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Coventina

(27,121 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 12:40 PM Mar 21

The French bulldog sits, stays at the top of U.S. dog owners' hearts

It's official — the French have captured the hearts of Americans.

Or, the French bulldog has, anyway.

According to the latest statistics from the American Kennel Club released Wednesday, the dog popularly known as the Frenchie has held its crown as America's most popular dog breed for the second year in a row.

The bat-eared, smushed-nose, wrinkly-faced pups beat out roughly 200 other breeds to be named top dog, with the AKC saying it registered close to 98,500 Frenchies in 2023.

Rounding out the top five most common registered breeds were Labradors, golden retrievers, German shepherds and poodles.

The AKC statistic does have its limits. Registration is voluntary and it only ranks the club's 200 recognized breeds, which doesn't include hybrids such as goldendoodles or pomskies.


https://www.npr.org/2024/03/21/1239835753/french-bulldog-most-popular-breed

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I'm sorry to say: French Bulldogs SHOULD NOT EXIST!!

They are adorable, but they are a freak of human engineering.

Bitches have to be artificially inseminated, as the sexes cannot breed naturally.
All litters have to be born by c-section. This is not a healthy breed.

Go ahead, flame away!



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The French bulldog sits, stays at the top of U.S. dog owners' hearts (Original Post) Coventina Mar 21 OP
I'm a Maltese Lover JustAnotherGen Mar 21 #1
I'm a Maltese lover too. Irish_Dem Mar 21 #3
I would never have one Jilly_in_VA Mar 21 #2
I have an English Bulldog MurrayDelph Mar 21 #5
Breeding for brachycephaly is cruel. limbicnuminousity Mar 21 #4
Yes, and that goes for cats, too. GoCubsGo Mar 22 #41
I agree with you 100%. StarryNite Mar 21 #6
I detest the "show" German Shepherds Jilly_in_VA Mar 21 #8
I love Labs and GSDs, I hate what has been done to those breeds. StarryNite Mar 21 #9
My brother has a Lab mix Jilly_in_VA Mar 23 #48
Overbreeding will lead to genetic problems beyond Brachycephaly. maxsolomon Mar 21 #7
Very true. limbicnuminousity Mar 21 #10
There's big money in breeding French bulldogs leftyladyfrommo Mar 21 #11
A couple weeks ago there was a home invasion/murder over haele Mar 21 #17
Yikes! What a horrible story! Coventina Mar 21 #20
And yet Jilly_in_VA Mar 23 #45
But what if he doesn't COME and HEEL to the old favorites? lindysalsagal Mar 21 #12
We have mostly had mutts Bettie Mar 21 #13
Mutts are ForgedCrank Mar 21 #14
The exploitation of animals is unconscionable. StarryNite Mar 21 #15
We figure we have one more set of young dogs Bettie Mar 21 #18
After Uncle Ruckus dies JustAnotherGen Mar 21 #24
The vet tells us that Bettie Mar 21 #33
That is definitely the bully breed JustAnotherGen Mar 22 #39
Oh, he has a loot to say Bettie Mar 22 #40
SOME mutts are smart LOL Jilly_in_VA Mar 23 #46
I have both a rescue and a pure breed Zeitghost Mar 22 #35
Welp, I'm the evil Frenchie owner. We have two. nolabear Mar 21 #16
I'm not going to fling epithets, and I agree that humans have interfered with MANY species. Coventina Mar 21 #19
I never regret Uncky JustAnotherGen Mar 21 #28
Nope. Arthur_Frain Mar 21 #21
NPR admits in the article that it's a problematic poll as it is not at all scientific. Coventina Mar 21 #23
All I ever have are rescues. Arthur_Frain Mar 21 #32
I am a fan of German Shepherds ismnotwasm Mar 21 #22
Cavalier King Charles are the worst when it comes to health Goodheart Mar 21 #26
I'm not fond of smash-nosed dogs. It's not fair to the dogs. Goodheart Mar 21 #25
Maltipoos are ridiculous, yappy and high maintenance. nolabear Mar 21 #29
She's far from yappy. She's only high maintenance now because she's 18 years old. Goodheart Mar 21 #31
And my Frenchies aren't monstrous choking abominations. nolabear Mar 22 #43
Lol, me as a dog Celerity Mar 22 #36
They're so mouthy! TexasBushwhacker Mar 21 #27
100% on your commentary... WarGamer Mar 21 #30
I agree with you. SarahD Mar 21 #34
I don't get why they're so popular. Sky Jewels Mar 22 #37
Same here. I never understood the appeal. GoCubsGo Mar 22 #42
Correct. French bulldogs are not a healthy breed to say the least. elocs Mar 22 #38
When I was very young NanaCat Mar 22 #44
Our Vincent Is From #2 On The List ProfessorGAC Mar 23 #47
I 'rec' this because of YOUR comments about human engineering of freaks. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 23 #49
Short list of dogs ruined by selective breeding... StarryNite Mar 23 #50
Frenchies look like gargoyles to me Danascot Mar 23 #51

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
1. I'm a Maltese Lover
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 01:01 PM
Mar 21

Ride or Die - but Frenchies are indeed adorbs!

They just don't have that vibe of arrogance of a few thousand year old breed that thinks it's a human being that Maltese have!

I guess Frenchies can't go on planes either - because of their noses.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,983 posts)
2. I would never have one
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 01:08 PM
Mar 21

for the reasons you cite. If I want a dog that snores, I'll get a pug. Preferably a "pet quality" one that has too long a nose so they can't be bred, therefore will be spayed or neutered and will be strictly a pet. They're adorable clowns (my parents and my FIL both had them so both my husband and I know them well, we're just too mobile to have a dog at the moment) and fun to be around.

MurrayDelph

(5,299 posts)
5. I have an English Bulldog
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 02:55 PM
Mar 21

She's a rescue, dumped into a friend's yard, probably by a backyard breeder.

The first thing we did was get her fixed.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
41. Yes, and that goes for cats, too.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 09:34 AM
Mar 22

Persians are being bred to a point where it looks like their face is pushed in. It's utterly sickening. And, don't get me started on the ones breeding other mutations, such as Munchkins--the Dachshund of cat breeds. If there really is a Hell, there's a special place in it for for those who create and continue the market for these poor animals.

StarryNite

(9,446 posts)
6. I agree with you 100%.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 03:07 PM
Mar 21

They aren't the only breed humans are ruining by turning them into caricatures. There are many. Look what they have done to the noble German Shepherd Dog. They breed them to make their back legs look distorted. They used to be a powerful, healthy, athletic breed and some still are but not the ones in the show ring. They have so many health issues.

There are too many dogs and not enough people for them. Thousands upon thousands of dogs are killed at shelters every year. And it is kill, not euthanasia. Euthanasia is for the sick and dying to prevent further pain. That doesn't apply to all the healthy dogs that are killed because of lack of homes for them. Something needs to change.

Opt to adopt.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,983 posts)
8. I detest the "show" German Shepherds
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 03:39 PM
Mar 21

We see the "pet quality" ones at the shelter from time to time. Usually they are 1-2 year old ones that the owners just don't understand how to work with and all they need is proper training. They're good dogs with an owner who understands them.

Another thing I can't stand is what's been done with Labradors. Most of the "show" ones are too heavy. A proper Lab is sleek and fast. You'll see those in agility or obedience at times, but mostly in the field, doing what they were bred for. The last decent "show" lab was Ch. Shamrock Acres Light Brigade, and that was way back in the 1970s.

StarryNite

(9,446 posts)
9. I love Labs and GSDs, I hate what has been done to those breeds.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 03:56 PM
Mar 21

The shelters are overflowing with dogs because the owners don't know how to train them, understand them, fulfill their emotional needs, or just that the novelty has worn off when they are no longer puppies. To me the saddest of all are the old dogs that wind up in shelters. It makes me sick.

We had a Lab mix that we found in the forest when we were camping. She was only about a year old. She had to have been dumped. She was an emotional mess and never really got over whatever it was that she had been put through. Even dog trainers couldn't move her past her issues. But we loved her in spite of her emotional issues. It's been 2 1/2 years since we lost her to what was most likely cancer. I miss her dearly and still cry for her. I believe dogs like many other animals can suffer from PTSD. Things that we are unaware of can trigger them.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,983 posts)
48. My brother has a Lab mix
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:52 PM
Mar 23

She was supposedly half Lab, half Chesapeake, but I think she's more like 3/4 Lab from her looks. She's a character. They have to keep their garden fenced because Sadie Jo will go in and eat cucumbers and zucchini off the vines (with no digestive aftereffects, go figure). She also likes tomatoes and watermelon. When they go hiking (they live in Montana) Sadie Jo goes along but spends a lot of her time in peripheral creeks. She is a true water dog.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
7. Overbreeding will lead to genetic problems beyond Brachycephaly.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 03:15 PM
Mar 21

Its inevitable - I had a Wheaten that died of a genetic wasting disease due to overbreeding - you barely see Wheatens nowadays.

limbicnuminousity

(1,402 posts)
10. Very true.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 04:16 PM
Mar 21

I did some work with the Newfoundland breeders association establishing diagnostic criteria and a plan for figuring out the genetics of a forelimb anomaly resulting from selective breeding. It's crippling. The forelimbs won't support the animal. And it's a complex disorder, likely resulting from two or more mutations, with unidentified carriers in in champion kennels. Polygenic disorders of that nature are a direct consequence of inbreeding or selective breeding.

Never published because the journal editors didn't like a comment justifying the work pointing out that that owners/breeders euthanize the sick animals. Never mind the fact that it was a true statement, it was hurtful of me to acknowledge the reality. sigh.

Forgive the tangent. To the point: at least most breeders attempt to breed out traits that are detrimental to the animal's health (with notable exceptions as mentioned with GSs). Breeding for brachycephaly is like selectively breeding humans for COPD.

haele

(12,660 posts)
17. A couple weeks ago there was a home invasion/murder over
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:10 PM
Mar 21

The backyard breeding of French Bulldogs. The momma dog and her remaining pups disappeared.
Backyard breeding sucks, and I say that as someone with a relative who showed and bred Himalayan cats.
She was "humane" as in her two female cats only had one litter of kittens every other year. But still, her girls weren't really part of the family, like their dog and the other cats and animals they had were, no matter how much time and attention she paid to them.
They were an investment, and she kept them in a separate room of the house instead of letting them run around the house and possibly get out.

Haele

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
20. Yikes! What a horrible story!
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:22 PM
Mar 21

I've heard that dog theft is becoming more and more common(!), but had no idea it had reached that kind of level!

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
13. We have mostly had mutts
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 05:57 PM
Mar 21

Right now, we have a Pyrenees, who was in the shelter. Someone got a big barky dog in a small apartment, so he's our big barky dog now. He and our 15 year old Terrier mix (?) get along well, but he's going to be sad when his little buddy is gone.

I don't get people spending thousands of dollars on dogs when there are so many in shelters who need homes, but if that's what they want, I guess it's their right...not saying you shouldn't, just that I don't get it.

ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
14. Mutts are
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 06:08 PM
Mar 21

generally smart, and have far less health problems and live longer. We have always had mutt dogs except for the border collies, but those were working dogs. I just don't believe in paying for pets or people breeding them for money. There are plenty of dogs to get for free that almost always end up being the best pets in the end.
I've already decided though, when my current best friend passes away, no more dogs for me. I just can't deal with the loss anymore, it's torture every time one comes to its end.

StarryNite

(9,446 posts)
15. The exploitation of animals is unconscionable.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 07:28 PM
Mar 21

I'm with you on no more dogs for that very same reason. I wish I felt differently. I wish I was stronger because there are sooo many dogs and cats and horses too that need forever homes. I just don't think I could emotionally take another loss though. It makes me feel guilty because I know I could provide them with a loving home. But the loss...

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
18. We figure we have one more set of young dogs
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:16 PM
Mar 21

in us, age-wise, then we'll probably take senior dogs and give them a good place to spend their last years.

It will be sad, but there are so many who end up in the shelters, who have been loved their entire lives until their human(s) got sick or died and they end up homeless.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
33. The vet tells us that
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 11:17 PM
Mar 21

our terrier-style mutt is part Maltese. I have my doubts....he's just a weird little dog, made of spare dog parts. LOL.

But, as I said, he has personality and a mind of his own.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
39. That is definitely the bully breed
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 09:07 AM
Mar 22

The Maltese!

he has personality and a mind of his own




Also - if you ever get the look: Did I STUTTER Bettie?

Definitely a Maltese. And they - they 'talk' to you!

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
40. Oh, he has a loot to say
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 09:22 AM
Mar 22

and he prances when he walks while complaining, like "look at me when I'm talking to you!'

He is a funny little dog. Got him from a rescue transport (my mother knew the people running shelters, so they found a pup for my middle son). He's a good little guy, he's fifteen now, mostly blind, pretends he's deaf.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,983 posts)
46. SOME mutts are smart LOL
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:45 PM
Mar 23

We had a spaniel mix that we got from a kill shelter on his "last day". He was sweet and I just could not stand to see him euthanized, so I asked my husband and daughter and they agreed. I took my daughter with me and she liked him so I brought him home. He was sweet and housebroken but lord, he was dumb as a rock! I just felt sorry for him. He was struck by lightning, of all things, and died in our backyard.

Zeitghost

(3,862 posts)
35. I have both a rescue and a pure breed
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 12:31 AM
Mar 22

Shelter dogs are a crap shoot, my Husky mix is nothing like what we expected when we got him, which was actually a blessing, but not what we expected (fairly low energy, low prey drive, quiet). My Euro working Doberman is exactly what I expected and what the breeder assured me I would be getting in intelligence, personality, temperament and health. He's not for everyone, but you're not going to find one at a rescue, even a Doberman rescue. It all comes down to what you're looking for in a dog.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
16. Welp, I'm the evil Frenchie owner. We have two.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:00 PM
Mar 21

Actually one is 1/4 English but that’s quibbling. They are fine, healthy and stubborn, breathe well and are ridiculously funny. I have no breeding aspirations.

I get the concerns, though frankly humans have screwed up many a domestic animal with selective breeding. German Shepherds, Irish Setters, Collies, Border Collies, Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, and a host of others have suffered from inbreeding to exaggerate features and just to take advantage of a small base of celebrated studs. Happens with horses and other livestock as well. Happens with chickens, rabbits, chinchillas, and on and on.

That said, I care deeply about my dogs, give them a healthy and loving home, and in case those flinging epithets around wonder if they are without effect on caring dog owners, they are not.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
19. I'm not going to fling epithets, and I agree that humans have interfered with MANY species.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:20 PM
Mar 21

Frenchies are an EXTREME case, though, as they cannot breed on their own, and a pregnancy is lethal without major abdominal surgery.

That is why I will always insist that they should not exist. However, I would adopt one in need of a home in a heartbeat. A living animal needs love and care, no matter how it got here. (I would never purchase one, though).

I would just ask breeders to think twice, and then thrice, about their choices.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
28. I never regret Uncky
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:00 PM
Mar 21

My Maltese overlord . . . I love the breed. And his mommy and daddy (agility show and show dog) were naughty . . . and that's how he came to be. Good enough for Aristotle and Elizabeth the First - good enough for me!

Not everyone has the lifestyle PR personality for a large breed. In our case - my husband has allergies.

Arthur_Frain

(1,853 posts)
21. Nope.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:24 PM
Mar 21

Seriously going to tell me that French Bulldogs are more popular than Golden Retrievers or Labs?

I’ll put this in the same file telling me tsf leads Biden by anything in any poll not conducted in shithole states like Idaho, Wyoming or Utah.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
23. NPR admits in the article that it's a problematic poll as it is not at all scientific.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:32 PM
Mar 21

I mean, depending on how you decide to collect data you could say pitbulls are the most popular, or chihuahuas.

Having said all that, I do find the popularity of the breed to be disturbing.

Arthur_Frain

(1,853 posts)
32. All I ever have are rescues.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:54 PM
Mar 21

Two mutts, two cats of indeterminate lineage.

I’ve never understood the drive to pedigreed animals.

Have to admit, I didn’t click on the link. Sadly NPR is not what it was in it heyday.

Seems like everything is click bait these days.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
22. I am a fan of German Shepherds
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 08:27 PM
Mar 21

Also an overbred breed.

Frenchies are adorable, but they have tons of health issues. My understanding is Cavalier King Charles spaniels, are the worst when it comes to health issues.

Goodheart

(5,327 posts)
26. Cavalier King Charles are the worst when it comes to health
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:54 PM
Mar 21

but the sweetest things in the whole wide world.

Goodheart

(5,327 posts)
25. I'm not fond of smash-nosed dogs. It's not fair to the dogs.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 09:53 PM
Mar 21

And they're kind of ugly, anyway.

My maltipoo is GORGEOUS.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
29. Maltipoos are ridiculous, yappy and high maintenance.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:38 PM
Mar 21

I actually don’t believe that but as a Frenchie owner I felt like giving back.

Goodheart

(5,327 posts)
31. She's far from yappy. She's only high maintenance now because she's 18 years old.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 10:42 PM
Mar 21

She's been very healthy. And lots of fun.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
43. And my Frenchies aren't monstrous choking abominations.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 10:52 AM
Mar 22

Of course she’s wonderful. And you want to defend her against unwarranted attacks. My point.

SarahD

(1,194 posts)
34. I agree with you.
Thu Mar 21, 2024, 11:32 PM
Mar 21

Several breeds have congenital defects that people find cute. I prefer large dogs. Big, fluffy, goofy dogs. I particularly like the large poodle crossbreeds: golden doodle, bernadoodle, labradoodle. It's cruel to breed little dogs that can't breathe, can't chew, can't run.

Sky Jewels

(7,111 posts)
37. I don't get why they're so popular.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 02:54 AM
Mar 22

I know it’s not their fault, but I think they are weird looking and not “cute.” At all. But I’m a cat person all the way, so what do I know.

In any case, I wish people would stop breeding and buying dogs and cats. Get them from shelters! Stop this cruel cycle.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
42. Same here. I never understood the appeal.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 09:40 AM
Mar 22

I love dogs, but I'm also more a cat person. I don't like the mutant cat breeds, either. Give me an alley cat over one of them, any day.

elocs

(22,582 posts)
38. Correct. French bulldogs are not a healthy breed to say the least.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 08:37 AM
Mar 22

They have breathing, spinal, eye, and skin conditions and vet care these days is not cheap but then that's the price for being trendy.

NanaCat

(1,161 posts)
44. When I was very young
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 11:32 AM
Mar 22

One of my cousins had a Frenchie, back in the days before the noses got so smashed in. They had more of a 'bulldog' look to them then. Still the kind of dog that's so ugly he's cute.

Happy little guy, though, and quite fond of children. My 20 y/o cousin got mad because the dog would always abandon him the second my brothers and I showed up, and then didn't want us to go. Always made a scene whimpering and yowling when we were getting in the car. One time, he even chased our car for nearly a mile after we left, I guess because he wanted to keep playing with us. My grandmother finally told the grandfather to speed up, he was being cruel going so slowly to see how long the dog would follow us.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
47. Our Vincent Is From #2 On The List
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:48 PM
Mar 23

So were 2 of our prior beasties.
Vincent is actually got a little of something else in him, but he is definitely a lab.
I understand why that breed is popular.

StarryNite

(9,446 posts)
50. Short list of dogs ruined by selective breeding...
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:59 PM
Mar 23

This article shows just some of the dog breeds that have been ruined by selective breeding. It also shows photos of what they used to look like and how they look now.

How 100 Years of Breeding Ruined Ten Popular Dogs

For hundreds of years, dogs have lived side-by-side with humans, not only offering companionship and unconditional love, but working alongside us, performing tasks suited to the inherent physical and mental traits of their breeds.

Throughout the history of canine companionship, humans have shaped and altered the physical appearance and attributes of dogs to make them most suitable to perform a specific task. By isolating desirable characteristics, such as size and weight, body and face shape, muscular structure, prey drive, coat texture, length, and color, humans have successfully created more than 300 distinct and unique breeds.

For hundreds of years, dogs have lived side-by-side with humans, not only offering companionship and unconditional love, but working alongside us, performing tasks suited to the inherent physical and mental traits of their breeds.

Throughout the history of canine companionship, humans have shaped and altered the physical appearance and attributes of dogs to make them most suitable to perform a specific task. By isolating desirable characteristics, such as size and weight, body and face shape, muscular structure, prey drive, coat texture, length, and color, humans have successfully created more than 300 distinct and unique breeds.

However, with the popularity of conformation and breed judging, many breeds began to be bred for physical appearance alone, with certain physical characteristics, even those that are a hindrance to performing the jobs they were once bred for, becoming more desirable and more important than the health, vitality, and quality of life of the dog.

[link:https://www.dogingtonpost.com/how-100-years-of-breeding-ruined-ten-popular-dogs/|

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