, really, it's easy. With AI tools and a few bucks you can have your own blog site with everything you want.

No rules, no moderators, no advertisers, no fees, lots of great content!

I'll be the first to sign up. Just send me the link.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,338 posts)
188. I really didn't like them replacing writers with AP
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 04:39 PM
Feb 2024

And damn near every time I go there, an AP story, always with a twisting of the words like using 'terrorists' for people at the border, for example, is at the top of the page or is trending high if they aren't right there - while still censoring people who use a certain letter.

I come here much more now

DemocraticPatriot

(4,568 posts)
241. I don't really notice THAT much AP stuff on the front page...
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 11:12 PM
Feb 2024

maybe one article every odd day.... but now I will have to pay attention.


hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
119. Their editorial content is "world class?" Really?
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:08 AM
Feb 2024

Okay. Honestly, I've never seen that in the 20-odd years they've been around, but admittedly I am not a regular visitor nowadays. If they have emerged with that standard, good for them. I have not seen their "world class" editorial content regularly picked up elsewhere though or at least outside the usual Democratic blogs and social media.

Many years ago I would occasionally see Markos Moulitsas appear as a commentator on MSNBC or perhaps CNN as a political commentator but that has been a very long time ago. Perhaps that suggests motivation to become a more mainstream site as some suggest.

NNadir

(33,621 posts)
158. Actually, I find their editorial staff to be rather weak minded. If they aspire to "but her emails" MSMism...
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:15 AM
Feb 2024

...they're doing a pretty good job at "both sidesism."

If they want to be Fox News with a liberal spin, they're not doing a very good job of it.

I rarely go over there to learn anything but rather to assure myself of that they're just whiners, as opposed to honest reporters.
Occasionally, especially when examples of the bad thinking is reposted here, particularly about science, I comment, particularly when their "paid staff" engages in hyperbole that is, frankly, highly misleading and bordering on dangerous:

Some remarks on purported fraud concerned with αβ oligomer hypothesis in Alzheimer's research.

I'm personally not fond of "journalists" at all. I often joke here, and sometimes reflecting on the "journalists" at Daily Kos, that one cannot get a degree in journalism if one has passed a college level science course with a grade of C or better.

At DU we can express our righteous anger. We need to do so, and being polite to the detestable is both intellectually and morally week, although it may be what regrettably passes for "journalism" in the 21st century.

marybourg

(12,657 posts)
206. I don't read their site, so just curious:
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 06:55 PM
Feb 2024

Do they allow their commenters to call the Democratic party the “democrat party”?

multigraincracker

(32,811 posts)
30. I still call those folks Tea Baggers.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:37 PM
Feb 2024

That’s a name they they called themselves, until they found out what it meant. I think I’m being polite.

gab13by13

(21,616 posts)
32. I will stop when Magats stop using Democrat as an adjective.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:41 PM
Feb 2024

Here I was worried about offending people who were partial to maggots.

I live among them, Magat isn't strong enough.

MuseRider

(34,156 posts)
33. I use the term
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:44 PM
Feb 2024

because it is descriptive and they did not like tea baggers so I had to let that one go. There are far worse things that they could be called but Magats was the least nasty word I could think of and one I would let myself say. So sorry, glad I do not post there.

orleans

(34,135 posts)
201. yes, yes that is perfectly okay because they are simply deplorable and are expected to do such things
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 06:11 PM
Feb 2024

while we, on the other hand, are far more congenial. we can be annoyed but not angry and therefore are not allowed to stoop so low.





TwilightZone

(25,554 posts)
36. As far as insults go, that's a pretty mild one.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:52 PM
Feb 2024

Curious that Daily Whatever has chosen to ban that particular one. There are tons of others that are much more offensive.

They tend to take themselves seriously as an journalistic organization, so perhaps they're trying to make the comment section a little more representative of that.

Butterflylady

(3,570 posts)
37. I will stop calling them maggots, when they stop
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 05:53 PM
Feb 2024

Calling death threats on various democrats and those supporting democrats. Death threats are a lot worse because people take them literally.

orleans

(34,135 posts)
202. omg! i don't think i've ever heard that one!
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 06:14 PM
Feb 2024

it's really funny because it actually seems to fit (and it's kinda gross!)


calimary

(81,675 posts)
41. Fuck 'em. I'll call them whatever I damn well feel like calling 'em.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:07 PM
Feb 2024

It’s THEIR turn to “shut up and get over it”.

Bengus81

(6,945 posts)
143. Funny how they LOVED the term "snowflakes" spewed it 24/7.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 09:50 AM
Feb 2024

Guess they need to look in the mirror on the endless Taylor Swift bitching and conspiracy theory's. Big,tough MAGOTS can't handle that petite woman.

Response to Hugin (Reply #45)

Fiendish Thingy

(15,741 posts)
51. It's one of DK's rules not to use dehumanizing language
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:20 PM
Feb 2024

The use of dehumanizing language, such as vermin, or MAGAts (that is, maggots) is an early step towards full eliminationist language, which leads to crimes against humanity, including genocide.

It’s a rule I agree with.

It’s not about being nice, or avoiding hurting Trump cultist’s feelings.

The English language has a variety of ways to express contempt and outrage without sinking to the language used by fascists.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,741 posts)
58. Go back and examine the language the Nazi's used against Jews, long before the camps
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:33 PM
Feb 2024

Taking eliminationist rhetoric seriously is not “silly”.

Like I said, intelligent people can find many ways of expressing contempt and outrage without resorting to the tactics of fascists.

BannonsLiver

(16,556 posts)
65. Oh no I'm well aware of all of that
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:39 PM
Feb 2024

But unless you think we’ve got some Reinhard Heydrichs or Heinrich Himmlers just waiting to be activated by some colorful language about trump supporters among our membership of mostly progressive retirees, then it’s just seems pretty silly and over the top to apply that historical lesson here. Maybe I have more faith in our humanity.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,741 posts)
82. It's about the banality of evil
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:38 PM
Feb 2024

I’ve visited the Gestapo museum in Berlin, where they named the names, and pictures of everyday Germans- accountants, clerks, secretaries, dock workers, etc. who all were exposed to the dehumanizing, eliminationist language used against the Jews, and then did their mundane jobs to aid in the extermination of those Jews, whether it was loading canisters of Zyklon onto trucks, sending checks for the canisters to the suppliers, typing up the orders for the canisters, etc. Nobody flinched, because they were all being good Germans, doing their part to eliminate the “vermin” in their country.

BannonsLiver

(16,556 posts)
221. I've been to the Nazi Documentation Center in Nuremberg and Dachau
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 12:08 PM
Feb 2024

It’s not a peeing contest. What it’s about is other folks trying to police speech using some misguided apples to oranges comparison about elimination language because they think it applies here. It really doesn’t. The end.

BannonsLiver

(16,556 posts)
222. You might have a point there
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 12:10 PM
Feb 2024

There is a small cadre of antisemites who talk a lot about how terrible the west and Israel are with some frequency.

Think. Again.

(9,179 posts)
71. I fully agree with...
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:52 PM
Feb 2024

...using "eliminationist rhetoric" when referring to a group of people who's intent is to be malicious and hurtful to others for no reason other reason than to falsely elevate their own standing.

I believe that mindset should be eliminated.

 

PTL_Mancuso

(276 posts)
150. Agreed! The MAGAT mindset is completely incompatible with a democratic nation
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:19 AM
Feb 2024

and deserves to be drummed out!

Fiendish Thingy

(15,741 posts)
89. What did they refer to the Japanese as? Or the Iraqi's and Afghani's in those wars?
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:48 PM
Feb 2024


Calling someone a disparaging or vulgar nickname is quite different from describing them in subhuman terms as “vermin” or “MAGAts” (maggots).

It’s much easier to justify violating someone’s human rights, even killing them, if they are commonly referred to, described or thought of as less than human.

orangecrush

(19,711 posts)
92. In USMC basic training
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 09:17 PM
Feb 2024


Recruits are referred to as "maggots" frequently by Drill Instructors

I get your point though

NNadir

(33,621 posts)
171. This is possibly one of the worst analogies I have ever seen, at best trivializing, at worst obscene. n/t.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:50 PM
Feb 2024

Fiendish Thingy

(15,741 posts)
175. Trump has labeled us "vermin" who must be eliminated
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 01:29 PM
Feb 2024

“MAGAts/maggots” is in the same ballpark, or railway car, if you prefer.

Calling them cultists, morons, or Sick Fucks is linguistically and qualitatively different than the subhuman characterization of the term “MAGAts/maggots”.

NNadir

(33,621 posts)
179. Bullshit. Julius Streicher was hung at Nuremberg for "crimes against humanity."
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 02:07 PM
Feb 2024

This implies that he was not a part of what should be called "humanity." This was the judgement of history, one with which I happen to agree, although in general I oppose death sentences.

We are not calling for the extermination of Magats; we are simply noting their lack of humanity, where "humanity" is defined of respect for other human beings.

The problem in Weimar Germany was that no one responded in kind to Streicher. I wish that in those times someone had responded by calling Nazis "Nutsies" or the equivalent in German, whatever that might have been. That would have been a firm resistance to what proved to be one of the most inhumane governments in human history.

Anyone comparing us to Nazis for the use of strong language with which we protest the indefensible is engaging in hyperbole which I personally find disgusting. There is not one person on this website, not one, with the exception of those who will be quickly banned by our MIRT team, who is calling for the extermination of anyone. Saying that we are by using a word, an appropriate word is, again, at best trivializing, at worst obscene.

Given my knowledge of history, particularly with respect to the Holocaust, I lean toward the latter.

I note that Julius Streicher began calling for extermination of Jews well before Hitler took power, in the 1920s. He should have been met with forceful rhetoric, not polite acknowledgements of his nominal position as a human being. Human beings elected to kick him out of humanity at the end of a rope, but only because he was allowed to go as far as he did.

Scale matters.

I would suggest opening a history book to get a sense of scale, because obviously one is lacking when one implies that DUers, or the unfortunate people who take Markos's website seriously, are comparable to Nazis.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
116. THEY created MAGA, self-named and they are TRUMPISTS. This whole thing is ridiculous.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 06:46 AM
Feb 2024

Last edited Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:36 AM - Edit history (1)

We are using the term that they, themselves created. They emerged from the remnants of the Tea Party and wore Tea Bags, earning them the earlier name of "teabaggers," which they then embraced (until they learned there was a secondary meaning in slang they could not accept." You refer to yourself as "fiendish"--something I'd never ever ordinarily say to you, nor refer to you, but that is your own created screen name...

What is with some here? Are we to sit back as Trumpists seek to create--a Trump dictatorship--because you won't even risk/are extremely uncomfortable with possibly offending them? Oh no. We don't dare fight back? Good gawd.

No one is using the term like anti-Semites and NAZIs used "vermin--" nor would they. That is so ridiculous and OTT, you should really think about what you are saying. And if you are going to deride and attack DUers for using the term I think you need to rethink. Attacking DUers for this is against current DU rules, after all. I have faith that DU is full of like-minded members who are not and never would-- in any sense of the imagination-- be like the NAZIs. Do you disagree, given your comment suggesting that there are likely "Reinhard Heydrichs or Heinrich Himmlers" waiting to emerge among us? Honestly, to suggest that is so far beyond anyone's use of the acronym MAGAT, I cannot even believe you suggested such. If you really do think so, then why would you frequent DU? I am appalled at your insinuation.

The Wizard

(12,567 posts)
137. Ponder this
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 09:14 AM
Feb 2024

What was "Jews will not replace us" all about? Brandishing nazi symbols anyone? Let's not mince words. MAGAT is a euphemism for nazi. If it sounds looks and identifies as a nazi ..... Spouting nazi derisive and divisive language is a big step to normalizing Hitler. "Never again, wash, rinse, repeat. Never again.

The Wizard

(12,567 posts)
138. ponder this
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 09:19 AM
Feb 2024

What was "Jews will not replace us" all about? Brandishing nazi symbols anyone? Let's not mince words. MAGAT is a euphemism for nazi. If it sounds looks and identifies as a nazi ..... Spouting nazi derisive and divisive language is a big step to normalizing Hitler. "Never again, wash, rinse, repeat. Never again.
And why do they support Putin? MAGAts are a clear and present danger bent on imposing their anti American strongly held nazi beliefs on civilization. There is no nice way to say nazi.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
141. So you attack all of DU as no better than "NAZIS?"
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 09:39 AM
Feb 2024

That shame is on you and that pedestal you place yourself on is unearned. And there WAS a term for those like Henry Ford, Lindbergh, Neville Chamberlain, and many others who APPEASED and DEFENDED the NAZIS--something DUers would never want to be a part of... PONDER THAT! Perhaps you will figure out that your fellow DUers ARE NOT the opponents you should be creating nor Trumpist extremists those you should be DEFENDING.

aggiesal

(8,972 posts)
53. How about these derivations of the word MAGAT ...
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:22 PM
Feb 2024

M@g@t M@g@'t
M@gat M@ga't
Mag@t Mag@'t

or just plain @$$h0les.

The Conductor

(180 posts)
54. It Is The Other Way Around...
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:24 PM
Feb 2024

Maybe the maggots complained, being sick of being insulted to the rotten Republicans who feast on the flesh of Democracy.

BannonsLiver

(16,556 posts)
57. There is an element here that would like to police our language as well.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:28 PM
Feb 2024

I’ve had someone here castigate me for making fun of Trumps orange hue because it might upset someone with carotenemia.

Progressive dog

(6,939 posts)
69. I have no problem with calling them magats,
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:51 PM
Feb 2024

and I don't get why the word should be banned. It's not like they were born that way or can't help themselves. Letting them claim that they are for making America great again is delusional. What they advocate and work for seems to me to be the opposite of making America great.

swong19104

(309 posts)
72. Being a MAGAT is not a protected class
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:54 PM
Feb 2024

It's a choice, unlike sex, gender, race, age, physical or mental disabilities. Classes that people choose to join or not join are not protected, like being a member of Sigma Delta Tau or the IOOF. If it's not protected, then they shouldn't have any protection from vilification.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,338 posts)
207. 'MAGAT' MOCKS CHOICES THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION HAS REPEATEDLY MADE!
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:14 PM
Feb 2024

It does not mock race, sex, orientation or any other protected class, therefore, IMO it is not dehumanizing any more than 'Limey' or 'Yank', which were also derived from something related to the group itself. Even now, 'Nazi', still commonly used to describe all members of the German military from 1933-1945, is a safe term there as long as you don't call another member one. BUT...

DKos is a private entity, therefore they can set the conditions of posting there as can any other business insisting you have shirts and shoes before entering*. So I don't use the term there. Doesn't mean I understand why that's the hill they've chosen, but okay. I already removed them from my adblock whitelist and I won't be sending money their way, because I don't appreciate the energies spent micropolicing this while AP spews much worse (such as describing people crossing the border as 'terrorists') right there in the front page and gets rec'd for it.

The R's are not the only group with contradictory thinking.

*I always wanted to walk in carrying shirts and shoes in my hand because the signs never stipulate that you have to be wearing them, do they?

ShazzieB

(16,737 posts)
74. Eh, every website has the right to make its own rules.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 06:58 PM
Feb 2024

This doesn't really bother me. Of course, that's easy for me to say, since I'm not in the habit of posting over there, but I really do think the owners of a site like Kos have the right to ban whatever language they want, whether I agree with their choices or not.

I also don't have a problem with people using rude nicknames for either him or his followers. Whether it "accomplishes" anything or not is beside the point, imo. I see it as a way to blow off steam, an outlet for the frustration of having that vile creature in our faces for all these years, knowing that he and his minions would like to take away our rights and then kill us all. I think we've earned the right to make fun of those mofos any way we want.

But that doesn't mean Kos or any other site is obligated to provide a platform for posting these kinds of things. I'd be upset to see rules like that here here at DU, but I'm not paying the bills for other sites to keep their lights on, so to speak, so I don't feel entitled to get a vote on how those sites are run.

Just my personal opinion, fwiw.

Warpy

(111,551 posts)
77. Seems a little silly
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:21 PM
Feb 2024

While I can see the Democratic Party banning it, tiptoeing around the easily bruised feelings of a group that tried to overthrow the government on a democratic site seems a little silly.

Damn right it's a pejorative. It's one they earned.

relayerbob

(6,567 posts)
80. It's insulting to bugs ... lol however
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:32 PM
Feb 2024

Referring to people as vermin, is straight out of the Nazi/magat playbook

wryter2000

(46,186 posts)
83. It's meant to be derogatory
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:40 PM
Feb 2024

I won't apologize for using insulting language for Trump supporters. They support utter cruelty I didn't think this country was capable of. They support a serial sexual predator.

CloudWatcher

(1,852 posts)
86. Traitors, insurrectionists, fascists?
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 07:44 PM
Feb 2024

They call themselves "patriots" ... perhaps we should simply call them traitors. Insurrectionists and fascists might be more accurate, but we shouldn't strain their vocabulary.

republianmushroom

(14,071 posts)
95. Well republicans become a little sensitive about names they call themselves.
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 09:29 PM
Feb 2024

Remember "Tea party", in a newspaper it got so bad you couldn't post "TP", because
some republicans were offended.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,684 posts)
100. just call them FASCISTS
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 11:30 PM
Feb 2024

but they, make take offense or not understand.

The WHOLE point is that "maga" is a propaganda slogan that doesn't stand for shizz and has only added 8 trillion to the debt and has empowered old white racist dude's to gas light everybody else about what a messiah TFG truly is...

andym

(5,451 posts)
105. The term MAGA itself has been gaining derogatory connotations
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 11:59 PM
Feb 2024

especially since 1/6. So calling extreme Trump supporters "MAGA's" solves the problem. Joe Biden himself has called some folks MAGA Republicans who self identify as such, so DK and other sites can't ban MAGA as derogatory, even though it is.

limbicnuminousity

(1,407 posts)
109. To hell with their delicate sensibilities
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:32 AM
Feb 2024

Any derogatory connotation associated with the MAGA appellation is earned. The same goes for derivatives of their self-designated term for identifying themselves.

What other term works for that matter? Trump Republicans? No, all Republicans are Trump Republicans at this point. But some of them are crazy. They think sexual assault is A-OK. They believe Gilead was an aspirational template. They deny their kids healthcare. They applaud migrant murder. What new phrase captures that bizarre blend of lunacy and won't take on an identical derogatory flavor through use?

There is merit to avoiding eliminationist rhetoric and language but this particular phrase is about being concise and accurate.

ZonkerHarris

(24,348 posts)
110. Probably because they don't want to sink low to the same level of the name calling Republicans do to Democrats.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:34 AM
Feb 2024

DemocraticPatriot

(4,568 posts)
111. That has been their policy for at least the last six months, or longer.....
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 12:40 AM
Feb 2024

I am also a member.

The term MAGAt has been judged to be a "dehumanizing term" by that website, which violates their rules about using 'dehumanizing terms'---

Like calling other people "vermin"....



I don't personally agree with it--- as far as I am concerned,
those who support Trump DESERVE to be dehumanized----
and I disparage those on that site who defend the MAGAt snowflakes....

but anyway, that is the policy. I have stopped using that term on Daily Kos, since those are the rules,
although I believe I was one of the pioneers who helped to popularize that term....

I did suffer a one-week "time-out" at one point, for having used it.
Now I only disparage the "rules-jockeys" who jump on anyone else who use it.


llmart

(15,581 posts)
117. I'm fine with dehumanizing them.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 06:52 AM
Feb 2024

They deserve to be dehumanized. One of them went to Nancy Pelosi's house and beat an old man over the head with a hammer. How "human" is that?

NNadir

(33,621 posts)
118. I'm guessing it's Kos. He may be a Democrat working to elect Democrats, but he's not the brightest bulb on the planet.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:05 AM
Feb 2024

There's no love lost between he and I. I think he's an asshole. His site is very poor compared to DU.

Though banned, I sometimes look at what's there, and just shake my head.

Let me chant in a better place:

MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT! MAGAT!

A MAGAT is a MAGAT and there's no reason to pretend otherwise.

I agree with the President of the United States when he refers to their golden/orange calf, that they're "sick fucks."

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,144 posts)
120. I stopped using magat when tRump used the Hitler "vermin" phraseology
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:32 AM
Feb 2024

I stopped and now use simply "maga", lower case. There is no basis in the acronym "maga" for an extra 't', which was there just for (deserved) nastiness.

Deserved or not, I am not going to get into a race to the bottom in the vermin category.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
144. Not true, Bernardo. They and RW media have referred to themselves as MAGA Trumpists for years now.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 09:52 AM
Feb 2024

However unfortunate the acronym, it is one of their own making and not in any way whatsoever directly comparable to the NAZI use of "vermin" against a discriminated (and ultimately nearly exterminated) group of people, religion, ethnicity.

hlthe2b

(102,666 posts)
147. Even Fox has referred to them that way (MAGA Trumpists as opposed to non-Trump conservatives/R's)
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:04 AM
Feb 2024

While I certainly am not a Fox viewer I have seen/heard it on posted Fox-source videos and obviously, you know that our President refers to them as MAGA Extremists and MAGA Trumpists as well.

You do what you will, but equating an acronym with Hitler's (or Trump's) intentional use of vermin to dehumanize the very Jews he attempted to exterminate (or in Trump's case also immigrants and Democrats) is appalling to me. That is not "being adult" IMHO but rather appeasing a FASCIST force in this country who is out to destroy democracy.

druidity33

(6,453 posts)
122. That's been a rule there...
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 07:50 AM
Feb 2024

for a LONG time. Weird how they like to pretend they're adults over at the Kos.



Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,014 posts)
126. I used to get on the Kos site years back.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:29 AM
Feb 2024

I eventually got put in time out (account suspended) for a post I made. So, I started checking out articles here at DU and became a member.

The waters are much better here and I am glad things worked out this way.

The MAGAts have earned that nickname. The events of January 6th, 2021 sealed the deal for me

wyldwolf

(43,875 posts)
129. There was a time when some Dems didn't want to fight
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:43 AM
Feb 2024

My first election was '88. I didn't get involved until the mid 90s when Gingrich started pulling his shit. (My dad said 'he thinks he's a little Hitler.)

I went to my first Democratic party meeting in '97 and said we have to hit these people like we're swinging a baseball bat at their heads. Proverbial, of course. I got booed!

I'm sure some here who's been around in liberal circles longer than I have similar experiences.

Never care for KOS. He and his often aimed for the wrong heads.

I'll use terms like MAGAt forever. It's what they are. Maggots.

PCIntern

(25,705 posts)
130. Well we certainly wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:48 AM
Feb 2024

Wouldn’t want to sink to their level, right?

It’s all horseshit. Wait until their buddy dies and they start talking about putting him on Mount Rushmore like they did with Reagan.

Zambero

(8,985 posts)
132. Cult members are essentially snowflakes
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:57 AM
Feb 2024

Anything causing them to melt down would be insensitive. In the meantime, "libtards" will need to come up with a kinder and less offensive term to describe these knuckle-dragging cousin-f**ckers.

Scrivener7

(51,122 posts)
135. Oh, dear. And we mustn't disparage the MAGATs.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 09:02 AM
Feb 2024

They might destroy our Democracy. Though they will do that anyway, given the chance.

Niagara

(7,825 posts)
140. Those Make America Great Again Terrorist don't deserve any courtesy.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 09:38 AM
Feb 2024

These MAGATS have been following instructions from their cult follower since day one. They can't or are unwilling to think for themselves.



I remember in August of 2016 when The Sick Fuck suggested to his supporters that they should assassinate Hillary. Violent rhetoric should be disqualifying to any candidate.





I'm happy that we have no such rules here on DU about using MAGAT.

claudette

(3,647 posts)
148. They don't deserve courtesy
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:09 AM
Feb 2024

They deserve only scorn for their depravity in supporting a criminal. Respect is earned. They’ve earned the hatred against them

Shermann

(7,524 posts)
152. What would Joe Biden do?
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:36 AM
Feb 2024

Biden uses the term "MAGA Republicans" and would never resort to "MAGAT". "MAGA Republican" is the perfect insult because it puts the opposing views down by precisely characterizing them in a dignified way. No need for spinning or strawmanning or demonizing. Let the rickety platforms crumble all on their own, this was his winning campaign strategy in 2020.

That said, "MAGA Republican" is a bit of a mouthful and a pretty weak pejorative by any forum standards. "MAGAT", however, flirts with dehumanization and isn't a good look for DU in my opinion. Many of our friends, family, neighbors, and coworkers are MAGA Republicans (especially here in the South), so I don't use it.

Deb

(3,742 posts)
154. That doesn't sound Democratic to me.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 10:56 AM
Feb 2024

Who is this "Daily" and you had to sign an agreement? lol

Sounds like 60's 2nd grade authoritarian control, when "times" were perfect.

MAGAT is a compliment in my book.

wolfie001

(2,363 posts)
162. I deleted it from my bookmarks 2 years ago or so
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 11:40 AM
Feb 2024

If I ever went there, I would immediately start yawning and yearning for a nappy.

AncientOfDays

(165 posts)
176. I see ...
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 01:30 PM
Feb 2024

... the use of the term MAGAt as being on the same level as terms like "Karen" Behavior-based, not based on race/gender/etc.

LW1977

(1,239 posts)
177. I'm always for calling them MAGATS
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 01:38 PM
Feb 2024

Even if it is offensive to maggots……









OH NO! DAILY KOS JAIL FOR ME!

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,338 posts)
185. Howdy fellow jailbird!
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 2024

Been put in time out by DK a few times. I got a nastygram two weeks ago where I'd rec'd a well written comment that happened to have an unfortunately placed T in it. I was told I would be in DK purgatory until I removed my rec.

I've sworn never to give that site a dollar from now and I removed them from my ad blocking whitelist.

Generic Brad

(14,277 posts)
180. They now prefer to be called "MAGAdonians"
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 02:29 PM
Feb 2024

Sort of like how Democrats understand that being called "Democrat" is meant in a derogatory and disrespectful way (except the media is fine with permitting that). They feel that being called a MAGAT is disrespectful towards them.

hadEnuf

(2,241 posts)
183. These people are clear that they want to outright murder us yet some worry that calling them MAGAt is too offensive.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 03:09 PM
Feb 2024

The disconnection is really astounding at times.

hadEnuf

(2,241 posts)
214. Yeah, history has shown us that trying to reason with viscous brainwashed Nazis
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 09:44 AM
Feb 2024

that want to overthrow a government rarely works out well.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,590 posts)
187. I'd prefer that the decision be discussed, openly and thoroughly.
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 04:34 PM
Feb 2024

Everyone might well be served better by dropping "MAGATS" in favour of "vile pieces of sh*t." It should be explored, at the very least.

The Bopper

(191 posts)
193. The story of
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 05:28 PM
Feb 2024

The Democratic party and why we get crapped on. We let the haters of democracy tell is calling them out is the same thing as their hatred. Talk about “cancel culture “.

LAS14

(13,801 posts)
209. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Sun Feb 4, 2024, 08:52 PM
Feb 2024

In the 209 replies here I only saw 3 names I recognize. Should I be celebrating new blood or mourning lost members?

LAS14

(13,801 posts)
219. I was away in Sept/Oct and not very active since then.
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 11:25 AM
Feb 2024

I would remember people I had noticed for years, though.

Slammer

(714 posts)
212. On fascism
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 09:25 AM
Feb 2024

All language which is solely derogatory and dehumanizing is prohibited there as part of their Rules of the Road. And it's been part of their site rules long before Trump became a Republican and picked MAGA as his slogan.

So you can call someone a fascist there if the person behaves like a fascist.

You can't call anyone a rat, vermin, magat, swine, or anything else which dehumanizes them. "Dehumanizing the enemy" been part of the fascist playbook since fascism was invented. And has been part of the anti-Semitic playbook long before that.

Not allowing dehumanizing language is something Daily Kos does to try to set apart progressives from their fascist enemies.

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,853 posts)
239. Well, so much for my plans to join "Daily"...
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 05:14 PM
Feb 2024

It was 1996 when my Rush Limbaugh-loving father in law declared that all democrats should be put up against a wall and shot. In all the years between then and his death last year, he voiced that opinion over and over again.

Derogatory terms against the scumbags who want to kill people they disagree with? To destroy our democracy because they can't take a loss?

You bet.

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