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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Truth Social deal has to be a money laundering scheme for TFG. The financials just don't support it.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-truth-social-spac-stock-value-djt/Former President Donald Trump will soon be at the helm of a publicly traded company that will trade under the ticker "DJT," after his initials, and boast a potential valuation of more than $5 billion a lofty amount for a business that's losing money and has scant revenue.
Trump's next career move as head of a publicly traded company comes after shareholders of Digital World Acquisition Corp. (DWAC), a so-called blank-check company, also known as a SPAC, approved a merger on Friday morning with the Trump Media & Technology Group. With the nod, DWAC will combine with Trump Media & Technology Group and could soon begin trading under the latter name.
Typically, investors put their money into companies they believe will provide solid returns for their investment, though time-honored fundamentals such as profit and revenue growth, dividends and share appreciation. But Trump Media's main business, Truth Social, is a social media platform that is lagging rivals such as Facebook and "X" (formerly Twitter), with scant revenue and mounting losses, according to regulatory filings.
Think. Again.
(8,817 posts)...follow the paper trail of the shell companies buying large volumes of this junk stock, and don't take their word for it that they are just playing short. They're hoping to buy a possible next President.
elleng
(131,371 posts)lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)his shares are locked for 6 months... and even when they are unlocked, if he were to try an sell a significant block the stock value would crash.
He could try to pledge shares to a bank or bond company to raise money but given the likely highly speculative nature of the shares... I don't think anyone will step up to loan him the money based on the stock in TruthSocial. ( Pravda by any other name )
if he puts up the bond on monday... for sure it is Russian or Saudi money.
superpatriotman
(6,254 posts)Any grift is possible, and the old shitbag knows how to grift above all else.
lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)he grifts in real estate. Most, if not all, of his companies are private companies.
Not saying that he couldn't hire people that know how to "pump and dump" but I listened to two very credible stock market people yesterday and they made a very good case against Trump making billions from this transaction.
In addition... I founded my own startup company in Silicon Valley... merged with another company... and successfully sold everything to a publicly traded company. I faced the same situation now facing Trump... stock was restricted for 6 months, and even when it became mine to trade, if I had simply put my block of shares up for sale I would have tanked the stock price. I had to sell shares every few weeks for the next year... and even then I ( all by myself ) drove the price down like 15 percent with stories in the trade press about "insider trading", etc.
Only instead of billions, it was... less than that ( it was enough to be worth it to spend 5 years of my life living on credit cards and what I could borrow from friends and family ). BTW, I did all this starting in 2000, right at the dot com bust. I was lucky to be one of the few success stories of the time. I tell a stories about going to every firm on Sand Hill road in Paleo Alto to do my pitch on WAN based real time backup solutions ( something that was not done at the time ) and the patents that I invented to make this possible. I would walk into a partners meeting to do my "elevator pitch" for 1st round funding ( I had seed round from a private firm in Australia ) and I would see like 20 millionaires and billionaires in the room with the longest faces you have ever seen... some looked like they were ready to commit suicide... and if I had put a machine on the table that would print $100 bills (all legal) they wouldn't have funded it. After one such meeting I had one of the partners tell me that it was "bad timing" because in that meeting just before I walked in, they had scrubbed to $0 one of their $200M funds as every startup that was in that fund had gone bust.
So I have some history with this sort of thing.
CincyDem
(6,418 posts)
in trumponomics world Im not sure.
Price only crashes because the supply suddenly out strips demand and the price has to drop until its low enough to stimulate buying interest.
But
in trumponomics, where the product being sold is a piece of POTUS, demand is likely limitless (at least in this single billlion dollar range) so he can dump his shares with no problem. Some sovereign fund will be happy to buy them up at his price. Its not a loan, its an equity stake. Highly speculative and fully dependent on him winning in November.
In effect, hes doing an IPO on the Presidency that creates an open market for influence. The monetization of the autocracy and influence, using the well oiled mechanism of the global equity markets.
Youll be able to buy a piece of POTUS on Robinhood. Instead of buying Trump sneakers, the guy with the 13-year old rust pickup with a Trump flag flying in the back
he can buy 5, 10, 20 shares of Truth. Just like any other stock hell have absolutely no say in any company decision or policy
but hell still have bragging rights to owning shares.
In the long game, Truth shares become the currency of the realm when it comes to access. Want to influence US policy
buy 200,000 shares of Truth
that gets you a meeting. Want atweet on your pet issue to mobilize the cult
thats reserved for shareholders with 1,000,000 shares or more. Want the ALL CAPS version, thats a 3,000,000 benefit.
We keep thinking hell be owned because be owes people money
move down the cap table
hell be owned because, as president, hell actually have shareholders to answer to.
Its the ultimate grift.
Captain Zero
(6,862 posts)if there ever was one.
Maybe there will be some indictments out of it for him.
KPN
(15,677 posts)but Donny dipshit has publicly come out against electric vehicles and probably has little interest in space exploration.
So, while they are both RWNJ fascists, there is enough drug free brain cells left in Eloon to recognize that Trump would be bad for his businesses.
But it could also be that TikTok billionaire asshole ( $30 billion ).
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sop
(10,296 posts)Without the constant media attention given toTrump's insane postings every fifteen seconds on Truth Social, no one would even bother visiting the site. After he loses in November, Truth Social will be completely irrelevant. Trump will have cashed in by then.
Can the monitor have some oversight here?
bucolic_frolic
(43,478 posts)Truth Social?
Is it nothing but Lies for the benefit of the Few?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,412 posts)A spokesperson for the Securities and Exchange Commission declined to comment for this story, but three experts reviewed Premieres operations at Fusions request. Jeremy Hyndman, a Los Angeles lawyer who represents victims of penny stock fraud, examined some of Premieres SEC filings. He said the company had hallmarks of a pretty classic pump-and-dump scheme, in which insiders inflate a companys share price and cash in before it crashes. Joseph Borg, the securities commissioner of Alabama who helped bring down Jordan Belfort, the so-called Wolf of Wall Street emphasized that he had no first-hand knowledge of Premiere, but called the companys patterns very suspicious.
Jacob S. Frenkel, a former SEC investigator who serves as an expert witness in stock manipulation cases, said Premiere raised red flags that wouldve caused me to investigate. But, he added, Absent an investigation, it is impossible to conclude that there was a manipulation. And the statute of limitations, he said, has long since passed.
Filings with the SEC show that before its IPO, more than a third of Premiere Publishings stock was put into untraceable overseas shell companies. Investors say they were cold-called by brokers and bought stock because of Trumps involvement. In a newsletter, a promoter hyped Premiere, dangling returns of 500% or even more. In press releases, the company promised a lucrative Trump cartoon TV show that lifted the stock price but never materialized. (In one episode, Trump was to run for president and save America.) Numerous people associated with Premiere ran into separate trouble with financial regulators.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211210120012/https://fusion.tv/story/360908/trump-magazine-boiler-room-stock/
Schultz imagined a show tentatively called Trump Takeover. Plotlineswhich Schultz developed with the help of a writer friend, Louis Ciminowere prescient. They imagined an episode in which America would be in a state of virtual collapse, according to draft materials for the show.
Trump and his teamincluding characters from The Apprenticewould go to Washington to take over! In another episode, Trump and team would seize control of the stock market to save the world:
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They wanted to project Donald Trump as a superhero who does all the right things, and he is saving everyone, Koshy recalls. Her animators designed a Trump with a magical halo around him, and started on a TV pilot.But, like so many contractors whove done work for Trump, Koshy says she was stiffed on the pay. She said she had to pester Jacobson for payment, and only got $6,000two-thirds of what she was owedafter threatening to go public with her allegations of non-payment. Unfortunately, she says, neither she nor her colleagues in India kept copies of their drawings.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211210094600/https://fusion.tv/story/361280/trump-tv-cartoon-exclusive-images/
Sadly, images aren't archived there. This is the best I can find so far
As Schultz recalls, his simple formula for the show proved compelling enough for Jacobson to buy into it: Trump was taking over everything and making it better. Jacobson hired a California-based animator named Elizabeth Koshy to improve upon Creativity Zones vision for the show; she in turn hired a team of animators in India. Koshy delivered on concepts that included a superheroic rendering of Trump. It took the animator nearly a year to get two-thirds of her agreed-upon fee out of Jacobsonstiffing contractors being another well-documented feature of all Trump-themed business endeavors. It seems likely, in retrospect, that Jacobson believed in Schultzs vision primarily as a vehicle to enhance the returns on a pump-and-dump scheme he was building around Premiere.
Behind the handcrafted mahogany doors of his gold-accented boardroom, legendary deal maker Donald Trump has taken ACTIVE PARTICIPATION in a very secret venture, a Florida stock creep named James Rapholz wrote in the October 2006 edition of his newsletter Economic Advice. Rapholz had received a ten-year Securities and Exchange Commission ban for financial fraud in 1991, but was by then back in the game. Act now before the word gets out and you could find yourself making an astounding profit of 500% or more in the next 18 months in TRUMPS SECRET DEAL. The Premiere stock was, Rapholz wrote, the closest thing Ive seen to a sure thing. Cold callers duly made similar pitches over the phone.
Small upward fluctuations in price create the value that penny-stock scammers use to make these sorts of scams work. A 2006 Wall Street Journal story noted that the news of an upcoming prime-time Trump cartoon seriesRapholz claimed that Disney was involved, while Premiere stuck to a more noncommittal statement fantasizing interest from major animation houses and television networkscaused Premieres stock to jump in value, briefly, by 30 percent. Jacobson had given Trump 1.675 million shares, as well as nearly a million dollars in licensing fees. When The Wall Street Journals John R. Emshwiller and Peter Sanders asked him about it in October 2006, Trump first claimed that he didnt know how hed come to own those shares, but later said hed agreed to acquire them. Michael is a good guy, he added. By the time Premiere Publishing went bust in September 2007, after Trump terminated his licensing agreement with the company, Trump had received at least $855,000 in licensing fees.
https://newrepublic.com/article/154100/making-sense-donald-trump-petulant-presidency
What you can do with a magazine and cartoon 20 years ago, you can do with social media today.
William Seger
(10,793 posts)No intrinsic value at all -- just traded by speculators who are betting that future speculators will pay even more for their chance to get in on the confidence game.
Tanuki
(14,930 posts)Also see thread for the TikTok angle and why Trump changed his tune...hint: Yass is a major player in proposed purchase.
Link to tweet
COL Mustard
(5,964 posts)Id think about shorting this.
live love laugh
(13,206 posts)COL Mustard
(5,964 posts)Most of the time, you buy a stock expecting that it will gain valuea long position. Shorting a stock means you expect it to decline in value.
Any actual financial professionals want to elaborate?