Michael Moore needs to shut up

[SocialDemocrat61]

I usually like Moore and agree with what he has to say. But this year the guy has really lost it.

First, he's been running around claiming that President Biden can end the war in Gaza with one phone call. That is complete BS and he knows it.

Now he is encouraging students to not only protest but to storm and take over buildings. That is incredibly irresponsible. I believe in non-violent, lawful protest. Telling students that they should break the law and violently storm privately owned buildings will have both short and long term consequences on their lives.

I'm starting to think that Moore is just getting old and desperately trying to stay relevant.

[betsuni]

1. Same as usual.

[David__77]

2. The US can stop sending weapons.

[SocialDemocrat61]

3. Not the topic I was posting about

I understand why students are protesting. My point is that Moore encouraging students to violently break the law is irresponsible on his part.

[Redleg]

7. Exactly

It is very irresponsible of Moore. Plus, his own educational opportunities and personal welfare aren't on the line as they are for the student protesters.

[elocs]

11. Well, these students are young and will have decades to regret their actions

when they were convinced they were so right and righteous.

[Redleg]

18. LOL

I tell my kids that middle-age is mainly about regret.

[elocs]

75. Well I'm 72 so you can only imagine the amount of regret I haul around.

The mistake we make with regret is assuming if we had done the opposite or differently, then everything would have turned out better when the reality might have been that it turned out much worse than it did.

[Happy Hoosier]

21. Moore is gonna get those kids hurt.

He is an asshole.

[Redleg]

6. It can but it isn't really up to the President

Since Congress allocates the funds, the President has some obligations to ensure that the administration carries it out. This was part of the reason why the Democratic controlled house impeached Trump the first time. He was using leverage to get the Ukranians to find and give dirt on the Bidens.

[AnrothElf]

91. Congress holds the nation's purse-strings, yup. And the President's job is in large part to spend it...

...how Congress says to spend it.

Trump was impeached for trying to corrupt those checks and balances.

[Redleg]

138. I did read that the President can suspend the shipments

if there is reason to believe that the weapons will be used in the commission of a war crime.

[BannonsLiver]

9. Is it reflexive at this point?

No matter what the context?

[stopdiggin]

15. One phone call? Clearly a false claim.

But one that, fittingly, trips easily from the mouth - of one that specializes in hype and inflammatory grandiosity.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

90. He's old enough to know better

I think.

[Traurigkeit]

127. The President has a hand in what The U.S. does. The President does not control 'other' countries internals.

no matter what the press or others think is true just never is in actual action.

[joshcryer]

25. Unfortnuately it's not that simple...

...if the US did that then Israel would (to them, rightly) eradicate Gaza once and for all and perhaps even start soe crap in the west bank. And no not killing everyone there they would just do forced relocation of Gazans (this has been seriously postulated as a solution). They are already doing it in Rafah.

[erodriguez]

51. The war would end pretty quickly after that.

[lees1975]

62. Do you think the house, in its present condition, could be talked into doing that?

I didn't think so.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

135. It'd take more than that

We'd have to stop sending weapons, and sending money. It won't happen for a wide variety of reasons. Too many people would have to agree.

[question everything]

4. And completely ignore the students who have been looking to graduation ceremonies

No, your desire to destroy does not supersede the hopes and aspirations of the majority.

[walkingman]

5. Everybody, including myself, is a "armchair POTUS".

[WhiteTara]

8. He should have been shut up about 25 years ago.

[Jilly_in_VA]

59. There is still

last I looked, a RIGHT to free speech in this country. You cannot just "shut up" anyone no matter how much you don't like what they are saying. This isn't Stalin's Russia or even Putin's.

[WhiteTara]

61. I didn't say anyone should shut him up

I said He should have shut up 25 years ago when he pimped Nadir.

[Jilly_in_VA]

64. Look at your header again

and then tell me different. You said "he should have been shut up". What does that signify to most people? If you'd said "he should have shut up" that would be a quite different thing.

[WhiteTara]

67. oops

[SocialDemocrat61]

73. Inciting people to commit crimes

is not protected speech under the 1st amendment, nor is lying.

[Voltaire2]

107. 'Should have been shut up'

The authoritarian mindset has become pervasive.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

115. I agree

Link to tweet

[GP6971]

125. That didn't take long.

[stopdiggin]

10. Michael Moore has been right on occasion ...

He has also been really off the beam on a lot of things too. And his track record, should never have allowed for the lionization that ensued (in some quarters). Never deserving ... Always been more the yappy dog - than any kind of steady hand or pillar ...

[BannonsLiver]

12. He wants Biden to lose

Trump in the WH is good for Michael Moore, Inc.

[Greybnk48]

13. The hideous mass genocide of thousands of Palestinian women and children

is hard for many to cope with emotionally.

[SocialDemocrat61]

16. True but not the point

The point is about Moore telling students to violently break the law which will have repercussions for them the rest of their lives.

[MichMan]

19. Like what happened to Bill Ayers, & Bernadine Dohrn, who set bombs at the US Capitol and Pentagon?

Not many repercussions for them as they later become highly ranked college professors.

[SocialDemocrat61]

22. So you're saying violence is ok?

[Celerity]

33. Moore argued people have the "right" to take over buildings as long as violence isn't involved, arguing union workers

have taken such actions in the past.

“You have to take over buildings. That is not violence,” he said, adding later, “I hope it continues. I applaud every student who has taken a stand at their campus, at graduation, whatever. This is the purpose of a democracy.”

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michael-moore-declares-you-have-to-take-over-buildings-during-campus-protests-if-you-havent-started-an-encampment-at-your-college-do-it/

[SocialDemocrat61]

46. Breaking and entering is violence

as well as breaking the law. Inciting people to break the law is not a protected right. Nor is entering and occupying a building owned by someone else.

If it was wrong for Trump to do it, it’s wrong for Moore.

[Cha]

70. So Don't Blame it on Pres Biden.. That's Assisting

Netanyahu who wants Biden GONE.

[RandiFan1290]

14. I LOVE Michael Moore!

He really gets under the skin of the right.

So effective

[SocialDemocrat61]

17. And he helped put George W Bush in the White House

He's not an ally.

[Oopsie Daisy]

37. I'd rather defeat "the right" rather than encourage voters to support third-party candidates *

* and/or dissuade them from voting completely. He's no friend of Democrats, that's for sure.

[betsuni]

80. Like saying the "old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is"

and "The old guard of the Democratic Party has to go" as if the Democratic Party consists entirely of old wealthy right-wing white men worse than Republicans and must be taken over and purged. Trump voters aren't racist, they're just sad because Democrats have ignored them and have no economic policies to help the working/middle classes and that's why "Democrats paved the way to Trump."

Imaginary evil enemy. Ridiculous.

[Sugarcoated]

65. The extremists on the left hurt Democrat's

election chances

[Oopsie Daisy]

68. True. But I believe that they know this and simply do not care. For people like Moore *

* the objective is to "punish" the Democrats for not being as pure as he views himself to be. Somehow, the only way to make Democrats "see the light" is to do and say things that sabotage and kneecap Democrats, and cause us to lose to the Republicans. People like Moore (and Turner, and Sarandon, etc.) are showboating and virtue signaling. They have others fooled. They really don't care about the issues they pretend to care about, otherwise, they would not so eagerly embrace the "nothingness" of a failing "all or nothing" philosophy -- and instead they'd see the value in incremental progress that is (surprise-surprise) actually progressive. For Moore and his like-minded minions find profit in the misery of others. When people are suffering the low-low-price of just $20-something per fundraising request (with the promise that "Only-I-can-make-things-better" and proclaiming that "Only-I-know-the-truth'') the actions that harm the Democratic party and which harm the most vulnerable among us, serves to line their pockets. Whether they're donating "in-solidarity" to Nina Turner, or buying cheesy DVD's that support and reinforce their own confirmation bias, this type of behavior only makes the grifters and gaslighters wealthy, but nothing to help anyone else. In the end, it suppresses voter turnout and makes it easier for the GOP to win.

[SocialDemocrat61]

72. They want to sit on their high horse

and pretend they are morally superior to everyone else to feed their egos. Plus their privilege protects them from any consequences when republicans win elections.

[Cha]

69. Michael Moore said that the only Rason Pres Obama will

be remembered is for being the first Black President

MM is a Racist Fool.

Michael Moore: 'Obama will be remembered as the first black president, and that's it'

https://abc7.com/michael-moore-obama-first-black-president-roger-and-me/303494/

[Oopsie Daisy]

100. What a racist thing for MM to say!! It's right up there with the "born in Kenya" birthers!

He's a millstone hanging on the neck of the Democratic party. He's a fucking joke... an embarrassing slob.

[betsuni]

111. And the ones who said Obama couldn't put together a sentence without reading from a teleprompter

because he was only a stupid celebrity. Then MM said the only way Democrats could win in 2020 was to run a beloved celebrity. Because we're all so stupid.

[Cha]

132. Yep well described.. TY!

[Bmoboy]

20. Just like a lot of others

Angry, disappointed, disillusioned, lied to, frustrated, and full of opinions.

Some opinions turn out to be wrong or premature.

Capitalism, the Health Industry, the NRA, and Bush/Cheney are worthy targets.

Encouraging violence is ill advised until you feel personally threatened.

[Dear_Prudence]

23. Do as I do...

Maybe he should chain himself to a building. He would not suffer professional setbacks like the students would and it would make the news. In point of fact, however, taking over buildings has been practiced for decades and I don't recall that it has been effective. Do effective actions, not stunts.

[Nanjeanne]

24. Love him. Keep talking Michael. Ideas should be heard. Thought should be provoked.

[SocialDemocrat61]

28. You approve of violence?

[Nanjeanne]

30. Good grief! Violence. No. First thing - the OP provided no link. OP said that MM encouraged

students to storm buildings and take over buildings. So as someone who “took over buildings” during my college years of protesting I’m not worried that MM encouraged that.

When I have a link to Moore saying “use violence” then I’ll be happy to say I Love Michael Moore and encourage him to keep talking and provoking - but I disagree with him about violence”. Until that time …

[Celerity]

34. He specifically said no violence.

[Nanjeanne]

36. Gee Shocker! Funny how somehow that was not and still isn't part of the conversation!

[Celerity]

39. I always do my due diligence with OPs that make claims but give no receipts to back them up.

[SocialDemocrat61]

38. Taking over buildings is violence

Regardless of how Moore wants to parse it.

[Celerity]

42. no, no it is not in many cases

Sit-down labour strikes for but one example.

[SocialDemocrat61]

43. It's Breaking and Entering

which is a violent crime.

[Celerity]

45. not if they had legal access to the building, they did not have to 'break in' at all

same for a sit-down labour strike by the legally employed workers

[SocialDemocrat61]

47. You're splitting hairs

Students storming a building is a crime.

[Celerity]

50. No, not splitting hairs. I'm putting paid to the premiss of your OP and subsequent attempts to push its faulty narrative

[SocialDemocrat61]

53. No, you're trying to deny the reality that

breaking and entering is a violent crime that Moore is inciting. If it was wrong for Trump to do it, it’s wrong for Moore to do as well.

[Celerity]

56. I can assure you I am not the one in denial. I also suspect that you did not post a link for your OP as that would

have opened up one of the central positings (Moore is pushing violence) of the OP to questioning and dispute, in terms of its validity.

[SocialDemocrat61]

57. Breaking and entering is an act of violence

Moore encouraging students to do so IS encouraging violence whether you want to admit it or not.

[Nixie]

128. Yes, and All of the buildings being taken over were all showing violent acts. It's not credible to

say that Moore meant something different. There is no way to take over a building other than to force others to move somewhere else against their will, at the very least.

[Big Blue Marble]

89. Explain further.

How would taking over a building be violent per se?

Assume no-one is injured and no significant physical damage done, just
the occupation of the building doesn't seem to be an act of violence to me.

It may cause disruption, and inconvenience, but that would be the point.
It may lead to arrest, but that is to be anticipated by the protestors?

But violent, I do not think so.

[SocialDemocrat61]

94. How is it not violence?

How is it done? Do the protesters just all politely walk in and take over? What about the staff and security, do they just nicely ask them to leave? What if the building is closed and locked? How do they get in? Magic?

Let’s not naively pretend that that taking over a building is not a violent act?

[Oopsie Daisy]

41. So much hair-splitting going on here, it looks like a beauty parlor's floor.

The very act of "taking over" a building IS violence.

[SocialDemocrat61]

44. Exactly

The Moore minons don’t like their dear leader being criticized.

[Celerity]

95. I am not a Moore minion. I defy you to find evidence in my 6 years here that remotely shows that. I just think your

OP is faulty, and the actual link (which you wilfully left out of your OP as it would have cut against your spin) shows your 'he is pushing violence' framing is a contrivance.

I am not even that big of a Moore fan, I am just often a bit wary when it comes to OPs like yours that make specific claims of a pejorative narure but offer no external documentation to buttress their attacks.

Your OP simply doesn't stand up to further scrutiny in terms of its projections.

I also think that your sinking into cheap personal attack mode via the use of ad hominem ('Moore minions') says more about you than the people your are trying to smear.

[SocialDemocrat61]

97. So defensive

Must have struck a nerve. But please continue. You’re proving my point for me.

[Celerity]

98. Not defensive at all, just pointing out your petty little slur attempts are as invalid as your OP spin was.

[betsuni]

99. Pettifog!

[SocialDemocrat61]

103. Thanks again for proving my point

Please proceed

[Oopsie Daisy]

134. It's probably not to dig that hole any deeper.

[yonder]

48. Sounds a bit red-herringish especially after tasking other posters to stay on point. -nt

[SocialDemocrat61]

49. The point is that Moore is inciting

students to violently break the law.

[Voltaire2]

109. Occupying a building isn't violence.

Were lunch counter sit ins violence?

[SocialDemocrat61]

114. No it's not

Getting into the building in order to occupy it is violence. As well as breaking the law.

[Voltaire2]

121. Civil disobedience requires law breaking.

That’s the disobedience part.

[SocialDemocrat61]

122. And he's inciting people to break the law

Same as Trump did. It’s hypocrisy to condemn one and not the other.

[stopdiggin]

129. problem is - many of Michael's 'thoughts' - are really pretty crap

and rather harmful.

( Not sure if anyone, even the great MM - should be allowed a free pass on the places where he's actually kind of screwed the Democrats, and the country .. ? )

[Nanjeanne]

133. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And that's great. Yours is yours. We disagree. But they are still

just opinions.

[Freethinker65]

26. Democratic politician's responses to Michael Moore's latest rants are more important than what Moore says

When Moore is thought to be correct in his assessment and comments, go ahead and support the assessment and comments. When Moore is off base, or being too simplistic, or you think he is just plain wrong, if asked about his comments, explain why you disagree.

Moore doesn't speak for the Democratic Party, he speaks for Michael Moore. He is entitled to his opinions.

[SocialDemocrat61]

29. Inciting people to violence and breaking the law

is not just a difference of opinion. It’s immoral. And not protected by the 1st amendment. Unless you think that the January 6th case against Trump is wrong and all charges dropped.

[Freethinker65]

32. I assume Michael Moore is willing to face any consequences for his public rants.

I also assume Democrats in office, or seeking office, will respond appropriately to Michael Moore's comments.

Does Michael Moore actually have an army of devoted college students? I mean, I really enjoyed his documentaries when in college many years ago, but I would not have been swayed to commit any act of violence by him.

[SocialDemocrat61]

35. Exactly how will he face any consequences?

It’s the students who will face the consequences.

If it’s wrong for Trump to incite violence, it’s wrong for Moore to as well.

[Freethinker65]

60. Agreed.

If students are actually committing crimes at Moore's request, Moore could/should be charged. I also really doubt there are many Michael Moore worshipping students, if any, willing to commit crimes specifically because Moore tells them to.

Michael Moore is a celebrity activist, known to say provocative things for media attention.

Trump was a political office holder of the highest degree, that supported the planning and funding of his "stop the steal rally" where he personally delivered a speech to his mob of worshippers encouraging an immediate March to the Capitol to disrupt the certification of a National election by any means necessary. There really is a difference between what Trump did and what Moore said.

[SocialDemocrat61]

63. Trump incited a specific act on a specific day

What Moore has said is much more nebulous. But either way they are both inciting violent crimes. I’m not going to blame one and forgive the other.

[Oopsie Daisy]

52. Indeed. The GOP, Trump, Qanon, Fox and other RW Maga-types have been arguing that *

* taking over the Capitol was simply an exercise of their First Amendment right. I do not fully understand why some extremists on the left (?) are now using the same language, talking points and rhetoric in their defense of Hamas and hatred of Jews.

[Oopsie Daisy]

27. Nothing has changed. He's still the bullying slob that he's always been.

It amazes me that he's so "popular" with a certain political element even though his rhetoric only serves to harm Democrats and dissuade people from supporting and voting for Democrats — and that, by its very nature, benefits Trump, the GOP, and Russia.

I'm glad he's not an actual Democratic politician. He's clearly not an ally considering his history of supporting "third party" candidates.

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. MM handing out really bad advice again. Taking over buildings is what the J6'ers did, and are now going to...

prison for. I hope these young folk are much smarter than MM. He's gonna get these young folk badly hurt or worse.

[NoRethugFriends]

54. there's a huge difference between taking over a building

And taking over a building violently as was done on January 6th. It's ridiculous and dishonest to conflate the two.

This is not to be taken as a defensive Michael Moore in general

[Tarheel_Dem]

66. I stand by every word. Please move along & have a great day.

[NoRethugFriends]

74. you don't get to order me to move along

[Tarheel_Dem]

137. Bye Felicia!

[NNadir]

40. People with state controlled internal organs (women) can...

...thank this "Bush is the same as Gore" ass for the medieval inquisitor Sam Alito being on the Supreme Court.

The best thing Moore can do for humanity is to crawl into a hole and not come out.

[JustAnotherGen]

55. "desperately trying to stay relevant"

[oasis]

58. I urge Michael Moore to "occupy"

the planet Uranus.

[MichMan]

71. What does the phrase "By Any Means Necessary" mean ?

I've seen some pro Palestinian protesters displaying signs with that slogan on it.

[stopdiggin]

130. pretty much what it means when in the mouth of others

It's a justification for violence and/or other forms of behavior and action, that would be considered highly unethical or criminal under 'normal' circumstances. So - "No limits", "No guardrails", "No moral scales" "The ends justifies the means."

A relatively hair raising bit of script when one pauses to dissect. Torture anyone? Bombing? Targeting family, civilians?
One really has to kind of hope that students and protesters haven't actual drunk this Kool-Aid ....

[Silent Type]

76. Though bashed mercilessly, He was damn sure right about 2016 election.

[SocialDemocrat61]

77. So what?

What does that have to do with this?

[Cha]

78. Mm was dead WRONG about

his Prediction that fucking Romney was going to win in 2012:

[Silent Type]

79. Folks should have listened in 2016.

[Cha]

81. And what did Mm do to help Hillary & Democracy

In 2016 while he was predicting the Sick 🤢 Fuck was going to win 🤢

[Silent Type]

83. Nothing. He tried to warn the Democrats who were opposing Clinton even after primaries

not to stay home or vote for trump. That group didn’t listen. So, here we are.

I’m fine with people hating/bashing Moore, I’m just tired of eating our own. YMMV.

[Cha]

84. Yeah they didn't "listen" Becaues

there was so much Hillary Hate.. I saw some tat Tweeted.. "The SC didn't matter"

Again Dead Wrong.

[anamnua]

118. I think, to be fair,

he was warning that TSF *could* win.

[betsuni]

87. And the reason was that Romney had more money. As if money's the most important thing. Doesn't work that way.

And of course insane horror-clown Trump who has no idea what's coming out of his mouth is an "evil genius."

[Cha]

88. Yes, MM said MR was going to WIN because he had More Money! Such

an Analyst! Lots of people LOSE who have More Money.. I an thinking of one in particular.. hmmm.. who shall not be named

And, yeah.. trump is an 'Evil Genius".. glad you're so impressed, MM.

TY!

[betsuni]

92. It's funny when they have more money but deny it and insist it's different anyway because "grassroots"

and when they lose make a big stink about elaborate rigging plots by evil establishment centrist enemies out to get them. Should stop doing that, it's silly.

[Cha]

93. lol@grassroots. and the

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opposition Always has "dark money" And, oh yeah.. the "rigging".. they lose it's that.. if they win then everything
is fine.

Whatever happened to Graceful losers so they can come back hold their heads High and Win the Next time!!

[betsuni]

96. If they win it's evidence that Americans (including Republican voters) are secretly socialists just waiting

for socialist progressive candidates to come along before they will vote for Democrats (blah blah blah economic anxiety Wall Street corrupt neoliberal elites conspiracy theories). It's old.

No more conspiracy theories!

[betsuni]

85. He was fundamentally wrong about why. Thought it was about economic anxiety and not racism, culture wars.

Blames Democrats for loss of manufacturing jobs because of NAFTA when he knows it began in the '70s and got really bad in the '80s (when he made his documentary about GM, "Roger & Me" ). That was well before NAFTA.

Believed myth that Democrats have no economic policies to help the working class and are corrupted by Wall Street. Working class was "abandoned by Democrats ... are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who will write a nice big check before they leave the room."

Believed myth that DNC rigs elections, Hillary was a huge warmonger and would immediately start a war.

On and on, wrong. It's a shame because when he sticks to facts and goes after Republicans he can be very good, like his TV show and documentary about the Bush administration.

[stopdiggin]

131. thank you. for actually bothering to lay a lot of that garbage

out there. I think people need to know (or remember) that Michael has been nattering on about a whole lot of BS - for years. Yeah, he occasionally gets one or two things right - or says something kind of witty or on point - but then so does my old Uncle Fud. And, believe me, nobody 'follows' Fud - or hangs on his every word.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[mcar]

82. He is seeking relevance

as he has had none for some time.

[Shellback Squid]

86. The original "karen"

I used to like him

[RandySF]

101. He's always with us when we're out of power then turns when we are in power.

[SocialDemocrat61]

102. Absolutely perfect statement

Describes him so well.

[betsuni]

104. When many on the Left immediately shifted from attacking the Bush administration

for being horrible and corrupt to attacking the Obama administration for imaginary sins I felt really stupid. I didn't know it's just show business. All that about morals and authenticity and righteousness and voting one's conscience and lesser of two evils is propaganda BS.

[RandySF]

108. I think some people try to make a fashion statement by voting Green or sitting out a specific election.

There's no excitement in holding onto power or protecting things like democracy that we take for granted.

[betsuni]

112. The Romance of the Revolution.

The Romance of the Rose (in honor of May):

Many a man has wept bitterly
Because dreams and visions are
But vain imaginings and lies,
But I believe that they may truthfully
Forecast the future.

Indeed. Don't vote for Democrats and see!

[MistakenLamb]

105. Michael Moore wanted Tom Hanks as President

that’s how serious you can take that loud mouth these days, he lost all his relevancy almost 20 years ago

[betsuni]

110. Or Oprah, Sully Sullenberger, Michelle Obama. It was the ONLY way Democrats could win.

He bought into the Republican bullshit that Obama only won because he was a celebrity, also ridiculously thought Obama ran as a populist.

Said the only thing Obama would be remembered for was being the first black president and that's it. Fuck health care that was a miracle and that 100% obstructionist Republicans held Congress for six years of his term they did during the Clinton administration. We're not supposed to know that because we're supposed to hate Democrats.

[quaker bill]

106. I have liked him generally, but he is saddling the wrong horse here.

My reading of the recent tea leaves suggests that a ceasefire and peace deal are very close in Gaza. The summer break is also at hand at about the same moment. Campuses will largely become the sleepy places they usually are in the summer and as the shooting stops, the desire to get arrested over it will decline.

What seems like a potentially dominant political issue today will fade into the background by November. This is almost always true in every cycle. There are always 'issues' in the winter / spring of a pending election year that the punditry think will be dominant drivers that fade to almost nothing by election day. Gaza has very little shelf life as a political issue once the shooting stops.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

113. I never considered Michael Moore to be credible

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

116. Do you think anyone really listens to him?

[SocialDemocrat61]

119. In this case

I hope not

[betsuni]

123. Of course they do, he's on TV a lot and claims to be a "progressive."

[elias7]

117. Yes, I agree that one phone call could stop the war

If he could convince Hamas to release hostages and stop lobbing bombs into Israel, Israel would stop bombing Gaza immediately. Just sayin’…

[SocialDemocrat61]

120. Not what Moore was saying

He was claiming that Biden could call Netanyahu and order him to stop the bombing.

[Traurigkeit]

126. "I'm starting to think that Moore is just getting old and desperately trying to stay relevant. " -- So true