Israeli protesters blocked aid trucks headed for Gaza, throwing the packages of food on the ground and destroying them.

[demmiblue]

Israeli protesters blocked aid trucks headed for Gaza, throwing the packages of food on the ground and destroying them. Palestinian civilians “are being starved and killed, and we are prevented from helping them,” a U.N. official said.

Link to tweet

[Bettie]

1. Someone will be along shortly

to tell us that these are the good guys and they are the most moral and decent people who ever have or will exist.

[Aussie105]

4. Some Israelis are a showing a concerning distinction between

Übermensch and Untermensch the world hasn't seen for a long time.

And a lot of people elsewhere are ok with that.

Not humanity's finest moment.

[JoseBalow]

35. Untermensch

Untermensch... is a German language word literally meaning 'underman', 'sub-man', or 'subhuman', that was extensively used by Germany's Nazi Party to refer to non-Aryan people they deemed as inferior. It was mainly used against "the masses from the East", that is Jews, Roma, and Slavs (mainly ethnic Poles, Belarusians, Czechs, Ukrainians, Serbs, and Russians).

The term was also applied to "Mischling" (persons of mixed "Aryan" and non-Aryan, such as Jewish, ancestry) and black people. Jewish, Slavic, and Romani people, along with the physically and mentally disabled, as well as homosexuals and political dissidents, and on rare instances, POWs from Western Allied armies, were to be exterminated in the Holocaust. According to the Generalplan Ost, the Slavic population of East-Central Europe was to be reduced in part through mass murder in the Holocaust for Lebensraum, with a significant amount expelled further east to Siberia and used as forced labour in the Reich. These concepts were an important part of the Nazi racial policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. Well, I've read the whole thread and so far no one is defending these asshats,

so you want to revise your statement.

I know I certainly don't defend this crap and neither does anyone else here.

[atreides1]

79. I have to disagree

If someone here were to defend this, wouldn't the post be taken down?

Just because no one is saying it out loud doesn't mean they aren't quietly defending "this crap"!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

85. So, IOW,

there is no one in this thread defending this crap.
You're making assumptions that there may be DUer's here who want to defend this without any evidence that's the case.
I doubt the post would have been taken down as long as it didn't violate the TOS.

[Mossfern]

91. Seems there some

mind readers here.

[Trueblue1968]

36. I think they are horrible people. Palestinian people are starving

And they are destroying food ???? Shame on them.

I feel sorry for all the kid east people who are involved in strife. Remember our old saying ...
Make love, not war. Too simplestic maybe but something gotta give !!!!!

I have lost sleep, gained 5 pounds stupid eating and crying rivers of tears over their war. Get rid of Netenyahooooooo!!!

[AnrothElf]

50. Israel is more diverse than America. Nobody is denying that right-wingers are skidmarks...

In Israel, the US, or Palestine.

But your comment is divisive. It implies that every Israeli is undeserving of defense. That they all deserve to be condemned along with these criminals. And that's what they are... criminals.

But Israel is diverse, and yeah... they OBVIOUSLY have right-wingers, since Netanfuckyou is in power, still.

You know what else they have?

ELECTIONS.

[Bettie]

83. Yes, they have elections

Last edited Tue May 14, 2024, 09:40 AM - Edit history (1)

Netanyahu comes out on top every time.

ETA: Also, I said nothing about defense...this is about dickheads destroying a food shipment because they want people to starve.

[Dorian Gray]

66. The settlers are not the good guys

They've been stirring up shit since before this round of fighting happened, and they need to be dealt with by the Israeli government. (I know the current government props them up.).

I've been very VOCALLY anti Jewish hatred on this board, but also I can acknowledge a great wrong. Aid needs to get through to the Palestinian people, and anybody preventing it is an abhorrent asshole.

[Aussie105]

2. The hate is strong in some people.

Sad.

[malaise]

5. Sickening

Rec

[LeftInTX]

3. They need to throw these kooks in jail. They're literally interfering with the military

They're too much like our militias at the border...

ETA: Four of them were arrested. But still, can't they control them???? If Texas DPS can control the students, certainly Israel can surmount a troop that compares with DPS.

[Mossfern]

6. I'd wager

that they are right wing settlers.
I'll take 20 lashes with a wet noodle if I'm wrong.

[LeftInTX]

7. Apparently you can donate to them from the US

https://www.jgive.com/new/en/usd/donation-targets/122060/about

Who do I report this to???
This website should be blocked in the US.

[Mossfern]

12. Wow!

That is so wrong.
However, I don't think they're the ones demonstrating ad destroying food.

[LeftInTX]

14. I reported the donation link to the FBI. TOI said they are the group. (Tzav 9)

I'll let the FBI deal with it.
US citizens should not be able to donate to foreign hate groups

[DemocraticPatriot]

25. No, they are merely US enablers of Genocide in Gaza...

[AnrothElf]

53. It's not genocide and every time you deliberately misuse that term, it denegrates actual genocide. Stop it.

[thomski64]

59. ..merely a little ethnic cleansing..

..like Stalin 1.0 in Donesk 1930, starve the Kulaks, then move in Russian settlers. Eine kline ethnic cleansing..nacht music..

[AnrothElf]

63. Fucking bullshit. And offensive in the extreme.

Israel has right-wing extremists just like America. And just like America they're a democracy.

Hamas is a right-wing TERRORIST organization that has been periodically lobbing missiles into Israel for almost 2 decades.

How many Israeli children -- Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other, since they're a diverse culture unlike Gaza Islamo-fascist hellhole -- has Hamas killed in cowardly terrorist attacks meant to provoke exactly this kind of reaction from Israel?

"Ethnic cleansing" my ass. Hamas BRAGS about wiping Israel off the map, "from the river to the sea", and morons go on the internet to parrot their talking points. Or they shriek "We are Hamas!" like mindless banshees.

Maybe if Hamas surrenders, Palestinians can have that self-determination they supposedly want.

[Mossfern]

69. Exactly!

How many of those here would want to be judged by the actions of Trump supporters.

[erodriguez]

76. It's very much ethnic cleansing.

Ethnic cleansing is removing a population from an area.

These "settlers" are actively trying to remove Palestinians from Gaza to take their land and are working to starve them out.

[obamanut2012]

87. It is 100% ethnic cleansing

It is also genocide as far as I am concerned, but let's say it isn't: it is a textbook case of ethnic cleansing.

[AnrothElf]

90. No. It's not.

Words have meanings and this bad faith pro-Hamas propaganda only makes the so-called "left" look insane.

[David__77]

64. The issues is systemic in nature and not tied to a particular figure or party.

[AloeVera]

17. The White House. I'm serious.

They appear to be a registered charity in the U.S. Donations are tax deductible in Israel and the US.

This is a political issue.

Or try your local reps, if they are any good. Mine here in Canada aren't, neither is my provincial government, so I go right to the top, Justin Trudeau's office. I am a thorn in their side, hopefully one of many.

[LeftInTX]

19. I did the FBI, but the Dept of State might work.

[AloeVera]

22. Yes and way to go!!!

[electric_blue68]

39. Oh, screw this! 😬

[AnrothElf]

52. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Something something "border crisis"?

[LeftInTX]

58. Yes, it does!

[AnrothElf]

54. What's the evidence that this is in any way connected to the OP? Be careful of disinformation.

You and I might oppose this right-wing group, but what, exactly, is your evidence that they are behind the criminality shown in the video posted by the OP?

Be careful with angry posting.

[LeftInTX]

57. Jerusalem Post and others listed the name of the group and I googled them and saw the fundraiser

The name of the group is
TZAV 9.

It's very clear on the fundraiser that they are blocking aide trucks. The US has denounced the group. So I reported the fundraiser to the FBI, so they can remove it from US sites.

Protesters torch aid trucks headed for Gaza through West Bank - report

Protesters from the Tzav 9 movement vandalized several humanitarian aid trucks that were headed to Gaza near the Tarqumiya Checkpoint near Hebron in the southern West Bank on Monday, according to Israeli media.


US stresses humanitarian aid should not be impeded
The United States on Monday raised with Israel an incident of protesters blocking aid trucks headed for Gaza, US State Department deputy spokesperson Vedant Patel said on Monday, adding that humanitarian assistance into the enclave should not be impeded.

Right-wing protesters have repeatedly blocked aid trucks headed for Gaza in recent months, including in recent incidents in Jerusalem, Mitzpe Ramon, and the West Bank.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-801025

The group has been doing this for several months. Israel had to divert trucks from this particular crossing (Kerem Shalom) due to the attacks. Unfortunately, after Israel closed the Rafah crossing, all the aide traffic went to this (Kerem Shalom) crossing. So, this group has ramped up the attacks in the past week.

[enid602]

9. good Israelis

You might be right, Mossfern, but the ‘good Israelis’ are not saying much.

[Dorian Gray]

67. Do you read the news?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/12/israel-protest-gaza-hostages-netanyahu

1000s protest Netanyahu in Israel.

[enid602]

68. Protest

I haven’t seen any mention of Israelis protesting the ongoing bombardment/blockade of Gaza.

[AloeVera]

8. They're literally interfering with aid to starving people.

There is that too.

It's a pretty evil thing to do.

As for stopping them, as with anything, where there is a WILL, there is a way. If there is no will...

[wnylib]

10. Agree. I heard this reported on NPR.

The protesters said that aid to Palestinians goes to Hamas and enables them to stay in control. Several suspects have been arrested in the West Bank where far right Israeli settlers live.

Some of the reporting that I've seen is not clearly written. It seems that separate protests took place. In the West Bank, protesters threw aid packages off the trucks. In the south, at the protesters blocked aid trucks from getting through.

The protests were organized by Order 9, a movement that demands the hostages be returned before any aid can go to Palestine.

[LeftInTX]

15. US stresses humanitarian aid should not be impeded

The United States on Monday raised with Israel an incident of protesters blocking aid trucks headed for Gaza, US State Department deputy spokesperson Vedant Patel said on Monday, adding that humanitarian assistance into the enclave should not be impeded.

Right-wing protesters have repeatedly blocked aid trucks headed for Gaza in recent months, including in recent incidents in Jerusalem, Mitzpe Ramon, and the West Bank.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-801025


I reported their USD fundraising site to the FBI. We should not be able to donate to groups like that from here! We have enough problems without our yahoos funding problems over there!

[wnylib]

16. Whose fundraising site? Your last paragraph confused me.

[LeftInTX]

18. The group blocking convey is known as TZAV 9. They have a fundraising site available in the US

Here is their fundraising site: https://www.jgive.com/new/en/usd/donation-targets/122060/about

So, I reported it to the FBI. I don't know how else to get it offline.

[orange jar]

20. you could report the site to the hosting registrar.

To get the site taken down, you could look up who/what entity is hosting the site and report the site for something that best fits. You could probably choose scams/fraud if there's evidence of that, or maybe some kind of incitement of violence.

Looks like they use Tucows. You could look up Tucows' email for flagging websites and forward a fraud/abuse complaint to them.

[LeftInTX]

21. It's part of larger type Israeli "go fund me" type site. Many are legit charities, but this one should not be in the US

[wnylib]

24. Thanks for clarifying it. BTW, tge English translation of that group is Order 9.

I'm wondering why they have a fundraising site. What funds do they need for what they are doing?

I'm not a legal expert, but it does seem improper to fundraise for illegal activities.
Raising funds in the US for destroying US aid is enticing Americans to act against our own government.

I have to wonder if the group behind this is acting out of individuals' personal rage for 10/7 or if they represent the agenda of some other group. The latter would explain the fundraising efforts.

[LeftInTX]

32. Israel has tons of charities fundraising with the US.

However, since this group is in hot water with the US, I reported them. The group may not be illegal in Israel, but since they're in hot water here, I reported them. Like GFM, no one knows whether a charity/campaign is unacceptable until you report them.

One fundraiser was even for tunnel robots for the IDF.

[mjvpi]

27. The US needs to start talking about the future of Gaza.

Hamas provided all social services in Gaza. The infrastructure is destroyed. Health services are destroyed. Food distribution . Education…….. We can’t leave it up to Iran and friends to rebuild or the violence cycle will repeat. There is a peaceful way to subvert Hamas. Hopefully we can lead as that shining city on the hill not as the supplier of 2000lb bombs.

[wnylib]

30. I think that has been Biden's goal from the start.

First eliminate Hamas, then work out deals for replacing their services. I'm sure that Biden has been in discussions with Israel and other nations about Gaza's future.

The US and other nations could invest in Gaza's future, similar to the Marshall Plan. It would require an organized agreement with good faith participants and reliable monitors to prevent a new group of terrorists from trying to fill the gap left when Hamas is gone. Also to prevent regional nations like Iran from trying to intervene or disrupt the process.

Besides Gaza, I'm thinking that some reorganization or trade offs of land areas would help Palestinians have a geographically unified territory instead of being split in two. But it's hard to imagine Israel or Palestinians willing to agree to that.

[mjvpi]

31. I saw that as part of Blinken's last push.

[AloeVera]

88. It might be just me, but the talking should have been done the last 7 months

Had there been more talking, even SOME talking, Gaza wouldn't look like it does today.

Somebody, somewhere would have realized that bombing a society back to the Stone Age wit 2000 lb bombs may not be a good idea.

[Traurigkeit]

28. An eye for an eye till all go blind

[Sympthsical]

42. Even if I agreed with that logic, which I don't, it's still not something they should be doing

I get it. Hamas steals aid regularly. And yeah, there are all the crickets about that one (from the very same deeply concerned here).

But it doesn't matter. You shouldn't be part of obstructing aid to civilians. Let Hamas be those assholes as people look the other way. Some portion of that aid will still reach civilian hands, and as much as possible should. They're impeding that.

It's unsupportable behavior, protest or no, whatever their rationale.

Yeah, I hear them. Hamas steals tons of aids and lets its own people go hungry while the deeply concern say not a solitary word about it. But it's still an indefensible move on their parts as well.

Two wrongs in this case.

[AnrothElf]

51. There's every likelihood that they WILL face jail time.

Israel is a functioning democracy with a right-wing government. We've been there, too, more than once.

They have religious nutters, just like we do.

They have food-destroying criminals; we have immigrant-shooting vigilantes on the southern border.

Something about logs in eyes?

[Violet_Crumble]

56. There's every likelihood they won't...

Not sure if yr aware, but there's a hell of a lot of leeway given to extremists in Israel, mainly because some of them are government ministers. One example is how settlers attack and murder Palestinians in the West Bank with impunity, knowing that all they'll likely get is a slap on the wrist.

But be sure to let us all know when those involved are charged with anything, and if they're actually convicted. My guess is going to be no to both, but my money's far more solid on any conviction.

[Celerity]

11. Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront

Who wouldn't want a house on the beach? For some on Israel's far-right, desirable beachfront now includes the sands of Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815

Daniella Weiss does not deny charges of ethnic cleansing - BBC/Goktay Koraltan

Just ask Daniella Weiss, 78, the grandmother of Israel's settler movement, who says she already has a list of 500 families ready to move to Gaza immediately. "I have friends in Tel Aviv," she says, "so they say, 'Don't forget to keep for me a plot near the coast in Gaza,' because it's a beautiful, beautiful coast, beautiful golden sand". She tells them the plots on the coast are already booked. Mrs Weiss heads a radical settler organisation called Nachala, or homeland. For decades, she has been kickstarting Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, on Palestinian land captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war.

Some in the settler movement have cherished the dream - or pipedream - of returning to Gaza since 2005, when Israel ordered a unilateral pullout, 21 settlements were dismantled and about 9,000 settlers were evacuated by the army. (Reporting from Gaza at the time, I saw many who were literally dragged out.) Many settlers saw all this as a betrayal by the state, and a strategic mistake. Opinion polls suggest that most Israelis oppose resettling Gaza, and it is not government policy, but since the Hamas attacks on 7 October it is being talked about out loud - by some of the loudest and most extreme voices in Israel's government.

Some illegal settlements have established their own checkpoints - BBC/Goktay Koraltan

Mrs Weiss proudly shows me a map of the West Bank with pink dots indicating Jewish settlements. The dots are scattered all over the map, eating away at land where Palestinians hope - or hoped - to build their state. There are about 700,000 Jewish settlers in these areas now and settler numbers are rising fast. The vast majority of the international community considers settlements illegal under international law, including the United Nations Security Council. Israel disputes this.

We meet Daniella at her home in the West Bank settlement of Kedumim, where red-roofed houses are spread over hilltops and valleys. She's in constant motion despite having an arm in plaster. Her vision for the future of Gaza - now home to 2.3 million Palestinians, many of them starving - is that it will be Jewish. "Gaza Arabs will not stay in the Gaza Strip," she says. "Who will stay? Jews." She claims that Palestinians want to leave Gaza and that other countries should take them in - although in a lengthy interview, she rarely uses the word "Palestinian". "The world is wide," she says. "Africa is big. Canada is big. The world will absorb the people of Gaza.

snip

Yehuda Shimon says Gaza must be Jewish - BBC/Goktay Koraltan

[wnylib]

26. RW troublemakers. But, for the record, some of the villages

in Gaza that Israelis were removed from were very old Jewish villages from before there was a modern Israel. Not all of the Israelis removed from Gaza were "encroaching settlers." It was better for them to leave when Israel pulled troops out of Gaza. The hostilities would have caused violent clashes if they had remained.

The West Bank settlers, though, are squatters. They should never have been allowed to move there.

[Traurigkeit]

29. " allowed to move there."

This was actually written

[wnylib]

44. ???

[Violet_Crumble]

47. I think they're referring to the Israeli govt allowing/encouraging the settlers...

Just an interesting factoid here, but the first settlement in Gaza (yes, there were some there before 1929, but they weren't related to the settlements created afterwards) was created by a Labor government in the 1970's. Not sure what they started off as, but it seems that most, if not all, settlers in Gaza were full-on extremists...

[wnylib]

80. That's why I said that "some" Jewish settlements in Gaza were there

before 1948. But, sure, there were Israeli settlements in Gaza as a result of Israeli occupation.

Settlers in the West Bank: Israel's government did end up authorizing and encouraging Israeli civilian settlements. It was debated within the government, with some opponents to the approval, but in the end, the pro settlement faction won out over interpretation of UN Resolution 242 following the 1967 war.

ON EDIT: I should point out that the Israeli interpretation of 242 is not accepted by the US, UN, and Palestinians.

[Mossfern]

13. Settlers

Ugh...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. Gee, I did NOT-SEE that coming.

[Violet_Crumble]

61. Be careful how you feel about it, HBS!

I've read in this very thread that anyone who's deemed 'deeply concerned' about this and hasn't met the required quota for denouncing Hamas* in other threads is, well, 'deeply concerned' and 'crickets' etc.

I'd already posted about something tangental in this thread before I read this 'rule', so now I'm going to balance out my 'deep concern' by the following well thought out and complex explanation of my unbending and unquestioning support for the Israeli government, which can be purchased in copy'n'paste all-purpose use over at Etsy.

FUCK HAMAS! GD FUCKING TERRORIST SCUM! RAPIST FUCK HAMAS


Also, good to see you again, old friend. It's been a long time...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

92. Hello!

[RockRaven]

33. Oh man, who could have seen that coming... Again.

[Orrex]

37. Shortly we'll be assured that this, too, is Hamas' fault

[AnrothElf]

55. Pretty much. Yeah. Hamas wanted this kind of reaction 10000%.

Hamas wanted this reaction. They want your sympathy. They want your kids in Ivy League colleges shouting their slogans. Fuck yes, that's 10000000% exactly what they motherfucking want.

Yup.

You nailed it.

[Mossfern]

70. However, if I am following this thread correctly

Hamas did not force the hand of these settlers.
There are bad players "on both sides" that are impeding resolution of the issue.

Again, this by no means justifies the anti Jewish sentiment on college campuses and left wing groups in the US.

[Ace Rothstein]

38. These are bad people and they should be arrested.

[Sympthsical]

43. The DU Jewish group?

What the actual fuck?

People. I'm begging. Pretend to hide it way better than this.

[LeftInTX]

45. I know!

[ilovegamers43]

62. I think it be nice

If instead of going into post like some do if we simply allowed others the chance to comment. It seems like on each side people want to push point of views that just start fights instead of taking in info and just asking questions.

[betsuni]

73. Uh oh. I've been paling around with the "DU Jewish group." I AM SPARTACUS!

[Sympthsical]

82. Got 8 recs before being removed

But nah, “What antisemitism?! I dOn’T sEe iT, u guys!”

There’s some kind of law at play. “The longer someone rambles about Israel, the likelihood of revealing a belief in collective Jewish guilt approaches 1.”

Once people believe in the social acceptability of their views, they take them out for an airing.

Just a weird inevitability lately.

[Mossfern]

89. What's even more disturbing

is that Post #1 got 37 recs as of 10:51 EST.

[Cha]

93. Oh Thank Goodness!

[Violet_Crumble]

46. Jewish DUers don't need to defend anything...

Why should they? Just like any other group of DUers, there's a wide variety of views on the conflict amongst them. I think the questions you ask should be aimed at those who have been quick to pop up in threads about Palestinian violence, or 'mobs' trying to get to the aid and get some for themselves. Whether a DUer is Jewish or not has nothing to do with that...

[ilovegamers43]

48. You might have trouble there

In one recent thread a person said there is no starvation in gaza.

[Violet_Crumble]

49. Again, I know who that is, and being Jewish isn't the explanation for their extremist views...

That's the same one who told an Israeli who's critical of Netanyahu and the occupation that they should leave Israel, and made out they knew more about what goes on in Israel than the actual Israeli did. I put that sort of behaviour down to dipshittery. I think EarlG shouid start a Dipshittery culture group, and then the questions so wrongly aimed at the Jewish group can be aimed at the Dipshittery group

[Goddessartist]

84. Yeah I saw that

and am late to the party, but that was pretty heinous. I've not been online for a few days, but saw that. Got a new wifi booster so everything works now. It's so disheartening, some of these comments. It's like they don't care one whit for the Palestinians. I missed the post that was removed.

It's difficult to interact with such extremists.

[Mossfern]

71. Wow!

Many members of the"Jewish group" here have been the ones leading the objection to these settlers.

Wow, just wow.
SMH

[sarisataka]

86. Looks like I missed something

Oh well, probably not the last

[Patton French]

74. Who are the members of this "DU Jewish group" you speak of?

NT

[electric_blue68]

41. While there maaaay be some exceptions(?); screw the West Bank Settlers movement!

[AloeVera]

78. Yes, we need a wider perspective.

Yes. I'm wondering why it's always "right-wing" settlers and not just settlers. Is there a distinction? A genuine question. It shouldn't just be about political leanings, that seems like a distraction. Settlers are who they are, no further pejorative should be needed. Of course that would only be the case if the settlements were widely condemned in Israeli society itself, which is becoming more and more doubtful. That should be the wider perspective.

[LeftInTX]

81. In Israel settlers are considered intruding on Palestinian land. Settlers tend to be nationalistic and rightwing.

[MFM008]

60. It seems

These loons feel pretty safe as long
As Netenyahu is in charge.
Also they couldn't have armed escorts for these goods?
Reminds me of Bosnian Serbs in 1992s seige of Sarajevo.

[David__77]

65. Note the absence of state forces intervention.

[Mossfern]

72. Right wing government

That's what the mass protests in Israel are about.

[LeftInTX]

77. You missed the fire hoses in Tel Aviv. They were hosing Israelis

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