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Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:40 AM Nov 2012

Oregon’s 7-year-old medical marijuana patient stirs controversy

Source: Raw Story

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/25/oregons-7-year-old-medical-marijuana-patient-stirs-controversy/

Mykayla Comstock, a seven-year-old girl who was diagnosed with an aggressive form of leukemia, has a medical marijuana license in Oregon and consumes strong capsules of the drug twice daily, reported The Oregonian.

She is one of 2,201 cancer patients and one of 52 children allowed to use medical marijuana in the state. Her age, however, has stirred controversy and left some wondering whether — and where — to draw the line on a drug that can ease the side effects of illnesses and cancer treatment.

One recent international study found that marijuana use among youth whose brains are still developing can damage memory and intellect. Some doctors say that children can be treated with better, less controversial medications .

While Mykayla’s mother administers the capsules and occasional cannabis-laced confections, her father, who lives in North Dakota, opposes the treatment, claiming that during one visit she was “stoned out of her mind.”

Mykayla says the drug helps her “eat and sleep” and makes her feel “funny, happy.”

She is currently in remission, and her mother still administers medical marijuana to her.

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Oregon’s 7-year-old medical marijuana patient stirs controversy (Original Post) Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 OP
I didn't read anything "controversial" in the article in the Oregonian today condoleeza Nov 2012 #1
no mention of chemo damage though sigmasix Nov 2012 #2
+1,000 Scuba Nov 2012 #3
They can have her high and happy Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #4
RE: Remission justiceischeap Nov 2012 #7
My Dr tells me it has many anti cancer properties cpamomfromtexas Nov 2012 #9
I knew a woman whose son went into remission Aerows Nov 2012 #56
Makes sense. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #99
My only issue with this is whether the 7 year old understands what she is being given davidpdx Nov 2012 #5
Okay. Explain it. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #6
Well I'm not a doctor, nor have I ever claimed to be one davidpdx Nov 2012 #8
How would your analysis change if this child were given a (perfectly legal!) opiate? Romulox Nov 2012 #10
I think opiates would be problematic as well davidpdx Nov 2012 #18
Um, it happens every day. YOU BETTER WRITE TO YOUR CONGRESSPERSON! Romulox Nov 2012 #27
You've gone your entire life Aerows Nov 2012 #58
I probably have had it in one form or another davidpdx Nov 2012 #92
Tell me about it Aerows Nov 2012 #94
I've gone through the same thing davidpdx Nov 2012 #98
Oh, I know exactly what happened Aerows Nov 2012 #101
How is this different from any other drug out there? EOTE Nov 2012 #13
Not a scientist, a doctor should though which is what I said if you look at what I originally posted davidpdx Nov 2012 #19
Once again, you're acting as if MJ is different than any other drug. EOTE Nov 2012 #31
I think he's arguing that kids should be informed...for all drugs and procedures. n/t Chan790 Nov 2012 #50
That's not really what he specified, he chose this particular case because it involved MMJ. EOTE Nov 2012 #61
I'm not disagreeing. Chan790 Nov 2012 #86
Explain what exactly? Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #47
Actually go back and read my other posts and then respond davidpdx Nov 2012 #91
My daughter was given morphine when she broke her arm Tsiyu Nov 2012 #16
I'm not implying the girl will turn out to be a drug user davidpdx Nov 2012 #20
I think you did mention "discussing with the child" Tsiyu Nov 2012 #21
No that was me davidpdx Nov 2012 #23
A seven year old can't make these decisions Tsiyu Nov 2012 #25
what you said shanti Nov 2012 #84
Walk it back. Walk. It. Back! nt Romulox Nov 2012 #28
opiates aren't as effective sigmasix Nov 2012 #11
The father seems like an absent asshole. EOTE Nov 2012 #12
Absolutely agree Tsiyu Nov 2012 #22
This is another example of this country's Puritan attitude toward pain. yardwork Nov 2012 #14
Oh gee willikers...just thinking out loud: catch the spit. Nov 2012 #15
Perhaps because they'd rather she have a shot at living than have her 6 feet under already. Lars39 Nov 2012 #17
The "cure" is what kills these people! i am thee modren man Nov 2012 #85
I'm 9 years out from a stage 3B breast cancer diagnosis. Lars39 Nov 2012 #88
So what's the alternative? RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #95
Many medicines are potentially addictive. All medicines have side-effects. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #24
exactly sigmasix Nov 2012 #26
Marijuana isn't addictive. FACT based community, remember? nt Romulox Nov 2012 #29
True loyalsister Nov 2012 #49
That's what "addictive" means. Anything can be said to cause "psychological dependency"--internet Romulox Nov 2012 #51
the equivalent of 10 joints a day to a seven year old IN REMISSION? demhottie Nov 2012 #30
I saw that and also thought 10 joints/day for a 7 year old?? In remission? riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #32
The child isn't being given any joints at all. But don't let facts interrupt your Drug Warrioring! Romulox Nov 2012 #33
Do you know what "equivalent" means? LisaL Nov 2012 #35
Do you know how to use "quotation marks"? Romulox Nov 2012 #36
Fine then, EQUIVALENT to 10 joints/day. Ingested or smoked still makes one high nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #40
Are you logging in and out? You appear to be having a seamless conversation as TWO different people. Romulox Nov 2012 #42
I don't know how that's relevant gollygee Nov 2012 #59
it's VERY rare that someone gets chemo while in remission demhottie Nov 2012 #62
It doesn't sound like she's been in remission for long gollygee Nov 2012 #64
And she may not stay in remission very long. Lars39 Nov 2012 #67
Her chances of relapse are only 7% with the chemo she's had riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #71
But her chances of survival are much less if she is underweight and not getting enough rest. Lars39 Nov 2012 #81
She's been in remission for several months at least. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #68
I read the original article and it said she wears a cap to cover the strawberry fuzz on her head gollygee Nov 2012 #69
My niece's hair never grew back, she also had acute lymphoblastic leukemia as a child. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #75
yeh, this is a big scam so the boyfriend can get RICH selling pot to this sick little girl.. frylock Nov 2012 #73
The distinction is only important if you don't assign value to MMJ during remissions NoOneMan Nov 2012 #76
how many joints does four vicodins amount to? frylock Nov 2012 #72
willfull ignorance is also a DU sacred cow.. frylock Nov 2012 #70
ITA. LisaL Nov 2012 #34
The Drug Warriors are also amateur oncologists, able to second-guess any medical decisions with Romulox Nov 2012 #37
And pot supporters aren't amateur oncologists? LisaL Nov 2012 #38
Nope. Only the Drug Warriors here are presuming to second guess this child's doctors Romulox Nov 2012 #41
Last time we talked about this Romulox, you were emphatically questioning transplant docs riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #44
Right. Because there is no scientific basis for it. SCIENCE, not your morality, should be the guide. Romulox Nov 2012 #46
Oh FFS, I'm not moralizing about it. The drug war is a huge sham that needs shutting down yesterday riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #52
And yet here you are, questioning this child's doctors... Again. nt Romulox Nov 2012 #54
Her doctors aren't prescribing this. Her mother is the sole control. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #65
You are incorrect about the law. Every Medical Marijuan patient in Oregon must Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #80
So which is correct? That the parent's decide the dosage and frequency, or the doctor? riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #89
The boyfriend is a licensed medical marijuana grower Aerows Nov 2012 #63
I don't think we're getting the whole story here either Aerows. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #77
This entire story is so riddled with contradictions Aerows Nov 2012 #93
What's controversial? If she's old enough to die of leukemia, she's old enough to have medicine... Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #39
For heaven's sake Aerows Nov 2012 #43
Word the fuck up, Aweows. This girl's dad is an asshat. nt Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #48
It would make my son eat and sleep. Should I give it to him? Barack_America Nov 2012 #57
We are talking about a child that has just undergone Aerows Nov 2012 #60
stupid and insensitive.. frylock Nov 2012 #74
Wow. Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #83
What story did you read to come to that conclusion? RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #96
She's taking in much worse stuff than marijuana gollygee Nov 2012 #45
Because man-made drugs with side-effects are better? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #53
Sure, Let The Child Suffer fredamae Nov 2012 #55
Photo of patient with mom and mom's boyfriend. KansDem Nov 2012 #66
I know lets take the medical marijuana away from the child and give her Dems50State Nov 2012 #78
Marinol=joke sigmasix Nov 2012 #100
Nothing against medicinal marijuana, but this makes me uncomfortable... nachosgrande Nov 2012 #79
Mykayla says the drug helps her “eat and sleep” and makes her feel “funny, happy.” shanti Nov 2012 #82
Oh noes! A buzz! Tsiyu Nov 2012 #87
Why don't 7-year olds on Abilify or Resperidol or Ritalin cause the same amount of controversy? GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #90
How about not drawing a line and letting sick people get some relief. Politicub Nov 2012 #97

condoleeza

(814 posts)
1. I didn't read anything "controversial" in the article in the Oregonian today
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:14 AM
Nov 2012

but I guess using the word "controversy" might draw more readers?? I thought it was a well written article and made the point that she feels better with the capsules. Oregon will legalize MJ in the next election. It's only a matter of time before it's legal all over at least the blue states. It's a win win and "high" time.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
2. no mention of chemo damage though
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:13 AM
Nov 2012

It seems to me that the writer probably should have asked about the negative effects of chemotherapy on young brains and bodies. Perhaps the writer of the article is more interested in the "controversy" than the child's well-being.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
4. They can have her high and happy
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:51 AM
Nov 2012

or miserble and hurting. I'm not sure about giving it to her when she's in remission unless there are still side effects. That I wonder about. She my have to be weaned off of it. I don't know.

I also want to hear about the better, less controversial methods they speak of. I would like to know about those. My guess is that they are less controversial not necessarily better.

As far as brain damage in the young, that is from one study cited. There may be other studies to contradict that. I can't imagine that constant misery and pain helps development.

Give her munchies and leave her the hell alone.

cpamomfromtexas

(1,247 posts)
9. My Dr tells me it has many anti cancer properties
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:59 AM
Nov 2012

But we don't have medical mj in Texas.

We are the knuckle dragger state.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
56. I knew a woman whose son went into remission
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:06 PM
Nov 2012

from some type of cancer (I don't remember which type it was), but he was nothing but skin and bones from the ravages chemo took on his body.

It's probably doing exactly what it is supposed to do - helping her "eat and sleep" so that she can put some weight back on. Any time you are severely underweight, you are in danger that one infection can put you past the point of no return. As a child that is probably also on other drugs that affect her immune system, I would imagine that concern is doubly so.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
5. My only issue with this is whether the 7 year old understands what she is being given
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:34 AM
Nov 2012

Clearly it helped her, but was it explained to her and can she understand what she is taking.

(BTW I voted for Oregon's medical marijuana law)

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
6. Okay. Explain it.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:40 AM
Nov 2012

I would seriously like to hear what a seven year old should be told that she will understand or care about.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
8. Well I'm not a doctor, nor have I ever claimed to be one
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:04 AM
Nov 2012

She should care because it is her body. Like any drug there are side effects and those differ depending upon the person's body. I'm glad her cancer is in remission, but what happens if the cancer comes back? Do they continue the marijuana dosage or go to convectional medicine? If I had a child who was going through that, I would want them to know what is going on. I sure as hell think they deserve to know. Anything who thinks otherwise is living in the stone ages.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
10. How would your analysis change if this child were given a (perfectly legal!) opiate?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:01 AM
Nov 2012

How many news stories have you explored on the subject of opiates prescribed to children? I would think you'd have some fairly in-depth thoughts about those far more common cases?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
18. I think opiates would be problematic as well
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:17 PM
Nov 2012

Those are legal, but very strong. Don't think I've ever been a an opiate drug (that I know of).

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
27. Um, it happens every day. YOU BETTER WRITE TO YOUR CONGRESSPERSON!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:01 AM
Nov 2012

Your nonsense talking point ("won't someone PLEASE think of the children!&quot has been skewered, I'm afraid. May I suggest "But they may be DRIVING!" as your next non-factual talking point?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
58. You've gone your entire life
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:09 PM
Nov 2012

without taking codeine cough syrup for bad bronchitis, or Vicoden for getting a tooth pulled or some similar injury that is painful? Those are opiates. I would be genuinely surprised that you have managed to go your entire life without having either of those things administered to you.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
92. I probably have had it in one form or another
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:57 PM
Nov 2012

I personally hate strong pain medication especially the stuff they put into your cheek in the dentist office. It tastes like crap.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
94. Tell me about it
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:01 PM
Nov 2012

I had 3 impacted wisdom teeth. All the pain medication did was put me in a bad mood, though granted, it was impossible to separate a bad mood from the pain after the fact of them having them dig the suckers out from where they were nearly penetrating my sinus cavity on both sides.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
98. I've gone through the same thing
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:31 PM
Nov 2012

I don't think all of them were impacted, but I chose to have all of them pulled at the same time. Then I had to have that damn cotton in my mouth which bugged the hell out of me, so I took it out. Then of course you can guess what happened. Wasn't very smart on my part. lol

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
101. Oh, I know exactly what happened
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nov 2012

since I did the same thing. Dry sockets. Just a horrible, horrible experience. The only thing I could eat were iced fudge bar popsicles, which I loved, and I will never eat another one again after the experience of the blood mixing with the melted chocolate in my mouth.

:shudder:

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
13. How is this different from any other drug out there?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:25 PM
Nov 2012

I'm sure she's told that she's consuming marijuana. Do you want them to bring out a scientist to explain precisely what marijuana and cannabinoids are? Do you really think that what they do with pot is any different than any other drugs they prescribe?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. Not a scientist, a doctor should though which is what I said if you look at what I originally posted
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:21 PM
Nov 2012

I realize everyone is heavily pro-marijuana on DU (I voted for Oregon's medicinal marijuana law, but against legalization), but I do think informed consent can be extended to a 7 year old. I'm not saying don't give it to her (like many are assuming I am), but asking whether it has been explained to her.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
31. Once again, you're acting as if MJ is different than any other drug.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:20 AM
Nov 2012

It's a pretty silly argument you're presenting. What makes you think that the doctors are treating this MMJ different than ANY OTHER substance they might give the kid? Do you think doctors explain cardiac stents to children before operations? It really helps to think about these things before commenting. Extremely silly.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
61. That's not really what he specified, he chose this particular case because it involved MMJ.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:33 PM
Nov 2012

What would make him think that doctors would explain the use of marijuana as a medicine differently from any other drug? Do you think that doctors look at MMJ and just treat it like having a few beers? It's a really silly comment to make.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
86. I'm not disagreeing.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:38 PM
Nov 2012

It was the only coherent interpretation I could make of the argument posed.

(Nice MD flag. We definitely have the best state flag.)

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
47. Explain what exactly?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:51 AM
Nov 2012

Do you think a 7-year-old knows what they're being given in any other circumstance during a cancer treatment? Is every drug and its side effects explained in detail to the child?

Look, you don't like MJ (as evidenced by the fact you'd rather people do drugs from Philip Morris, Phizer and Anheiser Busch than have a choice) but your assertion that it's necessary to explain MJ more than any other drug just because it's MJ is absurd. Trust me, this child has ingested things far more toxic and dangerous during the course of her cancer treatment.



Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
16. My daughter was given morphine when she broke her arm
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:29 PM
Nov 2012

maybe she was 11 or 12?

Of course, later her older brothers teased her a bit about being a druggie, but just in fun.

She was in severe pain, it helped her, and though it was only a dose or two in the ER, it was a strong drug for a little girl. WE didn't go into all the ramifications.

She doesn't smoke anything as a grown woman, nor does she take any pills or drugs. She turned out fine.

This 7-year-old could be prescribed all sorts of painkillers that have far more serious side effects than cannabis. And yes, many of those legal pills - the ones all the insured folks have made more ubiquitous than air because insured people are eating them like frickin candy - have deleterious side effects we DON't EVEN KNOW about yet - especially in children.

Cannabis is the safest choice for pain or appetite, given what we still don't know about America's Happy Pills.






davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
20. I'm not implying the girl will turn out to be a drug user
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:23 PM
Nov 2012

In fact I would say given her cancer it is highly unlikely she would.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
21. I think you did mention "discussing with the child"
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:27 PM
Nov 2012

what the kid was taking?

Maybe that was another poster, sorry if I'm wrong.

I was saying there that I didn't go over the ramifications of the morphine with my kid. I just let her get loopy so she wasn't in agony any more.

A seven-year-old with cancer doesn't really need to have a discourse on the PDR definitions of her meds. She just needs to be made comfortable. Any prescription painkillers will have worse long term side effects than cannabis, and no physician worth his or her medical license would say otherwise.







davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
23. No that was me
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:46 PM
Nov 2012

That mentioned discussing it. I would assume since cancer is pretty serious the parents or doctor would have discussed or tried to give a basic explanation about that. If they did, I would also assume she be told what she was given. Maybe people with children don't feel their child should have that right to at least be told that. As I said before, with any drug regardless of what it is there are side effects and making the child aware of them could save their life if they did occur. '

To be clear, I never advocated not giving her the dosage and I actually support medical marijuana in Oregon.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
25. A seven year old can't make these decisions
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:11 AM
Nov 2012

and alarming the child seems silly.

Example: When each of my kids got their immunizations, I had to sign consent forms and read about the - sometimes horrific - negative side effects. At no point did I read these to any of my children ( I mean as they got older. )

The parent gives consent; a child hasn't the capacity to determine risk and shouldn't be made afraid of treatment. Honesty is good, but a seven-year-old is too young to understand anything more than that their medicine will help them and to let grownups know if they feel the medicine is hurting them.

There's really enough to be frightened about for this child.





shanti

(21,675 posts)
84. what you said
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:06 PM
Nov 2012

a 7 year old takes what the parent gives them. i don't know of any 7 year old that asks their parent about the meds they are given. there was also a story about a man who was giving his 3 year old ill child a tincture of mm. same deal, imo.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
11. opiates aren't as effective
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:19 PM
Nov 2012

I have been fighting cancer for 10 years. The twice-a-day chemotherapy regime I have been using for the last 8 years takes my appetite, my energy, my humor and my health. When we tried using opiates to relieve the horrible side effects I found that my quality of life was spiraling down into an opiate dream world that robbed me of myself. I live in Michigan and we have a MM law. I find that one or two joints has a much more positive affect in releiving the worst parts of the sickness and pain, with the added bonus of being able to function without knodding-off all day. Opiates are physically addictive and damaging to the liver and other organs over long periods of use. I have been smoking 3 to 4 joints a day for over 5 years and have never had the serious emotional or intellectual side-effects that anti-MM crusaders claim exist. My short-term memory is shot, but we think it more likely to be caused by the chemotherapy, than the pot. My wife and daughters call it "chemo-brain" and we joke about it sometimes. I'm always suspicious of the anti-medical marijuana folks; they dont seem to be too offended by the notion that cancer sufferers must take poison into their bodies to live, but a little herb to give me an appetite and make me feel better is wrong, somehow.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
12. The father seems like an absent asshole.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:22 PM
Nov 2012

He's against the treatment because he saw her "stoned out of her mind"? I'm guessing the "father" would have been happier if his daughter were in ungodly pain due to chemo? What a dick.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
22. Absolutely agree
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:30 PM
Nov 2012

I am glad the kid is not in the clutches of that apparent sadist.

She has enough pain without his help.




yardwork

(61,712 posts)
14. This is another example of this country's Puritan attitude toward pain.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:25 PM
Nov 2012

Our culture has long had the attitude that it is better to suffer pain, because for some reason pain is "Godly," than to take drugs to control the pain. The drugs might make us high! That's the devil's work. This attitude goes back to 17th century attitudes.

 

catch the spit.

(6 posts)
15. Oh gee willikers...just thinking out loud:
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:33 PM
Nov 2012

How about stopping administering the POISON that is making her so nauseated?!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. Many medicines are potentially addictive. All medicines have side-effects.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:57 PM
Nov 2012

The fact that the appropriate medicine in this case happens to be marijuana should be a complete non-issue.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
26. exactly
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:10 AM
Nov 2012

What many people don't understand is that, to a cancer fighter, marijuana is just another one of the medicines in the modern arsenal of cancer warriors. My oncologist is pre-eminent in his field and he heartily agrees with the use of medicinal marijuana- unfortunately he works in a state that has no MM laws, so he cannot prescribe it or talk to me about it as if it were a legitimate treatment. It's a dumb law written by ill-informed state politicians that encroaches on all sorts of rights and liberties.
What sort of people would deny cancer fighters access to their medication?
This child is lucky to have an understanding mom. I hope that this child can keep the cancer in remission and be able to look forward to a life without chemotherapy or medicinal marijuana.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
49. True
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:52 AM
Nov 2012

There are no physical withdrawal symptoms.
However, as with gambling, shopping, sex... people can and do develop psychological dependency and unhealthy behaviors associated with it do emerge.
Fact.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
51. That's what "addictive" means. Anything can be said to cause "psychological dependency"--internet
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

usage, for example. But by the same token, few seriously claim internet usage is "addictive".

And nobody incarcerates anyone on that basis.

demhottie

(292 posts)
30. the equivalent of 10 joints a day to a seven year old IN REMISSION?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:50 AM
Nov 2012

and the boyfriend's the dealer? If insurance is paying for it they are making money off the daughter and using pot to keep her tired and out of their hair. Isn't it unethical to be making money off of her condition? (I'm just thinking out loud.)

What could possibly be the reason for administering the equivalent of 10 joints a day to a seven year old IN REMISSION?

Even if it was a standard pharmaceutical, it would be odd to administer it when there are no symptoms- like giving your kid a swig of NyQuil every night instead of hiring a babysitter ...



Gratuitous smilie:

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
32. I saw that and also thought 10 joints/day for a 7 year old?? In remission?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nov 2012

But for more than a few DUers, MJ usage is a sacred cow that mustn't be questioned.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
36. Do you know how to use "quotation marks"?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:36 AM
Nov 2012

The poster I responded to didn't use the word "equivalent".

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
59. I don't know how that's relevant
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:10 PM
Nov 2012

Someone might need more to help with the side effects of chemo and leukemia than someone else who is healthy might need to get high. Her doctor is probably a better judge of that, and apparently whatever doctor they're seeing is OK with it. Marijuana isn't like morphine, where you can OD if you have a lot of it.

I don't know if her age is relevant either. If she's old enough to get chemo that can make her so sick, and if she's old enough to get leukemia that can make her feel so horrible, she's old enough to get whatever it takes to make her feel better.

demhottie

(292 posts)
62. it's VERY rare that someone gets chemo while in remission
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:35 PM
Nov 2012


and I don't think that's the case here.

The point is that she is in remission, NOT receiving chemotherapy and her mom has her stoned of her ass, while her mom's boyfriend is probably PAID to supply drugs to her.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
64. It doesn't sound like she's been in remission for long
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:44 PM
Nov 2012

I assume she's still recovering from that. If she had been off chemo for months, then I imagine her doctor would say something, but it sounds like her doctor is OK with it for now, and the doctor knows what's happening better than we do.

And the boyfriend is paid by whom? Not by the government. By private insurance? They can certainly complain about that.

Lars39

(26,117 posts)
67. And she may not stay in remission very long.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:58 PM
Nov 2012

Odds aren't all that great for aggressive leukemia in children.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
71. Her chances of relapse are only 7% with the chemo she's had
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:03 PM
Nov 2012

With chemotherapy, doctors put Mykayla's odds of survival at 76.9 percent and her chance of relapse at 7 percent, Purchase said

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/11/medical_marijuana_for_a_child.html#incart_river_default#incart_m-rpt-2

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
68. She's been in remission for several months at least.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:58 PM
Nov 2012

From the article she went into remission late spring so she's several months into remission.

I don't know any cancer patients who continue to get chemo in remission. You get chemo its because you've relapsed (or been recently diagnosed).



Her doctor isn't monitoring it. Her mother is.

"Oregon law doesn't require the monitoring of a child's medical marijuana use by a pediatrician. Under the state's 14-year-old medical marijuana law, parents are authorized to decide the dosage, frequency and manner of a child's marijuana consumption.

Although marijuana is listed as a Schedule II narcotic by the State of Oregon, the federal government classifies it as a Schedule I narcotic, which means a physician cannot prescribe it, according to the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program handbook. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/mykayla-comstock-oregon-girl-leukemia-medical-marijuana-video_n_2192676.html

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
69. I read the original article and it said she wears a cap to cover the strawberry fuzz on her head
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:01 PM
Nov 2012

which lead me to believe that her hair hasn't been growing back very long.

And it also said that her doctors are aware, or that the mother has discussed with with her doctor, or something like that.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
75. My niece's hair never grew back, she also had acute lymphoblastic leukemia as a child.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:11 PM
Nov 2012

She had even more chemo then this girl (8 months) vs 1 month for Mykayla.



frylock

(34,825 posts)
73. yeh, this is a big scam so the boyfriend can get RICH selling pot to this sick little girl..
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:07 PM
Nov 2012

are you for fucking real?!!

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
76. The distinction is only important if you don't assign value to MMJ during remissions
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:19 PM
Nov 2012

Clearly we know chemotherapy has no value during remission that outweighs its side effects (which are toxic).

But does increased appetite, euphoria and the anti-carcinogenic effects of medical marijuana for a young, recovering cancer patient outweigh the risk of her becoming a Grateful Dead fan? Ill leave that up to her doctor

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
34. ITA.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:33 AM
Nov 2012

Why is the child given marijuana now, considering she is in remission?
I guess I shouldn't be surprising that people here are jumping on the child's father who is questioning this.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
37. The Drug Warriors are also amateur oncologists, able to second-guess any medical decisions with
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:37 AM
Nov 2012

uncanny precision!

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
41. Nope. Only the Drug Warriors here are presuming to second guess this child's doctors
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:43 AM
Nov 2012

(the same team that helped her get to remission in the first place, by the way. )

There is no evidence that pot cures cancer.


Straw man much? No drug "cures" cancer. That's not an argument for denying anyone treatment, especially children.
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
44. Last time we talked about this Romulox, you were emphatically questioning transplant docs
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:46 AM
Nov 2012

who forbid medical MJ to transplant patients.



FWIW, I have no idea what this girl's doctor is thinking prescribing the EQUIVALENT of 10 joints/day for this girl in remission. I am merely pointing out that I too was surprised to see her prescribed this dosage.

My husband's in remission for Stage IV, Grade IV lymphoma and I don't know of ANY of our fellow cancer travellers in our support groups who have ever taken that much mj to alleviate their symptoms - and these are all adults.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
46. Right. Because there is no scientific basis for it. SCIENCE, not your morality, should be the guide.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:50 AM
Nov 2012

Your moralizing isn't any more compelling than that of a fundamentalist Christian. Perhaps even less say, because they at least have some sort of book to back up what they say. On the other hand, the Drug Warriors have access to the same studies as everyone else. But they don't support your claims, so you just seem to make this stuff up as you go along.

Either back your claims with science, or quit trying to control other people's lives.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
52. Oh FFS, I'm not moralizing about it. The drug war is a huge sham that needs shutting down yesterday
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

I'm into MJ issues neck deep at my household so don't spew that shit at me again.

My husband and I know HUNDREDS of medical MJ users through his own lymphoma, and I say more power to patients who they need it.

My sister's a recent transplant recipient so I KNOW what the medical restrictions are for that (no MJ usage at all, not even medical MJ).

My 16 yr old is a troubled substance abuser whose now been through rehab twice so I've also spoken with enough addicts to hear that side of it as well.



 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
65. Her doctors aren't prescribing this. Her mother is the sole control.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
Nov 2012

"Oregon law doesn't require the monitoring of a child's medical marijuana use by a pediatrician. Under the state's 14-year-old medical marijuana law, parents are authorized to decide the dosage, frequency and manner of a child's marijuana consumption. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/mykayla-comstock-oregon-girl-leukemia-medical-marijuana-video_n_2192676.html


In fact, her oncology doctors thought the medical MJ use was "inappropriate".

"Purchase and Krenzler said Dr. Janice Olson, the medical director of the children's cancer and blood disorders program at Legacy Emanuel's Randall Children's Hospital, called the girl's marijuana use "inappropriate."
http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/11/medical_marijuana_for_a_child.html#incart_river_default#incart_m-rpt-2

So they changed doctors....


"The state imposes no standards for quality, safety or potency in the production of marijuana."

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/11/medical_marijuana_for_a_child.html#incart_river_default#incart_m-rpt-2



And FWIW, you were the one who was questioning the transplant doctors.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
80. You are incorrect about the law. Every Medical Marijuan patient in Oregon must
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:56 PM
Nov 2012

provide the State with a double verified physician's authorization statement. This is done on a yearly basis. So while parents are, as they are with all medications, in charge of administering them to their own kids, they simply are not the 'sole' voice in making the decision to use the medication. Even adult patients must have the authorization of their physician to take part in the program.
Not that facts would matter to you.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
89. So which is correct? That the parent's decide the dosage and frequency, or the doctor?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:26 PM
Nov 2012

As far as I can tell, its the parents who make the decisions on what they're giving the child after they have doctor give them a MMJ card.

The story indicates that the mother in this case is making all the decisions about dosage and frequency, not a doctor. If my kid is prescribed an opiate, the RX is extremely specific about dosage and frequency, at the doctor's direction. While I could presumably self-medicate my kid outside those guidelines, this case doesn't indicate that the mom is following ANY guidelines but her own. The child's initial oncology doctor found the MMJ usage "inappropriate" so the mom switched doctors!

Facts do matter. For me they matter a lot. There's already been a ton of misinformation on this thread alone about this case - that the girl is still getting chemo for one, when she's @ 6 months past completion.

I don't think we're getting all the story on this case but what else is new.

FWIW, I will reiterate - I am 110% against the drug war. Its a massive injustice and weed convictions are an even stupider injustice.

However, if we don't aim for responsible usage and self-monitor those who may be abusing the system, decriminalization OR making it legal will NEVER happen imho.



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
63. The boyfriend is a licensed medical marijuana grower
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

If you read the article, she does not take the equivalent of 10 joints a day every day. That was when the kid was going through a very crappy time.

The lady herself responded in the comments section of the original Oregonian article and stated that her doctor DID know all of this, and that the article was incorrect (and about more than just that). The Oregonian didn't bother to correct the article.

Now does that sound like we are getting the whole story here, because it doesn't to me.

On edit: I'd also like to point out that I do NOT smoke pot. The only horse I have in this race is that I think it is ridiculous to deny people who are suffering treatment that can improve their health and/or quality of life. I would feel the same way about this issue if antibiotics were suddenly outlawed.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
77. I don't think we're getting the whole story here either Aerows.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:21 PM
Nov 2012

There appears to be some discrepancies - the initial oncology team for Mykayla believes the MJ use is "inappropriate" so they switched doctors. But they are still at the same facility? She's in remission for several months now (and has been off chemo for several months now as well) but they're still claiming she needs it for chemo?

Weird.

I agree that if she needs meds to help her, then by all means she should have access to ALL drugs that will help her, including medical MJ.

For now, since there appears to be some problems with the story, I think I'll leave this alone.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
93. This entire story is so riddled with contradictions
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:58 PM
Nov 2012

and inaccuracies, that it is pretty much impossible to separate fact from fiction. This is actually a fairly important issue that was reduced to nothing more than an emotional game of tennis because the "news" outlet that reported on it didn't do their homework.

At this point, I don't think any of us can really comment objectively about it because the stupid article wasn't objective or factual.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
39. What's controversial? If she's old enough to die of leukemia, she's old enough to have medicine...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:41 AM
Nov 2012

....to help her deal with it.

"But, but...They're giving dope to kids!"

And sometimes doctors shoot up little kids with smack, too. You know, morphine. Is one worse than the other?

Really?

They're both drugs and, in this case, used to treat medical conditions/situations.

PB

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
43. For heaven's sake
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:45 AM
Nov 2012

Can people let doctors and their patients make their medical decisions and butt out? If it helps the little girl to "eat and sleep", two things that one needs to overcome a serious medical condition, then it's medical treatment.

Anyone trying to go on a crusade about this because it just happens to be marijuana is advocating withholding medical treatment from a sick child. It is no different than advocating withholding chemotherapy, antibiotics or any other doctor prescribed treatment that improves the health and quality of life of the patient.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
57. It would make my son eat and sleep. Should I give it to him?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:07 PM
Nov 2012

He doesn't have leukemia, but neither does this little girl, at least not right now and hopefully never again.

This story sounds more to me like the scores of children with suspect ADD diagnoses who are left on ritalin because the behavioral effects are desirable to the parents.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
60. We are talking about a child that has just undergone
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:18 PM
Nov 2012

a serious illness. Chemotherapy ravages the body, and weakens the immune system along with preventing the person from gaining weight. This isn't a healthy little girl just because she is in remission. She likely desperately needs to put on weight so that one minor infection doesn't completely knock her down to the point of no return.

Comparing a child recovering from Leukemia to a "suspect ADD diagnosis" is about as useful as comparing the ramifications of an amputated leg to those of an ingrown toenail. It's not just in the same ballpark, it's not in the same city.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
83. Wow.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
Nov 2012

That's disgusting. Using not only this child's illness but your own child's health as wise crack fodder....

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
45. She's taking in much worse stuff than marijuana
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:46 AM
Nov 2012

if she's in chemo she's taking in stuff soo soo so so much worse than that. And yeah she needs it, but I think let her mom and her doctors decide about the marijuana, not a bunch of armchair doctors who don't know ths family. If it's helping her get through such a horrible situation, and whatever doctor she's seeing is not freaking out about it, I don't know why anyone else should freak out about it.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
55. Sure, Let The Child Suffer
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:04 PM
Nov 2012

a Deadly Disease and the Deadly Side Effects/Consequences of Pharma because of chronological age..
Typical GOP Position---God Forbid A Child Safe Access To A Safe and Efficacious Phytomedicine

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
66. Photo of patient with mom and mom's boyfriend.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:57 PM
Nov 2012

Mykayla Comstock, 7, stands with her mom, Erin Purchase, and her mom’s boyfriend, Brandon Krenzler. Purchase and Krenzler administer cannabis to Mykayla daily to treat her leukemia and chemotherapy symptoms. Beth Nakamura/The Oregonian

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2012/11/mykayla_comstock_1.html
 

Dems50State

(147 posts)
78. I know lets take the medical marijuana away from the child and give her
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
Nov 2012

the pill created by the drug industry instead that does the same as marijuana and let her take that a long with a pill to help her from throwing up. Oh lets throw in another people in case she needs something else to. Forget the Marijuana lets get this girl pills from the drug industry!

sigmasix

(794 posts)
100. Marinol=joke
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:05 AM
Nov 2012

Marinol (synthetic THC "equivalent&quot works for very few people and it is 10x more expensive than MM. I've been told that the canabanoids included with the THC in Medical Marijuana are also involved in the creation of the desired effect (munchies, happiness, muscle relaxation, reduced anxiety, sleep), and I'm willing to believe it after doing some experiments on myself. Marinol just put me in a bad mood and increased my anxiety level.
Some Cancer fighters like myself do continue to take chemotherapy after the tumors go away. Newer chemotherapies are being developed every day that keep certain types of cancer "at bay" if you will. I suffer from a rare form of intestinal tissue cancer that was 100% fatal until 2000. Luekemia researchers introduced a chemotherapy for certain types of leukemia that also worked well at shrinking GIST tumors. The problem with this form of treatment is that eventually the cancerous cells mutate and become immune, which is what happened to me last year. Now I take another chemotherapy called Nexavar ($14,000.00 a month) and it is showing signs of working! The damage caused by cancer and the chemo doesnt just go away when the disease is in remission- Sometimes sufferers dont get thier appetites back after stopping chemo. I was 360 pounds when I was diagnosed in 2003, I weigh 145 pounds now and I'm lucky to hold a PB&J with a poached egg down. Sometimes the fight goes on for years and years and years. The notion that Medical Marijuana should be of concern is laughable; I take 2 30MG extended release morphine tablets a day as well as 4 administrations of .6 ML of tincture of Opium (with food). I also have a prescription for dilautid and xanax. My driving privledges are intact as well- because I'm not "high", I'm appropriately medicated.

nachosgrande

(66 posts)
79. Nothing against medicinal marijuana, but this makes me uncomfortable...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:47 PM
Nov 2012

Full disclosure - I had childhood cancer and received chemotherapy/radiation that made me feel so nauseous and wasted that I believed I was on death's door. I was given Marinol, which is synthetic THC, as an anti-emitic and it definitely helped stave off the nausea and increased my appetite. I remember being sick as a dog in the hospital, gobbling some Marinol pills and then within a couple of hours playing a little league baseball game (albeit, slightly stoned...lol). Point being - I have nothing against the use of THC for medical purposes.

Having said that, the parents "faith" in marijuana seems to spill over into the realm of zealousness. And the article implies that the parents are basically keeping her stoned 24/7 by administering two doses a day. I can definitely see an argument for that during the induction phase of treatment, since the chemo is more intense, but it seems like she's in the maintenance phase at this point, and I would assume (based on my own experience) that the side effects of treatment have been greatly reduced. And you have to wonder if a 7 year old being perpetually stoned might not somehow delay their cognitive development.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
82. Mykayla says the drug helps her “eat and sleep” and makes her feel “funny, happy.”
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nov 2012

And what the hell is wrong with that??

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
87. Oh noes! A buzz!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:50 PM
Nov 2012

She feels good!

What the hell?

And this coming from those who ingest handfuls of Oxy, Hydro, Chantix, Wellbutrin, Abbilify, Zoloft, Xanax, Vicodin.....because they're all fine and good with "legal" buzzes. As long as someone else defines "good" and "bad" for them, they have it ALL figured out

Or from those who love their wine/scotch/miller lite buzz.

Or from those who take NOTHING, NOTHING I TELL YOU because "I can handle pain and depression without a thing to help and SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE! Get off my lawn little seven-year-old leukemia patient!

Heaven FORBID someone who might also be depressed about losing hair, fearful about death, living a disrupted life due to hospitalization and chemo, might want to FEEL HAPPY.

What a goddamned sin that this kid wants happiness...because you know, my sister's nephews cousin's preacher's wife took meth and ruined her life....this kid should be forced to face her reality at seven, and cry every day.

We can't have happiness....it's DANGEROUS












 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
90. Why don't 7-year olds on Abilify or Resperidol or Ritalin cause the same amount of controversy?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:32 PM
Nov 2012

Kids as young as 7 are now being treated for "bipolar" disorder with powerful psychotropics when these drugs have not been shown to work at all in children and when their long term effects are unknown.

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