So. I made an enemy this week.

[KentuckyWoman]

Short convo with a Trumper who would not shut up at game night this week. I lasted almost 2 hours before I hit the wall and opened my mouth - asked him EXACTLY what he thinks Trump is going to do to make his personal life better. It went pretty close to this - not exact maybe, but as close as I can remember it.

He's going to make America Great again.
What does that mean?
Well he fixed the border before and will do it again.
If the border was fixed, where did the babies in cages come from? Besides you don't live at the border.
Well they take our jobs.
Are you looking for a job?
No but Americans are suffering.
Who in your family is suffering because someone came here from Mexico and took their job?
Well maybe not jobs but they take our healthcare.
What doctor refused to treat you because there are too many illegals?
(At this point he's flapping arms and getting red ears)

So I take it down a notch - look I understand you support him for reasons other than what he's going to do FOR you. Clearly you support him for what you think he'll do AGAINST people you don't like. I find that frustrating and sad.

And then I turned and walked away. I hope that blowhard avoids me forever.

[leftstreet]

1. Try pretending you don't follow politics

Be vague about who's even the current POTUS

They'll leave and feel slightly worried they sound like psychos

[Think. Again.]

29. That's exactly what I do with the trumpers I can't avoid.

[mitch96]

2. Just another mindless person who is trading his democracy for a red hat and a slogan...nt

[louis-t]

25. I use "It's just a slogan" all the time.

I also use "That's a sales pitch", "Don't you get tired of all the whining?", "He's not even a good businessman, he's a TERRIBLE businessman". I share that he can't own an NFL team because of his ties to organized crime, that's why he bought the New Jersey Generals (USFL) team and tried to sue the NFL for having a monopoly. He was trying to backdoor his way into the NFL. He ran that team and the league into the ground. He won the lawsuit but the judge awarded the USFL $1. He also can't own a casino in Vegas because of his ties to organized crime. He has a hotel there but no casino. That's why he went to Atlantic City and failed there several times.

[hadEnuf]

54. Yes, morons programmed by 24/7 right wing media.

They have no idea what they are talking about. Flesh covered parrots.

[MLAA]

3. Fantastic! You handled that beautifully!

You are my heroine/hero/shero (whichever you prefer 🙂

[elleng]

4. GREAT WORK, KentuckyWoman!

[dembotoz]

5. they are under the delusion that the locals agree with him

[Joinfortmill]

6. Wow! Awesome!

[Ping Tung]

7. "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason

“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”

Thomas Paine

[3catwoman3]

18. I would say Mr. Paine hit that nail...

...squarely on the head.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

36. People haven't changed much at all n/t

[sybylla]

64. I had one of these a month ago.

I was helping my niece move out and leave her abusive ex. This guy is her friend who was there to help as well. When she goes in the house he tries to strike up a conversation and immediately starts talking about not believing in scientific stuff. I know this is on the path to MAGAtville.

At one point I just said, "hm, that's interesting," about him not believing in Carbon 14 dating. I mean, you don't need to argue with the dining room table. Just look quizzically and sound like you're doubting their intelligence.

He didn't get the message as next he did a humble brag about being anti-education. Thankfully, my niece showed up and I didn't have to listen to that bull crap any more. Yikes, she picks the worst men.

[BootinUp]

8. You went for the rhetorical jugular.

He won’t quickly bring that up again around you.

[Emile]

9. I ran into one at Walmart this week. I was looking

for pet shampoo and I was wearing my Navy veteran hat. This old man looked at me and started complaining that the flavor of cat food he was looking for is no longer available. Then he blamed Biden. He thought since I was a vet I had to be a magat. I said how in the hell is that Biden's fault? He blew off on some incorrect bullshit about Biden not allowing ships to unload their cargo. Then he said I see you're a veteran and everyone in the military loves Trump. I laughed and said Google Trump and what he called fallen soldiers. He asked what did he say. I said he called them Suckers and Losers. I said it's pretty hard for a veteran to listen to that crap coming from a guy who got 5 deferments during the Vietnam war.

[yardwork]

11. Good responses!

[doc03]

23. I had the discusion about veterans being called losers and suckers

yesterday. I asked a Vietnam veteran yesterday how any veteran could support Trump
after he calls veterans losers and suckers. He said Trump never said that and I told him his chief
of staff General Kelly said he did. He says its sour grapes because Trump fired him. Today this guy
said we need Trump because he is a businessman and will get rid of the debt. He actually thinks Trump
is the richest person in the world. These people are in a different reality, they believe whatever Trump says.

[Hugin]

49. "A businessman":::

Augh… That most insidious and telling argument of the protofascists.

To which my reply is always, “A government is not a profit making enterprise intended to benefit only a very few homogeneous individuals.”

[Emile]

57. They drank the kool-aid.

[LuckyLib]

45. " the flavor of cat food he was looking for is no longer available. Then he blamed Biden."

This says it all. The stupid is simply astounding.

[Emile]

59. That's what set me off. He also went on about

Trump being the best president he has ever seen. Twice impeached one term loser is the best president ever, lol. Republicans are delusional.

[OMGWTF]

62. I would have said "Wow! Your standards are in the basement."

[mahina]

10. Well said. Pkease hold open the possibility they may change

And dont let the thought of them trouble. your heart.

[yardwork]

12. Two hours. I couldn't have done it.

Great responses!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

13. Good job

[LoisB]

14. "Clearly you support him for what you think he'll do AGAINST people you don't like"

Perfect! That is the crux of the reason they support him.

[multigraincracker]

15. It's always nice to give them

something to think about.
It’s mostly a tribal thing now. They are not going against what their tribe preaches.
Best we can do is get them to stay home in November.
You did a great job.

[Seinan Sensei]

26. Good point

Tribalism may help explain MAGAt loyalty as well as anything
I just don't get them. Don't understand them.

[multigraincracker]

39. Reading a book about it now.

Hit ‘em Where it Hurts by Rachel Bitecofer. Saw the author on the Thom Hartman show. Worth a look

[Mariana]

63. He won't think about it.

These people don't think. Guarantee he went home and turned on some RW propaganda outlet, and promptly forgot everything the OP said. If she sees him next week he'll be spewing the exact same shit like their previous conversation never happened.

[denvine]

16. Good for you!

Great response! These people live in a bubble and in that bubble all they hear are lies. They need to be challenged and that is exactly what you did!

[GiqueCee]

17. These people are impervious to reason...

... logic, or truth. They are consumed with malice; it's in their DNA. They'd carve their own eyes out with a rusty spoon before they'd ever admit they were wrong, or, Heaven forfend, admit that Trump is the lying, thieving, weasel-dick shitgibbon that every decent human being knows he is.
Unfortunately, I've got a couple of deluded fools in my family, so I know whereof I speak.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

37. Me, too. My sister like TSF even tho he mocks people with disabilities

I have severe disabilities, and yet she's fine with him mocking us. "Oh, he wasn't mocking him".

I haven't seen her since 2019.

[DENVERPOPS]

43. I have always wondered

how these people were so brainwashed????? A psychiatrist told me that He and other shrinks had figured it out.......
If you only listen to Fox News and Right Wing Radio, 24/7/365..... then, in effect you only know what has been pounded into your brain by their propaganda.......It would be like what the Chinese and North Koreans do if you stray away from their government beliefs, they lock you up at one of their "re-education camps" for months............same effect.

It was the same during the W Bush occupation of the White House, although it is far worse now..........and far more insidious, I might add.

[Evolve Dammit]

19. I admire your restraint. Seriously. Two hours? That must have been painful. Red ears huh? I've had purple faces!

[chouchou]

20. I'll have to say that your actions are much more humane than mine. I just spit on them.

(No..I'm kidding)

[Shermann]

21. He's a triple-issue voter: ME ME ME!

Some of them actually stand to benefit from a Republican administration, while the rest are mostly gaslit about things and can vote against their own interests.

I don't vote for ME ME ME, I vote for US US US.

[Wednesdays]

22. Good that you took a stand, but remember,

those are people who will never learn; they just double down.

"Never wrestle a pig in the mud. You only get dirty, and the pig enjoys it."

[niyad]

24. KNR. you have more patience than I.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

27. "Because I don't like people who are different

Than me. They scare me…”

Would be their honest answer.

[ShazzieB]

28. I've come to the conclusion that MAGA is not really a political movement so much as a fandom.

It's not really about a shared ideology (although Trump fans do have many shared beliefs). At its core, MAGA is a community based on fanatical devotion to Trump the celebrity and media personality.

When he was starring on The Apprentice, he acquired a fan base of admirers who believed that he really was the fantastically rich and successful businessman portrayed in that show. I strongly suspect (though I can't prove it) that his road to political success was paved by the devotion of fans who had followed that TV series and already saw him as the embodiment of success, wealth, and power before he ever held his first political rally.

Along the way, MAGA fandom grew way beyond Apprentice fandom and into a subculture held together by the sense of community and identity Trump fans acquire through their participation in it.

I really wish someone would do a serious academic study of how the public image TSF acquired through The Apprentice set him up for political success. I honestly thjnk there could be a doctoral dissertation in there for the right researcher.

When I look at MAGA through the lens of fandom, it's not that surprising to me that his fans don't share a coherent political set of political principles. They don't need one, because MAGA is not about that. I believe that's why it's so hard to reach those people through logical, well-reasoned arguments, and why it's so hard to shake their devotion to MAGA even when you can get them to see some of the contradictions.

If there was some way to get them to see that TSF is not the stong, rich, powerful hero5 they think he is, but rather a weak, sniveling coward who has lied to them and misled them over and over again, that might do the trick, but I don't see any way to accomplish that. They're too invested in believing he's their savior who is going to fight for them and get rid of everything that makes them uncomfortable, and they're too good at waving away any information they don't like as "fake news," just as he taught them to do.

[love_katz]

34. Fandom and being brainwashed.

They sound and act like mindless fanatics, whose main interest is getting shown on camera at the rallies. We know the fans of Smelvis don't have economic issues as an excuse for supporting him. They don't seem to have to work a regular job, they drive huge expensive trucks and SUVS, they can afford to throw away $$$ on his Made in China merch which they drape all over their bodies, they can afford to travel to his rallies in comfort and they probably own small businesses.

[617Blue]

53. Which is why a post Trump GOP may be really f-ed

Lots of these voters may just go dark on the GOP when Dump is no longer around.

[Mariana]

65. It's a cult.

I think their beliefs about Trump qualify as religious beliefs. Religious beliefs aren't rational, by definition. That's why they are SO resistant to facts and reason. It certainly doesn't help that so many popular and influential Christian leaders support him and tell their flocks to do the same.

[Warpy]

30. I've always found the Socratic approach works best, so you did very well

with this slogan spouting half wit. You might have made him do something he hasn't done for years---think.

He will likely snark at you from time to time but otherwise avoid you like the plague and I count that a big win.

You can give yourself a pat on the back from me. Nicely done.

[summer_in_TX]

31. Well done!

You kept your cool, and finished strong. I hope I can have your courage and also wisdom. Who knows, maybe that'll even drive him to think!

[tornado34jh]

32. It's bad here in Lakeland at work

Some of my coworkers just will not shut up about how Joe Biden is creating problems. But then again, the store I work at, it's not the most friendliest anyway. Even outside of work, I have seen Trump flags, and there are some areas I saw that have the Three Percenters and all that. That is the definition of a cult.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Perfect

[Aristus]

35. That took a Kentucky-level of grit, KentuckyWoman.

I can't even be in the same room with Trumpsters. I'm not a very confrontational person, but I would engage with any of them if I thought it would do any good. It won't.

[dai13sy]

38. Isn't it crazy

How insane you can make them by asking legitimate questions on legitimate issues. You are right - it is so sad when a large group of Americans still can't figure out what's going on. Get connected to reality people and quit talking trash and listen. Thank you for this.

[PatrickforB]

40. Maybe you made him think, planted a seed of doubt in him that can cause him to look around a bit harder

and be a bit more honest with himself. Because we sure as heck are a whole lot better off now than we were four years ago. Thankfully, we never had to wipe with coffee filters like that one meme (yuck!), but I remember the empty shelves, the fear, people dying, horror stories about intubation.

Nope, this country is MUCH, MUCH, an order of magnitude better now, under Biden.

And think a minute about freedom. What does that even mean? Free to get effed over by employers in a 'right to work' state? Free to die out in the parking lot if you cannot pay for healthcare? Free to be buried under a mountain of student debt?

OK, that's freedom to...what about freedom from? Freedom from...what? Old white Christian guys taking over your uterus? Oh, wait...that's the Republicans. Freedom from being around people who are different because Trump will round them up and put them in camps? Freedom from the bother of voting ever again? Freedom from clean air, clean water? Freedom from biodiversity? Freedom from peace after Putin conquers Ukraine and invades Poland? Because he will...

I guess I'm confused about how Republicans are going to make anything better for anybody but a few billionaire greed-lizards. Despicable party of treason if you ask me.

[llmart]

41. That was an absolutely awesome way to keep the trumper off balance.

His arguments fell flat, even to him I'll bet. You one-upped him royally and did it with tact and facts and composure. I love how his ears got red!

I wouldn't worry too much about him being an enemy. He'll probably just be very cautious around you next time and that's a good thing. He'll just go find some other dupe like himself for validation of his misguided arguments.

[DeeDeeNY]

42. You did great!

It isn't easy to keep your composure when trying to reason with Trump cultists.

[orleans]

44. i do not know what "game night" is but it doesn't sound very fun

when you have to be in any proximity of assholes like that

[Niagara]

50. Game night is an event where a group of people get together to play games.

The games could be cards, board games, charades, dice, or etc.


I use to have regular game nights with people who were MAGA, but that was way before MAGA was a thing or defined.


Luckily politics didn't come up when I use to participate in game nights.

[soldierant]

46. When I saw your title, and your username together,

I was sure that however you did it, it would have been done honorably.

I am certainly not always right - but i was this time, I like being right. Thank you.

[PortTack]

47. You did "battle" honorably....that person is a sore loser. Just like his cult leader

[Maraya1969]

48. If tfg fixed the border why are the all crying about all the people crossing the border

tfg said he would fix it and he didn't. Plus he said Mexico would pay for it. Did they?

[Niagara]

51. Why do these people have to ruin a perfectly good visit?

How difficult is it to enjoy other's company, play games and have a fun evening?


These people are so indoctrinated that their news sources keep them dumb down and angry all the time with blatant disinformation that is easily debunked. It obviously works on them. Other DU-ers share videos with us all the time how dumbed down these people are.


I would attempt to arrange another game night without the blowhard participating. The blowhard could have game nights with other people in your group but without you and you could have game nights with the group without the blowhard. I'm not sure how easily this could be arranged but I would see what could be done. I suggest this since personally, I don't like socializing with MAGAts.


I'm glad that you spoke up!

[Mr. Mustard 2023]

52. Nicely Done!

You are a better person than me. I get livid and can't maintain with those idiots, mainly because the "oh so tough" (they're not) "rugged Republicon white boys" are so very certain - CERTAIN you see, of their arguments - they're suffocating blowhards who talk to me like I'm a moron.

I can't take it from them anymore. I lose it.

So - THANK YOU for exposing one more cuckold Republicon to reality and to the fact, we will fight back.

[richdj25]

55. You did great.....am glad

you brought up the part about what he thinks Trump will do to those he doesn't like, which means suppress/hurt those who look like me.

Thanks for what you did.

[OldBaldy1701E]

56. Hear Hear!

(Also, I hope you were not in the damage zone from the other week. My hubby is from the SW part and they all managed to not have anything bad happen. )

[SARose]

58. If the Trumper is a vet

Kentucky Woman - mind if I use this? Below is another angle for Trump vets.

Surrender: Millions of former US Military members support defeat

Trump is the only President in our history to surrender during a war;
Trump ended all technical support to Afghan forces;
Trump agreed to surrender, but he also agreed to restore Afghanistan;
Trump ordered all forces out of Afghanistan before Biden was President.

I didn’t know all of this when I talked to my Vietnam vet brother. Points 1 and 4 were enough to convince him to do more research. He still won’t vote for a Democrat but is “sitting this one out.” I didn’t tell him that amounts to the same thing.😉

[Iris]

60. Well done!

I can't believe you held out for 2 hours!

Were others around? It might have made someone else think even if he doesn't.

[Woodwizard]

61. Some of my inlaws are trumpers

I hear crap like that all the time. They leverage it with, look Biden is giving housing and healthcare to illegals while we have homeless veterans. So I ask. Really, have you donated any money to veterans groups?

Not one of them has served, back during Bush I stated at a gathering he was going down as the worst president in history after the Iraq invasion, I was called a ffing liberal which does not offend me in the least. On top of that I did serve in the Army. I do need to revise my worst president statement, that will get me some points for sure.

I have a magnetic trump for prison 2024 bumper sticker I put on for family events.