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senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:39 PM Jul 2024

Chris Hayes is trending on twitter

I guess it's because of his criticism of Biden for mangling words. People are pointing out that Chris is always tripping over his tongue and once called Bernie Sanders "Bernie Sandwiches."

Got me to thinking about how these talking heads should be head and shoulders above everyone else in speaking skills considering their salaries, but most of them couldn't meet the standards they are unilaterally setting for 81 year old Joe Biden. No one who talks a lot is mistake free, but Chris especially is not.
And he is relatively young (40's) and a professional speaker. I think he needs to look in the mirror and think about what's really important here.

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Chris Hayes is trending on twitter (Original Post) senseandsensibility Jul 2024 OP
Any specific examples for us to look at? TexasDem69 Jul 2024 #1
Every show Chris sounds like he has a mouth full of macaroni he is trying to talk around. we can do it Jul 2024 #4
... lapucelle Jul 2024 #18
Thanks! TexasDem69 Jul 2024 #20
Bernie Sandwiches? LisaL Jul 2024 #22
Time for him to step away from the mic and cameras. StarryNite Jul 2024 #33
A Men! Cha Jul 2024 #48
Yeah, Tucker never said "sandwiches". jaxexpat Jul 2024 #34
TY! Not Fun Fact... Cha Jul 2024 #47
Love Harrison's example of not being able to remember BlueKota Jul 2024 #53
LOL.. sounds like my Mom when Younger.. she had 6 kids Cha Jul 2024 #55
🤣 BlueKota Jul 2024 #61
And did she, when she landed on the right name, slightlv Jul 2024 #64
Oh yeah.. get called by my full name instead Cha Jul 2024 #65
My mum was hilarious. ChazInAz Jul 2024 #58
😆 BlueKota Jul 2024 #62
Chris...the inventor of word salad. Hope22 Jul 2024 #2
A screw up when he was criticizing Biden for screwing up? senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #7
Agan? Hayes was "Trendinig" When he Cha Jul 2024 #3
Yes, that was bad senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #6
Exactly ".. look at Tara Reid Now"... Wanting to get into Russia Cha Jul 2024 #9
Nothing like a guy who makes millions on a talk Quakerfriend Jul 2024 #5
And my newest favorite: "..., right?" at the end of each statement. spooky3 Jul 2024 #30
Rachel sometimes does it senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #31
Maybe they're trying to be cool kids like Rachel? spooky3 Jul 2024 #32
wrong metro area of California (I am Los Angeles born, and also lived there whilst reading for my MBA) Celerity Jul 2024 #54
Yes, I grew up 10 miles from Rachel senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #57
Fair enough, it was mostly all before my time (the height, the peak) as I was born in late 1996, left before I was 2yo, Celerity Jul 2024 #60
And compared to tRUMP's awful word salads? No comparison. Biden is far more composed, far more able of a SWBTATTReg Jul 2024 #8
You are completely right senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #10
Meidas Touch put together a coupke good videos wnylib Jul 2024 #25
George Stephanopoulos could use elocution lessons too wishstar Jul 2024 #11
This is downright fucking bullying now. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2024 #12
You know I was a victim of childhood bullying senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #13
Ditto!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2024 #23
Exactly orangecrush Jul 2024 #42
I posted a popular post hrs ago about Tur XanaDUer2 Jul 2024 #14
MSNBC should ask her to take senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #16
Chris Hayes says the word "like" more than a Valley Girl. skylucy Jul 2024 #15
He does and its annoying and immature XanaDUer2 Jul 2024 #17
Speaking of Chris Hayes.. & others... Cha Jul 2024 #19
Did Hayes, Colbert and Meyers senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #21
Sorry Not sure.. no TV here. I just saw this tweet. Cha Jul 2024 #24
I will never seek Chris Hayes approval on who to vote for. Emile Jul 2024 #26
Stephen King????? Say it isn't so... SheilaAnn Jul 2024 #27
As much as King detests Trump, slightlv Jul 2024 #66
I hope tv pundits/ host got the message about the over the top FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #28
I read that both CNN and MSNBC's ratings are tanking senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #29
Good! StarryNite Jul 2024 #36
Hallelujah!! And if DU is a microcosm We Cha Jul 2024 #41
Have you ever noticed how similar Chris and Rachel are? StarryNite Jul 2024 #35
Funny you should bring that up senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #38
To me it's the way they speak and their gestures. StarryNite Jul 2024 #52
Burnt Weenie Sandwich JoseBalow Jul 2024 #37
I stopped watching him leftieNanner Jul 2024 #39
Yes, at least we've been able to count on Lawrence soldierant Jul 2024 #56
Not one single person on the planet speaks mistake free! Pacifist Patriot Jul 2024 #40
I do NOT watch Chris Hayes LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #43
Very surprised orangecrush Jul 2024 #44
Yes, he used to work at The Nation senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #45
I've put some thought into this and believe tom_kelly Jul 2024 #46
I see what you did there! senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #50
I wonder if he will comment on trending negatively? BlueKota Jul 2024 #49
joe seems to stutter a bit more but maybe cuz hes talking samnsara Jul 2024 #51
chronic pressure will do that too Skittles Jul 2024 #68
Brings to mind the old Biblical statement of: thenelm1 Jul 2024 #59
How much of this hysteria is grounded in ageism? dlk Jul 2024 #63
I had already stopped watching Hayes regularly The Third Doctor Jul 2024 #67

BlueKota

(3,788 posts)
53. Love Harrison's example of not being able to remember
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 06:41 PM
Jul 2024

his own kids names when tired. My Mom would usually accidentally start by calling my sister and I, by one of our cousins' names, sometimes she'd even call us by our dog's name, and often end with "Whatever the hell your name is, get over here." She was in her 40's when that started.

It happens to everyone

Cha

(306,158 posts)
55. LOL.. sounds like my Mom when Younger.. she had 6 kids
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:07 PM
Jul 2024

And, would run through our names in a Flurry before she hit on the right one..

Good times!

slightlv

(4,635 posts)
64. And did she, when she landed on the right name,
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:27 PM
Jul 2024

repeat it complete, as in your full legal name? I always knew I was in trouble at that point! (LOL)

ChazInAz

(2,817 posts)
58. My mum was hilarious.
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:13 PM
Jul 2024

We immigrated from Hungary, she was Welsh. No idea how my parents met. When we arrived, we Americanised our names, shortening them considerably from the typical Hungarian long string of family names. She had trouble shifting mental gears sometimes when calling us. I always assumed I was in trouble when she started out with "Karel Radu... oh hell!"

Hope22

(3,260 posts)
2. Chris...the inventor of word salad.
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:44 PM
Jul 2024

He had a screw up while talking about Biden the other night.

senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
7. A screw up when he was criticizing Biden for screwing up?
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:49 PM
Jul 2024
Like I said, these people need to look in the mirror.

Cha

(306,158 posts)
3. Agan? Hayes was "Trendinig" When he
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:44 PM
Jul 2024

had on Tara Ried and only TR.. No rebuttal for her LIES.

I loathe him.

TY for the info I sure would like to read some.

Quakerfriend

(5,669 posts)
5. Nothing like a guy who makes millions on a talk
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:47 PM
Jul 2024

show who is constantly saying “like….you know”. 🙄

spooky3

(36,583 posts)
30. And my newest favorite: "..., right?" at the end of each statement.
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:33 PM
Jul 2024

He does it, Rachel sometimes does it, but the worst offender is Molly Jong Fast.

senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
31. Rachel sometimes does it
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:35 PM
Jul 2024

but she is from my neighborhood in CA and we come by the Valley Speak naturally. What's Hayes and Molly's excuse?

spooky3

(36,583 posts)
32. Maybe they're trying to be cool kids like Rachel?
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:37 PM
Jul 2024

Alex Wagner used to do it but I stopped watching her some time ago so don’t know if she still does.

Celerity

(47,156 posts)
54. wrong metro area of California (I am Los Angeles born, and also lived there whilst reading for my MBA)
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:00 PM
Jul 2024

Valleyspeak originated in the San Fernando Valley (Los Angeles County). Southern California

Maddow is from Castro Valley (born there and graduated from Castro Valley High School and Stanford University, also in the Bay Area) which is SE of Oakland (the Bay area, it is in Alameda County, as you obviously know, as you have lived there. I am adding this for other readers.). Northern California



senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
57. Yes, I grew up 10 miles from Rachel
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:10 PM
Jul 2024

and my hubby grew up in So California. Believe it or not, there is some connection between the two culturally, and the accent is one of them. At least in the 80's the Valley Girl thing was also very big up in the Bay Area too.

Celerity

(47,156 posts)
60. Fair enough, it was mostly all before my time (the height, the peak) as I was born in late 1996, left before I was 2yo,
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:14 PM
Jul 2024

and did not return to live there (LA) until the mid 2010s.

SWBTATTReg

(24,504 posts)
8. And compared to tRUMP's awful word salads? No comparison. Biden is far more composed, far more able of a
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:49 PM
Jul 2024

speaker than tRUMP the moron will ever be. You can't even listen to one sentence of tRUMP's monologue before it goes off the track nor can anyone make heads or tails out of what tRUMP is saying more than 1/2 the time, or more.

senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
10. You are completely right
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:56 PM
Jul 2024

The corporate media is completely failing us by falling for and or stirring up this "scandal" considering the alternative. Just no justification for it. Yes, the debate was disappointing, but 3 weeks of pummeling all the while letting cheato go scott free? Nope.

wnylib

(25,038 posts)
25. Meidas Touch put together a coupke good videos
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jul 2024

that do side by side split screen comparisons of Biden giving good speeches next to Trump rambling. They also put together a montage of Trump gaffes.

Maybe they should do a montage of media talking heads gaffes. Include several persons do it does not look like an attack on any single one of them. But, they can give extra attention to the ones who are criticizing Biden the most.

wishstar

(5,511 posts)
11. George Stephanopoulos could use elocution lessons too
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:56 PM
Jul 2024

Ever since George started at ABC in the morning I have often found him hard to understand because of his mumbling and not speaking clearly

senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
13. You know I was a victim of childhood bullying
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:02 PM
Jul 2024

and I was getting those vibes from the talkingheads yesterday. Didn't bring it up because I didn't want to look like I was overreacting, but to me it was coming across that way.

XanaDUer2

(14,805 posts)
14. I posted a popular post hrs ago about Tur
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:02 PM
Jul 2024

She said B Menendez was from NY. She corrected herself, but its disturbing a well-paid professional host on national TV is confusing ny and nj.

Made me worry about her cognitive abilities. See how that works, Katy?

senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
21. Did Hayes, Colbert and Meyers
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:12 PM
Jul 2024

all ask him to resign? So disappointing if that is true. The rest of them...not shocked.

slightlv

(4,635 posts)
66. As much as King detests Trump,
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:34 PM
Jul 2024

it is hard to believe, especially since I feel like we're living in a Stephen King nightmare right now!

FloridaBlues

(4,401 posts)
28. I hope tv pundits/ host got the message about the over the top
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:31 PM
Jul 2024

Negative coverage 24/7. Viewship must be down on msnbc and cnn. The public humiliation of the President has caused some eyes to open about some of the host(s).

StarryNite

(11,019 posts)
35. Have you ever noticed how similar Chris and Rachel are?
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:49 PM
Jul 2024

They could be brother and sister. The way they talk, their mannerisms, they are just the same. Were they taught that in journalism school? Or I should say entertainment classes?

senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
38. Funny you should bring that up
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:54 PM
Jul 2024

because years ago Rachel went on the View and I think it was Whoopi who told her she looked like Chris. I could tell that Rachel was a little taken aback, and she said something like I guess I do look like a dude. She also said that Chris Hayes was really big in real life.

leftieNanner

(15,773 posts)
39. I stopped watching him
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:59 PM
Jul 2024

Since he has been attacking Joe.

Watch Lawrence instead. And Rachel on Monday.

soldierant

(8,079 posts)
56. Yes, at least we've been able to count on Lawrence
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:09 PM
Jul 2024

for sweet reason and good sense. If that also applies to Rachel, good for her.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,914 posts)
40. Not one single person on the planet speaks mistake free!
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 06:05 PM
Jul 2024

This is a pet peeve of mine.

We are conditioned to assume perfect speech because of tv and movies.

No! Real life does not work that way.

If you received a transcription of your verbal speech over a 24 hour period, you would be appalled.

Filler sounds, poor grammar, spoonerisms, gaffs, whatever. We all do them. Constantly!

Name replacements? OMG! Just ask a parent of multiple children how many times they used the wrong name. Did anyone call their elementary school teacher "mom" once or twice? When some asshole is consuming your thoughts (like an opponent or a rival), you are going to more readily bring their name to your lips.

I am so sick of people not recognizing reality!

senseandsensibility

(20,486 posts)
45. Yes, he used to work at The Nation
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 06:17 PM
Jul 2024

and was an admirer of Bernie Sanders (not Sandwich) so I have no idea what's going on with him.

tom_kelly

(1,051 posts)
46. I've put some thought into this and believe
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jul 2024

he should drop out of broadcast journalism and let a younger, more spry replacement do the job.

samnsara

(18,337 posts)
51. joe seems to stutter a bit more but maybe cuz hes talking
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 06:37 PM
Jul 2024

a thousand words a minute. Hes hot tonight!!

Skittles

(160,711 posts)
68. chronic pressure will do that too
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 11:21 PM
Jul 2024

it kills me that Trump isn't under this sort of microscope

thenelm1

(912 posts)
59. Brings to mind the old Biblical statement of:
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 07:14 PM
Jul 2024

"Let he who is without sin cast first stone." Would seem to fit in this context, yes?

(7-8 years of Catholic catechism classes never leave you, even after leaving the church behind many years ago.)

The Third Doctor

(399 posts)
67. I had already stopped watching Hayes regularly
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 11:15 PM
Jul 2024

Now I see that I made the right choice. He's a sell out. Those multi million dollar checks have changed him.

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