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Stinky The Clown

(67,840 posts)
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 09:09 PM Feb 28

We are here because of Garland's foot dragging. Now the Supremes can delay until a trial is not possible

Thanks Merrick Garland. I blame you.

Motherfucker doesn't need to delay. You did plenty.

Don't talk to me about bashing a Democratic figure. This criticism is well deserved.

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We are here because of Garland's foot dragging. Now the Supremes can delay until a trial is not possible (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 28 OP
+1000000000 Pachamama Feb 28 #1
I'll see that 1x109 The Unmitigated Gall Feb 28 #35
Can we say that on DU now? BigmanPigman Feb 28 #2
Technicality: Garland is not a Democrat. dchill Feb 28 #19
Now he couldn't even markodochartaigh Feb 28 #22
That is why applaud the OP with this thread. I wish he would resign. Trueblue1968 Feb 28 #36
That didn't matter cactusfractal Feb 28 #40
Me too and the fucking message said don't spread right wing talking points. LIKE I'D DO THAT SHIT??? ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 28 #48
You have a lot of company FoxNewsSucks Feb 29 #57
It's so safe BaronChocula Feb 28 #25
It was on TV again last night BigmanPigman Feb 28 #41
Well, I got a post removed because I said bamagal62 Feb 28 #28
A lot depends on who happens to get picked for the jury. ShazzieB Feb 28 #42
They must be getting more lenient Diraven Feb 29 #66
thats not how it ever worked jcgoldie Feb 29 #72
. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #83
My long time other half - a Bernie womanofthehills Feb 29 #87
Post removed Post removed Feb 29 #107
During the primaries? No that never happened. emulatorloo Feb 29 #135
I think I'd rather have my tooth drilled than live through another trump term. Comfortably_Numb Feb 29 #77
Considering what he and his MAGAT thugs... Wuddles440 Feb 29 #103
Without novocaine orthoclad Feb 29 #133
That scene haunts me to this day...Dustin Hoffman nailed it. Comfortably_Numb Feb 29 #143
Not that bad. orthoclad Mar 1 #147
Exactly! Richard58 Feb 29 #104
Garland was never a Democrat. I have never considered him a Democratic "Figure" by virtue of his appointment. msfiddlestix Feb 29 #109
They'll have to kick us all off then. It's more than 3 years since J6 and trump has not been held to account yet. brush Feb 29 #128
Marathon Man! What an epic movie! Haven't thought of it in ages ... thanks for the memory. KPN Feb 29 #129
Kick, Rec. Think. Again. Feb 28 #3
Never put your trust stage left Feb 28 #4
*Anyone Oneironaut Feb 29 #105
100% Garland's fault. chicoescuela Feb 28 #5
Garland has a boss. MOMFUDSKI Feb 28 #29
You're right and it isn't Joe chicoescuela Feb 28 #31
I'll bite. Who is Garland's boss if not the President? TomSlick Feb 28 #39
In theory Joe is, but it does appear that MG may not think so. Horribly disappointing chicoescuela Feb 28 #43
Be careful I wrote a discussion about this "touchy" subject and it got deleted and a ban threat. BlueNIndiana Feb 28 #45
Okay, so we can't criticise Garland here and we can't say MAGAt over there. Got it ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 28 #49
Why not put the blame where it obviously belongs scipan Feb 28 #6
Why not admit that Garland has a lot to answer for? Scrivener7 Feb 28 #8
He does but he didn't have a crystal ball. scipan Feb 28 #26
If he didn't realize that Cletus and his MAGA lodge brothers who carpooled to the Capitol to raise hell Scrivener7 Feb 28 #32
"'his maga lodge brothers"? scipan Feb 28 #37
I think you're right about Biden. ShazzieB Feb 28 #44
I think we're in agreement. This to me proves scipan Feb 28 #53
Big MOMFUDSKI Feb 29 #95
Garland..... fightvision81 Feb 29 #80
Trump and the MAGA Republicans burned "the book" on Jan. 6th, 2021. hadEnuf Feb 29 #127
And their donors. chowder66 Feb 28 #14
And the incessant and snorky condescension of the Garland cheerleaders better stop now. Scrivener7 Feb 28 #7
Agreed! I don't want to hear anything that implies WE're part of the problem calimary Feb 28 #11
But he absolutely won't. Scrivener7 Feb 28 #12
Amen! Stinky The Clown Feb 28 #15
Yep! Sky Jewels Feb 29 #70
I don't see how he is democratic. He's a Federalist. AllyCat Feb 28 #9
Citation? Garland's nom to the Supreme Court was blocked by Leonard Leo. emulatorloo Feb 29 #138
It's plain as day. dalton99a Feb 28 #10
I'm with Stinky. NoMoreRepugs Feb 28 #13
Yeah, Stinky rocks! ananda Feb 28 #18
Even if there is no J6 trial before the election... RussBLib Feb 28 #16
Senate Dems must confirm Biden's judge nominees kiri Feb 28 #33
What does it say about our system that we are unable to prosecute someone who tried to Scrivener7 Feb 29 #84
It says our system MOMFUDSKI Feb 29 #97
Thank you! markpkessinger Feb 28 #17
+1 dalton99a Feb 28 #21
Yep. The Garland apologists who kept scolding Sky Jewels Feb 28 #20
No shit. FoxNewsSucks Feb 28 #23
POTUS Biden is between a rock and a hard place on many issues. PufPuf23 Feb 29 #55
Well, shit NBachers Feb 28 #24
The guy Obama thought the Republicans would find acceptable? TheKentuckian Feb 28 #27
Obama had a hostile Senate. Sparkly Feb 29 #58
I have held back, and I wish now I hadn't Tansy_Gold Feb 28 #30
Also and separately Vance and Bragg. RockRaven Feb 28 #34
He might even deliver the final blow. He might tell Jack Smith to "stand down" after the conventions... ecstatic Feb 28 #38
Yes, he absolutely might. Because they have to be gentlemen, doncha know. Except when Scrivener7 Feb 29 #85
AMEN budkin Feb 28 #46
Love the post DaBronx Feb 28 #47
3 years Roy Rolling Feb 28 #50
It's worse than a letdown. The consequences will be catastrophic. Boomerproud Feb 29 #68
Your correct! hydrolastic Feb 29 #139
I was saying this a long time ago. onecaliberal Feb 28 #51
Yup Stinky The Clown Feb 28 #52
Yes. Yes you were. And yes, you did take a lot of supercilious condescension from a handful of Scrivener7 Feb 29 #86
I remember ... doubly sad that you have to be proven right/rightly concerned. KPN Feb 29 #126
I notice none of those folks have said we were right. They are also curiously missing from these threads. onecaliberal Feb 29 #130
As tough as it seems now on the INJUSTICE I believe oldmanlynn Feb 29 #54
But that's the last defense. I hope you're right, but it should never have come this far. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #93
Yup you understand the foot dragging. republianmushroom Feb 29 #56
I see criticizing Garland as criticizing Biden gulliver Feb 29 #59
Is that sarcasm? Goodheart Feb 29 #61
Just logic gulliver Feb 29 #62
That's not a fact. That's just your illogically deduced opinion. Goodheart Feb 29 #63
Biden and Obama didn't make a mistake gulliver Feb 29 #64
Biden and Obama aren't infallible. Get real. Sky Jewels Feb 29 #71
Thats completely twisting the context jcgoldie Feb 29 #73
Garland's Constitutional Law Professor has a different opinion TiberiusB Feb 29 #113
So do you think SCOTUS delaying the opinion on Trump's immunity is good for the country? bluesbassman Feb 29 #65
The SCOTUS wants to settle the issue once and for all gulliver Feb 29 #67
You appear to have faith in the corrupt six. I don't. bluesbassman Feb 29 #69
I don't understand how parsing "nobody is above the law" is helpful in this case. stollen Feb 29 #75
Smith urged them to do just that in December BeyondGeography Feb 29 #76
SCOTUS could refuse to take the case TiberiusB Feb 29 #114
Hah! You're kidding, right? Garland just recently released the Hur report... brush Feb 29 #78
Ridiculous. Honestly. Of all the arguments the Garland cheerleaders made ad nauseam, that Scrivener7 Feb 29 #88
Probably would have turned into a mess even if Garland started charging right away. Silent Type Feb 29 #60
A shitshow with another year or 2 on the clock jcgoldie Feb 29 #74
Just an FYI...you can have a post removed for talking about forum moderation....i.e. complaining about it PortTack Feb 29 #79
So alert. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #89
The beatings will continue until morale improves ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 29 #110
Agree with you. (nt) Paladin Feb 29 #81
This is like a Bush v Gore, only in a passive-aggressive way. no_hypocrisy Feb 29 #82
LOL! 🤣 Another day, another "I-Hate-Garland" post. Oopsie Daisy Feb 29 #90
Glad you're finding our current situation funny. At least someone can. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #91
Yeah, it's a real rib-tickler, ain't it? hatrack Feb 29 #92
Oh brother! How did you arrive at THAT conclusion? Oopsie Daisy Feb 29 #94
The "crying laughing" emoji is a hint. And again, at least someone is enjoying this. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #96
Intelligent and reasonable people look beyond the emoji and read the actual words. 🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Feb 29 #98
I think all your "laughter" tells its own story, which is certainly not refuted by your words. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #99
My words and meaning are clear. The daily "I Hate Garland" threads serve no useful purpose * Oopsie Daisy Feb 29 #100
I'm having deja vu. Might need to keep my umbrella handy, FoxNewsSucks Feb 29 #122
You might have something there! Scrivener7 Feb 29 #131
Actually we are here because enough self- identified progressive refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 JohnSJ Feb 29 #101
No. We are here because SCOTUS is infested with criminals, anti-Constiutionalism and lack of ethics. Wonder Why Feb 29 #102
May I just remind folks, that Garland was never a Democrat. We all know why Biden picked him for the post, was simply msfiddlestix Feb 29 #106
Look...it is what it is... It's not over. All of this hand wringing and blame is simply not good for all of us. Chakaconcarne Feb 29 #108
He always seemed he'd be a thoughtful SCJ, but weak as a prosecutor. I really did not TeamProg Feb 29 #111
I'm with Stinky. MontanaMama Feb 29 #112
MG is not a liberal, progressive, or a Democrat. Bash away. Magoo48 Feb 29 #115
It is disappointing, of course. MineralMan Feb 29 #116
Godwin needs to update his law to include Garland. Fiendish Thingy Feb 29 #117
. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #119
Gave up substantive replies for lent? Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 29 #141
Here's why you're the one who isn't comprehending the situation Stinky The Clown Feb 29 #136
You know Garland and Monaco weren't confirmed for a couple of months, right? Fiendish Thingy Feb 29 #140
. Scrivener7 Feb 29 #142
and the marginally or ill-informed voters won't think any of it matters, cuz no trials were concluded Evolve Dammit Feb 29 #118
We are here because of the idiots who mcar Feb 29 #120
If he's not elected President, there will be trials wryter2000 Feb 29 #121
True stage left Feb 29 #132
I'm 75, too wryter2000 Feb 29 #137
The way some of them vote stage left Feb 29 #145
Garland nowforever Feb 29 #123
Is playing by the book really a weakness? Under The Radar Feb 29 #124
Sleepy Merrick and the 6 other dwarves. usonian Feb 29 #125
Might be another orthoclad Feb 29 #134
He's got the backbone of a jellyfish...Do the world a favor Tribetime Feb 29 #144
I defended him for a long time mvd Feb 29 #146

BigmanPigman

(51,651 posts)
2. Can we say that on DU now?
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 09:19 PM
Feb 28

I feel like asking, "Is it safe?" like the Marathon Man film. Will we get kicked off if we still say that?

cactusfractal

(498 posts)
40. That didn't matter
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:54 PM
Feb 28

When I had a comment deleted about him having no spine.

"Democratic" figure, my ass.

When they find that Presidential actions are immune from prosecution absent Senate conviction, I hope Biden throws him in Gitmo along with the Orange Menace, then resigns scot free.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,301 posts)
48. Me too and the fucking message said don't spread right wing talking points. LIKE I'D DO THAT SHIT???
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 11:35 PM
Feb 28

Someone didn't like me bashing Quisling Garland.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,436 posts)
57. You have a lot of company
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:12 AM
Feb 29

I've had posts hidden for being critical of Garland, Maserati-Manchin and Curtsy Sinema. So have a lot of others here.

And we were right about all three.

BaronChocula

(1,634 posts)
25. It's so safe
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:25 PM
Feb 28

It's unbelievably safe. You wouldn't believe how safe it is. AHHHHHHHHHH!

I still can't watch that scene to this day.

ShazzieB

(16,637 posts)
42. A lot depends on who happens to get picked for the jury.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 11:00 PM
Feb 28

It's completely random and anonymous, and different people can have very different opinions on the same thing, as we all know just from reading the posts here.

I have seen posts get removed that I thought were harmless and other posts that I did not like at all stick around through multiple alerts.

There are a few things that will pretty reliably get a post removed, like using racial slurs or calling another member nasty names, but an awful lot of things can go either way, depending on who's voting on it.

Diraven

(551 posts)
66. They must be getting more lenient
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 01:01 AM
Feb 29

Offending posts just get removed now? I remember during the 2020 primaries accounts were getting permanently banned every day just for the sin of supporting the wrong candidates.

Response to womanofthehills (Reply #87)

Wuddles440

(1,135 posts)
103. Considering what he and his MAGAT thugs...
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 10:27 AM
Feb 29

have planned for us "vermin", getting your tooth drilled may actually be the least painful of their menu choices.

Richard58

(239 posts)
104. Exactly!
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:14 AM
Feb 29

I know how it is on this forum. Criticizing a Democrat is a no-no. Even if said Democrat is F'ing up royally like Garland is! Why can't we call it like it is?

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
109. Garland was never a Democrat. I have never considered him a Democratic "Figure" by virtue of his appointment.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:30 AM
Feb 29

Garland is a Federalist through and through. and that qualifies as the party of the Repuke imo.

brush

(53,977 posts)
128. They'll have to kick us all off then. It's more than 3 years since J6 and trump has not been held to account yet.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 06:39 PM
Feb 29

Thanks, Garland.

And one more thing. Him not editing out that hit job crap from the Hur report as the height of passive aggressiveness. Garland just released that "well intentioned, elderly man with a poor memory who is not fit to serve" crap, which we'll all be hearing over and over and over again in negative repug ads angainst Biden during the campaign.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
129. Marathon Man! What an epic movie! Haven't thought of it in ages ... thanks for the memory.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 06:41 PM
Feb 29

I read the book well before the movie. The movie was really well done and absolutely not disappointing in the least.

Oneironaut

(5,541 posts)
105. *Anyone
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:17 AM
Feb 29

Irl too.

Putting unearned trust in anyone will just lead to disappointment, imo. You should never trust someone you don’t know personally / who hasn’t earned your trust.

scipan

(2,366 posts)
26. He does but he didn't have a crystal ball.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:32 PM
Feb 28

I'm disappointed in him too but I think he did it by the book, i.e., roll up the lower ones first and hope they implicate the higher ups. Maybe he was uncertain of himself.

He was wrong.

Edit: that mistake is nothing compared to the corruption of the SC. That's why I prefer to shine a light on them vs Garland.

Scrivener7

(51,084 posts)
32. If he didn't realize that Cletus and his MAGA lodge brothers who carpooled to the Capitol to raise hell
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:41 PM
Feb 28

were not going to deliver him the planners of the coup, he should not have been in the job.

There is no book that has that ridiculous notion in it.

He ignored the planners.

We wouldn't' be here if he had not done that.

scipan

(2,366 posts)
37. "'his maga lodge brothers"?
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:48 PM
Feb 28

I never read that he was a member of the federalist society.

Besides, I remind you, if you read the same stuff i did, Biden didn't want his presidency to be all about prosecuting Trump. Understandable if imo wrong.

ShazzieB

(16,637 posts)
44. I think you're right about Biden.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 11:16 PM
Feb 28

I also agree with your previous post, about where the blame lies.

I wish Garland had moved a LOT faster than he did, but SCOTUS has a hell of a lot to answer for right now.

I was watching Nicolle Wallace when the news broke and have been tuned into MSNBC ever since, and I have never seen so many really smart people with their hair on fire as I have seen these past few hours. Garland has gotten some negative comments, but it's SCOTUS that everyone has seemed to have the harshest words for, and I agree. Those 6 conservatives are being WAY too helpful to Trump, and it stinks.

As for Garland, I don't agree with a lot of his choices, but I'm in no position to judge his motives or what those decisions have been based on. I hope he writes a memoir someday, because I'd love to hear what he has to say about all of it, but I'm not holding my breath.

scipan

(2,366 posts)
53. I think we're in agreement. This to me proves
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 11:58 PM
Feb 28

There are several corrupt SCOTUS justices. Or maybe their financial interests align with their judicial interests.

Either way it literally makes me feel sick.

What kind of country do we have if they aren't even pretending???

fightvision81

(9 posts)
80. Garland.....
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 07:43 AM
Feb 29

sat on his hands for 2 1/2 yrs out of fear! And now Orange Goblin is going to get away with it all.

hadEnuf

(2,224 posts)
127. Trump and the MAGA Republicans burned "the book" on Jan. 6th, 2021.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 06:39 PM
Feb 29

Not too hard to figure what was going to follow, IMO.

Or what is to come....

calimary

(81,594 posts)
11. Agreed! I don't want to hear anything that implies WE're part of the problem
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 09:52 PM
Feb 28

Last edited Thu Feb 29, 2024, 05:16 AM - Edit history (1)

and shouldn’t be yowling about this.

HE’S a BIG part of the problem, and everybody should be making an uproar about it!!!

And if you’re not part of the problem, Garland, then you damn well better be doing something to solve and eliminate the problem!

emulatorloo

(44,268 posts)
138. Citation? Garland's nom to the Supreme Court was blocked by Leonard Leo.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 07:36 PM
Feb 29
https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/speeches/the-third-federalist-society

THE THIRD FEDERALIST SOCIETY
Within the Federalist Society, is an operation funded by dark money and designed to remake our judiciary on behalf of a distinct group of very wealthy anonymous funders.

The story of the “third” Federalist Society is partly the story of a man named Leonard Leo, the Society’s executive vice president. Mr. Leo is now the most influential person shaping our federal judiciary. Don’t be surprised if you’ve listening and you’ve never heard of him. He’s never been elected. He is not accountable to any voter. Instead, he’s the front man for interests that want to use the Federalist Society — and its surrounding network of front groups, and PR shops, and think tanks?—?to acquire control over our courts.

Renown court watcher Jeffrey Toobin describes Leo as “Trump’s subcontractor” on the selection of Supreme Court justices. More accurately, Mr. Leo is the subcontractor for a network of big corporate interests and front groups. In the summer of 2016, it was Leo who delivered the list of potential nominees to fill the vacancy left by the death of Antonin Scalia and the blocking of MERRICK GARLAND (caps mine). It was Mr. Leo who was involved in the Trump transition, helping to conduct outreach to potential Supreme Court picks, including Neil Gorsuch. Mr. Leo even orchestrated a million-dollar donation to Trump’s inauguration.

RussBLib

(9,057 posts)
16. Even if there is no J6 trial before the election...
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 09:58 PM
Feb 28

...we all saw it. I think Trump will lose the election REGARDLESS, and once the election is over, the trials can resume at their own pace

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

kiri

(802 posts)
33. Senate Dems must confirm Biden's judge nominees
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:42 PM
Feb 28

The Dems in the Senate are to blame for not getting Biden's judge nominees confirmed.

There are 113 waiting to take their seats on Federal courts. They are urgently needed. Senate Dems dawdle.

Scrivener7

(51,084 posts)
84. What does it say about our system that we are unable to prosecute someone who tried to
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 08:17 AM
Feb 29

overthrow the government in a timely enough manner to prevent him to run for another presidency four years later?

Their own pace is not good enough.

This was an attempted coup.

markpkessinger

(8,409 posts)
17. Thank you!
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:02 PM
Feb 28

I signed on just now to post this very sentiment.

As Jennifer Rubin noted in her column of yesterday, in which she compared New York AG Tish James to Garland:

James has a very different outlook from U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland, who delayed pursuing criminal matters against Trump (after Trump declared his candidacy, Garland was compelled to name special counsel Jack Smith), apparently in a misguided attempt not to look political. (Meanwhile, voting rights and abortion rights litigation has been championed of late by private litigants, not the Justice Department.) James seems to understand that shying from litigation for fear of enraging the right is itself political. Frankly, being more concerned with the appearance of neutrality than in dogged pursuit of wrongdoers undermines the rule of law.

Sky Jewels

(7,200 posts)
20. Yep. The Garland apologists who kept scolding
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:05 PM
Feb 28

those of us who pointed out Milquetoast Merrick’s failure to pursue justice in the wake of an attempted coup d’etat should apologize NOW.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,436 posts)
23. No shit.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:12 PM
Feb 28

It's disgusting. One really can't help but wonder about his motivation.

And Biden's done a great job, which will be overshadowed by this failure to hold criminal scum to account.

PufPuf23

(8,854 posts)
55. POTUS Biden is between a rock and a hard place on many issues.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:08 AM
Feb 29

POTUS Biden has proved competent and calm.

But who would have guessed the shitstorm of issues dealt with by his administration?

POTUS Biden is exposed to open sabotage.

Think POTUS Biden is exposed to essentially blackmail, not for what he has done, but what other parties will do to the USA.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
27. The guy Obama thought the Republicans would find acceptable?
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:33 PM
Feb 28

Yeah, he's the guy that Obama thought would be okay by the Republicans.

That means he was never intended to be desirable to Democrats at all!

Just someone a Democratic President could try to squeeze over the plate in the face of an extremely obstructionist Senate in greatly compromising fashion.

The love affair never made a lick of sense.

I know a lot don't do sports but you can't make Hail Mary's the bread and butter of your offense.

Who would be the compromise nominee? Bill Barr?

Sparkly

(24,162 posts)
58. Obama had a hostile Senate.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:14 AM
Feb 29

Mitch and the gang vowed to obstruct EVERYthing before President Obama walked in the door. I think Garland was nominated as an "ultra-moderate" that the obstructionists surely couldn't say no to, right? right? But of course they did.

It's what they do over and over...

(Surely they won't go this far, right? right? Over and over again, they do.)

Anyway, Garland might have seemed at the outset like a good pick for AG, but clearly he's not cut out for the job.

Tansy_Gold

(17,888 posts)
30. I have held back, and I wish now I hadn't
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:39 PM
Feb 28

I'm with Stinky.

I honestly thought Garland would be stronger, and I thought Biden had made a good choice in putting the "rejected" SCOTUS nominee in DOJ to rub the pukes' noses in it.

But enough is enough.

And I've served on enough DU juries to know that we're not supposed to "bash" Democrats, but if we can't call out our own when we see things are wrong, then we're no better than the GQP cult members.

So the orange pile of shit gets to skate free again. He can keep operating his mob businesses in NYC. Nothing ever happens to him. And the rest of the fucking world suffers for it. The gloves have to come off. Jack Smith is doing at least something. Fani Willis is. Tish James is. Alvin Bragg (belatedly) is. But Garland hasn't. I haven't seen one single instance where he's had the moral courage of a gnat to stand up to the worst traitor in our nation's history.

RockRaven

(15,080 posts)
34. Also and separately Vance and Bragg.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:43 PM
Feb 28

Bragg doesn't get kudos from me for the impending trial because it should have happened years ago.

Scrivener7

(51,084 posts)
85. Yes, he absolutely might. Because they have to be gentlemen, doncha know. Except when
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 08:19 AM
Feb 29

Hillary is running. Then all bets are off.

Roy Rolling

(6,943 posts)
50. 3 years
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 11:39 PM
Feb 28

Three years getting convictions of the foot soldiers but waiting too long to convict the coup leadership.

If Smelvis walks free using the same clog-the-courts methods of cretins like Bannon then the U.S. government needs work.

What a letdown. The people get no timely justice.

hydrolastic

(489 posts)
139. Your correct!
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 08:12 PM
Feb 29

What I worry about is, the system has broken down. and because the trials are being played out behind closed doors the end of democracy will come with just a wimper. The excuse will be "that there was nothing we could do" and /or that the system was not designed to handle someone playing the system the way Trump has. I have said it before and I will say it again we should have had Watergate type trials. It keeps everybody honest.

Scrivener7

(51,084 posts)
86. Yes. Yes you were. And yes, you did take a lot of supercilious condescension from a handful of
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 08:23 AM
Feb 29

very vocal posters who scoffed at the idea that this would ever happen.

And here we are.

onecaliberal

(32,994 posts)
130. I notice none of those folks have said we were right. They are also curiously missing from these threads.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 06:49 PM
Feb 29

Not there to defend their man now.

oldmanlynn

(115 posts)
54. As tough as it seems now on the INJUSTICE I believe
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:03 AM
Feb 29

The people of America will see the injustice and potential damage to the country they will vote these people out

Scrivener7

(51,084 posts)
93. But that's the last defense. I hope you're right, but it should never have come this far.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 09:23 AM
Feb 29

Our system was built to protect us from attempted overthrows and the cult has twisted every safeguard until it's completely impotent.

I have no doubt they will cheat their way through the election and make it a nail biter.

We are in a very precarious position right now.

gulliver

(13,205 posts)
59. I see criticizing Garland as criticizing Biden
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:32 AM
Feb 29

President Biden did a fantastic job in picking Garland. There wasn't any foot dragging. That analogy implies intentional delay for one thing. But, I can't think of a move Garland has made that wasn't really sharp and good for the country.

gulliver

(13,205 posts)
62. Just logic
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:43 AM
Feb 29

Biden picked Garland for AG.

And Obama picked Garland for the Supreme Court, so dissing Garland is also criticizing Obama.

Garland is great. It's just a fact.

Goodheart

(5,352 posts)
63. That's not a fact. That's just your illogically deduced opinion.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:48 AM
Feb 29

Obama is not above criticism. Biden is not above criticism. Each can make mistakes.

And Garland is piss poor. I could state that "that's a fact", but I like to constrain myself with accuracy.

gulliver

(13,205 posts)
64. Biden and Obama didn't make a mistake
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:51 AM
Feb 29

Unfortunately, the people who think they made a mistake are making a mistake.

Sky Jewels

(7,200 posts)
71. Biden and Obama aren't infallible. Get real.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 01:15 AM
Feb 29

Garland was a massive mistake all around. I’m so goddamn sick of these self-inflicted wounds. There’s no reason for Democrats to keep engaging in this kind of bullshit pandering to centrism and bipartisanship. It’s always, always one-sided. And why the eff is Wray still heading the FBI?!

jcgoldie

(11,658 posts)
73. Thats completely twisting the context
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 02:11 AM
Feb 29

Obama picked Garland trying to get through a moderate. McConnell stonewalled it anyway. Criticizing Garland's actions or lack thereof since he has been AG is not a criticism of Obama.

TiberiusB

(490 posts)
113. Garland's Constitutional Law Professor has a different opinion
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 01:07 PM
Feb 29
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gross-abusr-ag-garland-s-dormer-constitutional-law-professor-is-now-blasting-him/ar-BB1iauMS

Dissing Garland has nothing to do with Obama OR Biden. He's not a toddler, and is responsible for his own actions, or lack thereof. Trying to turn this all into an attack on the current and former POTUS seems like a weak attempt to shield Garland, rather than present the merits of his tenure.
He was a desperate attempt to placate obstructionist Republicans during Obama's presidency, and Biden clearly thought he was somehow correcting a previous injustice by putting Garland at the head of the DOJ. A symbolic move, and never one that was intended to result in any prosecution of the insurrectionist leaders, particularly Trump.

bluesbassman

(19,385 posts)
65. So do you think SCOTUS delaying the opinion on Trump's immunity is good for the country?
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:57 AM
Feb 29

That delay will most certainly mean his trial is delayed until after the election, and gawd forbid he somehow wins, he will never be tried. How’s that “good for the country”???

gulliver

(13,205 posts)
67. The SCOTUS wants to settle the issue once and for all
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 01:04 AM
Feb 29

Most likely. I'll wait and see. Will they hear the oral arguments and then decide really fast? I expect that. But I could be disappointed. Time will tell. Trump may be on trial on election day.

I expect Trump to lose. But if he doesn't lose, it's good to have the Supreme Court on record saying he's going to go to jail if he commits crimes.

bluesbassman

(19,385 posts)
69. You appear to have faith in the corrupt six. I don't.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 01:09 AM
Feb 29

If they act as you suggest, I’ll gladly owe you a beer. However, based on their past rulings I don’t trust them to do the right thing. Not at all.

stollen

(419 posts)
75. I don't understand how parsing "nobody is above the law" is helpful in this case.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 02:44 AM
Feb 29

This is a delay scam. Better to look at what the fascist billionaires plan to do to overcome a blue wave. Russian satellites in space?

If dems control congress when the election is over, plus the WH, that should keep Alito and Thomas in place long enough for a congressional hearing on their malfeasance with changes made. Norms don't cut it anymore. Everything pertaining to SCOTUS must be minutely spelled out, as per SCOTUS' wish to hear this case, for the 3rd time in a court. Justices run amok is killing this country.
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BeyondGeography

(39,393 posts)
76. Smith urged them to do just that in December
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 03:08 AM
Feb 29

And his brief responding to Trump’s circuit court appeal was filed on Feb. 14.

Now we have to wait until the week of April 22 for oral arguments and probably the end of June for a decision. Six months after they could have delivered one.

Don’t you see what has happened here?

TiberiusB

(490 posts)
114. SCOTUS could refuse to take the case
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 01:16 PM
Feb 29

Letting the lower court ruling(s) stand. That is as effective as them ruling themselves. The only reason for taking the case is to delay the trial until after the election. Then, if Trump wins, he can pardon himself and any others he pleases. Even if that power, the ability to pardon himself of insurrection, gets challenged, the SCOTUS can then step in an give him a pass. In other words, they can pretend to rule against absolute immunity when it is far too late, and then grant him absolute power to grant pardons to anyone while in office, effectively cementing his grip on the presidency.

brush

(53,977 posts)
78. Hah! You're kidding, right? Garland just recently released the Hur report...
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 03:28 AM
Feb 29

on Joe Biden's docs case without editing out the damaging, extremely negative commentary by Hur of Joe Biden being a well-intenioned, elderly man with extremely poor memory and not fit for the presidency.

That's such a fucking passive-aggressive stab in Biden's back, I don't see how you can see that as good for the country. Hur took nearly four years and nearly 400 pages, getting paid all the while, to exonerate Biden 200 pages in, but it took only one page to exonerate Pence in a similar docs case...without any negative comentaty on the former VP.

And that's just one instance of Garland's disservice to the Biden admin and the nation.

Good for the country? Not at all.

Scrivener7

(51,084 posts)
88. Ridiculous. Honestly. Of all the arguments the Garland cheerleaders made ad nauseam, that
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 08:25 AM
Feb 29

is the second dumbest.

The dumbest is "It isn't a Law & Order episode." The "episode" will now be at least four years long. In response to an attempt to overthrow the government.

Silent Type

(3,032 posts)
60. Probably would have turned into a mess even if Garland started charging right away.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:37 AM
Feb 29

Details might have been a bit different, but still a chitshow.

jcgoldie

(11,658 posts)
74. A shitshow with another year or 2 on the clock
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 02:16 AM
Feb 29

... before Trump was up for election again. Thats the difference. Trump has never won anything on the merits. He only wins by delaying. Garland delayed for him.

PortTack

(32,820 posts)
79. Just an FYI...you can have a post removed for talking about forum moderation....i.e. complaining about it
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 04:13 AM
Feb 29

Just so everyone is aware!

Oopsie Daisy

(2,767 posts)
94. Oh brother! How did you arrive at THAT conclusion?
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 09:24 AM
Feb 29

Where exactly did I claim that "the current situation" is funny? What's funny is the predictability of yet another useless and pointless thread proclaiming "I hate Garland" and "Garland sucks."

Dear, oh dear! 😂

Oopsie Daisy

(2,767 posts)
98. Intelligent and reasonable people look beyond the emoji and read the actual words. 🤣😂
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 09:29 AM
Feb 29

Emojis aren't the entire message, they just add punctuation and emphasis. But I suspect that you knew that already. It's just easier to intentionally misinterpret my message than to refute what I actually said. (I think that's called making a "strawman" argument".)

LOL!

Scrivener7

(51,084 posts)
99. I think all your "laughter" tells its own story, which is certainly not refuted by your words.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 09:32 AM
Feb 29

Have a lovely day.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,767 posts)
100. My words and meaning are clear. The daily "I Hate Garland" threads serve no useful purpose *
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 09:43 AM
Feb 29

* and they're laughably silly and predictable. I understand that you disagree with me, but rather than disagreeing with what I actually said (and rather than finding a way to defend the merits/benefits of the daily "Garland Sucks" threads) I do not understand why anyone would choose to incorrectly accuse me of "laughing at the situation" and using THAT absurd translation as a false pretense for scolding me.

>> Have a lovely day.
Thank you! I will try. It's not so easy to do when having to defend myself against false accusations and untrue characterizations of my clear intent and meaning. But hopefully things will get better going forward.

JohnSJ

(92,508 posts)
101. Actually we are here because enough self- identified progressive refused to vote for Hillary in 2016
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 10:08 AM
Feb 29

general election.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in those critical swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states.

We lost the Supreme Court because of that.

Both THIS Supreme Court and Garland deserves blame for the delay in the absolute immunity case against trump.

It is highly unlikely trump will be tried on this before the election, but make no mistake about it, we are here because of what happened in the general election in 2016.

I think we will be very fortunate if democracy in our country survives.

The only thing that will save this Democracy, if it is to be saved, will be the voters.

The Supreme Court is saying we are going to get involved to see that it doesn't get resolved before the election.




msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
106. May I just remind folks, that Garland was never a Democrat. We all know why Biden picked him for the post, was simply
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:17 AM
Feb 29

as a reward for the humiliation of the Republicans blocking his appointment to the SCOTUS under Obama.
Not saying the reasoning was bad, and I understand the enormous pressure Biden was under to form a cabinet and put together a roster of appointments for various posts. This one probably seemed like an easy choice. it's possible
I only picked up the problem with him at the very first utterances during the confirmation hearing Possibly Biden realized it too, but by then, it was too late.

I do blame Garland, chiefly. Though he did have his accomplices too, didn't he?

Chakaconcarne

(2,480 posts)
108. Look...it is what it is... It's not over. All of this hand wringing and blame is simply not good for all of us.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:28 AM
Feb 29

Divides us further and accomplishes THEIR goal.

You can choose to feed into it or not.

That is my opinion.

TeamProg

(6,343 posts)
111. He always seemed he'd be a thoughtful SCJ, but weak as a prosecutor. I really did not
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:01 PM
Feb 29

like the way he got choked up and near tears at his confirmation speech.

My gut feeling turned out to be correct.

MontanaMama

(23,367 posts)
112. I'm with Stinky.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:27 PM
Feb 29

AG Garland came to a gun fight with a butter knife. That was bad enough and now we have a corrupt SCOTUS empowered to do the rest. And no, it isn’t over, but we’re in a hell of a spot at this moment.

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
116. It is disappointing, of course.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 02:26 PM
Feb 29

However, why would a trial not be possible? After Trump loses in November, the trial can occur with no difficulty.

Are you assuming he wins? I suggest we all work very, very hard to prevent that outcome. If we do not, the loss will be greater than Trump skating.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,706 posts)
117. Godwin needs to update his law to include Garland.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 03:00 PM
Feb 29

The fact that it took this long to get to this point is indeed frustrating, but it’s not Garland’s fault.

Your criticism of Garland is not based in reality. It is only based on the passage of time and the lack of public information. However, if you truly feel Garland has intentionally delayed the prosecution of Trump, then, to remain consistent with your perception, you should contact the White House and demand that Biden fire Garland immediately.

The only way to get an unreviewable ruling that a president is not immune from prosecution is to have that ruling issue from SCOTUS.

For those that haven’t been paying attention, the lower court ruling did not cover two critical questions:

1) is a president immune from prosecution for acts such as ordering drone strikes? (This question raises not only the distinctions between official and unofficial acts, but also acts performed to benefit the nation, vs. acts performed to benefit oneself).

2) after the lower court ruled, Trump filed an immunity claim in Cannon’s court, claiming he was immune because he converted government documents into his personal property.

Stinky The Clown

(67,840 posts)
136. Here's why you're the one who isn't comprehending the situation
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 07:25 PM
Feb 29

The specific investigation into the defendant should have started within a month of J6..

It did not.

All the USSC delay tactics would have had plenty of time to play out. Instead it is juuuuuuuuuuust a tiiiiiiiiiiiny bit too late. "Sorry about your Democracy, America"

Fiendish Thingy

(15,706 posts)
140. You know Garland and Monaco weren't confirmed for a couple of months, right?
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 08:38 PM
Feb 29

And once confirmed, Rudy’s devices were seized immediately, and within a few weeks, Owen Shroyer, who was in the “War Room” on Jan 5-6, was interviewed, and is now under a cooperation/plea agreement.

You knew that, right?

But nobody knew it at the time (well we knew about Rudy), and nobody knew about the other investigative activities either, because that’s how investigations work.

But, I get it, the Bad Orange Man still not in jail, so Garland sux.

wryter2000

(46,132 posts)
121. If he's not elected President, there will be trials
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 04:44 PM
Feb 29

Not in time to do much good, but unless he can cancel the cases somehow, there will be trials.

As it is now, Alvin Bragg goes ahead in March. That hasn't changed.
Even if SCOTUS gives him absolute immunity for when he was president, that doesn't get him off for the documents.

Those two things will happen regardless. If he's not elected president, the DC case and Georgia case will go ahead.

Even if he's convicted of something, it's not likely he'll be in prison before November. If he wins, the conviction means nothing because he'll be king.

Bottom line: we have to make sure Joe Biden wins.

stage left

(2,967 posts)
132. True
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 06:59 PM
Feb 29

I'm going to work like hell to that end. I'm 75 and can't do a lot, but I'm going to do as much as I can.

wryter2000

(46,132 posts)
137. I'm 75, too
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 07:27 PM
Feb 29

If you just make sure your friends and family are voting, you’ve done something. Donating helps. I make phone calls.

stage left

(2,967 posts)
145. The way some of them vote
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:53 PM
Feb 29

I'd like to discourage them from voting. My core family group vote blue. I've got two hundred postcards and I'm ready to write some postcards.

nowforever

(316 posts)
123. Garland
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 05:06 PM
Feb 29

King of the milquetoasts. So afraid of making the wrong step he chooses to stand still and hope nobody notices. His idea of bold is pursing his lips ever so slightly. Appointing Jack Smith will be his only AG career highlight.

Under The Radar

(3,407 posts)
124. Is playing by the book really a weakness?
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 05:43 PM
Feb 29

I have often been impatient with Merck Garland and his slow pace methodical moves against Trump and I feel that the time has passed to investigate the members of congress that assisted Trump in his attempts to reverse the election of 2020. At the very least Joe Biden could have used the threat of criminal investigations as leverage to control congress if only Democrats played rough and cheated like the Republicans do. I would even have paid a couple of the more moderate house republicans to declare themselves Democrats or independents in order to maintain control as a majority. Who cares about the ramifications of packing SCOTUS with 3 more liberal seats, at least we get what we need now, right? What’s wrong with cutting corners and playing hardball like they do?
One would have to look through a different lens to see that all attempts to impeach President Biden as a crime lord have failed, there have been zero resignations or terminations of cabinet members and presidential staff, all attempts to fabricate a scandal on this administration have failed. It doesn’t make the headlines but it is clear Republicans are in shambles fighting among themselves, they are broke and are having trouble fundraising, they have lied so often we have film contradicting all their attempts at the truth, now their least intelligent least educated and least disciplined members have taken over the leadership positions.
Don’t look now Democrats, but I think that we are looking pretty good and I have never been prouder to be a Liberal- Progressive Democrat than I am right now.

usonian

(9,969 posts)
125. Sleepy Merrick and the 6 other dwarves.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 06:24 PM
Feb 29

He could sleep through a triple-play, perfect game, and Blue Angels flyover.

mvd

(65,185 posts)
146. I defended him for a long time
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:56 PM
Feb 29

..but I just can’t anymore. Also he allowed Hur’s report to contain personal attacks on the President.

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