Are people angry that UNCOMMITTED is getting votes in Michigan, or that cable news is reporting is?

[brooklynite]

[WheelWalker]

1. Who is angry?

[brooklynite]

5. Pretty much every post about the media tonight...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218726450

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18726326

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18726408

With, of course, special consideration given to Steve Kornacki.

[Scrivener7]

9. That's a huge stretch to characterize that as "people" being "angry."

[Igel]

15. It's a "bare plural."

If three out of 300,000,000 are angry, it's not false to say, "People are angry."

We assume it means *most* or the vast majority are angry, but the lower bound isn't 90%, not 67%, not 50%, but 2 ... people.

Same for "scientists say" or &quot R) want" or "evangelicals believe". It's easy to manipulate people with bare plurals--and for the manipulative 'meme' to propagate readily.

[Autumn]

19. Three OP's linked. The first laughing at the medias interpretation, two of them by you. Are you angry?

I can't tell.

[MOMFUDSKI]

2. Ok to make a statement in a primary per

Howard Dean. Then get it together for the election. If they put orange guy in they will be the first to be deported or put in camps. Proceed

[bdamomma]

11. Yes

that is a fact, if Slobfather gets near the WH, he will enact the Insurrection Act and start deporting and putting people on camps. Stephen Miller, that corpse was quite happy about flying people out of the US continuously.

Slobfather will not do anything about Gaza or his friend Bebe, Ukraine and will have Putin roll across to other border states and beyond.

[Igel]

20. Not my first rodeo.

I remember this kind of thing said about Bush II.

Even saw pictures here of where the camps were already built, road signs in place, and the logistics worked out to round up millions of people and incarcerate them.

It was the occasion of the most stunning take-down I've ever seen on DU. A DUer worked out how many C-130s would have to land to supply the inmates at one of the "already built" concentration camps if fully occupied. Turned out a C-130 would have to land, be fueled, unloaded, reloaded with anything leaving, and back in the air in somewhat less than a minute. And the number of C-130s required exceeded the number built--ever (IIRC).

My only contribution to the discussion was why all the road and other signs for the American camps built in the "heartland" were dual-language, English and Croatian. Oops. They used photographs from the civil war in Jugoslavija in the '90s and thought, somehow, Croatian was a good fit for Nebraska and Oklahoma--because so many there speak hrvacki.

[ProfessorGAC]

3. A Post Without Validation

Where is the anger you reference? From whom?
Pretty snide, too.
Besides, what difference does it make if people don't like this turn of events?

[Scrivener7]

4. What's this about? I'm not seeing anyone being angry.

[DemocraticPatriot]

21. some here were 'angry' about it, before tonight...

[Igel]

26. I'm not going to take issue.

NPR's "The Daily" (in which reporters interview reporters and present this as "news" or "important" ... A giant infomercial for the NYT, IMO) waxed 25 minutes long on this point. It's worrying them muchly. And they're torn.

They both like the reason for the "uncommitted" but have troubles accepting that it could endanger "our democracy" because Biden might ultimately not get votes needed to keep Michigan more blue than red and lose Biden EC votes. Okay, "troubles" is an understatement; I think they're scared shitless that it could cost (D) control of the WH. Why? Because in the end they concluded a lot of voters would return to vote for Biden but many see no difference between Trump and Biden on an issue they consider core. Then again, a lot of journalism privileges the anecdote over data, so who can say?

I would say I think it won't hurt in November, but I gave up prophecy when I said in 2016 there was no way Trump would win, not to worry. (Oops.)

[All Mixed Up]

6. I think if the numbers hold, uncommitted will have done little damage to Biden.

We'll see if they hold, tho. Wayne County is going to really define its strength since that's where Dearborn is.

Keeping numbers under 20% would be a strong showing for Biden all things considered.

[Cha]

49. Well it happened if this is accurate..

Link to tweet

[ificandream]

7. No.

[FHRRK]

8. Lol

Were you mad when you flamed out on the Phillips vote percentage last month - Dude that was embarrassing.

And your above post is a blatant call out. But I am good with it.

2012 Michigan Democratic presidential caucuses[3]
Candidate Votes Percentage Projected delegate count
AP
[4] CNN
[5] GP
[6]
Barack Obama 174,054 89.31% 203 203 203
Uncommitted 20,833 10.69% 0 0 0
Total: 194,887 100.00% 203 203 203

[angrychair]

10. I've seen multiple times

Where people are promising to not vote in the GE and actually say if Gaza gets destroyed than hopefully that will teach everyone a lesson.

Despite what Nina Turner says, not voting is still a vote for Trump.
To imply that people dying in Gaza "will teach us all a lesson" means you have made it about you and it was never about Palestinians or saving lives.

[lapucelle]

12. Nina Turner is on CNN right now as an "analyst". N/T

[angrychair]

14. I honestly like some of her commentary

Especially on income inequality.

On this she is getting on my last nerve.

[Cha]

42. NT did say Voting For Biden would be like EATING

Sanders Campaign Co-Chair Nina Turner Rips Biden: Choosing Between Him and Trump is Like Eating From a ‘Bowl of Sh*t’

“It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing,” Turner said of the choice between voting for Biden and President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election. “It’s still sh*t.

”
https://www.mediaite.com/news/sanders-campaign-co-chair-nina-turner-rips-biden-choosing-between-him-and-trump-is-like-eating-from-a-bowl-of-sht/

[emulatorloo]

13. No. Maybe time to log out and chill?

This is not like you.

[DemocraticPatriot]

17. Isn't it ???

LMAO

Maybe better do more research... lol

[DemocraticPatriot]

16. As I stated elsewhere in another thread, even President OBAMA in 2012,

running unopposed, had an uncommitted vote of 20,000 in the 2012 Michigan Democratic primary....


Thus far, the uncommitted 'protest vote' seems insignificant, compared to previous 'uncommitted' votes
which did not have a CAUSE behind them....

I considered voting 'uncommitted' myself, because of Gaza,
but I am pleased that a long ceasefire seems to be in the works....

I thought about it, but I voted for President Biden in the primary,
as I will in November.

I am not angry at those who feel they need to send a message, I sympathize with them.

[All Mixed Up]

18. A lot will depend on Wayne County.

That's where Dearborn is and the heart of the 'Uncommitted' campaign. It's also the largest county in Michigan, so, it'll have an impact and it's not really reporting results at the moment.

But it does raise the question: what is and isn't a troubling sign?

In 2012, uncommitted came in at about 10.7% vs Obama.

Right now, uncommitted is doing about six-points better. That doesn't seem to be all that significant considering the hype around it.

But if Wayne County mirrors, say, Washtenaw, which is home to the University of Michigan, and uncommitted is at 24-25 points?

I think you start getting into that gray area.

[DemocraticPatriot]

24. I am not happy about it, but this is only the primary....

Of course we could use all those voters, and I hope that most of them will ultimately come home to President Biden in November---


but frankly, their numbers are pretty small....

I hope that in November, even if they do NOT come home,
their numbers will be far eclipsed by the number of WOMEN
VOTING to protect their reproductive rights....

Certainly for pro-Palestinians and muslims,
the cause of the people of Gaza will not be advanced by them staying home,
and I am sure that hardly any of them will vote for Trump, based on his positions...

[All Mixed Up]

27. Right now, I'm actually content with the numbers.

We'll see if it holds but Biden winning nearly 80% despite a significant campaign continues to show overall strong support with the base.

[DemocraticPatriot]

31. Agreed.

[TheKentuckian]

44. Run an opponent instead of trying to damage the only option.

Fuck em.

[DemocraticPatriot]

45. President Biden had some opponents on the ballot....

but they were defeated by 'uncommitted' by about a 10-1 margin.... hahahahahaha

and by President Biden by 50-1 or something--- sorry, I can't do the math at this moment!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. I, just one Democrat, applaud this Uncommitted push.

We need to stop this killing ASAP.

[elleng]

29. yes

[FrankBooth]

23. What are you so angry about?

Unrelenting condescension certainly has its roots in some kind of pathology. It doesn't come out of nowhere.

[brooklynite]

25. Not anger; mild annoyance...

...pretty much any time an election result comes up, we seem to hear how the "corporate media" is skewing the results to be "pro Trump".

[DemocraticPatriot]

33. Don't they ??

lol

They make mountains out of molehills re:Biden,

and ignore Trump's molehills which are actually mountains re: Trump...

[brooklynite]

35. In my analysis, they don't...

...perhaps because I don't start with "corporate media" confirmation bias.

But then, I don't buy in to "the polls are rigged" either.

[DemocraticPatriot]

37. Start from the bottom, and work your way up from there...

ok

[DemocraticPatriot]

38. Oh SHIT--- You are one of those 'New York Democrats', of course....

Here, I have a rubber chicken for you to take into the machine-gun fight.

Good luck, and God Bless You!

[brooklynite]

39. ...and the significance of being a "New York Democrat" would be.....

(nb: Biden's campaign team and DNC leadership don't complain about media bias and polling error when I talk to them.)

[elleng]

28. Foolish to be angry, IMPORTANT that voters can inform POTUS of their/our concern/anguish/anger

@ cruelty occurring in Gaza.

[Demsrule86]

47. Perhaps a few of them might consider that Hamas did this...and they voted for Hamas...

And what about the hostages?

[RandySF]

30. I'm angry at the disregard for the Oct victims and hostages. .

[Frasier Balzov]

32. I'm angry about all the hijabs.

Wake up ladies.

[Patton French]

34. I'm angry that President Biden isn't getting the support he deserves.

And from our own party. Yeah, that’s short sighted and way missing the big picture.

[Ninga]

36. Low information voters will not understand nor

care about why Michigan voters voted uncommitted.
Looking for excuses to not vote. Result is voter suppression.
Flood the White House mail room with letters and Post Cards to express your opinion.

[BootinUp]

40. Its a meaningless protest, so empty that it is laughable. nt

[TheKentuckian]

41. That it is getting votes.

Obviously it is going to be reported and reported cynically and in the most negative light.

That was the intent of the political suicide vest gang.

[GuppyGal]

43. Ya I'm angry because it's bullshit and the utter lack of loyalty I"m fucking disgusted nt

[Demsrule86]

46. It is because the emphasis they are putting on it...Haley is getting around 30% but Biden is in

trouble? I don't see this as a big deal and they keep emphasizing it. Trump is the one in trouble not Biden. The coverage is overblown...

[Cha]

50. Hey Dems.. ..

Link to tweet

This from sheshe's OP..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18726985

[Silent Type]

48. Think media is supposed to report that kind of news. But yeah, some folks don't like

the reporting of negative stuff. Guess it would be OK if they reported it and said, “But trump is still a no good cad, fraudster, grifter, insurrectionist, criminal POS.”