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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMarty Dolan for Congress (NY-14) ... "Rollin' with Dolan!"
He strikes me as someone who will take his job seriously and do the hard work for his constituents... rather than trying to feather his own nest or engage in performance-politics by opposing Democrats and sabotaging the Biden agenda. Dolan is a breath of fresh air. It sounds like he has an actual plan rather than a laundry-list of complaints. He's got is OWN ideas and won't be beholden to radical PACs and orgs that want to destroy/re-make the Democratic Party.
These are very exciting times! Many opportunities ahead! It will be interesting to watch!
https://www.martydolanforcongress.com/
The June 25th, 2024 primary will be a referendum: are we better or worse off from following Radical policies?
We are all for the "progress" implied by the word Progressive. However, within the Progressive movement, there are Radicals whose influence on the Democratic Party is overweight.
The impact in NYC is obvious: bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free, scarce resources directed to (non-sanctuary) immigrants coming from all over the world.
These difficulties must be addressed in the context of a runaway $34 trillion federal debt and NYC's 14% marginal tax rate. Regional tax inequality is far more exaggerated in the USA than in any other country. Losing 500,000 taxpayers is unsustainable: fixing this must be our overwhelming priority.
The Radicals can't deliver more than breadcrumbs when they ignore that the primary breadwinners are leaving and brush off taxpayer concerns in favor of abstract populist ideologies.
Enough is enough.
New Yorkers have seen it all, including scams like the Radicals offer. But we know better that New Yorkers want NYC to be the best city in the best country in the world.
We also urgently need to "reset" our society's income inequality and harmonize regional differences in social policy. We call our approach the 'Hamilton Plan v. 2.0' in honor of one of our greatest New Yorkers, Alexander Hamilton, who forged the independent colonies into a great republic.
Our founders left us the blueprint. E pluribus unum: of many, one.
We have just drifted off course.
Let us move forward together as one people.
Let us not wait another two years for the same result.
Let us reset on June 25th.
It is the honor of a lifetime to ask to represent you in this mission.
Think. Again.
(8,187 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)From the perspective of anyone on the far left, I suppose it's only natural that everyone else automatically gets labeled and smeared with an accusation of being "on the right" regardless of what their experience is and what their agenda and plans are. It all depends on where one is at that moment, and what they hope to accomplish and anyone on the extreme ends of the political horseshoe will always be suspicious of "the other".
I think that Dolan will be campaigning from a position of strength when it comes to pointing out the number of his opponent's legislative accomplishments, as well as the number of votes against the Biden agenda.
And, he's a Grateful Dead fan. 🧸🐻
Think. Again.
(8,187 posts)...the rightwinger's constant hard right pulling by meeting them in the 'center' that they slowly move more right with each election.
If we REALLY want to keep things balanced in a fair center position, we must pull as hard to the left as they pull to the right, which is a very, very hard pulling.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)Just stop. The "never compromise" philosophy of his opponent is why so little gets done. The all-or-nothing philosophy typically results in nothing being accomplished. I'd rather give and take and find common ground in order to make progress. I'd think that any politician who self-identifies as "progressive" would want to actually make the difficult choices that lead to (ahem) PROGRESS. No? Everything else is just performance politics, youtube clickbait, and faking outrage/tears/etc for the sake of fundraising newsletters or selling books, sweatshirts and other "merch".
He seems like a reasonable alternative, and someone who will support Democrats and the Biden agenda. A loyal Democrat who's looking for actual progress rather than a youtube opportunity.
Think. Again.
(8,187 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)That's how elections are supposed to work. Challenging and defeating an incumbent will be difficult, but it can be done. I think he'll be able to capitalize on obvious weaknesses and a lack of any legislative accomplishments and the lukewarm support of the Biden agenda. Those are things in his favor.
Emile
(22,789 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)She's being primaried. He's going to point out her weaknesses as part of his campaign, and his supporters will do the same. Get used to it. There will be more to come, I'm sure.
In the future, please refrain from making accusations like that about me or my motivations.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)"rather than trying to feather his own nest or engage in performance-politics by opposing Democrats and sabotaging the Biden agenda. Dolan is a breath of fresh air. It sounds like he has an actual plan rather than a laundry-list of complaints. He's got is OWN ideas and won't be beholden to radical PACs and orgs that want to destroy/re-make the Democratic Party."
Seriously, what was your motivation to post that on DU?
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)That's not bashing. This is primary season. There's a lot more ahead. Toughen up.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)it is not bashing.
So, we have established your OP was designed to bash a Democrat, with a way over-the-top attack. You want us to "contrast and compare". OK, you approvingly quote Dolan bashing immigrants. And he really does have it in for immigrants (contrasting them to "decent" taxpayers - which is both an idiotic thing - immigrants pay taxes too - and also bigoted - it implies immigrants are not "decent" ), and has the usual Wall Street banker concerns about the deficit, rather than constituents:
Dolan blasted Ocasio-Cortezs support for diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. DEI has recently morphed into a political flashpoint, as corporations pull back initiatives implemented in the wake of protests following George Floyds 2020 murder, though criticism has more often come from Republicans.
He also accused the lawmaker of importing immigrants and exporting decent contributing taxpayers, he said, referring to residents who have fled to Florida and other states. The immigration issue has become ubiquitous in New York over the past year as city and state leaders grapple with how to house, feed and care for the nearly 180,000 migrants whove arrived in the city since 2022.
Theres been nobody whos more in favor of immigration than AOC, and theres been no worse thing thats happened in New York in the last year, Dolan said.
https://www.martydolanforcongress.com/news/bloomberg-reports%3A-ex-wall-street-banker-takes-on-aoc-in-new-york-democratic-primary
He thinks it's bad that she agreed with the widespread local criticism of Amazon. He's a DEI-basher. Hmm, he's pretty damn right wing, isn't he?
Did you support him when he was running against Jamaal Bowman in the district he lives in? Or is it only when he decided he'd get embarrassed in 3rd place there that you're supporting him going somewhere else, to complain about "immigrants" in a district he doesn't live in?
GrapesOfWrath
(524 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)I suppose that to people who are on the far left edge of the political spectrum/horseshoe, it's easy to view anyone, even centrists or left-centrists as being "right-wing". I'm happy being a centrists and a left-centrist regardless of the insults anyone wants to hurl in my direction.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)That's not an insult; it's a judgement of your political posture.
What do you think about Dolan's attitude to immigrants?
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)* got it. Thanks.
Emile
(22,789 posts)called you a right-winger.
yagotme
(2,919 posts)Re-read post 46 and 47, again. Oopsie's "political stance" was being questioned over supporting a "right winger", so, yes, I would call that insinuating.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)You seemed to approve of it, then. Do you still now, in the cold light of day? Or is it that you don't like AOC, and you were taking "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" approach, but now you realise how misguided that is?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)I guess leveraging a disgusting wedge issue fascist republicans have been pushing is fair game.
What these anti immigrant politicians are doing is disgusting. And so are their fans.
We have one here. I just received a flyer from some reasonable centrist calling my Congressman an open border Democrat - fucking disgusting
Emile
(22,789 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)He's certainly got my support!
Emile
(22,789 posts)I put my money on AOC.
peppertree
(21,639 posts)Speaking as an Argentine-American myself (parents), I can tell you that managing money is either a) not their strong suit; or b) it is, and you don't want them anywhere near it.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/110888155
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)* legislative accomplishments in 5+ years will likely be used against her by the Dolan campaign. In the end, what people need are results not pie-in-the-sky promises, not an unwillingness to find common ground for the sake of --actual-- progress. His more moderate approach looks to me as something that will accomplish more than angry fist-pumping emotional fundraising ads that we see so often. I'm hopeful for him.
SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)How did that work out?
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)* after such a short time in Congress and while still "learning the ropes" etc... it certainly made sense to cut-some-slack for a young newcomer still in the "honeymoon" phase. But that was 4 years ago. Now... I think that Dolan will be able to use that to his advantage. He certainly seems to be a more mature candidate that's better organized.
>> How did that work out?
In response to the Dr. Phil snark... I can only say that "past results do not guarantee future performance".
SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)Legislative accomplishments. They want elected officials who they identify with, listen to them and care about their problems. A white male Wall Street banker doesnt fit especially in that district.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)* would want to elect someone who can actually do things that SOLVE their problems... with (gasp!) legislative accomplishments, and being willing to (gasp!) compromise and find common ground by (gasp!) reaching across the aisle... rather than simply passively listening and caring. In this area, I believe that she's vulnerable.
Clearly, his business experience and his MBA will serve him and his constituents well. It's unclear to me why his race, gender or experience would be viewed as something negative. And I do not believe he's literally a "Wall Street banker" ... or is that just a meaningless catch-all bingo-card buzzword smear for anyone with his level of experience and competence and vision? (I can find nothing that confirms his previous employment as a banker, but if you have any other info, I'll be glad to take a look.)
In many ways, that reminds me of the "Wall Street" smears used against Hillary, too. Interesting. Oh dear! People from New York City have "Wall Street" connections and experience, and they're all corrupt "white-men". Please. Mercy sakes-alive. Tell that to Nadler, or Goldman will ya! LOL!
We need more like Nadler and Goldman in Congress!
Emile
(22,789 posts)congressman made with a Republican majority?
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)Surely you haven't forgotten that her first FOUR years were served with a Democratic majority and only recently did Nancy Pelosi have to relinquish her role as Speaker of the House.
So, while we're on the subject. I'm sure you're familiar with Lauren Underwood, who has had the same amount of time in the House as AO-C. During that time, SEVEN bills made it to the floor (seven-times that of AO-C), two of those passed the House, and one was signed into law. (At least I hope you're familiar with her. It would make sense if you've never heard of her. She's not a household name, and clearly, spends a lot of time doing hard work, rather than chasing TV interviews or posting youtube videos.)
In any case, she's served the same amount of time in the House as her AO-C, and under the same party makeup. This important distinction and fact is something's not likely to be overlooked by Marty Dolan. AO-C is vulnerable in that area and he'll likely use it to his advantage.
Emile
(22,789 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)* when my kids were adolescents and teens, they tried this often. My suggestion is to do your own research. You're an adult. It's not difficult to find. --- This silliness could go on for hours... I won't get drawn in for anyone's entertainment purposes. It's like a Monty Python gag that starts off with "What have the Romans ever done for us?!"
REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.
LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?
REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
MATTHIAS: And the roads.
REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--
Emile
(22,789 posts)by junior congressional members is piece of cake with a Republican majority.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)* the same as Underwood, who does have a legislative record that she can be proud of.
Emile
(22,789 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)* with a Republican majority.
AOC, was first elected to the United States Congress in November 2018. The majority party in the House of Representatives at that time was the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi stepped down as speaker in November of 2022... almost two years ago.
>> Four years with half of it under a Republican majority.
This is not correct. Please stop saying it.
Emile
(22,789 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)It's reality. Go to any congressional district in this country and ask the average person what are the "legislative accomplishments" of their Representative and less than 5% will be able to tell you anything.
But if you wish to continue to delude yourself that Dolan has a chance, go right ahead.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)I have a very realistic view, I'm not "deluded" in any way. I do not, however, think that this is something that Dolan will ignore. He'll use this weakness to his advantage. And (if we accept the percentage that was pulled out of thin-air, or elsewhere) then the remaining "95%" who are unaware of the facts will likely be MADE aware. It all depends on how his campaign handles things.
SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)You obviously dont like AOC and you want to see her defeated so badly, youve convinced yourself that it can happen.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)I have a very realistic outlook. I'm not "delusional" and the personal insults are completely unnecessary. The fact that I prefer one candidate over another does not mean that I have any personal feelings of animosity toward his opponent. There's a lot of projection going on here, aimed in my direction, and I certainly don't deserve this. Please stop.
SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)Dolan doesnt fit that district, AOC does which is why shes won every election and primary in that district most with over 70% of the vote.
name not needed
(11,660 posts)I'm sure he's totally dedicated to public service and this isn't just so he can make millions trading off insider information.
GrapesOfWrath
(524 posts)Nailed it
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)I mean, who more adequately represents the people than a former Wall Street banker who invests in Wall Street now that he's retired?
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)I backed AOC back when she was an unknown, looking to unseat Crowley in the primary. She is a much needed voice in DC. Think, for but one example, who is better able to get young voters to the polls to support President Biden in November -- AOC or Dolan?
I'm not in the 14th, but I donate to AOC. That is because like a significant number of Democrats, she represents the values that are important to me. I recognize that there are others in the party that want to muffle her voice, because she makes them uncomfortable.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)who makes his announcement -- without speaking of his background or policies. Gosh.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)all of your responses here, so it is possible that you -- unlike Mr. Dolan -- mentioned his position as a Wall Street banker before retiring, to become an investor. He obviously has done well for himself, investing $55,000 of his $58,000 war chest, in "personal loans" to his campaign. Or that he had initially planned to run in the 16th District against Rep. Jamaal Bowman, before deciding on the 14th.
Dolan does get good coverage from the New York Post, surely the voice of the Democratic Party. You won't find a kind word about AOC -- or many other Democrats -- in that rag. Perhaps if you are looking for support for Dolan, you could link some NY Post articles?
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)Sorry, that's not my problem.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)if you don't want to link the NY Post's glowing articles on your candidate -- which is what I suggested, rather than what you responded to -- perhaps you could focus on how Wall Street bankers are underrepresented in the American politics? A minority group that needs more of a voice in DC? Focus on what he will do for this underserved class?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)and which is on Dolan's own site. Are you laughing because "banker" is also rhyming slang for "wanker"? Or did you genuinely not realise that your preferred candidate is a retired Wall Street banker?
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)forgot to tug on our heartstrings, by speaking of the suffering endured by Wall Street bankers (and wankers) in the 2008 housing crisis. Think of the pain of seeing the digits in their bank accounts rising at the same pace as homelessness. Keep in mind that it is said that Jesus spent a mere three days on the cross ..... hardly compares to Dolan's years on Wall Street, does it?
While AOC has wasted time working in cooperation with other Democrats on meaningless nonsense such as the environment, and passing the biggest bill in US history to battle climate change, taxing the opulently wealthy (who can least afford it, such as Wall Street bankers), passing the most meaningful gun control legislation in 30 years, strengthening medicare, getting $22 million in federal grants for local projects in her district, and more, she has betrayed her supporters. She has yet to voice so much as a hint that rather than investing her time on those things that reflect Democratic values, she could be meeting with maga republicans and expressing a willingness to meet them more than half way.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)She has $5.7 M in the bank.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)to the exact candidates I want to, and afford every person the right to do the same.
SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)I thought our friend asked a strange question. I'm not in the least interested in if he donates to Dolan, for example. I respect his right to identify his interests and values with Dolan to the extent that I do with AOC. I take that for granted. But, to paraphrase Malcolm X, it's not as if I said all the Wall Street bankers responsible for people losing their homes circa 2008 should themselves be homeless. I don't even know if that would be possible. Or if it would be a bad thing.
The three politicians that I've donated the most to since 2012, when I focused on President Obama's re-election, are AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Bernie Sanders.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)
nor do I donate to hopeless causes (case in point, whomever is running against MTG). Its essential that we win back the House, which means winning competitive states which dont come with overwhelming pools of Democratic voters.
In the case of New York, well have to fight over Districts 4, 17, 19 and 22, and ai can point you to 20 other seats around the country. Giving a dollar to AOC (which, honestly she wont need in her Primary) is a dollar not given to a candidate we need to beat a Republican.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)The 19th could and should have been run the last time, as well as this year. I do not think the candidate is being well served by his campaign staff. I do understand the desire to score a job in DC if your candidate wins. That's a good thing. It has the most positive potential for all if there are good relationships between the staff and the grass roots. I'll speculate it is why AOC and her staff are as popular as they are.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)I like them.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)I am glad that there will be a primary contest
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:58 PM - Edit history (3)
I was a bit disappointed by her record - but if it works for her constituents - then it is what it is.
AOC joined the house in 2019
Status of Legislation
*Introduced [47]
*Committee Consideration [7]
*Floor Consideration [1]
Contrast that with Lauren Underwood - also joined the House in 2019
Status of Legislation
Introduced[75]
Committee Consideration[22]
Floor Consideration[7]
Passed One Chamber[7]
Passed Both Chambers[1]
To President[1]
Became Law[1]
TRUST BUT VERIFY
The system of record I captured the data from is at https://www.congress.gov/
Search Members, Names and you can find out what your representative has done.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)They care about stuff like this: https://bronx.news12.com/aoc-secures-more-than-75-million-in-funds-for-community-projects-in-the-bronx
nuxvomica
(12,429 posts)He's a Wall Street guy who wants to cut taxes on other Wall Street guys.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)Fundraising email from her (9/25/23)
Celerity
(43,415 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)Celerity
(43,415 posts)Compared to most other advanced western nations, the US has NO remotely 'radical' left members of Congress. None, zero.
AOC, Bernie, and the rest of the Squad would be considered bog standard social democrats, of the type we have thousands of here in the EU. People here laugh when they hear them called wild-eyed lefties or far left radicals.
Tgere us no radicalism in any of their policies if put forth in any other advanced western nation. We (putting on my Swedish cap) for but one intance, already have pretty much all of what they are pushing for agenda-wise.
The American ideological scale is so artificially slanted to the right that it distorts all measurement. Its why the country cannot have nice things, even once the stench of Trump is hopefully removed.
In so many nations people like Manchin, Henry Cuellar, and others would be considered middle of the road solid centre right to middle right wingers. Here in Sweden Manchin and Cuellar would be considered fairly hard right, especially on their drill baby drill, mine baby mine stances. Manchin's decades-long self-dealing would have never been remotely allowed either.
Celerity
(43,415 posts)Btw, it was NOT AOC and the progs who opposed Bidens agenda, it was some of the so-called moderates, the centrists and conservative Dems (No Labels Problem Solvers and Blue Dogs in the House working with Manchin and Sinema in the Senate) who gutted around $5.1 trillion from Biden's $6.1 trillion new spend in the 2 infrastructure bills frameworks. The progs all supported Biden's frameworks. They also supported the 2 major voter's rights bills that Manchin and Sinema blocked.
The progressives blocked nothing of Biden's agenda, the moderates, centrists, and conservatives where the ones who did that.
Rhiannon12866
(205,509 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(607 posts)In the 1770s Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Franklin were considered radicals.
In the 1850s Lincoln was considered a radical.
In the 1930s FDR was considered a radical.
They were all considered radicals until they weren't. Anyone who pushes back against the status quo is called a radical. Which is why we need radicals. Unfortunately, some are desperately clinging to the status quo because it works for them and don't care that it doesn't work for everyone.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)Guess that should be qualified unless it's a centrist running against a progressive. A Wall Street banker is just the one we "need to "reset" our society's income inequality and harmonize regional differences in social policy."
Like we need a fucking hole in the head.
Maybe see if Manchin or Sinema are available to run against her.
Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)Autumn
(45,107 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,636 posts)Voltaire2
(13,061 posts)It happens. Next time Dolan should double check his paperwork.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)By Barrett Seaman
International finance executive and Irvington native Martin (Marty) Dolan is declaring that he plans to enter the Democratic Party primary next year for the District 16 seat currently held by Rep. Jamaal Bowman.
The latest New York State redistricting map (which may yet be revised again) puts the Town of Greenburgh, including the rivertowns of Irvington, Dobbs Ferry, Ardsley and Hastings-on-Hudson, as well as a sliver of Tarrytown into the district, which also embraces the sound shore communities from parts of the Bronx to Portchester.
https://thehudsonindependent.com/irvingtons-marty-dolan-launches-challenge-to-jamaal-bowman-in-ny-16/
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Say Marty, tell us lowly peons how exactly you spent the last 4 decades of your career.
Is it possible that the very firms you dedicated your career to might have had some responsible for "society's income inequality?"
Ya know... Salomon Brothers.
Lehman Brothers.
Morgan Stanley.
J.P. Morgan-Chase.
etc.