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Mr. Scorpio

(73,689 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:28 PM Jul 13

My skepticism is fueled by the fact...

That with Trump, you can never take appearances for granted. He is entire political existence has been built upon distorted reality and perceived martyrdom.

I do expect him to do everything to monetize and politically exploit this incident.

From every perspective, none of this was good for anyone.

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My skepticism is fueled by the fact... (Original Post) Mr. Scorpio Jul 13 OP
Trump's brain is always coming from the perspective of showmanship. Self Esteem Jul 13 #1
Post removed Post removed Jul 13 #5
I don't think so. Self Esteem Jul 13 #6
Think as you will. ZZenith Jul 13 #8
I will. Self Esteem Jul 13 #9
They literally had to drag him off the stage; he was too busy hamming it up, defiantly raising his fist in the air. sop Jul 13 #61
He was screaming "FIGHT" while they dragged him off.... AZ8theist Jul 13 #65
I agree but the initial shots definitely spooked him. Self Esteem Jul 14 #67
They had the image on sweatshirts within 24 hours. There's money to be grifted and suckers Nixie Jul 15 #73
You think he had someone shoot at him from 600 feet away and nick his ear and miss his brain by a few inches? EX500rider Jul 13 #15
Doubt Trump was hit with a bullet. ZZenith Jul 13 #16
Hit by bone chip or bullet fragment after passing through the the MAGA guest? StClone Jul 13 #23
Doubt that as well. ZZenith Jul 13 #26
Read that it was from shattered glass.., Squaredeal Jul 13 #28
Ah! I saw that, too! Lulu KC Jul 13 #32
Twitter image TommyT139 Jul 13 #48
Found the source TommyT139 Jul 13 #57
Thank you! Lulu KC Jul 14 #68
Hive mind's got you covered :) TommyT139 Jul 14 #69
Useful information! The conspiracy false flag stuff is too Q. StClone Jul 13 #36
CNN is reporting now it was a bullet or fragment of one hitting his ear top. StClone Jul 13 #37
Grain of salt TommyT139 Jul 13 #49
Have you watched the video? wnylib Jul 13 #59
An NYT photographer's pic captured a bullet whizzing past Trump's head. summer_in_TX Jul 13 #64
It was glass Beck23 Jul 13 #44
But Trump boasts that he doesn't use a teleprompter! Doodley Jul 13 #45
No. He complains his teleprompters don't work. onenote Jul 13 #60
Without going into detail, I can assure you that the SlimJimmy Jul 13 #52
He had 3 chances. He missed. 58Sunliner Jul 15 #72
He didn't fire three times. SlimJimmy Jul 15 #74
The videos I've listened to, have 3 shots followed by what sounds like, return fire. 58Sunliner Jul 15 #76
He didn't fire three times SlimJimmy Jul 15 #75
Didn't you notice him staring straight into a camera, pumping his fist mouthing " fight, fight, fight!" Iwasthere Jul 13 #53
Yes, he's a showman huckster, I would expect him to take advantage of it EX500rider Jul 13 #55
I've missed you JustAnotherGen Jul 13 #2
It was especially bad for the family of the person killed. RandomNumbers Jul 13 #3
We should feel bad for the shooters family as well...... a kennedy Jul 13 #4
Is there a GoFundMe yet? JoseBalow Jul 13 #20
They won't change JustAnotherGen Jul 13 #7
At least T***p will contribute to the GoFundMe for the funeral of his supporter. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 13 #50
Has Trump made a statement yet, about any of the other victims? - nt CrispyQ Jul 13 #51
Help me out-- were there injuries to any attendees? CoopersDad Jul 13 #10
Yes. One is dead and another in critical condition. Self Esteem Jul 13 #11
One attendee killed, another in serious condition emulatorloo Jul 13 #12
Just for the record, everyone here should know that attempting anything like this helps TFG. bluestarone Jul 13 #13
Why do I keep thinking; Codifer Jul 13 #14
The Trump bloody fist pump photo SomedayKindaLove Jul 13 #33
Seems to me it can't be helped - at least in these times. calimary Jul 14 #71
I Don't Believe He's That Clever DAngelo136 Jul 13 #17
He's not, but some of the people around him are devious enough to come up with this dflprincess Jul 13 #30
I thought of The Dead Zone - Greg Stillson yorkster Jul 13 #43
Oh yes, the bloody shirt BonnieJW Jul 13 #40
Two injured one dead shooter dead Nululu Jul 13 #18
One of the many reasons i don't think this was staged: Hieronymus Phact Jul 13 #19
It also wipes away what discussion there was of Project 2025 & that was ramping up. nt dflprincess Jul 13 #31
Heard on news (NBC) that Dems have pulled all commercials. :( allegorical oracle Jul 13 #34
That's true Hieronymus Phact Jul 13 #47
True, but it'll come back with a vengeance... Frank D. Lincoln Jul 13 #56
2025 ain't going anywhere. paleotn Jul 13 #58
Yes Beck23 Jul 13 #46
so trump was shot Brodog Jul 13 #21
Minute ago NBC said one attendee was killed, two others seriously injured. nt allegorical oracle Jul 13 #35
A man standing behind Trump was shot in the head wnylib Jul 13 #63
His entire political existence? His entire life existence. CaptainTruth Jul 13 #22
Covid White House stunt!? Dangerous misguided narcissism and grandiose self importance StClone Jul 13 #41
Good to see you, Mr. Scorpio Hekate Jul 13 #24
He won't speak out about too many guns in the hands of loonies Warpy Jul 13 #25
The King of Revenge exploit it? moondust Jul 13 #27
Very little blood supply in ear cartilage, luvtheGWN Jul 13 #29
Blood was minimal and seemed to pool in his ear then exit in a little streak and dripple. StClone Jul 13 #38
all i am going to say if this had been a bullet it would have entered his cranium. there is a report that the dawn5651 Jul 13 #39
Exactly. I'll wait for the official law enforcement assessment. Not that anyone cares about what I think. littlemissmartypants Jul 13 #42
Will trump try to sell pieces of his suit after this? MrWowWow Jul 13 #54
Not the actual suit, no. What they could do instead misanthrope Jul 14 #70
Staged event raising2moredems Jul 13 #62
The Problem is NO EMPATHY RANDYWILDMAN Jul 13 #66

Self Esteem

(837 posts)
1. Trump's brain is always coming from the perspective of showmanship.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jul 13

I don't think it's all that surprising he'd take something like this and quickly manipulate it for his image. That's just how his brain works. He was shot at, realized he was fine, but bleeding, and used it as an opportunity to show a 'tough guy' persona. THAT was his first thought. Not the concerns for others.

Response to Self Esteem (Reply #1)

sop

(11,078 posts)
61. They literally had to drag him off the stage; he was too busy hamming it up, defiantly raising his fist in the air.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:55 PM
Jul 13

Trump's fevered brain immediately saw an opportunity to exploit the incident. That shot of his bloodied cheek, clenched fist in the air, surrounded protectively by his Secret Service detail, will be on all campaign posters and in every fundraising email.

AZ8theist

(6,044 posts)
65. He was screaming "FIGHT" while they dragged him off....
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:16 PM
Jul 13

....That's all you need to know about what 's to come.............

Nixie

(17,300 posts)
73. They had the image on sweatshirts within 24 hours. There's money to be grifted and suckers
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:25 AM
Jul 15

to be exploited. Send money!

EX500rider

(11,192 posts)
15. You think he had someone shoot at him from 600 feet away and nick his ear and miss his brain by a few inches?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:30 PM
Jul 13

And then the shooter has no escape plan and gets killed?
Seems unlikely to me, YMMV

StClone

(11,835 posts)
23. Hit by bone chip or bullet fragment after passing through the the MAGA guest?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:43 PM
Jul 13

That may be one result of today's tactical weaponry inflicted upon the populace.

Lulu KC

(3,002 posts)
32. Ah! I saw that, too!
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:57 PM
Jul 13

I posted it but took it down because I couldn't find the place where I'd read it. That would make sense.

TommyT139

(333 posts)
48. Twitter image
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:30 PM
Jul 13

Was it you who posted the Twitter post(s) of the person who heard it from Secret Service?

I screen capped it, but cannot for the life of me figure out how to post it here. The Twitter handle is [at]wingsandp

TommyT139

(333 posts)
69. Hive mind's got you covered :)
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:37 PM
Jul 14

Now to figure out how to get ethical journalists to investigate this. It's bizarre that all of a sudden Trump is assumed to be telling the truth about...anything. Instead, it's the campaign version of stolen valor, and an affront to the people who actually were shot.

wnylib

(23,501 posts)
59. Have you watched the video?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:43 PM
Jul 13

NBC has a video that shows the whole thing, from first shots to removing Trump.

A person behind Trump was hit in the head and died instantly. NBC interviewed another attendee who was standing next to the guy that was shot. Other people were wounded.

It was a real shooting and to deny it sounds like the way that MAGAs talk.

Trump will no doubt capitalize on this, but it did happen.

SlimJimmy

(3,246 posts)
52. Without going into detail, I can assure you that the
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:39 PM
Jul 13

SS Counter Sniper Team is highly trained and never miss. The shooter never had a chance.

58Sunliner

(4,932 posts)
76. The videos I've listened to, have 3 shots followed by what sounds like, return fire.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:51 PM
Jul 15

CBS says he fired 6-8 rounds.

Iwasthere

(3,271 posts)
53. Didn't you notice him staring straight into a camera, pumping his fist mouthing " fight, fight, fight!"
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:39 PM
Jul 13

RandomNumbers

(18,047 posts)
3. It was especially bad for the family of the person killed.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:33 PM
Jul 13

(not meaning the shooter)

Also someone was seriously injured.

This is all very, very bad.

One could hope that some good might come, like some minds changing about gun control. Not holding my breath on that one.

CoopersDad

(2,670 posts)
10. Help me out-- were there injuries to any attendees?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:43 PM
Jul 13

If as many shots as were heard were aimed at him, somebody behind him would likely have been hit.

Thanks in advance for any additional info.

emulatorloo

(45,448 posts)
12. One attendee killed, another in serious condition
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:45 PM
Jul 13



Butler county district attorney Richard Goldinger tells me Trump was grazed by gunfire but is safe. An audience member was killed and the shooter is dead. Another person is in serious condition, the prosecutor said.


Tweeter is WAPO

bluestarone

(17,823 posts)
13. Just for the record, everyone here should know that attempting anything like this helps TFG.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:50 PM
Jul 13

He WILL lie, cheat, and take full advantage of this type of an event. He will be on MSM everyday until after the Nov. election. THIS will be huge for him and his cultists. We will have to work a million times harder, while being VERY CAREFUL ourselves.Please watch what you do shopping and be ready for anything. THEY ARE CRAZY.

SomedayKindaLove

(810 posts)
33. The Trump bloody fist pump photo
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:58 PM
Jul 13

Seems almost unbelievable as it is just so happens to be framed by an upside down American flag.

calimary

(83,367 posts)
71. Seems to me it can't be helped - at least in these times.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 11:08 PM
Jul 14

How could ANY OF US help thinking that?

I'm already wondering how much of a sympathetic character this will turn trump into?

DAngelo136

(296 posts)
17. I Don't Believe He's That Clever
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jul 13

Let's all take it on face value. Some knucklehead decided to take matters in his own hands and do something extremely stupid.
If he isn't dead already, he'll have the library, not the book thrown at him and rightfully so.

Of course, Trump will wave the bloody shirt and this will excite the base. But the fact remains that all he has is his base.
Nothing has changed; he still wants to be a dictator, he still is a liar, a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist. And Project 2025 is still his. While I wouldn't cry tears over his demise, I would want it to come while he is broke, bankrupted and incarcerated.

So, let's keep our heads while others around us are losing theirs. Keep our eyes on the prize and keep hammering away at him despite the pity party he's going to attempt to throw and the blame he's going to try to put on Joe and the Democrats.

dflprincess

(28,339 posts)
30. He's not, but some of the people around him are devious enough to come up with this
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:54 PM
Jul 13

Not to mention the dictators he likes to pal around with.

My friend commented the whole thing makes her think of the movie "The Shooter", only the patsy didn't get away today.

yorkster

(2,125 posts)
43. I thought of The Dead Zone - Greg Stillson
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:20 PM
Jul 13

Don't get me wrong. This is terrible news.
But watching the replay for the first time was surreal. It all seemed like a Stephen King scenario.

Nululu

(911 posts)
18. Two injured one dead shooter dead
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:33 PM
Jul 13

CNN reports shots outside venue from height. Shooter possibly killed by counter-snipers.

Hieronymus Phact

(466 posts)
19. One of the many reasons i don't think this was staged:
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:37 PM
Jul 13

This wipes away the self immolation of the Democrats from the news. That's the last thing they wanted. trump was doing good laying low as Democrats did his work for him. Now Biden's age is last weeks news, the conversation is on gun violence or political extremism or whatever. That doesn't help them.

Hieronymus Phact

(466 posts)
47. That's true
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:28 PM
Jul 13

But the new Story of the Cycle is not good ground for them either. and can be tied to their own violent rhetoric including that project 2025 video where that guy's threatening "the left" with violence.

Frank D. Lincoln

(264 posts)
56. True, but it'll come back with a vengeance...
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:42 PM
Jul 13

...after a respectful pause, of course.

Something that occurs to me is that the apparent assassination attempt on Trump might make him even more dangerous if he does regain power. One of Trump's most defining characteristics is vindictiveness. This incident might fuel his rage against everyone on the political left.

I want to learn what motivated the shooter. What set him off.

Beck23

(86 posts)
46. Yes
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:27 PM
Jul 13

Writing about Biden's age at this point would be a dead give away that many of the reporters are actually AI bots that haven't yet had the shooting programmed.

 

Brodog

(2 posts)
21. so trump was shot
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:38 PM
Jul 13

I have several things that need to be answered,
I want the medical report revealed and not by ronnie johnson.
Between three to seven shots were reported fired, was anyone else shot. Hard to believe no one else was shot in such an enclosed are with that many shots fired.
Find the bullets that were supposedly fire. No problem for CSI in such a small area.
I just don't trust or believe trump. When I see the above information then a decision will be made.

wnylib

(23,501 posts)
63. A man standing behind Trump was shot in the head
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:02 PM
Jul 13

and died instantly. He was in the direct line between the shooter and Trump according to a witness who was next to the guy who died. NBC interviewed the witness. If not for the guy who was killed, that bullet would have been a direct hit to Trump's head.

People in crowds move around. Quite possibly the guy who died had just shifted his position when the shooter fired. Also, Trump had turned his head to the right. If not, he might have been hit in the back of the head instead of the ear.

The witness who was interviewed said that he is a doctor and offered to help with the wounded people, but there was a doctor on hand for the rally, so the witness helped carry away the dead body. Said the dead man's family was there and hysterical, in shock. A woman nearby was hit in the hand and arm.



Warpy

(112,684 posts)
25. He won't speak out about too many guns in the hands of loonies
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:50 PM
Jul 13

because the GOP loves their guns and loonies are his people.

luvtheGWN

(1,343 posts)
29. Very little blood supply in ear cartilage,
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:54 PM
Jul 13

And certainly not nearly as much as it appeared to be on trump’s ear, according to video shown on cnn.
Hmmmm……

StClone

(11,835 posts)
38. Blood was minimal and seemed to pool in his ear then exit in a little streak and dripple.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:12 PM
Jul 13

...vote Trump vote more madness.

dawn5651

(633 posts)
39. all i am going to say if this had been a bullet it would have entered his cranium. there is a report that the
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:13 PM
Jul 13

teleprompter was hit and it was a piece of glass that hit the ear.

littlemissmartypants

(23,644 posts)
42. Exactly. I'll wait for the official law enforcement assessment. Not that anyone cares about what I think.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:18 PM
Jul 13

Also, I read a comment by someone who was there saying that he was hit by shards of glass from one of the teleprompters. Plus, one spectator is deceased and two were injured with no medical disposition mentioned.

There were multiple shots from the S.S. and it was one of the members from the uniformed support troops that traveled with the entourage who "neutralized" the shooter.

That's all I'm aware of, time marches on.

Thanks for the thread, Mr. Scorpio.

MrWowWow

(244 posts)
54. Will trump try to sell pieces of his suit after this?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:40 PM
Jul 13

or even try to sell cast reproductions of his "shot" ear?

misanthrope

(7,877 posts)
70. Not the actual suit, no. What they could do instead
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:53 PM
Jul 14

is go get a truckload of dirt-cheap, second-hand suits and cut them all into fragments to then all be sold to his cult members who are gullible enough to believe they own a piece of history.

raising2moredems

(690 posts)
62. Staged event
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:56 PM
Jul 13

We'll likely never know the details - 3D gun or not. Unexpected shard hitting the TFOT which scared the living shit out of him. Secret Service agents who didn't a) cover him or b) drag his sorry corpulent body away so fast he had no time for his photo ops.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,814 posts)
66. The Problem is NO EMPATHY
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:45 PM
Jul 13

Trump does not have any and his supporters have very little makes, it very hard to give them the benefit of this doubt in this situation.

What is this "Fight" garbage, we need an accounting from SS people about that and his photo op, why is he having a photo op w/flag during his take down time. also he was EXPOSED multiple times during this scene and we have press just running around shooting photo's. Tons of people including his deluded fans didn't act at ALL like this was an emergency and that is a HUGE PROBLEM !!!

*** I watched the interview of the man who alerted police to the shooter on the roof and he was blown off by them or not taken seriously and this was several minutes before the shooting started ?????

My sympathy goes out to the family of the rally person killed.

****Trump has been inciting violence at his rallies for years, you got to wonder when KARMA would come for him...

Lastly we only have one president, it is Joe Biden, Dipshit is the Former President needs to always be referred to as such at all times by all media (fox included ) so as not to confuse the public...

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