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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShould "Cabinet" posts should be elected, not appointed?
Accountability to Americans:
Rather than having the President nominate the heads of the Executive branch departments, with congressional approval, would having them democratically elected help make them more accountable to the people?
Seems to me that they are too insulated by being appointed positions.
jonthebru
(1,034 posts)Renew Deal
(81,877 posts)The point of the Cabinet is to fulfill a presidents agenda. They are basically department heads. The last thing you want is these people working against the president.
Imagine the president wants to diffuse a war while the Secretary of State is working on getting into one? That's not going to work well.
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)it is hard enough to run the executive branch without turning the departments into political footballs.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)question everything
(47,538 posts)struggle4progress
(118,356 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)We have to suffer through too many elections as it is.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)They are part of The President's administration, therefore he should be the one that appoints him.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I do see your point, but we don't need anymore infighting in the Executive branch than we already have...
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)funding campaigns, and pandering to the voting public.
derby378
(30,252 posts)That's one big reason why Presidential elections are so important. He (or she) needs some leeway to create a team that will help implement the White House agenda for the next four years.
Skittles
(153,202 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Maybe not terribly worse than now, but who will vet these people? Where will their campaign money come from? Will voters be able to evaluate all the candidates? They lie, y'know.
Not good on it's face.
--imm
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)architect359
(578 posts)Historic NY
(37,453 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)change as much. It's a kind of balance of power.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)It reeks.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But in this case I have to agree with the majority opinion.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)because I don't want any of that.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)I quit a few months ago. Perhaps some Sour Diesel or O.G. Kush would give me better ideas (like I could ever afford the goods).
I keep reading that we need more democracy and accountability from our leaders. So what positions that are not currently elected should be?
dsc
(52,166 posts)that could use some independence.
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)by others here. But also, you would need a Constitutional Amendment in order to implement that idea, and that just ain't gonna happen, fortunately.
napi21
(45,806 posts)Dept. heads who arew simply good ZBSers instead of knowing what they're doing in the job.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)With the appointment of Supreme Court and perhaps Defense and a few others but he needs a team effort surrounding the president.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)so we often have a mixed bag, politically.
To a degree, it is a workable situation, particularly since the state has a tendency to vote for Republican governors (generally by very narrow margins). Currently, the governor and lt. governor are Republican and the remaining members of the branch are Democrats.
I've never noticed that it caused undue gridlock, but I could see where it would be more of an issue in the much more politically charged atmosphere of national politics. The biggest issue is informed voters. It's a problem at the state level and would be nightmarish at the national level.
Interesting concept, but I don't think it would work very well.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...that vote says you trust him to pick the people best qualified to help him achieve what he's promised he'll achieve. Granted, some if not a lot of those getting positions may be getting them as favors or consolations prizes for supporting the president or not interfering or even for "losing" with grace. BUT, this is still better than having voters elect people for positions they (the voters) know little about and/or know nothing about what makes someone a good, qualified candidate for that position (what does the Secretary of State do and what should be the minimum qualifications for that job? What past experiences should one have to be a good Secretary of State?)
It's bad enough that the office of President is a popularity contest that can pretty much be bought and sold rather than one where candidates have to--ought to--pass certain intelligence and psychology tests before they're even allowed to campaign. Let's not expand that to the President's cabinet and have him working with not only those he might not get along with, not only those pushing their own agenda (not his, the one we voted for), but have him scrambling to patch up the gross mistakes made by unqualified people voted in for bad or stupid reasons.
I mean, imagine if we'd had people vote for Obama's Cabinet after the election of 2008. Sarah Palin was hugely popular at the time. Can you imagine if she'd been voted in as Secretary of State over Hilary? Yikes! Wake me when that nightmare is over. Sorry. Bad idea all the way round.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)Justin_Beach
(111 posts)I'm trying to imagine the cabinet meetings with the head of every department trying to score points for their (personal) team, trying to get extra dollars and trying to grab headlines - even at the expense of the President and the other cabinet heads.
Imagine the Secretary of Defense, for example, what if peace breaks out? It would look bad on his/her record - "Don't reelect the do nothing Secretary of Defense'.
It is one of the things that the US system and the Parliamentary system have in common, and for good reason. The chief executive needs a team, one he can trust and one that will carry out his/her instructions. Remember that no matter what these people do it falls on the President's shoulders when the next election rolls around, how is that going to work if they aren't answerable to the President?
TeamPooka
(24,259 posts)says Comic Book Guy.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I love easy questions.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Imagine the length of Election ballots ...
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Paladin
(28,276 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)there's a host of reasons why this is not a good idea. First and foremost in my mind, is that it makes it pointless to have a president.