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Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 07:24 AM Mar 16

Marty Dolan for Congress (NY-14) ... "Rollin' with Dolan!"

He strikes me as someone who will take his job seriously and do the hard work for his constituents... rather than trying to feather his own nest or engage in performance-politics by opposing Democrats and sabotaging the Biden agenda. Dolan is a breath of fresh air. It sounds like he has an actual plan rather than a laundry-list of complaints. He's got is OWN ideas and won't be beholden to radical PACs and orgs that want to destroy/re-make the Democratic Party.

These are very exciting times! Many opportunities ahead! It will be interesting to watch!

https://www.martydolanforcongress.com/

I am excited to formally announce my candidacy for the Democratic nomination for New York's 14th Congressional District.

The June 25th, 2024 primary will be a referendum: are we better or worse off from following Radical policies?

We are all for the "progress" implied by the word Progressive. However, within the Progressive movement, there are Radicals whose influence on the Democratic Party is overweight.

The impact in NYC is obvious: bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free, scarce resources directed to (non-sanctuary) immigrants coming from all over the world.

These difficulties must be addressed in the context of a runaway $34 trillion federal debt and NYC's 14% marginal tax rate. Regional tax inequality is far more exaggerated in the USA than in any other country. Losing 500,000 taxpayers is unsustainable: fixing this must be our overwhelming priority.

The Radicals can't deliver more than breadcrumbs when they ignore that the primary breadwinners are leaving and brush off taxpayer concerns in favor of abstract populist ideologies.

Enough is enough.

New Yorkers have seen it all, including scams like the Radicals offer. But we know better that New Yorkers want NYC to be the best city in the best country in the world.

We also urgently need to "reset" our society's income inequality and harmonize regional differences in social policy. We call our approach the 'Hamilton Plan v. 2.0' in honor of one of our greatest New Yorkers, Alexander Hamilton, who forged the independent colonies into a great republic.

Our founders left us the blueprint. “E pluribus unum”: of many, one.
We have just drifted off course.
Let us move forward together as one people.
Let us not wait another two years for the same result.

Let us reset on June 25th.

It is the honor of a lifetime to ask to represent you in this mission.


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Marty Dolan for Congress (NY-14) ... "Rollin' with Dolan!" (Original Post) Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 OP
More pulling to the right? Think. Again. Mar 16 #1
Actually, he seems rather sane, reasonable and normal to me... here in the center. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #5
I just don't thnk we should react to... Think. Again. Mar 16 #6
He's not a right winger, and neither am I. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #7
I guess we'll see what the folks of that district want for themsleves then. Think. Again. Mar 16 #8
Umm. Yeah? Obviously. LOL! Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #9
Why are you bashing AOC? Emile Mar 16 #10
Nobody is "bashing" AOC. I'm supporting the candidacy and views of a Democrat. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #12
Really? Who was this bashing aimed at, then? muriel_volestrangler Mar 16 #23
Contrast and compare. A very reasonable and realistic assessment and characterization. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #35
You don't think that's bashing? No, that is not being "reasonable". It's insulting our intelligence for you to claim muriel_volestrangler Mar 16 #38
+1000 GrapesOfWrath Mar 16 #40
I wish he'd won that one against Bowman. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #41
No-one's insulting you. We're saying you're promoting a right winger. muriel_volestrangler Mar 16 #46
So insinuating that I'm a right-winger is not an insult/smear/attack * Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #47
I have read every post in this thread and no one Emile Mar 16 #48
The word was "insinuating". yagotme Mar 18 #56
You seem unwilling to talk about the immigrant stance you quoted in the OP muriel_volestrangler Mar 16 #49
It's funny how all those "reasonable centrists" seem to be going after immigrants. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 18 #55
So this guy is running to unseat AOC, lol 😂. Emile Mar 16 #2
LOL... I know, right? Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #3
Good Luck with that! Emile Mar 16 #4
And frankly, an Argentine-American Wall Street creature is not exactly what Congress needs right now peppertree Mar 19 #80
This will be interesting to watch LetMyPeopleVote Mar 16 #11
AOC for the win! SocialDemocrat61 Mar 16 #13
It will be a formidable challenge. An incumbent always has an advantage. But, her lack of * Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #14
She has a primary challenge in 2020 SocialDemocrat61 Mar 16 #15
Yes. And in 2020 the lack of legislative accomplishments * Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #16
The average voter doesn't care about SocialDemocrat61 Mar 16 #17
That's a fascinating way of looking at things. It makes more sense to me that voters * Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #18
What legislative accomplishments have any junior Emile Mar 16 #19
Serioiusly? Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #21
Okay you named ONE, anymore? Emile Mar 16 #22
LOL! How many more do you need? -- I recognize this game * Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #24
You are the one claiming legislative accomplishments Emile Mar 16 #26
I've made no such claim. You are ignoring that she had four years with a Democratic majority * Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #28
Four years with half of it under a Republican majority. Emile Mar 16 #29
No. Four years with a Democratic majority. And 1.5 years (so far) * Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #33
Okay 2 out of five under Republican majority. Emile Mar 19 #76
It's not a fascinating way of looking at things SocialDemocrat61 Mar 16 #25
I do not understand why you're getting so upset with me and making this personal. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #27
No you don't SocialDemocrat61 Mar 16 #30
It's not about me. Stop trying to make this about me. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #31
Here are the demographics of that district SocialDemocrat61 Mar 16 #32
+1 Emile Mar 18 #58
Oh boy, another milquetoast boomer centrist name not needed Mar 16 #20
I Know Right GrapesOfWrath Mar 16 #34
A Wall Street banker. H2O Man Mar 16 #39
Er, no thank you. H2O Man Mar 16 #36
A retired Wall Street banker H2O Man Mar 16 #37
"banker" 🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #42
I didn't read H2O Man Mar 16 #43
I cannot be held responsible for what the NYP does or doesn't write. Oopsie Daisy Mar 16 #44
Okay, H2O Man Mar 16 #45
Yes, "banker". It's in the title of the Bloomberg write-up that I quoted in #38 muriel_volestrangler Mar 16 #50
Perhaps our friend H2O Man Mar 16 #51
You contribute to a candidate who doesn't need the money? brooklynite Mar 18 #59
I contribute H2O Man Mar 18 #60
Well said SocialDemocrat61 Mar 18 #61
Oh, thanks! H2O Man Mar 18 #62
Answer: I don't donate to safe Democratic seats... brooklynite Mar 19 #64
Good answer. H2O Man Mar 21 #81
I always donate to AOC and Bernie. Autumn Mar 19 #74
I just got an email complaining about this primary contest LetMyPeopleVote Mar 18 #52
Is that the one - that references her record? JustAnotherGen Mar 18 #53
Nope LetMyPeopleVote Mar 18 #54
The average voter doesn't care about stuff like that SocialDemocrat61 Mar 18 #63
We don't need candidates who call other Dems "Radicals" nuxvomica Mar 18 #57
AOC: " We must be too big and too radical to ignore" brooklynite Mar 19 #67
No context. nt Celerity Mar 19 #68
Context: AOC calls herself "radical" brooklynite Mar 19 #69
I would need to see the letter's full text to judge for myself. Celerity Mar 19 #70
AOC will dispatch him with utter ease in the primary. Celerity Mar 19 #65
Thanks! Rhiannon12866 Mar 19 #66
Spot on! Emile Mar 19 #71
To be fair SocialDemocrat61 Mar 19 #77
I get so confused. Number one rule here "Don't run against a Democrat" Autumn Mar 19 #72
I keep hearing that. It doesn't feel good, does it? Oopsie Daisy Mar 19 #73
I think it's fucking hilarious. Autumn Mar 19 #75
I knew ya would! 🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Mar 19 #78
Obviously he entered the wrong party primary. Voltaire2 Mar 19 #79
Is this the same guy who was gonna challenge Jamaal Bowman in NY-16 last year? progressoid Mar 22 #82
Wow. So Marty thinks, "we need to reset our society's income inequality" progressoid Mar 22 #83

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
5. Actually, he seems rather sane, reasonable and normal to me... here in the center.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 08:13 AM
Mar 16

From the perspective of anyone on the far left, I suppose it's only natural that everyone else automatically gets labeled and smeared with an accusation of being "on the right" regardless of what their experience is and what their agenda and plans are. It all depends on where one is at that moment, and what they hope to accomplish and anyone on the extreme ends of the political horseshoe will always be suspicious of "the other".

I think that Dolan will be campaigning from a position of strength when it comes to pointing out the number of his opponent's legislative accomplishments, as well as the number of votes against the Biden agenda.

And, he's a Grateful Dead fan. 🧸🐻

Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
6. I just don't thnk we should react to...
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 08:23 AM
Mar 16

...the rightwinger's constant hard right pulling by meeting them in the 'center' that they slowly move more right with each election.

If we REALLY want to keep things balanced in a fair center position, we must pull as hard to the left as they pull to the right, which is a very, very hard pulling.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
7. He's not a right winger, and neither am I.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 08:48 AM
Mar 16

Just stop. The "never compromise" philosophy of his opponent is why so little gets done. The all-or-nothing philosophy typically results in nothing being accomplished. I'd rather give and take and find common ground in order to make progress. I'd think that any politician who self-identifies as "progressive" would want to actually make the difficult choices that lead to (ahem) PROGRESS. No? Everything else is just performance politics, youtube clickbait, and faking outrage/tears/etc for the sake of fundraising newsletters or selling books, sweatshirts and other "merch".

He seems like a reasonable alternative, and someone who will support Democrats and the Biden agenda. A loyal Democrat who's looking for actual progress rather than a youtube opportunity.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
9. Umm. Yeah? Obviously. LOL!
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 08:55 AM
Mar 16

That's how elections are supposed to work. Challenging and defeating an incumbent will be difficult, but it can be done. I think he'll be able to capitalize on obvious weaknesses and a lack of any legislative accomplishments and the lukewarm support of the Biden agenda. Those are things in his favor.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
12. Nobody is "bashing" AOC. I'm supporting the candidacy and views of a Democrat.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 09:30 AM
Mar 16

She's being primaried. He's going to point out her weaknesses as part of his campaign, and his supporters will do the same. Get used to it. There will be more to come, I'm sure.

In the future, please refrain from making accusations like that about me or my motivations.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
23. Really? Who was this bashing aimed at, then?
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:59 AM
Mar 16

"rather than trying to feather his own nest or engage in performance-politics by opposing Democrats and sabotaging the Biden agenda. Dolan is a breath of fresh air. It sounds like he has an actual plan rather than a laundry-list of complaints. He's got is OWN ideas and won't be beholden to radical PACs and orgs that want to destroy/re-make the Democratic Party."

Seriously, what was your motivation to post that on DU?

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
35. Contrast and compare. A very reasonable and realistic assessment and characterization.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:56 PM
Mar 16

That's not bashing. This is primary season. There's a lot more ahead. Toughen up.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
38. You don't think that's bashing? No, that is not being "reasonable". It's insulting our intelligence for you to claim
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:08 PM
Mar 16

it is not bashing.

So, we have established your OP was designed to bash a Democrat, with a way over-the-top attack. You want us to "contrast and compare". OK, you approvingly quote Dolan bashing immigrants. And he really does have it in for immigrants (contrasting them to "decent" taxpayers - which is both an idiotic thing - immigrants pay taxes too - and also bigoted - it implies immigrants are not "decent" ), and has the usual Wall Street banker concerns about the deficit, rather than constituents:

He specifically called out her vocal opposition to Amazon.com Inc.’s 2018 plans to locate a new headquarters in Long Island City, Queens, a deal that fell apart after the company voluntarily abandoned the plan amid widespread local criticism.

Dolan blasted Ocasio-Cortez’s support for diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. DEI has recently morphed into a political flashpoint, as corporations pull back initiatives implemented in the wake of protests following George Floyd’s 2020 murder, though criticism has more often come from Republicans.

He also accused the lawmaker of “importing immigrants and exporting decent contributing taxpayers,” he said, referring to residents who have fled to Florida and other states. The immigration issue has become ubiquitous in New York over the past year as city and state leaders grapple with how to house, feed and care for the nearly 180,000 migrants who’ve arrived in the city since 2022.

“There’s been nobody who’s more in favor of immigration than AOC, and there’s been no worse thing that’s happened in New York in the last year,” Dolan said.

https://www.martydolanforcongress.com/news/bloomberg-reports%3A-ex-wall-street-banker-takes-on-aoc-in-new-york-democratic-primary

He thinks it's bad that she agreed with the widespread local criticism of Amazon. He's a DEI-basher. Hmm, he's pretty damn right wing, isn't he?

Did you support him when he was running against Jamaal Bowman in the district he lives in? Or is it only when he decided he'd get embarrassed in 3rd place there that you're supporting him going somewhere else, to complain about "immigrants" in a district he doesn't live in?

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
41. I wish he'd won that one against Bowman.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:17 PM
Mar 16

I suppose that to people who are on the far left edge of the political spectrum/horseshoe, it's easy to view anyone, even centrists or left-centrists as being "right-wing". I'm happy being a centrists and a left-centrist regardless of the insults anyone wants to hurl in my direction.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
46. No-one's insulting you. We're saying you're promoting a right winger.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:56 PM
Mar 16

That's not an insult; it's a judgement of your political posture.

What do you think about Dolan's attitude to immigrants?

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
47. So insinuating that I'm a right-winger is not an insult/smear/attack *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:59 PM
Mar 16
>>That's not an insult; it's a judgement of your political posture.
* got it. Thanks.

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
56. The word was "insinuating".
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:46 PM
Mar 18

Re-read post 46 and 47, again. Oopsie's "political stance" was being questioned over supporting a "right winger", so, yes, I would call that insinuating.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
49. You seem unwilling to talk about the immigrant stance you quoted in the OP
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 03:00 PM
Mar 16

You seemed to approve of it, then. Do you still now, in the cold light of day? Or is it that you don't like AOC, and you were taking "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" approach, but now you realise how misguided that is?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
55. It's funny how all those "reasonable centrists" seem to be going after immigrants.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:33 PM
Mar 18

I guess leveraging a disgusting wedge issue fascist republicans have been pushing is fair game.

What these anti immigrant politicians are doing is disgusting. And so are their fans.

We have one here. I just received a flyer from some “reasonable centrist” calling my Congressman an “open border Democrat “ - fucking disgusting

peppertree

(21,639 posts)
80. And frankly, an Argentine-American Wall Street creature is not exactly what Congress needs right now
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 03:23 PM
Mar 19

Speaking as an Argentine-American myself (parents), I can tell you that managing money is either a) not their strong suit; or b) it is, and you don't want them anywhere near it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/110888155

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
14. It will be a formidable challenge. An incumbent always has an advantage. But, her lack of *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 09:44 AM
Mar 16

* legislative accomplishments in 5+ years will likely be used against her by the Dolan campaign. In the end, what people need are results not pie-in-the-sky promises, not an unwillingness to find common ground for the sake of --actual-- progress. His more moderate approach looks to me as something that will accomplish more than angry fist-pumping emotional fundraising ads that we see so often. I'm hopeful for him.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
16. Yes. And in 2020 the lack of legislative accomplishments *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 10:04 AM
Mar 16

* after such a short time in Congress and while still "learning the ropes" etc... it certainly made sense to cut-some-slack for a young newcomer still in the "honeymoon" phase. But that was 4 years ago. Now... I think that Dolan will be able to use that to his advantage. He certainly seems to be a more mature candidate that's better organized.

>> How did that work out?
In response to the Dr. Phil snark... I can only say that "past results do not guarantee future performance".

SocialDemocrat61

(607 posts)
17. The average voter doesn't care about
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 10:17 AM
Mar 16

“Legislative accomplishments”. They want elected officials who they identify with, listen to them and care about their problems. A white male Wall Street banker doesn’t fit especially in that district.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
18. That's a fascinating way of looking at things. It makes more sense to me that voters *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:07 AM
Mar 16

* would want to elect someone who can actually do things that SOLVE their problems... with (gasp!) legislative accomplishments, and being willing to (gasp!) compromise and find common ground by (gasp!) reaching across the aisle... rather than simply passively listening and caring. In this area, I believe that she's vulnerable.

Clearly, his business experience and his MBA will serve him and his constituents well. It's unclear to me why his race, gender or experience would be viewed as something negative. And I do not believe he's literally a "Wall Street banker" ... or is that just a meaningless catch-all bingo-card buzzword smear for anyone with his level of experience and competence and vision? (I can find nothing that confirms his previous employment as a banker, but if you have any other info, I'll be glad to take a look.)

In many ways, that reminds me of the "Wall Street" smears used against Hillary, too. Interesting. Oh dear! People from New York City have "Wall Street" connections and experience, and they're all corrupt "white-men". Please. Mercy sakes-alive. Tell that to Nadler, or Goldman will ya! LOL!

We need more like Nadler and Goldman in Congress!

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
21. Serioiusly?
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:49 AM
Mar 16

Surely you haven't forgotten that her first FOUR years were served with a Democratic majority and only recently did Nancy Pelosi have to relinquish her role as Speaker of the House.

So, while we're on the subject. I'm sure you're familiar with Lauren Underwood, who has had the same amount of time in the House as AO-C. During that time, SEVEN bills made it to the floor (seven-times that of AO-C), two of those passed the House, and one was signed into law. (At least I hope you're familiar with her. It would make sense if you've never heard of her. She's not a household name, and clearly, spends a lot of time doing hard work, rather than chasing TV interviews or posting youtube videos.)

In any case, she's served the same amount of time in the House as her AO-C, and under the same party makeup. This important distinction and fact is something's not likely to be overlooked by Marty Dolan. AO-C is vulnerable in that area and he'll likely use it to his advantage.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
24. LOL! How many more do you need? -- I recognize this game *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:00 PM
Mar 16

* when my kids were adolescents and teens, they tried this often. My suggestion is to do your own research. You're an adult. It's not difficult to find. --- This silliness could go on for hours... I won't get drawn in for anyone's entertainment purposes. It's like a Monty Python gag that starts off with "What have the Romans ever done for us?!"

XERXES: The aqueduct.
REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.
LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?
REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
MATTHIAS: And the roads.
REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--


Emile

(22,789 posts)
26. You are the one claiming legislative accomplishments
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:06 PM
Mar 16

by junior congressional members is piece of cake with a Republican majority.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
28. I've made no such claim. You are ignoring that she had four years with a Democratic majority *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:08 PM
Mar 16

* the same as Underwood, who does have a legislative record that she can be proud of.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
33. No. Four years with a Democratic majority. And 1.5 years (so far) *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:48 PM
Mar 16

* with a Republican majority.

AOC, was first elected to the United States Congress in November 2018. The majority party in the House of Representatives at that time was the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi stepped down as speaker in November of 2022... almost two years ago.

>> Four years with half of it under a Republican majority.
This is not correct. Please stop saying it.

SocialDemocrat61

(607 posts)
25. It's not a fascinating way of looking at things
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:02 PM
Mar 16

It's reality. Go to any congressional district in this country and ask the average person what are the "legislative accomplishments" of their Representative and less than 5% will be able to tell you anything.
But if you wish to continue to delude yourself that Dolan has a chance, go right ahead.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
27. I do not understand why you're getting so upset with me and making this personal.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:06 PM
Mar 16

I have a very realistic view, I'm not "deluded" in any way. I do not, however, think that this is something that Dolan will ignore. He'll use this weakness to his advantage. And (if we accept the percentage that was pulled out of thin-air, or elsewhere) then the remaining "95%" who are unaware of the facts will likely be MADE aware. It all depends on how his campaign handles things.

SocialDemocrat61

(607 posts)
30. No you don't
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:13 PM
Mar 16

You obviously don’t like AOC and you want to see her defeated so badly, you’ve convinced yourself that it can happen.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
31. It's not about me. Stop trying to make this about me.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:30 PM
Mar 16

I have a very realistic outlook. I'm not "delusional" and the personal insults are completely unnecessary. The fact that I prefer one candidate over another does not mean that I have any personal feelings of animosity toward his opponent. There's a lot of projection going on here, aimed in my direction, and I certainly don't deserve this. Please stop.

SocialDemocrat61

(607 posts)
32. Here are the demographics of that district
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:34 PM
Mar 16
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/50000US3614-congressional-district-14-ny/

Dolan doesn’t fit that district, AOC does which is why she’s won every election and primary in that district most with over 70% of the vote.

name not needed

(11,660 posts)
20. Oh boy, another milquetoast boomer centrist
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:16 AM
Mar 16

I'm sure he's totally dedicated to public service and this isn't just so he can make millions trading off insider information.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
39. A Wall Street banker.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:11 PM
Mar 16

I mean, who more adequately represents the people than a former Wall Street banker who invests in Wall Street now that he's retired?

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
36. Er, no thank you.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:02 PM
Mar 16

I backed AOC back when she was an unknown, looking to unseat Crowley in the primary. She is a much needed voice in DC. Think, for but one example, who is better able to get young voters to the polls to support President Biden in November -- AOC or Dolan?

I'm not in the 14th, but I donate to AOC. That is because like a significant number of Democrats, she represents the values that are important to me. I recognize that there are others in the party that want to muffle her voice, because she makes them uncomfortable.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
37. A retired Wall Street banker
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:08 PM
Mar 16

who makes his announcement -- without speaking of his background or policies. Gosh.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
43. I didn't read
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:42 PM
Mar 16

all of your responses here, so it is possible that you -- unlike Mr. Dolan -- mentioned his position as a Wall Street banker before retiring, to become an investor. He obviously has done well for himself, investing $55,000 of his $58,000 war chest, in "personal loans" to his campaign. Or that he had initially planned to run in the 16th District against Rep. Jamaal Bowman, before deciding on the 14th.

Dolan does get good coverage from the New York Post, surely the voice of the Democratic Party. You won't find a kind word about AOC -- or many other Democrats -- in that rag. Perhaps if you are looking for support for Dolan, you could link some NY Post articles?

Oopsie Daisy

(2,636 posts)
44. I cannot be held responsible for what the NYP does or doesn't write.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:44 PM
Mar 16
>> You won't find a kind word about AOC -- or many other Democrats -- in that rag.
Sorry, that's not my problem.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
45. Okay,
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:54 PM
Mar 16

if you don't want to link the NY Post's glowing articles on your candidate -- which is what I suggested, rather than what you responded to -- perhaps you could focus on how Wall Street bankers are underrepresented in the American politics? A minority group that needs more of a voice in DC? Focus on what he will do for this underserved class?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
50. Yes, "banker". It's in the title of the Bloomberg write-up that I quoted in #38
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 03:04 PM
Mar 16

and which is on Dolan's own site. Are you laughing because "banker" is also rhyming slang for "wanker"? Or did you genuinely not realise that your preferred candidate is a retired Wall Street banker?

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
51. Perhaps our friend
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 04:43 PM
Mar 16

forgot to tug on our heartstrings, by speaking of the suffering endured by Wall Street bankers (and wankers) in the 2008 housing crisis. Think of the pain of seeing the digits in their bank accounts rising at the same pace as homelessness. Keep in mind that it is said that Jesus spent a mere three days on the cross ..... hardly compares to Dolan's years on Wall Street, does it?

While AOC has wasted time working in cooperation with other Democrats on meaningless nonsense such as the environment, and passing the biggest bill in US history to battle climate change, taxing the opulently wealthy (who can least afford it, such as Wall Street bankers), passing the most meaningful gun control legislation in 30 years, strengthening medicare, getting $22 million in federal grants for local projects in her district, and more, she has betrayed her supporters. She has yet to voice so much as a hint that rather than investing her time on those things that reflect Democratic values, she could be meeting with maga republicans and expressing a willingness to meet them more than half way.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
62. Oh, thanks!
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 09:05 PM
Mar 18

I thought our friend asked a strange question. I'm not in the least interested in if he donates to Dolan, for example. I respect his right to identify his interests and values with Dolan to the extent that I do with AOC. I take that for granted. But, to paraphrase Malcolm X, it's not as if I said all the Wall Street bankers responsible for people losing their homes circa 2008 should themselves be homeless. I don't even know if that would be possible. Or if it would be a bad thing.

The three politicians that I've donated the most to since 2012, when I focused on President Obama's re-election, are AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Bernie Sanders.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
64. Answer: I don't donate to safe Democratic seats...
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 03:02 AM
Mar 19

…nor do I donate to hopeless causes (case in point, whomever is running against MTG). It’s essential that we win back the House, which means winning competitive states which don’t come with overwhelming pools of Democratic voters.

In the case of New York, we’ll have to fight over Districts 4, 17, 19 and 22, and ai can point you to 20 other seats around the country. Giving a dollar to AOC (which, honestly she won’t need in her Primary) is a dollar not given to a candidate we need to beat a Republican.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
81. Good answer.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 01:39 AM
Mar 21

The 19th could and should have been run the last time, as well as this year. I do not think the candidate is being well served by his campaign staff. I do understand the desire to score a job in DC if your candidate wins. That's a good thing. It has the most positive potential for all if there are good relationships between the staff and the grass roots. I'll speculate it is why AOC and her staff are as popular as they are.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
53. Is that the one - that references her record?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 01:36 PM
Mar 18

Last edited Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:58 PM - Edit history (3)

I was a bit disappointed by her record - but if it works for her constituents - then it is what it is.
AOC joined the house in 2019
Status of Legislation
*Introduced [47]
*Committee Consideration [7]
*Floor Consideration [1]


Contrast that with Lauren Underwood - also joined the House in 2019
Status of Legislation
Introduced[75]
Committee Consideration[22]
Floor Consideration[7]
Passed One Chamber[7]
Passed Both Chambers[1]
To President[1]
Became Law[1]



TRUST BUT VERIFY
The system of record I captured the data from is at https://www.congress.gov/
Search Members, Names and you can find out what your representative has done.

nuxvomica

(12,429 posts)
57. We don't need candidates who call other Dems "Radicals"
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:53 PM
Mar 18

He's a Wall Street guy who wants to cut taxes on other Wall Street guys.

Celerity

(43,415 posts)
70. I would need to see the letter's full text to judge for myself.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 08:59 AM
Mar 19

Compared to most other advanced western nations, the US has NO remotely 'radical' left members of Congress. None, zero.

AOC, Bernie, and the rest of the Squad would be considered bog standard social democrats, of the type we have thousands of here in the EU. People here laugh when they hear them called wild-eyed lefties or far left radicals.

Tgere us no radicalism in any of their policies if put forth in any other advanced western nation. We (putting on my Swedish cap) for but one intance, already have pretty much all of what they are pushing for agenda-wise.

The American ideological scale is so artificially slanted to the right that it distorts all measurement. Its why the country cannot have nice things, even once the stench of Trump is hopefully removed.

In so many nations people like Manchin, Henry Cuellar, and others would be considered middle of the road solid centre right to middle right wingers. Here in Sweden Manchin and Cuellar would be considered fairly hard right, especially on their drill baby drill, mine baby mine stances. Manchin's decades-long self-dealing would have never been remotely allowed either.

Celerity

(43,415 posts)
65. AOC will dispatch him with utter ease in the primary.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 03:47 AM
Mar 19

Btw, it was NOT AOC and the progs who opposed Biden’s agenda, it was some of the so-called moderates, the centrists and conservative Dems (No Labels Problem Solvers and Blue Dogs in the House working with Manchin and Sinema in the Senate) who gutted around $5.1 trillion from Biden's $6.1 trillion new spend in the 2 infrastructure bills frameworks. The progs all supported Biden's frameworks. They also supported the 2 major voter's rights bills that Manchin and Sinema blocked.

The progressives blocked nothing of Biden's agenda, the moderates, centrists, and conservatives where the ones who did that.

SocialDemocrat61

(607 posts)
77. To be fair
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 11:29 AM
Mar 19

In the 1770s Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Franklin were considered radicals.
In the 1850s Lincoln was considered a radical.
In the 1930s FDR was considered a radical.
They were all considered radicals until they weren't. Anyone who pushes back against the status quo is called a radical. Which is why we need radicals. Unfortunately, some are desperately clinging to the status quo because it works for them and don't care that it doesn't work for everyone.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
72. I get so confused. Number one rule here "Don't run against a Democrat"
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 10:58 AM
Mar 19

Guess that should be qualified unless it's a centrist running against a progressive. A Wall Street banker is just the one we "need to "reset" our society's income inequality and harmonize regional differences in social policy."
Like we need a fucking hole in the head.

Maybe see if Manchin or Sinema are available to run against her.

Voltaire2

(13,061 posts)
79. Obviously he entered the wrong party primary.
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 02:51 PM
Mar 19

It happens. Next time Dolan should double check his paperwork.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
82. Is this the same guy who was gonna challenge Jamaal Bowman in NY-16 last year?
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 12:05 AM
Mar 22
October 1, 2023

By Bar­rett Sea­man—

In­ter­na­tional fi­nance ex­ec­u­tive and Irv­ing­ton na­tive Mar­tin (“Marty”) Dolan is de­clar­ing that he plans to en­ter the De­mo­c­ra­tic Party pri­mary next year for the Dis­trict 16 seat cur­rently held by Rep. Ja­maal Bow­man.

The lat­est New York State re­dis­trict­ing map (which may yet be re­vised again) puts the Town of Green­burgh, in­clud­ing the river­towns of Irv­ing­ton, Dobbs Ferry, Ard­s­ley and Hast­ings-on-Hud­son, as well as a sliver of Tar­ry­town into the dis­trict, which also em­braces the sound shore com­mu­ni­ties from parts of the Bronx to Portch­ester.

https://thehudsonindependent.com/irvingtons-marty-dolan-launches-challenge-to-jamaal-bowman-in-ny-16/

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
83. Wow. So Marty thinks, "we need to reset our society's income inequality"
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 12:23 AM
Mar 22

Say Marty, tell us lowly peons how exactly you spent the last 4 decades of your career.

Is it possible that the very firms you dedicated your career to might have had some responsible for "society's income inequality?"

Ya know... Sa­lomon Broth­ers.
Lehman Broth­ers.
Mor­gan Stan­ley.
J.P. Mor­gan-Chase.
etc.

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