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cab67

(3,024 posts)
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:27 PM Feb 2024

You know how people compare Mitch McConnell with a turtle?

Turtles are noble creatures. They embody a level of self-awareness and integrity that escapes the senator from Kentucky.

As a herpetologist, I'd like to see comparisons between the senator and his superiors come to an end.

Here are some turtles I've known. They're better than McConnell. McConnell is unworthy of the comparison.


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You know how people compare Mitch McConnell with a turtle? (Original Post) cab67 Feb 2024 OP
Thanks for the great post BOSSHOG Feb 2024 #1
Cuff and Link. cab67 Feb 2024 #4
K&R ! stonecutter357 Feb 2024 #2
Mea maxima culpa! niyad Feb 2024 #3
Not those turtles. This turtle ... Earth-shine Feb 2024 #5
I understand the similarity. cab67 Feb 2024 #8
Turtles are indubitably superior to Mitch. ShazzieB Mar 2024 #12
Gotcha. Earth-shine Mar 2024 #20
I'm a herpetologist. I'm allowed. cab67 Mar 2024 #26
Of course you're allowed. But that doesn't make it appropriate, relevant, or useful. Earth-shine Mar 2024 #32
You're right. cab67 Mar 2024 #44
Cool. Thanks. Used to have a good sized terrapin that would periodically show up in backyard. Silent Type Feb 2024 #6
Should add - cab67 Feb 2024 #7
Gamera is really neat! johnp3907 Mar 2024 #9
Too much of a Godzilla purist to be a Gamera fan. cab67 Mar 2024 #25
Beautiful post canetoad Mar 2024 #10
Great photos! limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #11
cephalopods are amazing. cab67 Mar 2024 #24
There's a great documentary on (I think) Netflix, "My Octopus Teacher." Ocelot II Mar 2024 #28
Cthulhu in particular. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #29
Totally agree, I have a tortoise and both him 🐢 Raine Mar 2024 #13
I have two desert tortoises and a box turtle. StarryNite Mar 2024 #19
Thanks so much! I've had the exact same thoughts since I love turtles, too! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2024 #14
handsome animal. cab67 Mar 2024 #23
"Of Time and Turtles" AverageOldGuy Mar 2024 #15
That sounds like a great book. StarryNite Mar 2024 #18
another interesting piece of trivia - cab67 Mar 2024 #21
As much as I hate to say so, Demobrat Mar 2024 #16
Fair enough, but... cab67 Mar 2024 #22
I agree 100% StarryNite Mar 2024 #17
I feel the same way when evil people are compared with snakes. cab67 Mar 2024 #30
Or pigs. I don't like to see nasty humans compared to pigs, Ocelot II Mar 2024 #31
though I have to say - cab67 Mar 2024 #37
So how was the dinner? Ocelot II Mar 2024 #40
crocodylians taste like what they're fed. cab67 Mar 2024 #42
I've always liked turtles. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #27
Chimpanzees are pretty much assholes. Elessar Zappa Mar 2024 #33
I've never been a fan of Old World primates. cab67 Mar 2024 #36
I've always found monkeys and apes slightly creepy. They look too human Ocelot II Mar 2024 #41
I've heard the same. cab67 Mar 2024 #43
Turtles have more ethics than Moscow Mitch. Sneederbunk Mar 2024 #34
Geochelone-elegans Donkees Mar 2024 #35
beautiful cab67 Mar 2024 #38
What beautiful turtles! Or are they tortoises? Ocelot II Mar 2024 #39
Interesting question cab67 Mar 2024 #45

BOSSHOG

(37,288 posts)
1. Thanks for the great post
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:29 PM
Feb 2024

A little turtle related trivia. What were the names of Rocky’s two turtles?

cab67

(3,024 posts)
4. Cuff and Link.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:37 PM
Feb 2024

More turtle trivia - a spur-thighed tortoise died in London 10 or 15 years ago. Its age was unknown, but it was a ship's mascot during the Crimean War.

Turtles are as close as amniotes come to being immortal. They're not pets - they're family heirlooms.

I have two - a Florida cooter and a red-eared slider. The age of the cooter is unknown, but he's older than the slider, and she's 20.

We had to say good-bye to my African mud turtle last year. Ernie was about 30.

Should add - many turtles born before McConnell will outlive the senator some seem to think he resembles. And they will live their long lives without working to ruin our country.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
8. I understand the similarity.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:49 PM
Feb 2024

McConnell might be comparable to a cartoon, but unlike McConnell, turtles have dignity.

ShazzieB

(16,831 posts)
12. Turtles are indubitably superior to Mitch.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 01:37 AM
Mar 2024

But I don't think I will ever be able to look at him and not see the resemblance.



Don't get me wrong...I do have a lot of respect for turtles, and really enjoyed the pics you posted! But he does look like one, doggoneit!

cab67

(3,024 posts)
26. I'm a herpetologist. I'm allowed.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:10 PM
Mar 2024

(Actually, my job title says "paleontologist," but the group I work with has both living and extinct representatives, and I work on both.)

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
32. Of course you're allowed. But that doesn't make it appropriate, relevant, or useful.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:43 PM
Mar 2024

I suppose if you were a dentist, you wouldn't want us to compare McConnel to a toothache.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
7. Should add -
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:48 PM
Feb 2024

the Terrapene ornata (ornate box turtle) at the end is Toots. I miss her. She ended up with my ex after a divorce 25 years ago. Last I heard, she's doing well.

Boy howdy did she love raspberries.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
24. cephalopods are amazing.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:08 PM
Mar 2024

They're as intelligent as some primates, and their bodies can do things we can only wish we could do.

They're among the few invertebrates that can be described as having personality.



Ocelot II

(116,397 posts)
28. There's a great documentary on (I think) Netflix, "My Octopus Teacher."
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:19 PM
Mar 2024

Really interesting story about a man who befriended an octopus, or maybe it was the other way around.

Raine

(30,565 posts)
13. Totally agree, I have a tortoise and both him 🐢
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 01:48 AM
Mar 2024

and I get very upset when that POS is compared to a sweet, gentle, intelligent, loving critter like a turtle/tortoise. I love my Desert Tortoise Bernie T so much!

Rhiannon12866

(208,363 posts)
14. Thanks so much! I've had the exact same thoughts since I love turtles, too!
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 01:49 AM
Mar 2024

We had turtles as kids and were quite fond of them. We had the one I called Stacy who was an Eastern Painted Turtle that my Dad's friend rescued from the road when he was crossing a nearby mountain. And he gave him to my Dad since he had kids. We had him for quite awhile till my Dad said it was time to let him go. So he took us to a local artist's colony, with woods and a stream and far from any roads. I still remember him enjoying dipping his head in the water of the stream and I like to think that he's still there.

He looked like this:

cab67

(3,024 posts)
23. handsome animal.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:06 PM
Mar 2024

I have a soft spot for eastern paints. They were one of the two species we used to catch when I was a kid in New England and New Jersey. The other was the wood turtle, which in my opinion remains among the top 5 most attractive turtles in the world.

Around here, we get Midland painted turtles. Just as beautiful. But my turtle catching days are pretty much over, so I admire them as they bask on logs.

There used to be "turtle races" in Chester, NJ, when I was in junior high and high school in nearby Flanders. They'd lower the turtles into a large wooden bowl-like structure, and the first turtle to reach the rim won. Most of the turtles in the races were eastern painted turtles - they're really common out there.

AverageOldGuy

(1,595 posts)
15. "Of Time and Turtles"
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 01:54 AM
Mar 2024

We are 80; I'm fortunate to be in decent condition and quite mobile; my wife has several medical challenges that keep her pretty much home-bound. She reads a lot -- 4-6 books a week; she's just about exhausted our little, rural local library.

A couple of months ago she checked out Of Time and Turtles: Mending the World, Shell by Shattered Shell. by Sy Montgomery -- you probably know the book.. If not, it's about turtles and those who rescue them.

As she read the book, she learned a LOT about turtles. In fact, about every other page she read to me something interesting about turtles, most of which I did not know.

For example:
-- Turtles live a LOOOOOONG time.
-- Terrapins live in water except when they live on land; turtles live on land except when they live in water; tortoises live wherever they damn well please. That may not be what she read, but it's what I remember.
-- If a snapping turtle (tortoise, terrapin) bites you, it will not let go until it hears thunder. Or maybe that's something my old granddaddy told me. I get confused at my age.
-- Turtles do not hibernate. They BRUMATE. Look it up.

I should have paid attention when she read to me.

StarryNite

(9,520 posts)
18. That sounds like a great book.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 02:38 AM
Mar 2024

I'm adding it to my must read list.
I have two desert tortoises and an ornate box turtle in brumation right now.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
21. another interesting piece of trivia -
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 12:44 PM
Mar 2024

There's at least one human fatality attributed to the alligator snapping turtle.

Look up "alligator snapping turtle pineapple" on YouTube if you want to see what the jaws of a gator snapper can do.

Someone accidentally snagged one while fishing. As he tried to get the hook out, the turtle got him in the throat.

Demobrat

(9,117 posts)
16. As much as I hate to say so,
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 02:07 AM
Mar 2024

I can’t help but notice, that last one bears an uncanny resemblance to … you know.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
22. Fair enough, but...
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:02 PM
Mar 2024

...Toots finds the comparison beneath her.

(I still miss her. She was an awesome box turtle. Probably still is, too.)

StarryNite

(9,520 posts)
17. I agree 100%
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 02:33 AM
Mar 2024

I have a box turtle and two desert tortoises and every time I hear people compare Mitch to a turtle I just cringe. Turtles do not deserve that. Turtles are amazing creatures that should be respected.

I also cringe when I hear people compare nasty humans to wolves and it goes on a lot.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
30. I feel the same way when evil people are compared with snakes.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:21 PM
Mar 2024

To watch a snake is to watch grace in action. (The only thing more graceful than a snake is a shark. Watch one swimming around, and you'll see what I mean.)

Too many people look at a snake and see something sneaky and deceitful. They fail to see that snakes, like lions and wolves, kill to eat - not out of ill-intent or greed. They don't understand that when a snake strikes you, it's trying to defend itself, just as any wild animal would. (Way too many snake bites are preceded by the victim saying something like "Hey - watch this!&quot .

I will say this, though - and you may not agree: I've seen lion kills, and I've seen wild dog kills. As a result, I've become a big cat partisan. Lions, and other big cats, kill their prey with a crushing bite to the throat, and then they eat it. Wild dogs, including wolves, kill their prey pretty much by eating it. Dog kills strike me as impolite. But I also know this reflects my own subjective sensibilities, and that both wild and domestic dogs can teach us many positive lessons.

Ocelot II

(116,397 posts)
31. Or pigs. I don't like to see nasty humans compared to pigs,
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:21 PM
Mar 2024

which are very smart, maybe smarter than dogs. And not evil, like some people.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
37. though I have to say -
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 04:34 PM
Mar 2024

Pigs taste better than most other animals.

I'm convinced that pigs, like flatfish (e.g. flounder), evolved specifically to be eaten by humans. There's no other way to explain it.

In no way to I minimize the qualities of a pig. They're smart, and they have real character. They can also be downright cute. Their flavor isn't their fault.

True story - I attended a crocodile biology meeting in Louisiana several years ago. At the banquet, we were served two whole alligators, wrapped in bacon, each with a roast chicken in its jaws.

I told my girlfriend (now wife) of this.

"You study alligators, but you eat them?!" she exclaimed.

Yes, I responded. I'm a systematist - someone who studies biodiversity and its organization. Systematists are required to eat the organism they study at least once. That's why I don't study spiders. That's why I'm not an anthropologist.



Ocelot II

(116,397 posts)
40. So how was the dinner?
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 04:39 PM
Mar 2024

I know alligators are eaten but they look like the meat would be tough and fishy.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
42. crocodylians taste like what they're fed.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 05:23 PM
Mar 2024

In general, the ancestral flavor for tetrapods is "chicken." Know how they say frog legs taste like chicken? And turtle, iguana, and snake? There's something to that.

That said - farmed alligators in the US are fed a kibble based on nutria from the fur industry, chicken, and fish. Nutria don't have a strong flavor (though I can say from direct experience that their close relative, mara, is delicious). So they taste like fishy chicken. Or chickeny fish.

The Morelet's crocodile I ate in Mexico in 2021 was the same way. So has the Nile crocodile I've eaten in Kenya several times

But the Nile crocodile I ate in Namibia? Straight-up fish. That's all they fed the crocodiles.

Most of what's eaten is from around the base of the tail, and it's served as fried nuggets. I did eat a hamburger made from ground Morelet's crocodile, and it was really good, but that's not the usual presentation.

A number of years ago - and this is true - I ordered some "alligator legs" for a party I was throwing for my lab group. I marinaded them in milk and cumin, then broiled them in wing sauce. They were really good, but it soon occurred to me why these "legs" came in two discrete size classes - half of the "legs" were forelimbs. I bit into one, and realized I'd bitten on a humerus rather than a femur. The animals were all about the same size at the time of slaughter, but the forelimb is consistently shorter than the hindlimb.

Ocelot II

(116,397 posts)
27. I've always liked turtles.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 03:14 PM
Mar 2024

Mitch only looks like a turtle. But appearances can be deceiving; turtles are interesting creatures with more personality than you might expect, considering their slow movements and tendency to hide in their shells. But they aren't perfidious assholes like Mitch. In fact, animals in general aren't perfidious assholes - even creepy insects and venomous snakes aren't evil; they are just doing what they need to do to survive. I suppose Mitch thinks being a perfidious asshole is what he needs to do to survive politically, but that doesn't make him any less of a perfidious asshole, notwithstanding his physical resemblance to the noble turtle.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
36. I've never been a fan of Old World primates.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 04:27 PM
Mar 2024

Lemurs, lorises, and New World monkeys are ok. I appreciate gorillas - they're gentle. And no orangutan has offended me. But baboons are genuinely unpleasant animals, and I have no use for vervets. And if you want to find an animal that exemplifies greed, selfishness, and rage, you couldn't do much better than a chimp.

Ocelot II

(116,397 posts)
41. I've always found monkeys and apes slightly creepy. They look too human
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 04:42 PM
Mar 2024

without actually being human. I've read that bonobos are somewhat less nasty than chimps, and that orangutans can be quite nice.

cab67

(3,024 posts)
43. I've heard the same.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 05:30 PM
Mar 2024

Some primatologists I know compare bonobos and chimps with the different versions of Captain Kirk in an old episode of Star Trek, in which a transporter malfunction caused two versions of Kirk to beam aboard the Enterprise - one reflecting kindness and empathy, but the other reflecting decisiveness and impulse. The latter turned out to be violent, but the former was indecisive, and so a means of recombining them had to be found.

Ocelot II

(116,397 posts)
39. What beautiful turtles! Or are they tortoises?
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 04:38 PM
Mar 2024

Are baby turtles called turtlets? Are baby tortoises tortlets?

cab67

(3,024 posts)
45. Interesting question
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 05:36 PM
Mar 2024

so far as I know, there isn't a term for a baby turtle or tortoise. Newly-hatched animals are simply called hatchlings.

But there should be such a term.

(On our side of the pond, these are tortoises - in particular, radiated tortoises [Astrochelys radiata]. In the UK, "turtle" and "tortoise" sometimes take opposite meanings from ours.)

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