Breaking - the US has called for an immediate cease fire in Gaza
about time
US drafted a UN resolution with the demand
Keep on meeting with ReTHUGs Bibi
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I can easily see an approach from Hamas that they release all ("wink wink" ) the surviving hostages and then, at some point convenient to Hamas or their puppetmasters...they announce "what do you know - we found 6 more hostages and here's what we want for them".
Nothing from them would surprise me.
added: you're right about the US response.
I wonder what "By any means necessary" means...I am guessing not hugs & kisses
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To be clear, what I was saying is that Palestinians who are overwhelmingly Muslim seem to be unwelcome in other countries that are overwhelmingly Muslim. I highlighted Egypt and Saudi specifically because they are, like Palestinians, overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim.
In response, you asked if I blame the Jewish people when no one wanted them in their own countries. Prior to 1948, the high water mark for Jewish populations was 1938 in Europe, when Jews represented just under 2%, a percentage reduced to just over 0.5% by 1946. So I think your real question is if I blame the Jewish people for their refugee status when no overwhelmingly non-Jewish populations wanted them in their countries.
And you’re right…the answer is of course not but that’s not an applicable comparison.
Jews have been the nomadic “others” for millennium since Cyrus the Great conquered Jude’s hundreds of years BC. Be it the Germans in WWII, the Russians & Turks in WWI, or Rome during the Spanish Inqusition…Jews have been blamed for everything from the Plague to Infant Death to taking the sun away during solar eclipses. And that doesn’t even include the whole Good Friday revisionist history thing.So it’s easy for the 98% to lay societal blames at the feet of the most visible minority, independent of any truth. And it’s the same today with Republicans and “immigrants” (the generic “other”).
My point was that there are countries that are 95% plus Sunni Muslim and instead of reaching out to other Sunni Muslims in great pain (not just recently but for 75+ years)…instead of giving them a sanctuary, they’re building taller/thicker/longer walls to keep them out. Don’t believe me? Look at Egypt’s wall along southern Gaza…puts any “prison wall” built by Israel to shame.
They don’t have “no where to go”…they have many places to go who will not tolerate their terrorist activites. In fact, as I said, they had somewhere to go in 1948 and the precedents of today’s Gaza residents said “Nope - our commitment to kill Jews is stronger than I desired to life comfortably in peace.” And it’s been that way ever since.
When you propose that the Palestinian people are under a similar horror as the Jewish were in Germany then [referring to WWII Germany]. That invites a comparison and the most objective measure is the numbers - as gruesome as that maybe.
Best measure I find for Gaza fatalities to date is “about 30,000” over the past 5 1/2 months. Let’s ignore that this likely includes Hamas fighters embedded in the civilian population. 30k is about 1.5% of the population of Gaza.
At its peak in 1945, Germany would consider 30k dead jews as a bad week. Think about that…as upset as the world is about the past 5 1/2 month response to Hamas’ terrorist attack of 10/7 and their continued hostage holding…imagine what it would take to kill 30k Palestinians in 7 days. For the record, once Germany got their camps and rail lines running, Jews were being killed at the rate of 40k per week…for 3 years. 6,000 systemically killed every day on average for almost 1,100 consecutive days. But that’s just an average…”peak holocaust” in the summer of 1942 was 15,000 per day for almost 4 months. Ovens and gas chambers working 24/7. When it was all over, Europe’s Jewish population dropped from 9 million to just over 3 million…4 years to kill 66% of European Jews.
Wrap your mind around that…as ugly as Gaza is…it was 2 days work for the Germans when they were “at their best (or worst, I guess)”.
Just wanted to offer up some objective data to help you consider the difference between what’s happening to Palestinians in Gaza vs. Jews in Germany. That doesn’t make Gaza nothing but it’s sure not Germany and I’m not sharing this to poo-poo the casualties in Gaza. But let’s be realistic here - there is no similarity between the two circumstances.
I’m not even going to wade into the land question except to say you’re right…Gaza is prime seaside real estate (as I think Jared recently pointed out). Over the past 30-40 years, billions and billions of dollars of foreign aid have been poured into Gaza. If the Palestinian leadership spent that money on development for their region vs. building terrorist capability…sheesh…Gaza would be the f’ing Riviera of the Middle East. But that wasn’t their priority.
