I hope Ari asks Carville about his 'too many preachy Democratic women' bollocks

[Celerity]

[Ocelot II]

1. Don't count on it.

He's rarely confrontational; he's more likely to go off on some tangent where he can quote rap lyrics. I will be pleasantly surprised if he brings it up.

[hlthe2b]

2. He won't... But, I frankly think Ari has a bit of a misogynist streak himself, albeit better concealed.

'Too many interviews with professional women--especially other accomplished female lawyers--where he gets a bit too condescending for it all to be mere legal or technical disagreement. Yes, it could just be his increasingly large ego, but my "inner detector" sends me signals otherwise.

On edit: Looks like we were wrong. He did confront Carville about it. Go figure.

[JohnSJ]

5. He just did, and he isn't retracting but saying he meant it in the context that we are losing males. He maintained

he was always for women’s issues, and would be happy to appear with AOC to discuss this.

[hlthe2b]

10. I know. I made the edit lower down in my post. He should have that debate with AOC.

I'd tune in.

[LiberalFighter]

34. Did he lose sight of what happened in elections involving the abortion issue?

It was major outcomes.

[dem4decades]

8. Ari has women on all the time, including replacing him when he's off.

Ari has his faults but dissing women isn't one of them.

[hlthe2b]

14. You did not read what I said. He has issues with some prominent women. Not all.

And yes, he not infrequently shows condescension to those he feels either "superior" to or conversely insecure. Of course, he has to feign the respect these women deserve--including expectations of the network and workplace. But, it does come out at times.

He's polished about it which may have convinced you otherwise, but I have had to deal with it in my professional work my entire life. Perhaps you are far younger or work in very different environs to be fortunate not to have experienced it. Tempered behavior based on the setting and what is expected does not mask all the behavior.

[dem4decades]

20. Does he treat women and men the same when he's condensing?

[hlthe2b]

21. No. He does not.

He bends over backward to be respectful to the men with whom he is directly countering--even if they are obvious liars and/or likely criminals.

[Celerity]

3. He did!

[Ocelot II]

4. Great, what did he say? And how did Carville respond?

[JohnSJ]

7. He said he meant it in the context that from focus groups he believes Democrats are losing the male voter, not

against women’s issues, and would be glad to appear one on one with AOC to debate it.

[Ocelot II]

13. Sounds kinda lame to me, when you consider what he actually said.

[JohnSJ]

16. I imagine Ari will try to get both of them on his show to wrangle over it

[Celerity]

17. it was pretty lame, and Carville tried to spin it back to defund the police, etc etc. I will try and find the transcript

Carville did his good ol boy aw shucks I am controversial blah blah shite

[demmiblue]

6. Oh, STFU Carville!

[Coventina]

25. +1!!!!!

[TSExile]

9. Of all the hosts on MSNBC from 4 pm to midnight...

...Ari is by far the weakest link. I definitely have gotten the misogynistic vibe from him as well.

[Celerity]

11. disagree, and he did confront him

[JohnSJ]

12. Yup

[TSExile]

15. To each his/her own...

...and glad he did confront Carville.

[hlthe2b]

18. Thank you. Yes... Polished, but frequently fails to fully mask it.

I do not dislike him sufficiently to stop watching. He can be quite good, but he can also be insufferable.

[dem4decades]

35. Doesn't he have the best ratings?

[SupportSanity]

19. The democratic male perspective is what Carville was talking about...

He wasn't talking about his own personal viewpoint.
He was saying that there is a problem with male democrats and how they are seeing things at this time.

I have read Carville's interview several times.

The only thing he's guilty of is not describing what he meant more clearly in the interview. He can do better.

He's brusque. He's crude. He curses.
Sometimes that all gets in the way.

[Celerity]

22. he used language that went beyond just urging more attention be paid to males, plus used RW framing to bash our Party

“A suspicion of mine is that there are too many preachy females” dominating the culture of his party. “‘Don’t drink beer. Don’t watch football. Don’t eat hamburgers. This is not good for you.’ The message is too feminine: ‘Everything you’re doing is destroying the planet. You’ve got to eat your peas.’

“If you listen to Democratic elites — NPR is my go-to place for that — the whole talk is about how women, and women of color, are going to decide this election. I’m like: ‘Well, 48 percent of the people that vote are males. Do you mind if they have some consideration?’”

[Coventina]

24. Women have lost bodily autonomy, but we have to cater to men's delicate feelings?!?!?!

Fuck that shit!!!!

[Coventina]

23. Women just lost bodily autonomy, but boo-hoo-hoo! The poor ignored males!!!

GMAFB!!

[demmiblue]

26. VIDEO for those who missed it:

Link to tweet

[Celerity]

27. Thanks!

[demmiblue]

30. De nada!

[IcyPeas]

28. And Lara Trump is quoting him now...

RNC co-Chair Lara Trump: Democrats are "on the wrong side" of women.

Link to tweet

[Celerity]

33. Fuck Lara Trump, and also her use of 'Democrat Party'

[Paladin]

29. Fuck both Ari and Carville.

They deserve one another.

[Celerity]

31. Disagree, I like Ari a lot.

[Paladin]

32. Suit yourself. (nt)