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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:40 AM Nov 2012

Enough Already! If we had decent Pay and Fair Wages, maybe the unemployment rate would go down

If you know some idiots who keep trying to blame Obama for the unemployment problem... Send them this article... The problem is that the wages are not keeping up with the dollars needed to get by today. If we raised the minimum wage, other, more skilled jobs would start paying more in order to stay competitive and more relevant...

Then that rate might start to really go down...

Ceo pay, and grotesque earnings, are causing too many dollars to flow to the top and not enough dollars going to the bedrock of the companies, their employees.

Jobs are there, they just aren't paying enough to get people to work.

Great article here:

www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/magazine/skills-dont-pay-the-bills.html?hp

From the article:

Eric Isbister, the C.E.O. of GenMet, a metal-fabricating manufacturer outside Milwaukee, told me that he would hire as many skilled workers as show up at his door. Last year, he received 1,051 applications and found only 25 people who were qualified. He hired all of them, but soon had to fire 15. Part of Isbister's pickiness, he says, comes from an avoidance of workers with experience in a "union-type job." Isbister, after all, doesn't abide by strict work rules and $30-an-hour salaries. At GenMet, the starting pay is $10 an hour. Those with an associate degree can make $15, which can rise to $18 an hour after several years of good performance. From what I understand, a new shift manager at a nearby McDonald's can earn around $14 an hour.

The secret behind this skills gap is that it's not a skills gap at all. I spoke to several other factory managers who also confessed that they had a hard time recruiting in-demand workers for $10-an-hour jobs. "It's hard not to break out laughing," says Mark Price, a labor economist at the Keystone Research Center, referring to manufacturers complaining about the shortage of skilled workers. "If there's a skill shortage, there has to be rises in wages," he says. "It's basic economics." After all, according to supply and demand, a shortage of workers with valuable skills should push wages up. Yet according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of skilled jobs has fallen and so have their wages.

In a recent study, the Boston Consulting Group noted that, outside a few small cities that rely on the oil industry, there weren't many places where manufacturing wages were going up and employers still couldn't find enough workers. "Trying to hire high-skilled workers at rock-bottom rates," the Boston Group study asserted, "is not a skills gap." The study's conclusion, however, was scarier. Many skilled workers have simply chosen to apply their skills elsewhere rather than work for less, and few young people choose to invest in training for jobs that pay fast-food wages. As a result, the United States may soon have a hard time competing in the global economy. The average age of a highly skilled factory worker in the U.S. is now 56. "That's average," says Hal Sirkin, the lead author of the study. "That means there's a lot who are in their 60s. They're going to retire soon." And there are not enough trainees in the pipeline, he said, to replace them.

One result, Sirkin suggests, is that the fake skills gap is threatening to create a real skills gap. Goldenberg, who has taught for more than 20 years, is already seeing it up close. Few of his top students want to work in factories for current wages

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Enough Already! If we had decent Pay and Fair Wages, maybe the unemployment rate would go down (Original Post) trailmonkee Nov 2012 OP
Dollars don't 'flow' to the top. Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #1

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
1. Dollars don't 'flow' to the top.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:54 AM
Nov 2012

Nothing falls upward.

You make some interesting and debatable points but I can't get past that line about money flowing upward. It doesn't flow.

It is stolen from the value of the workers' labor. It is inherently exploitative. It is not natural, or inevitable, or sustainable this way.

Until we frame it differently, we will never even be able to conceive of what changes are possible to our economic system.

We have to stop using the language of the ruling class, and start using the language of ourselves, the workers.

They are stealing our wealth. We aren't asking them to share theirs. We just want the value of our work.

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