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Wow! Fetterman doesn't hold back * (Original Post) Oopsie Daisy Apr 20 OP
That's his reputation. He cares about regular people, not corporations. lindysalsagal Apr 20 #1
Yes, he has no time for performative politicians and empty virtue signaling * Oopsie Daisy Apr 20 #2
He makes me want to move to PA Tickle Apr 20 #13
How individual members voted on H.R. 8034 (Israel), H.R. 8035 (Ukraine), H.R. 8036 (Indo-Pacific): sop Apr 20 #3
Good info. Thanks! Oopsie Daisy Apr 20 #4
I worry about Fetterman becoming the new Manchin. DJ Synikus Makisimus Apr 20 #5
Fetterman is not an ego case. No need to worry. He's the 1 lindysalsagal Apr 20 #7
What is a "centrist progressive"? Beastly Boy Apr 20 #11
Yep. That it is. paleotn Apr 21 #26
That's Ridiculous. TY Sen Fetterman!! Cha Apr 20 #16
Leaders who actually Get Things Done to Help Americans!! Cha Apr 20 #17
"Centrist progressives?" "Center-left DSA?" mcar Apr 21 #22
I know, right? 🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Apr 21 #24
Just absurd mcar Apr 21 #25
I'm a liberal democrat and I don't support Hamas. Irish_Dem Apr 20 #6
I'm a liberal Democrat and I don't support... Think. Again. Apr 20 #8
War is hell Irish_Dem Apr 20 #9
War is avoidable. Think. Again. Apr 20 #10
War is inevitable, but rational actors should be held to the laws of war Bucky Apr 20 #12
Well said. paleotn Apr 21 #28
Just ask Vlad Putin, Adolf Hitler, ..... paleotn Apr 21 #27
The hellishness can and should be minimized Silent3 Apr 21 #21
He is helping keep Pennsylvania blue JI7 Apr 20 #14
I agree with him. nt LexVegas Apr 20 #15
Yep .. Look at the Votes. Cha Apr 20 #18
How lucky we are to have John Fetterman in our midst question everything Apr 20 #19
If there was a stand alone bill for military aid Israel, I'd want it defeated Martin Eden Apr 21 #20
"Lunatic fringe" BannonsLiver Apr 21 #23
Fetterman doing the "both sides" thing now. returnee Apr 21 #29
I liked that he recognizes the folks who think Gaza is the worlds biggest problem are out of touch. BannonsLiver Apr 21 #30
+1 betsuni Apr 21 #33
I'm not thrilled to have to say this DFW Apr 21 #35
It doesn't concern me at all. It's good to see Fetterman telling-it-like-it-is * Oopsie Daisy Apr 21 #31
Fetterman's "lunatic fringe" is sticking with what Pelosi suggested 3 weeks ago muriel_volestrangler Apr 21 #32
K&R betsuni Apr 21 #34

Oopsie Daisy

(2,737 posts)
2. Yes, he has no time for performative politicians and empty virtue signaling *
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:56 PM
Apr 20

* for fundraising purposes or to intentionally undermine the Biden agenda.

5. I worry about Fetterman becoming the new Manchin.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 05:25 PM
Apr 20

Bashing the Democrats' centrist progressives and center-left DSA seems to be his new schtick. Not voting for credits redeemable by Israel at approved U.S. weapons manufacturers, owned by U.S. oligarchs, isn't voting against the people of Israel. Israel is a wealthy industrialized nation with a sophisticated weapons manufacturing sector ("defense" industry) of its own. Its government is currently despicable. The folks calling for a no vote are worried about Israel causing more CIVILIAN casualties, which passed 32,000 in Gaza today according to several sources.

Just to be clear, I don't take sides in blood feuds, especially not those that have been ongoing for 2000-3000 years. There are no political actors in this war that I'd wish to be associated with - on either side. The leadership elite of both political entities see hostility toward the other as a major key to their keeping power. They sound like MAGA GOPs magnified exponentially. I see no resolution, none of the people with power interested in peace, and only more bloodshed now and in the future. Therefore there's no one to support. People suffer when their leaders make them war. I DO, however, support food deliveries and reconstruction, which the Biden Administration got a boost in today, as the World Food Organization is going to return to Gaza. Most (all?) NGOs (including the WFO) stopped performing in this function when Israel hit the World Central Kitchen (Chef José Andrés' group) convoy, if you recall.

One article about the WFO returning to Gaza is at:
https://www.voanews.com/a/7577943.html

Think. Again.

(8,630 posts)
8. I'm a liberal Democrat and I don't support...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 05:57 PM
Apr 20

...either side killing or maiming or disrupting the peaceful lives of innocent civilians.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
12. War is inevitable, but rational actors should be held to the laws of war
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 09:01 PM
Apr 20

I agree with the premise that Hamas fighters should be killed on sight. I just don't think it's okay to bomb your way through thousands of innocent Palestinians to get there. Starvation and indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets are war crimes and people who direct these policies should be prosecuted.

Silent3

(15,423 posts)
21. The hellishness can and should be minimized
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:53 AM
Apr 21

Israel should do better than, "At least we're not as evil as Hamas, and besides, they started it!"

question everything

(47,556 posts)
19. How lucky we are to have John Fetterman in our midst
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 11:09 PM
Apr 20

A giant - literally and figuratively - who stands by his convictions.

Martin Eden

(12,881 posts)
20. If there was a stand alone bill for military aid Israel, I'd want it defeated
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:37 AM
Apr 21

But paired with military aid desperately needed in Ukraine, the only choice is to pass it.

returnee

(51 posts)
29. Fetterman doing the "both sides" thing now.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:39 PM
Apr 21

There is no “lunatic fringe” of the Democratic Party as far as I can see. Full-fledged Socialists and people opposed to war crimes in Gaza are not “lunatic fringe.” This is highly concerning talk. (Disclosure: I contributed to his campaign. He is showing somewhat different colors now.)

BannonsLiver

(16,539 posts)
30. I liked that he recognizes the folks who think Gaza is the worlds biggest problem are out of touch.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:45 PM
Apr 21

I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. I think alleged progressives who shout “Genocide Joe” are lunatic fringe.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,737 posts)
31. It doesn't concern me at all. It's good to see Fetterman telling-it-like-it-is *
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:49 PM
Apr 21
>> This is highly concerning talk.
* and holding up a mirror and calling-out certain behaviors with blunt and honest truth.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,401 posts)
32. Fetterman's "lunatic fringe" is sticking with what Pelosi suggested 3 weeks ago
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:57 PM
Apr 21
More than three dozen congressional Democrats – including representative Nancy Pelosi, the former House speaker and a key Joe Biden ally – signed a letter to the president and the secretary of state Antony Blinken, urging a halt to weapons transfers to Israel.

“In light of the recent strike against aid workers and the ever-worsening humanitarian crisis, we believe it is unjustifiable to approve these weapons transfers,” the letter said. It was signed by Pelosi and 36 other Democrats including Representatives Barbara Lee, Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Friday’s letter also calls on the US to withhold future arms transfers pending a US investigation into the airstrike on the World Central Kitchen humanitarian workers or if Israel “fails to sufficiently mitigate harm to innocent civilians in Gaza”. A spokesperson for Pelosi later said the congresswoman was encouraged at early steps Biden’s administration had taken to investigate the strike on the WCK staffers “and respects his judgment on how to proceed”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/05/biden-israel-gaza-aid

Pelosi may have decided that aid has improved enough, or the Iran attack is enough, to reverse her position, but it's hardly "lunatic" to say Israel has not yet done enough.
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