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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:06 AM Mar 21

The point is that the voters should never have been put under the duress of a Trump candidacy...

He betrayed this country and should never have been on the ballot, in the first place. Only someone who has been asleep for the last 4 years does not know that he incited an insurrection against our government.

He should have been prevented from running by the 14th Amendment. But the Supreme Court ruled otherwise. In perhaps the most important Amendment in our Constitution, they chose to ignore it.

Now, voters are under the duress of having a possible treasonous dictator as the next president.

It really wasn't necessary.

If Justice had only done its job.

Our system has failed the people up to this point.

Few expect it to change in the near future.

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The point is that the voters should never have been put under the duress of a Trump candidacy... (Original Post) kentuck Mar 21 OP
It's the Republicans that are doing this to us, not a broken system. Only broken because they are there Walleye Mar 21 #1
It's only broken because they are breaking it. lastlib Mar 21 #3
It's their main objective in life, they make no bones about it Walleye Mar 21 #9
Where do Republicans come from? Farmer-Rick Mar 21 #22
".....capital's unlimited accumulation and control over every function in society." jaxexpat Mar 21 #25
We seriously need to raise the upper tax brackets Walleye Mar 21 #33
Turn the whole process over to Elizabeth Warren. jaxexpat Mar 21 #37
Good idea, she knows better about all this stuff than anybody else Walleye Mar 21 #38
And who all let trump crime in NY for decades? lostnfound Mar 21 #28
The GOP deliberately places stress on Americans. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #2
American public is already worn down. Look how quickly they go to "both sides do it" etc. Walleye Mar 21 #10
Yes exactly, this is part of the acceptance stage of victimization. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #11
It's a long crazy train in the media Walleye Mar 21 #12
Yes the media is part of the crazy train. They are enablers of societal/political abuse. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #13
I can't figure out why they're so intent on doing that Walleye Mar 21 #14
They do what they are paid to do. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Irish_Dem Mar 21 #20
RATINGS AND CLICKS johnnyfins Mar 21 #24
Well said. When people say they don't understand how a whole country can accept a ruthless dictator Cheezoholic Mar 21 #18
Yes it is a well known psychological strategy. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #21
I've said for years now slightlv Mar 21 #43
Yes it is like domestic violence, it traumatizes the victims. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #44
We voters and all who reside in America.... FarPoint Mar 21 #4
The attack on the not-rich started long before TSF NanaCat Mar 21 #27
Keep in mind that Trump is just an instrument of the ruling class -- predominantly white, wealthy KPN Mar 21 #30
If Mitch McConnell had done the right thing back in 2021, we would not have Trump as a candidate now. Lonestarblue Mar 21 #5
Amen to this. ShazzieB Mar 22 #50
But here we are............................ Lovie777 Mar 21 #6
It is a Gigantic Godzilla-sized Gaslighting to Abuse the Public into Submission bucolic_frolic Mar 21 #7
True words. Hope22 Mar 21 #8
THIS! All fucking day long. If we had an attorney general interested in doing his actual job, that orange cancer would onecaliberal Mar 21 #15
While there are things Garland could do differently NanaCat Mar 21 #29
Garland 90-percent Mar 21 #32
Because he's in their team. onecaliberal Mar 21 #36
If he would have appointed the special council from the get go we wouldn't be here now. onecaliberal Mar 21 #35
SC Smith has done a great job, no doubt as late as it was that he was appointed. But Garland didn't even have to... brush Mar 22 #54
Unnecessary duress Jean Genie Mar 21 #16
They are stuck with the stable jeenyus. twodogsbarking Mar 21 #17
Class Action Lawsuit Koinos Mar 21 #23
It is judicial fascism plain and simple. GreenWave Mar 21 #26
The first time djt got into the Oval Office,... magicarpet Mar 21 #31
If N.Y State had followed up on his crimes back when he was committing them, recent history would be way different. nt TeamProg Mar 21 #34
The Subversive, Corrupt Court of the U.S. wants to eliminate the 14th Amendment. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 21 #39
Institutions have failed us orangecrush Mar 21 #40
The US Congress could have passed a law that he had insurrected and was ineligible. maxsolomon Mar 21 #41
any slightly ethical or moral person, barbtries Mar 21 #42
I felt like "chicken little" IbogaProject Mar 21 #45
I can only hope we can shore our instututions up after he's gone. D23MIURG23 Mar 22 #46
Kentuck your the greatest samplegirl Mar 22 #47
2016 czarjak Mar 22 #48
I've gotten sick of spending my days worrying about the imbeciles ThoughtCriminal Mar 22 #49
But we are, so we have to vote in November. RandySF Mar 22 #51
Systems fail, people fail, the future's dark. That's life. betsuni Mar 22 #52
Agreed! Why is a candidate allowed to run to lead the government he attempted to overthrow?! Makes no sense to me... Rhiannon12866 Mar 22 #53

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
1. It's the Republicans that are doing this to us, not a broken system. Only broken because they are there
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:09 AM
Mar 21

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
3. It's only broken because they are breaking it.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:14 AM
Mar 21

The GOPee and their traitorous fascist pig candidate.

(apologies to pigs.)

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
9. It's their main objective in life, they make no bones about it
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:56 AM
Mar 21

What exactly is the administrative state?
It’s the United States government, dammit!

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
22. Where do Republicans come from?
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 11:01 AM
Mar 21

Well it seems that the ones who give the Republican party huge amounts of campaign loot are a handful of filthy-rich American capitalist.

They are usually old white men who favor Nazi values. They are radical Christians who want Christianity to rule the US as law.

If the Republican donors so easily broke our political and governmental systems. Then anyone could have done it, as long as they had a lot of loot or capital. It just happened to be a corrupted political party.

But the Federalist Society, and their capital providers and supporters the Koch Bros., certainly participated in making a double standard judicial system. And they could have broken our systems by themselves if given more time.

The NRA was also a huge contibuter to the destruction of American systems. Their vast wealth and capital seems to have come from Putin and gun runners. If their illegal connections and misappropriations had not been exposed, they could have easily broken our systems by themselves.

What do all three groups have in common? Access to vast amounts of wealth. More wealth and capitol than a small country has.

What I am saying is that our capitalist system is to blame. It allows for capital's unlimited accumulation and control over every function in society. This easily corrupted economic system has set democracy up for destruction and taken it to the brink of fascism.

Let's hope we can pull it back.

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
25. ".....capital's unlimited accumulation and control over every function in society."
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 11:51 AM
Mar 21

Greed, like all psychoses, has no reward but misery and death.

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
37. Turn the whole process over to Elizabeth Warren.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 01:06 PM
Mar 21

She has a better understanding and remedy for our "very American" economic psychosis than any political personality I can name.

She's gotten sidelined during our Trumpian emergency. That's done inestimable damage to our prospects. Hell, the GOP has even brought out the old "Social Security must be cut" canard. Basically, that's their MO for claiming victory in the midst of their self-imposed disaster. Tenacious, they are, Skywalker.

lostnfound

(16,184 posts)
28. And who all let trump crime in NY for decades?
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:05 PM
Mar 21

Personally, we should get a full accounting and investigation to how his fraud and criminal behavior continued for so many years.
Ain’t no justice in a country where some can be shot by cops in their bedroom sleeping or where little people get trapped in jail for small fines they can’t pay;
But a rich bully like Trump gets a pass 40 years when you know the politicians and the cops had to know he was a cheater, a liar, and running around with the Russian mob.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
2. The GOP deliberately places stress on Americans.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:13 AM
Mar 21

It is a fascist ploy to wear down the populace, to make them give up and be compliant.
To give the fascists whatever they want to appease them.
To just give up on politics.
Called learned helplessness.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
11. Yes exactly, this is part of the acceptance stage of victimization.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:04 AM
Mar 21

The victims begin to rationalize and justify the abuse.
Here the victims pretend that both parties are abusers.
They rationalize that the abuse is normal.

I call this getting on the crazy train and not realizing it.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
13. Yes the media is part of the crazy train. They are enablers of societal/political abuse.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:08 AM
Mar 21

They are gaslighting the American public.

Response to Walleye (Reply #14)

Cheezoholic

(2,026 posts)
18. Well said. When people say they don't understand how a whole country can accept a ruthless dictator
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:18 AM
Mar 21

I just tell them look around you and listen.

slightlv

(2,823 posts)
43. I've said for years now
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:18 PM
Mar 21

that we, the people, (at least most of us) have been and are suffering PTSD because of *rump and his magats. Even when *rump's gone, it's not going to ease up. We'll still have all the magats to deal with and the "little hitlers" who try to follow in *rump's footsteps. I believe there was a study done back towards the beginning of his reign, showing how much higher the prevalence of high blood pressure was after he was elected. Of course, correlation isn't causation, but....

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
44. Yes it is like domestic violence, it traumatizes the victims.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:22 PM
Mar 21

We have a society with mass murders.
The covid deaths.
Attacks against women and other groups.

It is causing PTSD in our society.

The constant GOP/Trump/Putin chaos and turmoil.

FarPoint

(12,409 posts)
4. We voters and all who reside in America....
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:15 AM
Mar 21

We have been under the constant national domestic abuse of tRump since he began to run for President in 2015....day in and day out we have suffered.....unable to escape.

His supportive abusive family has grown! MAGA's nationwide and in Congress; oh and the FBI, Secret Service and Judicial level.....

This is a covert war...... It must end....VOTE BLUE....VOTE BIDEN HARRIS....so we can live free again.

NanaCat

(1,167 posts)
27. The attack on the not-rich started long before TSF
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:04 PM
Mar 21

It started with Nixon, but went into turbo mode with Reagan. Nearly all of the destruction of this country started with him in 1981.

His supportive abusive family has grown!


You cannot be serious. All of these awful people didn't suddenly poof into existence from nowhere, or become taken over like pod people. They have always been there, in every part of society and the government.

You're only now waking up to that reality.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
30. Keep in mind that Trump is just an instrument of the ruling class -- predominantly white, wealthy
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:10 PM
Mar 21

Republicans, whose ideology is that they are aristocracy and deserve dominion over others. We may well beat and do away with Trump eventually, but they will still be working to permanently subordinate everyday human beings for their and their heirs' personal benefit.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
5. If Mitch McConnell had done the right thing back in 2021, we would not have Trump as a candidate now.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:17 AM
Mar 21

McConnell could have swayed enough Republicans to vote to convict Trump after the insurrection and to prevent him for holding any public office, but he instead did the cowardly thing. McConnell may have feared that the MAGA cult would not vote for Republicans in 2022, but his decision set up an election of Trump crazies and a party that has now been taken over by Trump for nothing but his personal benefit. That was one of the stupidest decisions McConnell has ever made.

ShazzieB

(16,426 posts)
50. Amen to this.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 01:58 AM
Mar 22

McConnell should be deeply ashamed of himself, but I doubt he's capable of it. Nasty old turtle.

Lovie777

(12,278 posts)
6. But here we are............................
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:29 AM
Mar 21

GQP allowing USA's citizens to be threaten on a daily basis.
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bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
7. It is a Gigantic Godzilla-sized Gaslighting to Abuse the Public into Submission
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:32 AM
Mar 21
Feed weak minds, which is most of the public long enough and you get weak, submissive sheeple who will believe and do whatever you want.

They might even elect Trump.

Make no mistake. It is Mental Abuse to nominate this Day One Dictator. To characterize it as duress is to hardly brush the dust off the surface.

Hope22

(1,842 posts)
8. True words.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:46 AM
Mar 21

We are at the door of a dark, dangerous future. I think each and every one of us deserves free mental healthcare for the years of mental torture we have endured by his words and actions. This new threat is not pretend but it is his wildest dream. To round up the libs and splatter their brains! I do not doubt it for a minute. He plants seeds in my neighbors heads, all T@#$p followers by proof of yards signs. All they need to do is walk to my door and put me away. This man is a monster. We might be fine but then again local shootings at his direction can never be ruled out! It is exhausting! Stay safe!💗💗🙏🏼

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
15. THIS! All fucking day long. If we had an attorney general interested in doing his actual job, that orange cancer would
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:10 AM
Mar 21

be long gone.

NanaCat

(1,167 posts)
29. While there are things Garland could do differently
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:09 PM
Mar 21

The reason this crap is going on has little to do with him, and everything to do with a complicit, complacent media, the GQP being thugs like always, but--most of all--because we have tens of millions of people in this country who get off to hurting people they don't like and vote accordingly.

They are the problem.

When a nation is infested with so much evil, one AG can do only so much. It's sort of like a game of whack-a-mole that never ends.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
32. Garland
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:25 PM
Mar 21

Didn't he take over two years to get going with prosecuting tfg? The appointment of Jack Smith was a long time coming and our corrupt legal system is helping tfg to run out the clock on his backlog of court dates. Why does our legal system coddle such an obviously un-American Putin lover?

-90% Jimmy

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
35. If he would have appointed the special council from the get go we wouldn't be here now.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:37 PM
Mar 21

No one else could do that. He has also allowed the insurrectionists in Congress to ignore lawful subpoenas. Garland is a huge epic failure.

brush

(53,788 posts)
54. SC Smith has done a great job, no doubt as late as it was that he was appointed. But Garland didn't even have to...
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 02:54 AM
Mar 22

appoint a special counsel. He should've moved immediately after getting settled in office to take charge of the J6 case himself and supervised the FBI and DOJ to investigate and prosecute the principal bad actors of the insurrection — that of course meaning trump and his entire cabal of planners of Jan. 6, 2021.

Garland failed to rise to the moment to meet the greatest threat to our democracy since the Civil War...literally. And because he didn't, we are where we are now with the election rapidly approaching and trump and his lawyers devising every means they can to delay, delay, delay all four criminal indictments against him.

Garland was just not the right person for the job.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
23. Class Action Lawsuit
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 11:34 AM
Mar 21

Why can't the harmed American people engage in a class action lawsuit against Trump? I can think of a number of bases for this litigation. And American citizens who have been harmed do have standing.

1. Failure to protect the American people during a pandemic, including lying to them about the severity of the disease, giving false information about possible "cures," withholding resources such as protective equipment for medical workers.

2. Conspiring with our enemies and enemies of our allies, including illegal sharing of classified information with those enemies.

3. Conspiring to overthrow a free and fair election and lying about that to the American people.

4. Threatening to abolish constitutional protections of our freedom and civil rights, including reproductive freedom.

5. Contributing to Americans poor health by creating an atmosphere of fear and violence directed against anyone who does not like him or his followers.

6. Damaging the reputation of our country and openly touting dictatorships rather than our long-term allies.

7. Causing insomnia and mental health problems because of the black shadow his words, deeds, and mental derangement cast upon our everyday lives. Even seeing his face makes us ill.

8. Inciting bad people to defame and injure good people.

Please help me with this.

GreenWave

(6,759 posts)
26. It is judicial fascism plain and simple.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:01 PM
Mar 21

They rule Texas can play like it's immigration police to round up probable Democrat voters just in time for the elections.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
31. The first time djt got into the Oval Office,...
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:20 PM
Mar 21

.... one could maybe chock it up to human error.

This time around - how this Mafioso Thug is this close to occupying the Office of the Presidency is appalling and frightening.

It shows how vulnerable American Democracy is to insurrectionists, traitors, and coup de'tats by wannabe ⁴dictators.

We must do better to block these criminal thugs from seizing the reins of governmental power.

TeamProg

(6,143 posts)
34. If N.Y State had followed up on his crimes back when he was committing them, recent history would be way different. nt
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:27 PM
Mar 21

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
41. The US Congress could have passed a law that he had insurrected and was ineligible.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 06:35 PM
Mar 21

That's what Amendment 14 Section 5 says. That's what the SCOTUS ruled. That's what I've been saying in 14th Amendment debates on DU for 3 years (and getting regularly shot down over it).

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


Why did that Congress, under full Democratic control, NOT do that? Because they thought DOJ was going to take care of it? That was naive if so.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
42. any slightly ethical or moral person,
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 07:19 PM
Mar 21

any human who had a shred of shame, would not have run. not with all that baggage. instead we have this desperate psychopath who needs to win to stay out of prison, and millions of cultists worshipping him for what reason i will never fully understand.

IbogaProject

(2,816 posts)
45. I felt like "chicken little"
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 11:17 PM
Mar 21

All through 2015 and 2016 I was warning that he was a stronger candidate than we felt. I knew this because I grew up w his typical voters.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
46. I can only hope we can shore our instututions up after he's gone.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 12:11 AM
Mar 22

You are right that we shouldn't have him as a candidate. If our system were healthier, he'd be barred.

czarjak

(11,278 posts)
48. 2016
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 12:50 AM
Mar 22

Illegitimacy yesterday, today and forever. Same for W, but, hey, they got their Judges. Who are also illegitimate. IMHO.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
49. I've gotten sick of spending my days worrying about the imbeciles
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 12:51 AM
Mar 22

that GOP voters insist on nominating for every office. Life is challenging enough without this shit.

Rhiannon12866

(205,499 posts)
53. Agreed! Why is a candidate allowed to run to lead the government he attempted to overthrow?! Makes no sense to me...
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 02:50 AM
Mar 22

And during the 2016 campaign I couldn't wait for the election to be over so we'd never have to hear from this offensive blowhard again! And considering all the criminal charges that resulted, you'd think that the Republicans would have learned their lesson!!!

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