Four white men discussing how they'll control all women's bodies

[MrScorpio]

I'm pretty disgusted here

[liberal N proud]

1. What is wrong with this picture.

:sarsasm:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I hear ya! Me too...

[kiva]

3. Why the white?

I'd be pissed if four black, brown, purple, orange or any color of men were discussing how they'd control women's bodies. This isn't about race, it's about gender.

[Cerridwen]

5. Because it's about race, class, gender,

hetero-sexism, able-ism, political power-over-ism, and the whole spectrum known as Kyriarchy.

Having said that, it's also true that in the US, 'white' has a particular significance not necessarily evidenced in other countries. "The intersections of privilege" can be quite confusing for the neophyte.

To paraphrase an old saying: "The poorest man is king in his own home."

[seabeyond]

7. ya, but, i would be pissed if it was four black men talking about womens bodies, too.

or two black men, a white man and an hispanic man.

or four oriental men

or three muslim men and a jewish man.

[Cerridwen]

11. Really. How do you feel about

women-who-want-to-be-men making the same decisions?

You know the ones I mean.

The women who say, "I would NEVER have an abortion, but I support the right of 'those' women to have one" or the ones who support the men who control the status quo because they benefit from the status quo; or the women who are just as judgmental and authoritarian as 'the men'? You know which women I mean, right? Of course you do.

This isn't about women against men or men against women so much as it is about those who want to control 'those' women and those who can actually get past the stigma attached to 'those' women.

[seabeyond]

15. i read you post below... nt

[kiva]

8. I know these factors are strongly linked,

but I'm not comfortable in this instance with the reference, Cerridwen. In researching and in informal discussion about abortion, I haven't seen that non-white men, or men from non-elite classes are any more supportive of a woman's right to choose than are upper-class white men.

I'll agree that that those factors can affect whether or not those men are in a position to make decisions about women's bodies, but I'm not comfortable with any men making those choices...and I don't think you and I are too far apart in that view.

[Cerridwen]

9. I agree. You and I are not 'far apart' or even 'apart' at all.

But (sorry, I guess you knew that was coming, right?) it is also important to continue to remind 'white' people on this board that 'white' is still the default setting for the 'norm'; in this country. That would be why I made of point of stating such.

That was all.

[kiva]

10. Yup, love the, but...

use it a lot too.

The main reason that I commented on this is that I think it's important to point out that 'white' isn't a qualifier (or I guess in this case a disqualifier), that if these men were not white or upper class that it still would not be OK for them to make plans to control women's bodies.

[Cerridwen]

12. Of course.

You and I are on the same...page...wavelength...whatever.

I'm just an obnoxious pain-in-the-butt who insists on pointing out that our 'defaults' need to be questioned, too.

I'm glad you brought your thoughts here; it gives you and me and those who are reading but not replying, a chance to think about some of the permutations of the Kyriarchy and how it effects us all.

[seabeyond]

14. ok. this i know. and agree. totally. nt

[Tx4obama]

4. So am I and also Mia Farrow

From Twitter

@MiaFarrow mia farrow
I resent the fact that those four men are so vehemently sure about what we women should do with our bodies #prochoice
15 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/#!/MiaFarrow/status/160192112309182465

[cilla4progress]

6. Right on!

Trying to outdo one another in how "pro-life" they are.

Then Mitt goes on to make a speech about he's for freedom and liberty. Too stupid to understand the hypocrisy?