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Intimidating the judge: Expert says Trump Truth Social post put a target on judges daughterTrump could be slapped with "gag order" after latest outburst, says ex-US Attorney Joyce Vance
by Igor Derysh
Salon.com, March 26, 2024
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday attacked the judge overseeing his Manhattan criminal hush-money case and his daughter.
Judge Juan Merchan, a very distinguished looking man, is nevertheless a true and certified Trump Hater who suffers from a very serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome, Trump wrote on Truth Social. In other words, he hates me! His daughter is a senior executive at a Super Liberal Democrat firm that works for Adam Shifty Schiff, the Democrat National Committee, (Dem)Senate Majority PAC, and even Crooked Joe Biden.
Trumps post came a day after Merchan took his lawyers to task for claiming prosecutorial misconduct in the case and set his trial to begin on April 15.
Trump puts a target not only Judge Merchan in the criminal case in Manhattan but on his daughter, tweeted former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance. This is a rank effort at intimidating the judge by threatening his family. It merits a gag order but also serious pushback from GOP leadershipwhich we know won't come.
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https://www.salon.com/2024/03/26/intimidating-the-judge-expert-says-truth-social-post-put-a-target-on-judges-daughter/?in_brief=true
The traitor Donald J Trump is a no-good, low-down, bastard.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)Slap him with a gag order and levy a fine payable within a few hours. NOW!
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)By Olivia Land
New York Post, April 5, 2023
https://nypost.com/2023/04/05/donald-trump-jr-shares-photo-of-judges-daughter-online/
When the courts didn't do what the Führer wanted in 1933, the NAZIs replaced the judges and lawyers.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/law-and-justice-in-the-third-reich
Initech
(100,080 posts)Fuck Fox News.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)and will deal with it accordingly. I think this judge is not to be messed with.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)than I.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,556 posts)Is there a judge in the land with the balls to rein this clown in? I will wait. . .
druidity33
(6,446 posts)Goalpost moving in 10-9-8-7-6-5-...
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)By Geoff Herbert
Syacuse.com, April 5, 2023
Former President Donald Trump targeted the family of a New York judge overseeing his indictment, hours after that same judge warned him not to threaten anyones safety.
This is where we are right now. I have a Trump-hating judge, with a Trump-hating wife and family, whose daughter worked for Kamala Harris and now receives money from the Biden-Harris campaign, Trump said Tuesday night in a speech at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.
SNIP...
Trump criticized Merchan as highly partisan and called his family well known Trump haters on his social media platform Truth Social earlier Tuesday. Trump also complained about how Merchan presided over the criminal trial of the Trump Organization where the Trump companys former CFO Allen Weisselberg pleaded guilty to financial crimes.
HE WAS AN UNFAIR DISASTER ON A PREVIOUS TRUMP RELATED CASE, WOULDNT RECUSE, GAVE HORRIBLE JURY INSTRUCTIONS, & IMPOSSIBLE TO DEAL WITH DURING THE WITCH HUNT TRIAL. HIS DAUGHTER WORKED FOR KAMALA & NOW THE BIDEN-HARRIS CAMPAIGN. KANGAROO COURT!!! Trump wrote.
Insider reports Trump did not provide evidence for his claims made about Merchan and his family, but Newsweek noted that the former presidents son, Donald Trump Jr., posted right-wing articles on social media identifying the judges daughter as Loren Merchan, president and partner of Authentic Campaigns. The companys website says it runs digital campaigns for Democratic candidates, including Vice President Kamala Harris and the Biden-Harris campaign.
Trumps family also posted photos of Loren and suggested its evidence that Judge Merchan is biased against the former president.
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https://www.syracuse.com/state/2023/04/trump-targets-ny-judges-wife-and-daughter-hours-after-warning-not-to-threaten-safety.html
Only a fascist coward would make war on innocent people. I think that includes women and children.
FalloutShelter
(11,869 posts)Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,967 posts)Trump is a fucking thug and a domestic terrorist. He needs to be dealt with accordingly.
He needs to be arrested, handcuffed and placed in a prison cell, the way any common criminal would be treated.
It is only a matter of time before one of his nutty, loser magats act on his threats and innocent people are injured or killed.
Delmette2.0
(4,166 posts)I whould order an immediate arrest and have him brought to the court.
Ask him a few questions and sentence him to one week in jail. One full week, he is not to be released until this same hour next Tuesday, April 2, 2024.
Cuff him and take him to Rikers.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,556 posts)had the balls to do that. The system keeps reinforcing clowns notion that he can shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)I would think that even though the bail is for a different case, what kind of behavior is allowed such that he can remain out on bail threatening the Judiciaries in other jurisdictions? Why isn't his bail revoked for menacing?
birdographer
(1,331 posts)Because he is trump and nothing bad ever happens to him. Slap on the wrist, pat on the head, and he's on to his next felony.
sprinkleeninow
(20,250 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)May the traitor's "Cult" see him in all his orange glory.
It's better than making him into a martyr.
Justice matters.
(6,933 posts)Nothin will happen.
GOTV
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)by Edwin Black
EXCERPT...
The superior species the eugenics movement sought was populated not merely by tall, strong, talented people. Eugenicists craved blond, blue-eyed Nordic types. This group alone, they believed, was fit to inherit the earth. In the process, the movement intended to subtract emancipated Negroes, immigrant Asian laborers, Indians, Hispanics, East Europeans, Jews, dark-haired hill folk, poor people, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the gentrified genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists.
How? By identifying so-called "defective" family trees and subjecting them to lifelong segregation and sterilization programs to kill their bloodlines. The grand plan was to literally wipe away the reproductive capability of those deemed weak and inferior--the so-called "unfit." The eugenicists hoped to neutralize the viability of 10 percent of the population at a sweep, until none were left except themselves.
Eighteen solutions were explored in a Carnegie-supported 1911 "Preliminary Report of the Committee of the Eugenic Section of the American Breeder's Association to Study and to Report on the Best Practical Means for Cutting Off the Defective Germ-Plasm in the Human Population." Point eight was euthanasia.
The most commonly suggested method of eugenicide in America was a "lethal chamber" or public locally operated gas chambers. In 1918, Popenoe, the Army venereal disease specialist during World War I, co-wrote the widely used textbook, Applied Eugenics, which argued, "From an historical point of view, the first method which presents itself is execution Its value in keeping up the standard of the race should not be underestimated." Applied Eugenics also devoted a chapter to "Lethal Selection," which operated "through the destruction of the individual by some adverse feature of the environment, such as excessive cold, or bacteria, or by bodily deficiency."
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http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
The people who think theyre better than others arent.
RockRaven
(14,972 posts)even measured only against his fellow scumbags...
But it also doesn't hurt. What a fucking piece of shit! Say it loud, say it every day.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Etymonline.com
A great word for summing up pee-resident and traitor, Donald J Trump.
republianmushroom
(13,614 posts)The name is trump, donald trump.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)North Shore Chicago
(3,316 posts)with a hand the size of his Uranus!
Jesus, how I absolutely detest that bum.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)No reason that it cannot be again, with the Supreme Court majority from the Middle Ages we got.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Slapped a little Sharpie on him, too.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 26, 2024, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)
Is this kind of behavior tolerated in all judicial proceedings?
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/new-york-penal-code-120-15-menacing-in-the-third-degree.html
Trump is the first "former pee-resident" to engage in public acts of intimidation I know of. He acts like the NAZI gangster he is.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)What kind of man makes war on women?
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)"Adam Shifty Schiff", "Trump Derangement Syndrome, and "certified Trump Hater". Does he even realize how many "Trump haters" there are out there? And they're not "certified", it just comes naturally when a person is so hateful.
I know eight year olds with a better command of the English language.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)Had I known we can be certified Trump haters, I'd have done it 8 years ago!
I've been hating him this whole time without credentials.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)to certify.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Reading and posting on DU.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)I do learn enough here to deserve a credit or two
ShazzieB
(16,420 posts)I don't know about anyone else, but I'd happily make a campaign contribution in return for receiving my "Official Certified Trump Hater" membership card!
Hugin
(33,163 posts)Although, it would be nice to have a certificate to hang in the study.
I've got a perfect spot right over the piano!
I wish somebody had told me!!
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)that I can carry in my wallet. You never know when that might come in handy.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)I don't want to have to carry a framed certificate everywhere I go!
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)And I certainly wouldn't want to be caught without it!
sprinkleeninow
(20,250 posts)Don't leave home without it. 😄
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)k55f5r
(170 posts)n/t
Andrew Shepherd, The American President
3catwoman3
(24,006 posts)one of my favorite movies.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)and that was my favorite scene as well. What a great speech. Aaron Sorkin is an amazing writer.
MorbidButterflyTat
(1,822 posts)and loyalty oath to despise him forever and ever.
Hugin
(33,163 posts)Thats always a nice flourish to a secret handshake.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)I shook hands with a mason at a school board meeting and he kept two fingers on the outside of where they would go in a normal handshake. He said: "Sorry! I thought you were one of us."
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)particularly your own son's hand
dweller
(23,641 posts)Is just passing a dime bag to dad
✌🏻
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)and the Trump card is equated with card-carrying Communists of yore.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)I wonder if that is even legal. I definitely would like credentials.
IronLionZion
(45,452 posts)and the caption being that only one of them is from an English speaking country.
DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)because Biden won the election, we have more Trump Haters out there than he has Trumphumpers......
My current philosophy is enjoy life as much as possible before November, because after the election results are announced it is anybody's guess what his Trumphumpers will do across the entire nation........Even if Trump wins, I fully expect his TrumpHumpers to act out big time, due to their jubilation........
There has never been a more frightening time during our nation's history, and if you think J6 was horrific, then all of us haven't seen anything yet. We are already getting a taste and it is only March.
Katie Bar The Door, people......
The IRS has been reporting for several years now, that there is an accelerating number of the 1%ers becoming ex-pats and leaving for Dubai and the Scandinavian countries........
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)I can only imagine the lengths I'd go to to make this man suffer.
Trump acts like a man who thinks he has nothing to lose. Innocent people try to get along with judges in hopes of getting an aquittal. He also doesnt understand that there are people out there principled enough to stand up to threats, because he and the Republicans are all about themselves. I really think he doesn't realize everyone isn't like hime and his ilk.
A gag order seems too little too late. What 's a fit punishment for putting innocent people's lives in danger, obstruction of justice, witness intimidation....How about not being allowed to run for office for starters, but we already tried that one.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)The British Cult that Worshiped Hitler
By Zachary Peatling
Present History, July 18, 2022
The room was cold, but the atmosphere was electric. Huddled in rows, thirty inmates of Peveril Internment Camp on the Isle of Man, were held in taut expectation. James Larratt Battersby, known around the camp as The Mad Hatter, had rallied these men, promising them a spectacle of a speech. Battersby was known for being a powerful salesman, his stories from his time in the British Union of Fascists and his own rousing speeches had helped him sell this proposition.
The man they had come to see? Thomas St. Barbe Baker. His reputation preceded him. He was loud, outspoken and known as a radical Christian. Some had their suspicions however, and pegged him as more of a con artist than convert. Whether by fortuitous coincidence or by design, he had made friends with the richest people in the camp, and seemed to target those with purchasable loyalties and money to spend.
This didnt dent the excitement of the men that had filled the room to hear him speak. Baker said he had a direct revelation from the Holy Spirit he had to share. And, as he stepped up in front of these men, there did seem to be a sense of some sort of presence around him. Battersby would say that this was because of his connection to God. Others would say it was his own cocksure confidence and heightened self-perception.
As Baker began, gesticulating, his voice filling the room, Battersby was enthralled, the men enraptured and something was being born. Something that would change the lives of Battersby, Baker and the other men and women that would join them. A new group, a new organisation, a new League of Christian Reformers.
As Baker reached the end of his stirring rhetoric, his brow was beaded with sweat, his voice becoming hoarse. Even before he finished his final words, the men before him leapt to their feet, applauding, raising their arms and shouting Heil Hitler!
This was the moment that marked the beginning of the League of Christian Reformers.
That was 1942. But, the story begins a decade earlier. Oswald Mosley, a politician of limited success, founded the British Union of Fascists in 1932. And it was here that all of the founding members of the League would find their starts.
https://www.presenthistory.co.uk/the-british-cult-that-worshiped-hitler.html
From what I've seen, "Christians" who would harm the weak, the meek and those who turn the other cheek, have black holes where their souls should be.
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)looking for something to elevate them out of their depressed state
Fla Dem
(23,690 posts)TheRickles
(2,065 posts)and physically injures someone connected to the case (judge, daughter, wife, etc.).
TheRickles
(2,065 posts)Warpy
(111,274 posts)He's soliciting a murder here and we all know it. The son of a bitch has finally gone too far.
While I favor laryngectomy and amputating all his fingers, custodyuntil after his trial will simply have to do.
johnnyfins
(823 posts)He figures, why not use intimidation? Its part of his playbook. Cant delay? Intimidate. Wash, rinse, repeat.
The bad acting in the courtrooms is So So fake as well. The glum face ALL THE TIME. That's so the people he fleeces for money will feel bad for him and give more. Everything about him is fake.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Which in turn will result in a weeks-long appeals process which must run its course before the actual court case can proceed.
You know, just like how it would happen for you or me.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)Orrex
(63,215 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2024, 10:21 AM - Edit history (1)
An injunction against threatening or harassing agents of the court or their families would seem like the very least requirement of any person involved in legal proceedings.
Lets see what happens when he violates the order. If hes jailed incommunicado pending trial, Ill be satisfied. Short of that, its more of Trump pushing the limits of the law and the court with relative impunity.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)Orrex
(63,215 posts)Why was the injunction not issued in advance, when it's well known that Trump engages in exactly that kind of threat/provocation behavior? It wouldn't even need to be specific to him; a blanket "I remind both parties that they are to refrain from making threatening or inflammatory comments about agents of the courts or their families," etc.
Was it to draw Trump out? To what end? What will happen when he violates the order?
I guess we'll see.
dweller
(23,641 posts)But more likely calling for a hit on his face
acid ?
Im not kidding
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sop
(10,193 posts)onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)to force an issue on which he can appeal, and thus delay his trial. If the Judge were to gag him, he would appeal to get an order narrowing the order or withdrawing it altogether. He would claim first amendment rights, and claim to the Appellates that he was deprived of his civil rights.
I hope the Judge rides it out without doing a thing. I would add a private security service, if he doesn't have one already, but just get to the trial. Trump is starting or now emphasizing all his old tricks. We are still waiting on the SC to shoot down his so-called immunity claims. I think he's in a totally bad spot with this trial.
As disappointed as I was for the delay, I think the Judge has got his sh*t together and is preparing to administer justice. So be it. Trump is going to be so embarrassed. And, maybe in jail when it's done. I don't think Donald is very smart to choose off the Judge because, you know, the possible penalties for these crimes. I wouldn't leave him out on bail after he threatened my daughter. I'd make any bail he got offered so high that he couldn't get that bond, either. It's probably mandated, but still...
MadameButterfly
(1,062 posts)But this judge is on to him, and knows it's the last trial left that can happen before the election.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,033 posts)SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Confront him to his face. Reprimand him, lay down the options and then GAG him. If the judge let's this slide I will be so pissed.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)You can't target a judge's family like this. you or I did this in a case and the judge would throw us in jail without a 2nd thought.
ScratchCat
(1,990 posts)Because we would be "shouting into the wind" so to speak. You can be charged with a crime and stand on a street corner all day yelling that the judge hearing the case hates you and your family. You can post it all day on your Facebook page or whatever social media you want. Unfortunately, this doesn't change for DJT just because he has is own platform. He would have to post a direct, clear threat to the judge or his family for it to not be covered by 1A.
prodigitalson
(2,425 posts)and if he loses what should be the election by 10 million votes and then eeks out an electoral count win he will turn the power of the presidency against everyone who made a helf hearted reluctant effort to stop him.
IronLionZion
(45,452 posts)I would hope Judge Merchan and his daughter have security in case any MAGA folks decide to be mentally ill with no political agenda.
TomDaisy
(1,874 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,065 posts)worth talking about.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Deuxcents
(16,245 posts)He still thinks its the Democrats that are responsible for all these lawsuits and either he refuses to acknowledge, or his lawyers are in agreement, that its certainly not not his criminal activity that has him where he is legally he did nothing wrong, right? So, the judge and his family must be against him and he needs more time to put up his defense.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Recommended.
LoisB
(7,206 posts)Step up sir/madam! Please.
returnee
(43 posts)
so he can appeal it and delay more? Id think twice about that.
On the other hand, the judge could slap down a very strict gag order with very stiff consequences, and as soon as TSF violates it, slap the cuffs on him before the appeal can be enacted.
No lawyer here, no idea if that would work, but the last thing I want is another delay.
PatrickforB
(14,576 posts)either court officers, their families or witnesses and their families.
Why are we allowing Trump to do it?
Seriously if it was ANYONE on this thread pulling this kind of stuff, we'd be slapped in the can faster than you can say intimidation.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)tavernier
(12,392 posts)Im sure he wont open his mouth in public again.
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)BHDem53
(1,061 posts)IcyPeas
(21,889 posts)dlk
(11,569 posts)Hes a menace to public safety.
malaise
(269,054 posts)RFN!
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)revoked, and we would be incarcerated pending trial if we did that.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)And no phone calls.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Trueblue1968
(17,228 posts)#LockUpTrump
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)And we all know what a Trump hating tree hugging liberal he is. hahaha
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,314 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)Is suffered by any normal human being on this planet. Only idiot magats are immuned.
bullimiami
(13,099 posts)bif
(22,720 posts)How the fuck does he get away with this crap?