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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is beyond sick. Kristi Noem shot and killed the family's 14-month puppy because it couldn't be trained
as a hunting dog.
"South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) is facing a firestorm of criticism for boasting in her new book that she shot and killed her family's 14-month old puppy because it was less than worthless
as a hunting dog.
On Friday, the Guardian reported the incident that Noem recalled in her book "No Going Back: The Truth on Whats Wrong with Politics and How We Move America Forward," published as her name is being bandied about as a possible Donald Trump 2024 running mate.
In the book, the Republican lawmaker wrote about trying to train the dog, Cricket, to hunt with other dogs. Instead, the puppy went out of her mind with excitement, chasing all those birds and having the time of her life."
https://www.rawstory.com/noem-dog/
She is a piece of garbage, just like the racist, sexist, bigoted party she belongs to.
blm
(113,129 posts)peppertree
(21,711 posts)She even looks like her.
cab67
(3,010 posts)The SD governor does not.
Traildogbob
(8,870 posts)Like Sarah singing, In the arm of an Angel sitting on the roof with his dog, tears running down his face.
peppertree
(21,711 posts)I for one hope he does pick her.
The wry jokes and political cartoons will just write themselves.
TheBlackAdder
(28,242 posts)LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,242 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,201 posts)brooklynite
(94,911 posts)(1) Abandon, to give up with the intent of never again regaining one's interests in, or rights to, an animal other than placing ownership with a responsible party;
(2) Animal, any mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, or fish, except humans;
(3) Board, the South Dakota Animal Industry Board;
(4) Cruelty, to intentionally, willfully, and maliciously inflict gross physical abuse on an animal that causes prolonged pain, that causes serious physical injury, or that results in the death of the animal;
(5) Dangerous animal, any animal that, by itself or by environmental circumstances, at the determination of the board, any agent or officer of a humane society, or any law enforcement officer, is a threat to the physical well-being of other owned animals or humans;
(6) Humane killing, to cause the death of an animal in a manner to limit the pain or suffering of the animal as much as reasonably possible under the circumstances;
(7) Impound, to take physical control and custody of an animal;
(8) Livestock, any agricultural or commercial animal owned, bred, or raised for profit, but not including dogs, cats, rabbits, or other household pets;
(9) Mistreat, to cause or permit the continuation of unjustifiable physical pain or suffering of an animal;
(10) Neglect, to fail to provide food, water, protection from the elements, adequate sanitation, adequate facilities, or care generally considered to be standard and accepted for an animal's health and well-being consistent with the species, breed, physical condition, and type of animal;
(11) Proper enclosure, a secure confinement in an enclosed or locked facility suitable to prevent a dangerous animal from escaping and to prevent any physical threat to the well-being of any other animal or human.
40-1-2.3. Neglect, abandonment, or mistreatment of animal--Misdemeanor
No person owning or responsible for the care of an animal may neglect, abandon, or mistreat the animal. A violation of this section is a Class 1 misdemeanor.
40-1-2.4. Cruelty to animals--Felony
No person may subject an animal to cruelty. A violation of this section is a Class 6 felony.
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/sd-cruelty-consolidated-cruelty-statutes#s9_29
Baitball Blogger
(46,775 posts)With any luck, it's in the statute of limitations.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)my opinion, it's an actionable felony.
woodsprite
(11,940 posts)Cruelty is mistreatment and inflicting pain over a period of time. They have a part in there about humane killing. Im betting thats what shed say she did - totally disregarding Cricket was a happy, healthy pup
Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)dchill
(38,594 posts)What happens to a Republican next?
Elessar Zappa
(14,120 posts)What an utter piece of shit. Is she up for re-election anytime soon?
peppertree
(21,711 posts)There's no way Cheeto will pick Kristi Moan now - because as much as he hates dogs too, he knows most people love them.
Even Republicans.
niyad
(113,776 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 26, 2024, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)
a damn what anybody thinks, unless it is something about HIM. Considering how much he hates women, I really cannot see him choosing one as his vp pick, but, if he did, I would say this murdering creature just moved to the top of the list.
peppertree
(21,711 posts)I for one hope he does pick Cruella deNoem.
She'd be slaughtered like that poor dog (politically).
Dorian Gray
(13,517 posts)He doesn't care what people think about Noem. But he does care if people are angry at her and it could affect how people think about him if he chooses her as a running mate.
His people have thrown her under the bus earlier. Leaks about her affair with Corey Lewandowski came from his camp, I believe. It was an attempt to get her "in line."
Ocelot II
(115,947 posts)to train her, or hire someone who could, or find a more appropriate home for her; instead, she coldly discarded a healthy, sentient creature as if she were nothing more than a malfunctioning machine. And then she actually bragged about it instead of being ashamed, as she should have been; she thought it would add to her MAGA creds as being someone who had the "courage" to do something difficult and unpleasant because it "had to be done." Except that it didn't have to be done. It was just easier for her; she never considered the dog to be a thinking, feeling being, just something to be thrown away for not functioning the way she wanted and causing inconvenience. We normal people consider euthanizing a beloved pet who has become old or sick an incredibly painful experience that is reluctantly done out of mercy, and find the idea of killing a healthy young dog just for not responding to (probably incompetent) training absolutely appalling. But Noem thinks it's a sign of strength. There's a special place in Hell...
Freethinker65
(10,090 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,863 posts)You know as well as I do. With republicans, it's about the cruelty.
NanaCat
(1,429 posts)The alpha personality is not synonymous with cruel or sadistic. The negative aspects of it can result in that, but it is not endemic to the type. Sort of like how you can have people who are in the medical field, and most of them aren't sadists. Some of them can be, because no group is bereft of bad actors. But it's not a defining feature of the group in general.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)and she brags about it?
tells you a whole lot about this person.
peppertree
(21,711 posts)You could torture a dog - and at most it would be a misdemeanor and a fine.
Growing up in Mississippi, I recall one such kid. No one could do a thing about it; I think he later committed suicide.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)Piece of shit is dead
peppertree
(21,711 posts)Mean, rotten drunk - and of course, a very far-right bigot and Republican.
The kind of whom it wouldn't have surprised me to see him among the Jan.6 assailants (but he's probably dead too).
The kid might've turned out different with a decent father; had a sadness in his eyes.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)A mean alcoholic raped me too but I never took it out on animals. You have to make a choice to kill your empathy at some point to hurt animals or you are born without it.
Abuse does not create abusers that is called the vampire myth.
The fact his empathy was fucked up makes me glad there is 1 less sociopath on this planet.
As for his family left behind that cared about him its sad indeed.
peppertree
(21,711 posts)I'm in awe of you for being such a well-rounded and good-hearted person.
God bless you, and All the Best.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)Maybe he would have turned out different and I wish he wasnt born to such awful parents.
But somewhere his empathy got gone and he chose to torture animals.
I cant pretend that is justifiable.
I am glad he is gone because no more innocent animals or people will suffer at his hands. To me the fact he is unable to make others suffer is the good side effect of a terrible tragedy.
Like when my abusive father died I was glad I would not be hurt anymore by him. And I wish he died sooner maybe I would have had a chance to turn out differently.
sheshe2
(84,005 posts)'I hated that dog': Kristi Noem recalls gunning down family's 'worthless' pup
She then recounts how she killed one of her family's goats, a nasty and mean" male that had not been castrated, by dragging him to the gravel pit, and afterward she realized a nearby construction crew had watched her slaughter both animals before her children were dropped off by a school bus.
Pure evil. She killed a nasty and mean goat the same day before her children were dropped off by the school bus.
yardwork
(61,748 posts)Something is seriously wrong with her.
sheshe2
(84,005 posts)I was shocked at how gleefully/proudly she related the story. She makes me sick.
70sEraVet
(3,533 posts)https://www.rawstory.com/kristi-noem-dog/
She then goes on her OWN killing spree!
(same article)
I wonder how many people she gleefully sent to be executed in her time as Governor?
Dan
(3,585 posts)About the dog killing chickens, then it was considered normal for that dog to be killed where I live. Dogs killing chickens - that was totally unacceptable especially in small towns and farming communities.
Some context should have been given - reference the killing of the dog.
My grandparents lived in the country. Everyone there had a dog, and my grand-da always had at least one hunting dog. Funny, nobody's dog ever ate chickens. Not even once. Know why?
Proper training. When you have well-trained dogs in the hinterlands, your livestock is safe.
This evil psychopath was too lazy and stupid to train the dog right.
Full stop.
In our town, there were dogs that killed chickens, it happens.
Some dogs cant be broken of the habit once acquired - even tho the method of wrapping a dead chicken around the dogs neck and letting it rot would sometimes work.
Nothing is 100%, and some dogs kill chickens.
womanofthehills
(8,801 posts)Ive unfortunately lost a few chickens - but my dogs still sleep on my bed.
NickB79
(19,283 posts)Grew up on a farm, and currently hobby farm, raising chickens primarily.
I'm on a few Facebook pages dedicated to backyard chickens, and every single week there's a post by someone who's lost birds or even a whole flock to either their own dog, or a neighbor's unrestrained dog.
That's no excuse for Noem, because she had the option to rehome the dog, though.
I've seen some pretty shitty things defended here on DU, but this one takes the cake.
edisdead
(1,961 posts)Only that it happens and yes it does happen in the country.
I used to spend some time in south western wisconsin and had a dog that would love to run down to where the cows were if he got put and although the farmer never shot him, he did fire his shotgun once trying to scare off my dog. It happens.
I was terrified that he was going to get shot because I had been warned it would/could happen.
kcr
(15,321 posts)that some context should have been given. That reads an awful lot like a defense to me. Just because some psychopathic behavior may be common in shithole areas of the country doesn't make the behavior less shitty.
Shooting off warning shots to scare is completely different from dragging a helpless animal to a gravel pit and actually shooting them. Taking that poor puppy to the vet to be put down would have at least been humane. Instead, she chose the violent, psychopathic route and traumatized her children.
Polybius
(15,518 posts)Which I why I always read what the defense says before coming to an opinion. With that said, I don't support putting dogs down for killing chickens. Only if they bite people with the intent to kill would I be in favor of putting them down. Hell, Biden didn't even have his dog Commander put down, and he bit 24 people.
Update: Apparently her dog apparently did bite her, although that's not enough imo to shoot the dog.
NickB79
(19,283 posts)Three good-sized dogs got into the pasture, and had ripped a chunk out of one of our dairy cows by the time my dad and I heard the commotion and got out there in the truck. I hit one of them in the hip with my .22, it went down, and the other two ran off. It was still alive though, so I had to shoot it again, and then my dad went driving around knocking on neighbor's doors. No one admitted that it was their dog, because doing so would mean they'd have to pay the vet bill to sew up the cow's leg. So we had to eat the cost to get her patched up.
It wasn't something I was ever proud of doing, nor something I would publish in a memoir of my life. But those cattle put food on the table. It was an unspoken rule out in the country: if your dog attacked livestock, don't expect to see it again.
LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)According to Defenders of Wildlife only 2% of loss of cattle is due to wolves (in areas where they are not killed), while about 14% are lost to feral dogs. I would trust what they say because they have a program that reimburses farmers for lost livestock if they participate in a DOW program for non-lethal deterrents.
I haven't lived in a rural area, but have driven through visiting friends, family, or just passing through, but I would say the feral dog problem is largely due to lack of proper care for pets. Many dogs are just left to run loose, aren't properly fed or cared for, and not spayed/neutered. One place in rural MO that I travelled through fairly regularly for a short time, I observed a feral pack that was feeding on a rotting cow over a period of weeks.
But I also believe there is a big gap between people who do things like you did because it was necessary and those that think it is an easy way to handle "problem" animals, like this governor did (and as folks have said, probably a problem of her own making). Of course, she might be exaggerating because she wants to look tough to the nutjobs.
70sEraVet
(3,533 posts)progressoid
(50,011 posts)I'm told it was a problem dog and was known to bite people - including 6 year old me.
yardwork
(61,748 posts)There's something really off about the way she describes it. I wouldn't even be surprised if she made up the part about the chickens. Her reason for killing the dog was that it didn't readily hunt pheasants. It sounded like poor/zero training to me, followed by a temper tantrum on her part.
Also, she shot the goat because it was not neutered and "mean." Well, neuter the goat.
Reading the whole passage this does not sound like a farmer who knows what she's doing. It sounds like a wannabe "farmer" who doesn't have a clue what she's doing, and when the animals she'd collected didn't magically train themselves she took delight in shooting them.
We all know the type.
Dan
(3,585 posts)I was just responding to the Post.
And Yes, I agree with you - there are people like that.
leftieNanner
(15,190 posts)And both that dog (purebred, I'm sure) and the goat could have found other homes. And neuter the damned goat for heaven's sakes!
This does sound to me like the dog was not suitable for hunting, but that doesn't mean, with the proper training, she could have been a family pet.
Sick to take an animal out and shoot it.
BlueKota
(1,858 posts)away from livestock? Or at least taken to a shelter. No the bitch just got her kicks out of shooting something. Sorry I am getting so mad, but I see red when someone kills a dog unless it's necessary to save a human it's attacking or another pet, or it's an act of mercy euthanasia.
Dan
(3,585 posts)Back in the day (over fifty plus years ago, closer to sixty , we didnt hear or see a lot of stuff about ASPCA???, where they talk about taking in pets, etc.
In a small town, giving the dog(s) away with that particular problem was just transferring it to another location. Maybe dogs were smarter then cause they could always find their way home - but relocation was not an answer. Maybe some did relocate to where there were not chickens, but what happened after, dont really know. Maybe the problem with the dog was just chickens, but who would know and then again there was the chance that the problem might manifest itself against something else.
I just dont know, hope that answers your question to the best of my ability.
BlueKota
(1,858 posts)there weren't as many shelters, and I thank you for that. In the present there are alternatives, and she should have sought them out, instead of just giving in to her hatred and shooting it.
Heck there are even pilots who volunteer their time and fuel to fly dogs and cats to places where they can be trained by professionals and re-homed.
ecstatic
(32,780 posts)And leave her unattended around chickens? The entire incident (if it even occurred) was her fault!
Dan
(3,585 posts)But unfortunately you are asking the wrong person (smiling).
On edit: Thinking, Im not a rich person but I suspect that part of the rational (if you can call it that) is the prestige of owning a dog (suspect it might have been a pedigree dog). Having always owned or been around mutts, I am thinking that pure breeds require more training and might be more high-strung. Someone that has owned those types of dogs might be better able to answer.
It was a puppy and all puppies have to be trained - and if the dog was a bird dog (or retriever of some type) they would naturally be attracted to birds, and without some training just wouldnt know how to react, but the attraction would be there.
The dog in some ways was just being a dog.
MFM008
(19,827 posts)Humanely putting an animal down?
Glad she didn't feel that way about her own kids.......
niyad
(113,776 posts)did not stop the dog?
blm
(113,129 posts)BlueKota
(1,858 posts)including serial killers start with torturing and killing domestic animals.
https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/first-they-tortured-animals-then-they-turned-to-humans
MustLoveBeagles
(11,673 posts)dflprincess
(28,091 posts)she couldn't put up with that.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,673 posts)a sick woman, shooting her puppy?????? She needs to be fined for killing a defenseless animal.
benfranklin1776
(6,457 posts)Moreover, she took both animals to a PUBLIC area, and she shot them dead in full view of witnesses and then, in typical Trumpian fashion, I.e. taking zero responsibility for the harms they cause to other people or the environment, left their bodies to rot, thereby causing public harm. She is puerile scum, and if the statute of limitations hasnt run she ought to be prosecuted. 🤬
magicarpet
(14,202 posts).... or the highway to heaven.
(a bullet between the eyes... do not undermine my authority, or the result will be your death by my hand/gun.)
- Kristi Noem -
The hallmark of a Fascist.
dlk
(11,597 posts)They can do anything. This is who she is.
Torchlight
(3,400 posts)"We're responsible hunters and never waste anything we kill for fun, see?
Regardless, I kind think she's less than worthless
as a governor.
Wild blueberry
(6,674 posts)She admits it. In public.
niyad
(113,776 posts)CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)And not too bright, either, since there are tons of republican & maga dog lovers, too.
Fla Dem
(23,845 posts)I suppose to her it was no different than killing a deer or other wild animal.
dchill
(38,594 posts)Can't have that! The woman is insane, and shouldn't be in any public office - or public place, for that matter. Nobody's telling tales out of school, here - she's tooting her own horn. What the hell is wrong with South Dakota?
Jerry2144
(2,126 posts)This book is a set of examples showing exactly what is wrong with America. Its people like her who believe and do the things she believes and does
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)Should never reward sociopath behavior and ban sociopaths from all public office and make someone with a felony or multiple convictions cannot run for public office. If they cant vote they cant be trusted to be a congressperson or president
LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)get elected. I was disappointed when one was release when Obama was running. I wasn't watching ads in 2020 (mind made up and we stream). Did Biden have a firearm moment?
Farmer-Rick
(10,226 posts)They start abusing animals, then move on to humans. Even TN recognizes this and passed laws against it.
I bet her children have some horror stories.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)the guy scared me - he was cold.
peppertree
(21,711 posts)The dog was, well, rowdy - and one day he had a fit and beat it to death; you could hear the yelps - and we saw him put it in a black bag in the trash.
We called the cops, but he played it cool - and since he was a white, middle-class Repug, they took him at his word. No searches.
On his license plates: NEED GOD.
Did he ever.
(I think his wife divorced him shortly afterward)
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,794 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)notice that their eyes look similar to me-both dead and cold.
Blue Owl
(50,547 posts)Fade into oblivion, you demented monster
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,926 posts)that didn't care about hunting, and the goat couldn't have been neutered?
Lifeafter70
(210 posts)Who had been left in the shelter because she killed a chicken and was " unable to be trained for their ranch" they wrote a long list of things wrong with her. Snootchie was a beautiful Britney-austrailan mix. She was the most loving dog with all who met her. She played with cats and other dogs. Her one fault was she loved to chase squirrels and birds. We lost her in 2016 still miss her.
Edited to add: In all the years we had the pleasure of her in our lives, she never caught or killed another animal or bite a child or an adult.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,926 posts)MissB
(15,813 posts)I have had Aussies (a blue Merle and a red Merle) and now have a Brittany. Hes an adorable dog but honestly not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He does love everyone and is a fabulous cuddle bug. I imagine the combo of the two breeds is amazing!
NoMoreRepugs
(9,500 posts)ms liberty
(8,620 posts)I now have the ambition to personally kick her in the face, while wearing heels.
zeusdogmom
(999 posts)The poor pup just didnt want to retrieve anything. So the goofy lab puppy became the most wonderful - and spoiled - house dog ever.
The original owner didnt shoot or abandon the animal. He found a home more suited to the dog. Everyone was happy especially the dog. While his litter mates were freezing their tails in a cold duck blind, he was sitting on a cushy couch in a warm house
Kristi Noem is an awful person - and not just because she shot her dog. There is a special place in hell for her
miyazaki
(2,256 posts)The smiles he still brings all these decades later, as with all the others.
If I can't be reunited with my pups in whatever afterlife there may be the universe can get fucked.
zeusdogmom
(999 posts)I only hope I get to go there, too. There are days/moments when that destination is highly questionable 😄
German shorthair pointers are awesome dogs. Zeus (current dog) used to run and play with one. Both dogs had so much energy to burn off. So much energy
Do you currently have a dog?
miyazaki
(2,256 posts)But when the time is right I'll welcome it.
LT Barclay
(2,613 posts)zeusdogmom
(999 posts)Might be a little off theologically . ☺️.
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,996 posts)Miss Family Values laid down with a dog- Corey Lewdanowski- and came up with fleas.
I hope that POS Trump chooses her for his VP running mate and they get their asses kicked at the ballot box in November.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Our three best dogs were all acquired at about a year. The three worst were acquired as puppies (still loved but each one had their issues).
I can't imagine killing a young dog with no major medical issues. What cretin does this?
niyad
(113,776 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,443 posts)What a SF audition for VP.
cilla4progress
(24,791 posts)for tsf veep, now! 🙄
lostnfound
(16,195 posts)Botany
(70,635 posts)She is really ill. Noem =
catbyte
(34,514 posts)She's a fucking psychopath.
DFW
(54,477 posts)If you have an uncontrollable urge to kill SOMETHING, it might as well be a domesticated animal that presents no danger to you, and thus will sit still while you pull the trigger.
Not quite the kind of person I'd want a heartbeat from the Presidency, though. Just saying...............
Botany
(70,635 posts)Sturgis Rally 2020 no masks, no social distancing, and take the virus back to your home state with you.
gets arrested and soon.
Loryn
(945 posts)..Goat
..Country
..Democrat
..Man
..Woman
..Child
PortTack
(32,819 posts)BoRaGard
(163 posts)It is so unAmerican.
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)so they're just profiling
BlueKota
(1,858 posts)I don't have a magnet for her but the semi-feral kitty who lives in my shed is one too.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,192 posts)Cats are seen as un-American. Cat hating is also tied closely with misogyny and anti-intellectualism.
Republicans usually like dogs because they insist on being in control, and most dogs obey them. Cats don't play that game, and that enrages many of them, especially the males.
Probably in her quest to appear "not girly" and thus retain power and fit in with the toxic-masculinity culture of her rural state, Noem has embraced the cruelty and violence traditionally associated with males. She was enraged that she couldn't control this particular dog. So she shot it. She's a fucking monster.
(I am a huge cat person, but I like animals in general and think dogs and all pets deserve loving homes and good care.)
Jedi Guy
(3,283 posts)I'm frankly more than a little skeptical of all three claims here.
Sky Jewels
(7,192 posts)https://thewhyaxis.substack.com/p/why-conservatives-dont-like-cats
https://aninjusticemag.com/the-sexist-reason-so-many-people-hate-cats-835a85ecfacb
https://www.hercampus.com/school/vcu/is-the-hatred-of-cats-rooted-in-misogyny/
https://www.pedestrian.tv/sex-dating/red-flags-men-who-dont-like-cats-misogyny/
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/studies-show-cat-people-are-smarter-than-dog-people.html#:~:text=The%20study%20looked%20for%20personality,higher%20on%20intelligence%20over%20all.
https://www.iflscience.com/cat-people-are-more-intelligent-but-dog-lovers-have-their-positives-too-67592
https://docs.lib.purdue.edu/dissertations/AAI1469848/
Jedi Guy
(3,283 posts)The first article from WhyAxis, in the second paragraph, linked to a study in which the abstract states outright, emphasis mine:
So there's that. In the same abstract, a "negative evaluation" of cats doesn't necessarily equate to hatred.
The second article requires a signup, which I'm not interested in doing, but it looks an awful lot like an opinion piece. The third article states outright that it is an opinion piece. The fourth article is also an opinion piece.
The fifth and sixth articles are about cat lovers being smarter than dog lovers, which does nothing to prove dog lovers "hate" cats or that disliking cats is somehow evidence of dark or sinister personality traits.
The final article's abstract states that dogs tend to be favored by "mainstream American culture", which isn't the same thing as saying cats are un-American.
TL;DR: I think I'll hold on to my skepticism of those three claims.
niyad
(113,776 posts)always told women to avoid men who hate cats (not talking allergic, that is different), because they generally also hate strong, smart, independent women. Most of the women I know have observed the same thing. So, not scientifically up to your standards I would guess, but lots of personal experience.
BlueKota
(1,858 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)Cats are sweet affectionate sensual and they live by consent. They can survive
In general (not well)without an owner ,And they dont suffer the bullshit from assholes. They have claws and will use them.They can detect who is a shitty person and a threat.
Sociopaths narcissists and republicans hate cats and cats reject them back.
Sociopaths and narcissists cant make a cat an extension of themself thats why they hate cats. Cats have a mind of thier own and do not submit to anyone unless trust and consent are there. That requires a relationship of equal partners. Sociopaths and narcissists are incapable of an equal relationship built on trust and consent so they hate cats.
Brenda
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I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)Paladin
(28,281 posts)Now and forever more.
sop
(10,284 posts)kimbutgar
(21,240 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 26, 2024, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)
Kristi Noem is a puppy killer! Showing a picture of an adorable puppy!
If she doesnt care about her puppy will shecare about you? The ads are writing themselves. And if the orange maggot picks her as VP again say he picked a puppy killer run nationally! The person next in line to the president is a puppy killer!!!!!!!
North Shore Chicago
(3,340 posts)Not enough adjectives and verbs for this story, so I will just say, GO STRAIGHT TO HELL, and take the orange anus with you.
Danmel
(4,933 posts)What a sick woman. Poor pup.
CloudWatcher
(1,851 posts)One of tsf's most prominent traits is his total lack of empathy. This Noem tale is pretty damning evidence that she has none as well .
How likely is it that she considers liberals to be "less than worthless" too? Does anyone believe that she wouldn't be just fine with rounding us up and sending us to the gravel pit?
I used to wonder how Hitler could have risen to power in Germany when he was so clearly insane. But I'm sorry to say there's no mystery left. That this sick fuck has already risen to governor should give us all chills.
DontBelieveEastisEas
(517 posts)The way that Trump can get so many votes after all he has done, and the way he gets such emotional support has shown me how.
Throw in some untimely inflation, or credit crisis, and a suspect person gets elected.
The first time with Trump, it was due to his persona as a celebrity executive.
The allure of a businessman for a leader instead of a politician.
So, there are multiple ways to get one elected. And even when they are somewhat known, like Trump is, their charisma and populist type propaganda can get them across the line when given a little help from unfortunate fate.
There does not seem to be a way to make democracy a sure thing.
There does not seem to be a way to make peace or kindness a sure thing.
I agree, there's no mystery left!
0rganism
(23,984 posts)This will lead to some interesting vulnerabilities if she lands on the R ticket
Nac Mac Feegle
(972 posts)This is an admission of incompetence and laziness, both physical and intellectual.
The dog wasn't introduced to birds correctly; it must be done gradually and in a controlled manner. Especially with a puppy, which 14 months still is.
Instead of killing a dog she had failed to train correctly, it could have been rehomed to a competent trainer / handler or to a non-hunting or chicken-keeping situation.
She was too incompetent to train it correctly and too lazy to properly remedy the problem she had created.
Republicans: the cruelty is the point.
NanaCat
(1,429 posts)90% of the time, a badly-behaved dog is the result of bad ownership. The other 10% of the time, there's something wrong with the dog's ability to learn a task, or they may have inborn emotional/aggression issues (same as people). Outside of those rare occasions, the onus is on the owner for doing a lousy job training the dog.
yardwork
(61,748 posts)I don't know anything about her background, but I would guess that she has the animals around as props. She doesn't know what she's doing. Running a farm is difficult, both physically and mentally. It requires skills. Certain politicians like to pretend that they're farmers but they don't have a clue.
It never ends well when people take on this kind of responsibility without knowing what they're doing. Usually animals die of neglect but it sounds like she lost her temper and went on a killing spree.
Not a person who should be in charge of anything.
JanMichael
(24,898 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(10,041 posts)You are using the definition pretty loosely here. I vote "sub-human".
GoCubsGo
(32,099 posts)Ol' Kristi fits right in with that crowd.
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)Shelters exist. Plenty of people would like to adopt a puppy as a pet if it doesn't want to hunt.
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,996 posts)I am 100 percent certain they hate his fucking ass, also.
Animals can sense when a person is evil.
Bettie
(16,140 posts)and sometimes a dog isn't suited to the task.
What he does is find a good home for that dog to be a pet. I also know a family who has one of his "fails"...that dog is so sweet and so loved.
But, she certainly shows her devotion to the death cult.
patphil
(6,239 posts)That woman could have just given the dog away to a family that wanted a pet. But instead she showed how cruel and brutal she could be. And then she bragged about it in her book?
The truth on what's wrong with politics is that evil people, like Kristi Noem, keep getting elected to positions of power in government.
How we move America forward is by voting these evil people out of office.
It's very simple, and doesn't take a book to say it.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)TeamProg
(6,328 posts)NanaCat
(1,429 posts)But I never, ever wish harm on them. Even I know that her goofy, exuberant dog would have made a wonderful pet for plenty of dog-lovers, especially for a family with school-age kids.
She was just too stupid and psychopathic to have comprehended how other people would have loved to have that dog.
ETA: Anecdotal, but my experience has been that people who have 'uncontrollable' dogs are the problem with why the dogs misbehave, at least 90% of the time. They don't take seriously the very real commitment one must make to have a well-behaved dog, and never mind one that you want to perform a specific task on a regular basis. The behaviours require constant and consistent reinforcement, even at home away from their 'task,' like say, hunting.
Too many dog buyers don't understand that they must become lifelong pack leaders, and not really friends to their dogs, when push comes to shove. Friendly, yes, even loving. But, ultimately, every dog owner must be the leader, and behave accordingly, even when it's difficult.
UpInArms
(51,289 posts)One was on purpose
acquired from a reputable breeder at 9 weeks (put a deposit on her prior to the breeding
long story for some other day)
. She is the most laid back always loved and trained early girl with no knots in her rope
Two was a rescue
a very large and aggressive Aussie who was some really nice peoples pandemic puppy
restricted to a duplex with no yard in the city
he became angry and threaded the family
2 1/2 years later, he still has barking at every car that drives by, but is becoming a very well adjusted loving giant
Three was thrown out like trash on a country highway
ended up on my road and my neighbor called me and said your dog is out and you need to go get it, to which I replied
. No
all my dogs are home
. needless to say, she is mine and just about the sweetest girl in the world
a little needy, but
oh well
Dogs are a work in progress
when they have not had their needs met, it takes a lot of love and patience
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)A Dalmatian named Mikey.
I trained him well despite him being biologically kinda hyper.
My asshole father put him on a chain by the doghouse when I was in school and I was mad about that and told my mom .My mom didnt like that either so she made him figure out how to make him a better dog run if he is going to be outside for the day.
So he rigged a grid of wires over the whole lawn about 10 foot high up from the ground.
Through a series of taut laundry pole wire ,pulleys and couplers and stuff.
Mikey had the free run of our entire yard and his leash never got tangled because of the placements of the wire system overhead. It was really cool actually.
Upthevibe
(8,101 posts)No words.............
colorado_ufo
(5,742 posts)It is the word, hate. She is a woman capable of hating. This is a scary person.
moonshinegnomie
(2,501 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,673 posts)The dog clearly wasn't cut out for farm life. Cricket could easily have been rehomed. There was no reason to kill her.
Sugarcoated
(7,736 posts)That's gonna stick.
Bayard
(22,204 posts)Give the dog to someone who would love and appreciate a playful, happy pup.
kwijybo
(240 posts)Old redneck type, and probably a better hunter than anyone you've met. The only time he ever talked about killing a dog was if it kept running deer. (my description: beagles will sometimes lose their mind and run deer, trying to bring them back around, not minding the command to come back, or anything, trending farther away, until the deer dies or they get lost and die, or both. Sounds horrid to do to them, but he never had to. If the dogs wouldn't listen to him, they would mind me.)
He had dogs he couldn't train in his life. They wouldn't want to leave to hunt (too socialized; not independent enough), they were stupid, and so on. They made great pets.
The description, out of her mind with excitement, chasing all those birds and having the time of her life.", tells me she didn't know how to treat a dog or train one. You don't put them away like a tool, only taking them out when you need them (that's what they'll do). They need to be run and trained during the off season so they know what to expect, what to do, and so on.
It tells you everything you need to know about her: she's a complete and utter ass, as well as a fucking idiot.
Until I read that, and started writing this, I never realized how much I learned from him by taking care of his dogs, and going with him when he ran them. And how much I miss him.
yardwork
(61,748 posts)Not too many people like him anymore. We're really losing touch with the earth.
BComplex
(8,082 posts)That incident of killing a puppy, along with the antiabortion issue, would certainly move a few voters to turn out who had given up on Iowa.
niyad
(113,776 posts)BComplex
(8,082 posts)Solly Mack
(90,798 posts)She admits to a dog and a goat. What isn't she admitting to?
Sick fuck.
niyad
(113,776 posts)Solly Mack
(90,798 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)beaglelover
(3,496 posts)No one will vote for a self confessed dog killer. Why not rehome the dog if it could not hunt to your liking? Because your a heartless *****. Sorry, but this story really makes me angry.
Aviation Pro
(12,224 posts)But this piece of shit deserves to be treated like a man in this case.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)Response to JohnSJ (Original post)
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llmart
(15,565 posts)May Cricket be reincarnated as a huge alpha male wolf and return the favor of removing this hateful woman from our planet, slowly and one bite at a time.
Ping Tung
(755 posts)taxidermist?
Progressive dog
(6,925 posts)She sure does sound like she'd get along with Trump. Both are proud to be psychopaths.
Vinca
(50,323 posts)rifle would misfire and knocking her fucking head off her fucking shoulders.
JCMach1
(27,585 posts)Puppys are a bipartisan line you don't cross.
GreenWave
(6,797 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,269 posts)Disgusting. There is no bottom with these deplorables.
Sky Jewels
(7,192 posts)How do you come back from something like this?
People like her get caught up in a bubble of cruelty. They think everyone else thinks like them -- that they'll admire the lording power over people and animals and the getting off on inflicting suffering and the worshipping guns and violence. They think it's a sign of strength, when really it's a sign of depravity.
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Shes not trying to win over normal people.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)But how much RAGE does it take to kill a dog rather than take it to a rescue? Psychopaths like her are waisting the Earth's atmosphere.
Midnight Writer
(21,835 posts)He was going to take him out and shoot him and I took the little guy myself.
I had him for 15 years and he was the most devoted friend I ever had.
I know a lot of farm folk who see animals the same as tools. They have a purpose, and if they don't serve that purpose, you get rid of them.
Liberal In Texas
(13,609 posts)I guess she's a good fit for the guy who hates dogs.
They both need to be put on a garbage scow and marooned on some desolate island.
Jimvanhise
(304 posts)Some Noem supporters are trying to claim this story is being blown up and is a hit piece. Someone said this under a report by Forbes. It's a hit piece all right, a hit piece she did on herself! Tom Hartman talked about the story just a few minutes ago. It is getting bigger. I wrote to Amazon to inform them about what they are selling as the book (to be published in May) is on pre-order there but should be cancelled, not just by Amazon but by the publisher, and the editor who approved it should be fired.
yardwork
(61,748 posts)Most people - Republicans and Democrats alike - like dogs. She literally brags about shooting a puppy.
Even those who grew up in the country know there is something weird and wrong with her actions, especially her bragging about it.
Harker
(14,069 posts)That's a selling point to her intended audience.
Sky Jewels
(7,192 posts)But even a lot of those nuts will think puppy murder goes too far.
Harker
(14,069 posts)JoseBalow
(2,564 posts)I wish her the worst, in every possible way.
She is a garbage 'person'
JustAnotherGen
(32,001 posts)There are no bad dogs. Doesn't exist.
She should never be allowed to live with a dog again.
GenThePerservering
(1,855 posts)but this story sounds like a lot of made-up nonsense for her MAGA followers and to lick Trump's ass.
But yes, she doesn't deserve a dog in any case.
Initech
(100,129 posts)anglesphere
(64 posts)BlueKota
(1,858 posts)Psychopath
unblock
(52,440 posts)in any event, should we the people think someone who can't even train a dog would be a good choice as a potential replacement to run the entire country?
aside from the obvious heartlessness and why couldn't she give the pup to someone better equipped to handle it, a good leader should be able to do better with a dog.
if her response to a dog that isn't exactly what she wants is to kill it, i can't imagine she treats humans well.
ismnotwasm
(42,022 posts)Fucking disgusting
slightlv
(2,866 posts)is only proof positive of a bad trainer and/or owner. This goes way beyond that. A puppy and a goat all in the same morning. She must have been feeling her red wheaties that morning... and in front of her kids. If I'd been one of those kids, I'd have reported her to the authorities and then turned myself in for foster care (if not just plain run away). I mean, if she can be that cruel to animals, what in the hell is she like to those kids? She killed their puppy in front of them. She savaged a goat in front of them. If nothing else, she is absolutely showing a psychopathic personality. I wouldn't trust her with any living thing -- especially neither kids nor animals. And with her doing this, it's only one step away from murder, psychologically speaking.
This woman needs to be put down, herself. She's a menace and danger to society. Gods, if I'd been anywhere near, I'd either have ended up dead or bashing her head in when she raised the gun to the dog. You can't train the dog? Give it to someone who'll love it as a pet. You don't just kill what you don't like. I can't handle this. I've rescued too many animals in my lifetime. I'm living now with an enormous dog that no one wanted... month after month she'd be adopted out, only to be brought back in and left at the pound. Is she a handful? Gods, yes... especially with her at 100 lbs+ and me at 90 lbs soaking wet. And both me and hubs in our late 60's and mid 70's. She needs the exuberance of kids, which my grandkids will provide at times. It's almost cruel, I think, to keep her with us old people. But she was almost given up on at the shelter. People gave up on her. We're working with her, day by day. And I found her a "friend" who is nearly as large as she is, and just as exuberant, to have playdates with. That's working with the situation. You just don't kill a living being because they're inconvenient or you personally don't like the animal.
I guess it's too much to hope that karma comes for her in the same way Noem went for the pup. There is nothing worse, in my book, as someone who tortures or kills an innocent creature. May the wrath of all the gods, especially the Old Gods, rain down on them. Wishing Cthulhu on her isn't enough, in my mind. Gee... sorry... can you tell how upset this has me?
niyad
(113,776 posts)I scared my poor kitty, and possibly two of my neighbirs, when I first read the OP. Then I went looking for my poppet material.
slightlv
(2,866 posts)I'll admit I called on Hecate, who has been making Herself known for a while now...
niyad
(113,776 posts)Liberal In Texas
(13,609 posts)she decides he isn't quite up for the job - especially with his declining mental abilities. I think he is going to choose a VP running mate who is loyal BUT also one he can control and won't go off the reservation and challenge him.
usaf-vet
(6,232 posts)Although being cruel for the enjoyment of it would put her in synchrony with 45, the master of cruel being cruel for the enjoyment of it.
sop
(10,284 posts)Renew Deal
(81,894 posts)oasis
(49,455 posts)"Death panels"
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)and as a person in general.
Cha
(297,935 posts)red dog 1
(27,903 posts)She didn't have to do that.
She could have tried to find a home for the pup, or brought it to her local animal shelter.
She is beyond evil.
Sanity Claws
(21,863 posts)The dog was a wire-haired pointer, a purebred. There are rescue groups for purebred dogs. Surely she could have least tried to rehome the dog through a rescue group. She is not poor and could have done something to locate such a group or find some other way to rehome the dog.
Harker
(14,069 posts)and winks.
Loathsome person.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)Is what she is. Sociopath scum tend to help other sociopaths what they really want is to eliminate law and order and abuse people and animals with no repercussions.
Emrys
(7,287 posts)But this ...
Lucky Luciano
(11,267 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,803 posts)appropriate in the puppy shooting pride she seems to relish in (and making rape victims carry babies to term). F' her. It's all about the cruelty for Magat land, and by direct association, the entire GOP.
LudwigPastorius
(9,233 posts)with a large rawhide doggy bone.
GenThePerservering
(1,855 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,794 posts)ecstatic
(32,780 posts)If I recall correctly. Noem's actions are a lot worse.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,498 posts)Imagine one of her kids bringing home a bad report card.....
We can't imagine what would happen if her husband got caught cheating......
dai13sy
(344 posts)What should happen to her? I have some ideas that involve travel to some place horrible.
soldierant
(6,945 posts)She ran out of ammo nd had to go back to her car for more while the goat was writhing in agony.
https://www.wonkette.com/p/murderous-governor-kristi-noem-shot
Blue Owl
(50,547 posts)Response to Blue Owl (Reply #183)
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Mr. Mustard 2023
(119 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,492 posts)brooklynite
(94,911 posts)GoodRaisin
(8,933 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,794 posts)Layzeebeaver
(1,646 posts)Sterilize the animal and then let another family adopt it.
BigmanPigman
(51,649 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 27, 2024, 04:15 AM - Edit history (1)
than any that I can remember on DU.
The Dems should run story with this and never let it go. That vile bitch showed us where her heart is, or isn't.
Paladin
(28,281 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,673 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 27, 2024, 09:35 AM - Edit history (1)
Although there are more humane ways to euthanize a dog, it killed the neighbor's chickens. It went to each one and snapped their necks with one bite before going to the next one. The dog liked killing and it was just a matter of time before it bit a child.
It looks bad than Noem seemed to enjoy shooting it, and then there's the goat incident....
I'm not saying she did the right thing, but I wouldn't want a dog that likes the taste of blood. It's dangerous.
Don't put me in the Noem camp on this. She likely ruined the dog herself by teaching it to hunt and retrieve fowl.
EleanorR
(2,396 posts)She killed a squirrel, tasted blood. So she's likely to bite someone? Lawsuit waiting to happen? How worried should I be? Let me know your thoughts.
JohnnyRingo
(18,673 posts)If it just enjoys snapping the necks of chickens it probably had a failed trainer.
And tht is what I believe happened here. Noem tried to teach the dog to hunt and retrieve but just taught it to go for blood.
EleanorR
(2,396 posts)I don't have to shoot my dog. What a relief. So what should I do given she seems to like to go after squirrels?
Norbert
(6,043 posts)If she acts as a threat to said family member, I will act accordingly.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)Tim Reid
Reuters
... Noem ... describes killing an "untrainable" dog called Cricket which she "hated" ...
"If you want elected officials who don't brag about brutally killing their pets as part of their self-promotional book tour, then ... vote Democrat," the DNC said in a statement ...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/27/kristi-noem-kills-dog-farm/73481257007/