A friendly reminder: only 15% of Biden supporters said Israel is NOT committing genocide against Palestinian civilians

[Celerity]

in a fairly recent YouGov poll.

H/T to DUer TheProle:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18857428

Q: Do you think that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinian civilians?

Biden Supporters:

57% Yes
15% No
27% Not Sure

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[Elessar Zappa]

1. The truth isn't determined by a poll.

Biden and America are Israel’s ally and will remain that way.

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3. There definitely is a point where Bibi can overplay his hand and that support will be cut down IF he chooses to go there

If Netanyahu and his RW base of loons and goons take a truly crazed turn, support for an out of control Israel is not a US electoral politcal suicide pact.

There is a line. Hopefully we never get to it.

[uponit7771]

6. The Chef tells the truth about Bobos actions in Gaza more than a poll

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2. proof that if you say something often and loud

people will believe it. factually it doesn't matter if it is true or not. Trump is the past master of this.

The correct question to have asked "Do you agree with the Netanyahu government strategy in fighting Hamas?"

almost 100 percent of Democrats would answer NO.

technically no one is committing genocide right now... However, I do believe that Israel has committed war crimes ( especially bombing a WFC relief convoy even AFTER the WFC got permission from the IDF, there was simply no excuse for that ).

I do think that Bibi's government and certain military commanders in the IDF wish to starve the Gaza Palestinians to get them to move to another country in the region. But a desire to commit genocide is not the same as committing genocide.

Bibi and MBS and the leadership in Iran, N. Korea, various terrorist in the region and, most especially, Russia hope for a Trump victory in November and are committed to various degrees to make this happen. Or at least get the USA to become isolationist.

Israel must have elections and throw Bibi out and then prosecute him. Hamas must be destroyed, and there must be a pathway to peace and a 2 contiguous state solution for the Palestinians, including the return of land stolen from them. In return they must accept the state of Israel and agree to live next to Israel in peace.

[PCIntern]

4. I would submit that the Oxford Dictionary definition of the word "genocide"

should be included with the poll question.

Definition of genocide noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary genocide noun /ˈdʒenəsaɪd/ /ˈdʒenəsaɪd/ [uncountable, countable] the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group

I would further submit that this word does not apply in this instance. But then again, I'm not running a propaganda service.

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7. Netanyahu's & American Right Wing Christians' Explicit Biblical Calls For Genocide

related:

Christian Right Cites Violent Biblical Amalek Trope to Justify Israel’s Tactics

Many Christian Zionists are backing genocide by likening Hamas to a biblical tribe that God promised to exterminate.

Published October 22, 2023

https://truthout.org/articles/christian-right-cites-violent-biblical-amalek-trope-to-justify-israels-tactics/



As the world witnesses Israeli leaders deploying genocidal language and attacks against Palestinians in Gaza, much of the global Christian right is mobilizing its base in unilateral support for Israel. Many forefront Christian Zionist organizations are preaching a decades-old trope likening Hamas to “Amalek,” an archetypal enemy tribe of the biblical Israelites whom God promised to exterminate in order to bring Israelites “peace.” This is not the first time that right-wing religious groups across the globe have invoked Amalek against those they oppose. For centuries, Christian leaders have used Amalekite language to justify genocide, including against Native Americans and against Tutsis in Rwanda.

Right-wing Jewish groups have also employed the Amalek trope. Baruch Goldstein massacred 29 Palestinian worshippers in the Tomb of the Patriarchs in 1994, likely influenced by Amalekite language employed by the far right Kahane movement of which he was a part. (Israel’s current minister of national security, Itamar Ben-Gvir, is also associated with this movement, which has largely dissipated but is still technically outlawed in Israel as a terrorist group.) Now many on the Christian right, and some Jews as well, are continuing the tradition of employing Amalek language to justify genocidal tactics, this time employed by the Israeli state against 2 million Gazans, about half of whom are children.

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Several Christian Zionist groups, such as the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem (ICEJ), Capitol Hill Prayer Partners (CHPP) and Reformation Prayer Network (RPN) are directly citing biblical passages to overlay the biblical story onto the current reality. The ICEJ — one of the largest global Christian Zionist organizations boasting organizational representation in 95 countries and a following spanning 170 countries — sent its supporters an email on October 14 claiming, “This attack is without a doubt rooted in the demonic realm as a manifestation of the Spirit of Amalek.” It referenced the Samuel 30:3 Bible verse that describes how in response, the Israelites “burned [the Amalekites’ city] with fire; and their wives, and their sons, and their daughters, were taken captives.” It’s a passage that echoes Israel’s current “collective punishment” strategy against Gaza’s civilians.

Numerous U.S. congressional leaders have echoed similar calls for annihilation, mirroring their right-wing counterparts in Israel. Sen. Lindsey Graham tweeted a clip in which he states: “We’re in a religious war…. Do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself. Level the place.” Meanwhile, Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley — referring to Hamas — issued a call to “eliminate them.” At least publicly, these leaders are calling for complete destruction of Hamas. Yet when congressmembers like Marjorie Taylor Greene equate anyone in solidarity with Palestine with being pro-Hamas, and when the Israeli government cuts off water, electricity and gas to Gaza’s civilians, the lines between eliminating Hamas and eliminating all of Gaza are blurred. In an email on October 8, the ICEJ employs Amalek rhetoric to distract from Israel’s ongoing brutal repression in Gaza, saying:

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[BannonsLiver]

5. This should be somewhat demoralizing to Biden critics on the left.

[Ping Tung]

8. The revulsion at the slaughter of civilians is growing among progressives.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/05/biden-israel-gaza-aid

Nancy Pelosi joins House Democrats in urging Biden to halt arms to Israel

Bernie Sanders ramps up pressure on White House: ‘My view is no more military aid to Israel when children [there] are starving’
Ramon Antonio Vargas and Chris Stein in Washington
Fri 5 Apr 2024 21.49 EDT
First published on Fri 5 Apr 2024 11.07 EDT

More than three dozen congressional Democrats – including representative Nancy Pelosi, the former House speaker and a key Joe Biden ally – signed a letter to the president and the secretary of state Antony Blinken, urging a halt to weapons transfers to Israel.

“In light of the recent strike against aid workers and the ever-worsening humanitarian crisis, we believe it is unjustifiable to approve these weapons transfers,” the letter said. It was signed by Pelosi and 36 other Democrats including Representatives Barbara Lee, Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Friday’s letter also calls on the US to withhold future arms transfers pending a US investigation into the airstrike on the World Central Kitchen humanitarian workers or if Israel “fails to sufficiently mitigate harm to innocent civilians in Gaza”. A spokesperson for Pelosi later said the congresswoman was encouraged at early steps Biden’s administration had taken to investigate the strike on the WCK staffers “and respects his judgment on how to proceed”.

Nonetheless, on Thursday, hours after Biden told Israel to take concrete steps to protect civilians and aid workers in Gaza or risk losing military support from the US, top senators belonging to the president’s Democratic party had also ramped up pressure on the White House to go further.