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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe point is that the voters should never have been put under the duress of a Trump candidacy...
He betrayed this country and should never have been on the ballot, in the first place. Only someone who has been asleep for the last 4 years does not know that he incited an insurrection against our government.
He should have been prevented from running by the 14th Amendment. But the Supreme Court ruled otherwise. In perhaps the most important Amendment in our Constitution, they chose to ignore it.
Now, voters are under the duress of having a possible treasonous dictator as the next president.
It really wasn't necessary.
If Justice had only done its job.
Our system has failed the people up to this point.
Few expect it to change in the near future.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)lastlib
(23,248 posts)The GOPee and their traitorous fascist pig candidate.
(apologies to pigs.)
Walleye
(31,028 posts)What exactly is the administrative state?
Its the United States government, dammit!
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)Well it seems that the ones who give the Republican party huge amounts of campaign loot are a handful of filthy-rich American capitalist.
They are usually old white men who favor Nazi values. They are radical Christians who want Christianity to rule the US as law.
If the Republican donors so easily broke our political and governmental systems. Then anyone could have done it, as long as they had a lot of loot or capital. It just happened to be a corrupted political party.
But the Federalist Society, and their capital providers and supporters the Koch Bros., certainly participated in making a double standard judicial system. And they could have broken our systems by themselves if given more time.
The NRA was also a huge contibuter to the destruction of American systems. Their vast wealth and capital seems to have come from Putin and gun runners. If their illegal connections and misappropriations had not been exposed, they could have easily broken our systems by themselves.
What do all three groups have in common? Access to vast amounts of wealth. More wealth and capitol than a small country has.
What I am saying is that our capitalist system is to blame. It allows for capital's unlimited accumulation and control over every function in society. This easily corrupted economic system has set democracy up for destruction and taken it to the brink of fascism.
Let's hope we can pull it back.
jaxexpat
(6,833 posts)Greed, like all psychoses, has no reward but misery and death.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)jaxexpat
(6,833 posts)She has a better understanding and remedy for our "very American" economic psychosis than any political personality I can name.
She's gotten sidelined during our Trumpian emergency. That's done inestimable damage to our prospects. Hell, the GOP has even brought out the old "Social Security must be cut" canard. Basically, that's their MO for claiming victory in the midst of their self-imposed disaster. Tenacious, they are, Skywalker.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)lostnfound
(16,184 posts)Personally, we should get a full accounting and investigation to how his fraud and criminal behavior continued for so many years.
Aint no justice in a country where some can be shot by cops in their bedroom sleeping or where little people get trapped in jail for small fines they cant pay;
But a rich bully like Trump gets a pass 40 years when you know the politicians and the cops had to know he was a cheater, a liar, and running around with the Russian mob.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)It is a fascist ploy to wear down the populace, to make them give up and be compliant.
To give the fascists whatever they want to appease them.
To just give up on politics.
Called learned helplessness.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)The victims begin to rationalize and justify the abuse.
Here the victims pretend that both parties are abusers.
They rationalize that the abuse is normal.
I call this getting on the crazy train and not realizing it.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)They are gaslighting the American public.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Just like politicians and judges.
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johnnyfins
(823 posts)Also, MONEY.
Cheezoholic
(2,026 posts)I just tell them look around you and listen.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Used by dictators everywhere.
slightlv
(2,823 posts)that we, the people, (at least most of us) have been and are suffering PTSD because of *rump and his magats. Even when *rump's gone, it's not going to ease up. We'll still have all the magats to deal with and the "little hitlers" who try to follow in *rump's footsteps. I believe there was a study done back towards the beginning of his reign, showing how much higher the prevalence of high blood pressure was after he was elected. Of course, correlation isn't causation, but....
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)We have a society with mass murders.
The covid deaths.
Attacks against women and other groups.
It is causing PTSD in our society.
The constant GOP/Trump/Putin chaos and turmoil.
FarPoint
(12,409 posts)We have been under the constant national domestic abuse of tRump since he began to run for President in 2015....day in and day out we have suffered.....unable to escape.
His supportive abusive family has grown! MAGA's nationwide and in Congress; oh and the FBI, Secret Service and Judicial level.....
This is a covert war...... It must end....VOTE BLUE....VOTE BIDEN HARRIS....so we can live free again.
NanaCat
(1,167 posts)It started with Nixon, but went into turbo mode with Reagan. Nearly all of the destruction of this country started with him in 1981.
You cannot be serious. All of these awful people didn't suddenly poof into existence from nowhere, or become taken over like pod people. They have always been there, in every part of society and the government.
You're only now waking up to that reality.
KPN
(15,646 posts)Republicans, whose ideology is that they are aristocracy and deserve dominion over others. We may well beat and do away with Trump eventually, but they will still be working to permanently subordinate everyday human beings for their and their heirs' personal benefit.
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)McConnell could have swayed enough Republicans to vote to convict Trump after the insurrection and to prevent him for holding any public office, but he instead did the cowardly thing. McConnell may have feared that the MAGA cult would not vote for Republicans in 2022, but his decision set up an election of Trump crazies and a party that has now been taken over by Trump for nothing but his personal benefit. That was one of the stupidest decisions McConnell has ever made.
ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)McConnell should be deeply ashamed of himself, but I doubt he's capable of it. Nasty old turtle.
Lovie777
(12,278 posts)GQP allowing USA's citizens to be threaten on a daily basis.
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bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)They might even elect Trump.
Make no mistake. It is Mental Abuse to nominate this Day One Dictator. To characterize it as duress is to hardly brush the dust off the surface.
Hope22
(1,842 posts)We are at the door of a dark, dangerous future. I think each and every one of us deserves free mental healthcare for the years of mental torture we have endured by his words and actions. This new threat is not pretend but it is his wildest dream. To round up the libs and splatter their brains! I do not doubt it for a minute. He plants seeds in my neighbors heads, all T@#$p followers by proof of yards signs. All they need to do is walk to my door and put me away. This man is a monster. We might be fine but then again local shootings at his direction can never be ruled out! It is exhausting! Stay safe!💗💗🙏🏼
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)be long gone.
NanaCat
(1,167 posts)The reason this crap is going on has little to do with him, and everything to do with a complicit, complacent media, the GQP being thugs like always, but--most of all--because we have tens of millions of people in this country who get off to hurting people they don't like and vote accordingly.
They are the problem.
When a nation is infested with so much evil, one AG can do only so much. It's sort of like a game of whack-a-mole that never ends.
Didn't he take over two years to get going with prosecuting tfg? The appointment of Jack Smith was a long time coming and our corrupt legal system is helping tfg to run out the clock on his backlog of court dates. Why does our legal system coddle such an obviously un-American Putin lover?
-90% Jimmy
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)No one else could do that. He has also allowed the insurrectionists in Congress to ignore lawful subpoenas. Garland is a huge epic failure.
brush
(53,788 posts)appoint a special counsel. He should've moved immediately after getting settled in office to take charge of the J6 case himself and supervised the FBI and DOJ to investigate and prosecute the principal bad actors of the insurrection that of course meaning trump and his entire cabal of planners of Jan. 6, 2021.
Garland failed to rise to the moment to meet the greatest threat to our democracy since the Civil War...literally. And because he didn't, we are where we are now with the election rapidly approaching and trump and his lawyers devising every means they can to delay, delay, delay all four criminal indictments against him.
Garland was just not the right person for the job.
Jean Genie
(275 posts)Thank you, Kentuck. You hit the nail on the head!
twodogsbarking
(9,759 posts)Koinos
(2,792 posts)Why can't the harmed American people engage in a class action lawsuit against Trump? I can think of a number of bases for this litigation. And American citizens who have been harmed do have standing.
1. Failure to protect the American people during a pandemic, including lying to them about the severity of the disease, giving false information about possible "cures," withholding resources such as protective equipment for medical workers.
2. Conspiring with our enemies and enemies of our allies, including illegal sharing of classified information with those enemies.
3. Conspiring to overthrow a free and fair election and lying about that to the American people.
4. Threatening to abolish constitutional protections of our freedom and civil rights, including reproductive freedom.
5. Contributing to Americans poor health by creating an atmosphere of fear and violence directed against anyone who does not like him or his followers.
6. Damaging the reputation of our country and openly touting dictatorships rather than our long-term allies.
7. Causing insomnia and mental health problems because of the black shadow his words, deeds, and mental derangement cast upon our everyday lives. Even seeing his face makes us ill.
8. Inciting bad people to defame and injure good people.
Please help me with this.
GreenWave
(6,759 posts)They rule Texas can play like it's immigration police to round up probable Democrat voters just in time for the elections.
magicarpet
(14,155 posts).... one could maybe chock it up to human error.
This time around - how this Mafioso Thug is this close to occupying the Office of the Presidency is appalling and frightening.
It shows how vulnerable American Democracy is to insurrectionists, traitors, and coup de'tats by wannabe ⁴dictators.
We must do better to block these criminal thugs from seizing the reins of governmental power.
TeamProg
(6,143 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)orangecrush
(19,572 posts)Now it's up to us.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)That's what Amendment 14 Section 5 says. That's what the SCOTUS ruled. That's what I've been saying in 14th Amendment debates on DU for 3 years (and getting regularly shot down over it).
Why did that Congress, under full Democratic control, NOT do that? Because they thought DOJ was going to take care of it? That was naive if so.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)any human who had a shred of shame, would not have run. not with all that baggage. instead we have this desperate psychopath who needs to win to stay out of prison, and millions of cultists worshipping him for what reason i will never fully understand.
IbogaProject
(2,816 posts)All through 2015 and 2016 I was warning that he was a stronger candidate than we felt. I knew this because I grew up w his typical voters.
D23MIURG23
(2,850 posts)You are right that we shouldn't have him as a candidate. If our system were healthier, he'd be barred.
samplegirl
(11,480 posts)You just throw it out there like a dart game
And you always have a bullseye!
Illegitimacy yesterday, today and forever. Same for W, but, hey, they got their Judges. Who are also illegitimate. IMHO.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)that GOP voters insist on nominating for every office. Life is challenging enough without this shit.
RandySF
(58,911 posts)betsuni
(25,538 posts)Boo hoo. I don't know what people expect.
Rhiannon12866
(205,499 posts)And during the 2016 campaign I couldn't wait for the election to be over so we'd never have to hear from this offensive blowhard again! And considering all the criminal charges that resulted, you'd think that the Republicans would have learned their lesson!!!