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Mr. Scorpio

(73,759 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:28 PM Jul 2024

My skepticism is fueled by the fact...

That with Trump, you can never take appearances for granted. He is entire political existence has been built upon distorted reality and perceived martyrdom.

I do expect him to do everything to monetize and politically exploit this incident.

From every perspective, none of this was good for anyone.

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My skepticism is fueled by the fact... (Original Post) Mr. Scorpio Jul 2024 OP
Trump's brain is always coming from the perspective of showmanship. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #1
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #5
I don't think so. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #6
Think as you will. ZZenith Jul 2024 #8
I will. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #9
They literally had to drag him off the stage; he was too busy hamming it up, defiantly raising his fist in the air. sop Jul 2024 #61
He was screaming "FIGHT" while they dragged him off.... AZ8theist Jul 2024 #65
I agree but the initial shots definitely spooked him. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #67
They had the image on sweatshirts within 24 hours. There's money to be grifted and suckers Nixie Jul 2024 #73
You think he had someone shoot at him from 600 feet away and nick his ear and miss his brain by a few inches? EX500rider Jul 2024 #15
Doubt Trump was hit with a bullet. ZZenith Jul 2024 #16
Hit by bone chip or bullet fragment after passing through the the MAGA guest? StClone Jul 2024 #23
Doubt that as well. ZZenith Jul 2024 #26
Read that it was from shattered glass.., Squaredeal Jul 2024 #28
Ah! I saw that, too! Lulu KC Jul 2024 #32
Twitter image TommyT139 Jul 2024 #48
Found the source TommyT139 Jul 2024 #57
Thank you! Lulu KC Jul 2024 #68
Hive mind's got you covered :) TommyT139 Jul 2024 #69
Useful information! The conspiracy false flag stuff is too Q. StClone Jul 2024 #36
CNN is reporting now it was a bullet or fragment of one hitting his ear top. StClone Jul 2024 #37
Grain of salt TommyT139 Jul 2024 #49
Have you watched the video? wnylib Jul 2024 #59
An NYT photographer's pic captured a bullet whizzing past Trump's head. summer_in_TX Jul 2024 #64
It was glass Beck23 Jul 2024 #44
But Trump boasts that he doesn't use a teleprompter! Doodley Jul 2024 #45
No. He complains his teleprompters don't work. onenote Jul 2024 #60
Without going into detail, I can assure you that the SlimJimmy Jul 2024 #52
He had 3 chances. He missed. 58Sunliner Jul 2024 #72
He didn't fire three times. SlimJimmy Jul 2024 #74
The videos I've listened to, have 3 shots followed by what sounds like, return fire. 58Sunliner Jul 2024 #76
He didn't fire three times SlimJimmy Jul 2024 #75
Didn't you notice him staring straight into a camera, pumping his fist mouthing " fight, fight, fight!" Iwasthere Jul 2024 #53
Yes, he's a showman huckster, I would expect him to take advantage of it EX500rider Jul 2024 #55
I've missed you JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #2
It was especially bad for the family of the person killed. RandomNumbers Jul 2024 #3
We should feel bad for the shooters family as well...... a kennedy Jul 2024 #4
Is there a GoFundMe yet? JoseBalow Jul 2024 #20
They won't change JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #7
At least T***p will contribute to the GoFundMe for the funeral of his supporter. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2024 #50
Has Trump made a statement yet, about any of the other victims? - nt CrispyQ Jul 2024 #51
Help me out-- were there injuries to any attendees? CoopersDad Jul 2024 #10
Yes. One is dead and another in critical condition. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #11
One attendee killed, another in serious condition emulatorloo Jul 2024 #12
Just for the record, everyone here should know that attempting anything like this helps TFG. bluestarone Jul 2024 #13
Why do I keep thinking; Codifer Jul 2024 #14
The Trump bloody fist pump photo SomedayKindaLove Jul 2024 #33
Seems to me it can't be helped - at least in these times. calimary Jul 2024 #71
I Don't Believe He's That Clever DAngelo136 Jul 2024 #17
He's not, but some of the people around him are devious enough to come up with this dflprincess Jul 2024 #30
I thought of The Dead Zone - Greg Stillson yorkster Jul 2024 #43
Oh yes, the bloody shirt BonnieJW Jul 2024 #40
Two injured one dead shooter dead Nululu Jul 2024 #18
One of the many reasons i don't think this was staged: Hieronymus Phact Jul 2024 #19
It also wipes away what discussion there was of Project 2025 & that was ramping up. nt dflprincess Jul 2024 #31
Heard on news (NBC) that Dems have pulled all commercials. :( allegorical oracle Jul 2024 #34
That's true Hieronymus Phact Jul 2024 #47
True, but it'll come back with a vengeance... Frank D. Lincoln Jul 2024 #56
2025 ain't going anywhere. paleotn Jul 2024 #58
Yes Beck23 Jul 2024 #46
so trump was shot Brodog Jul 2024 #21
Minute ago NBC said one attendee was killed, two others seriously injured. nt allegorical oracle Jul 2024 #35
A man standing behind Trump was shot in the head wnylib Jul 2024 #63
His entire political existence? His entire life existence. CaptainTruth Jul 2024 #22
Covid White House stunt!? Dangerous misguided narcissism and grandiose self importance StClone Jul 2024 #41
Good to see you, Mr. Scorpio Hekate Jul 2024 #24
He won't speak out about too many guns in the hands of loonies Warpy Jul 2024 #25
The King of Revenge exploit it? moondust Jul 2024 #27
Very little blood supply in ear cartilage, luvtheGWN Jul 2024 #29
Blood was minimal and seemed to pool in his ear then exit in a little streak and dripple. StClone Jul 2024 #38
all i am going to say if this had been a bullet it would have entered his cranium. there is a report that the dawn5651 Jul 2024 #39
Exactly. I'll wait for the official law enforcement assessment. Not that anyone cares about what I think. littlemissmartypants Jul 2024 #42
Will trump try to sell pieces of his suit after this? MrWowWow Jul 2024 #54
Not the actual suit, no. What they could do instead misanthrope Jul 2024 #70
Staged event raising2moredems Jul 2024 #62
The Problem is NO EMPATHY RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2024 #66

Self Esteem

(2,027 posts)
1. Trump's brain is always coming from the perspective of showmanship.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jul 2024

I don't think it's all that surprising he'd take something like this and quickly manipulate it for his image. That's just how his brain works. He was shot at, realized he was fine, but bleeding, and used it as an opportunity to show a 'tough guy' persona. THAT was his first thought. Not the concerns for others.

Response to Self Esteem (Reply #1)

sop

(13,398 posts)
61. They literally had to drag him off the stage; he was too busy hamming it up, defiantly raising his fist in the air.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:55 PM
Jul 2024

Trump's fevered brain immediately saw an opportunity to exploit the incident. That shot of his bloodied cheek, clenched fist in the air, surrounded protectively by his Secret Service detail, will be on all campaign posters and in every fundraising email.

AZ8theist

(6,676 posts)
65. He was screaming "FIGHT" while they dragged him off....
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:16 PM
Jul 2024

....That's all you need to know about what 's to come.............

Nixie

(17,580 posts)
73. They had the image on sweatshirts within 24 hours. There's money to be grifted and suckers
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:25 AM
Jul 2024

to be exploited. Send money!

EX500rider

(11,771 posts)
15. You think he had someone shoot at him from 600 feet away and nick his ear and miss his brain by a few inches?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:30 PM
Jul 2024

And then the shooter has no escape plan and gets killed?
Seems unlikely to me, YMMV

StClone

(11,869 posts)
23. Hit by bone chip or bullet fragment after passing through the the MAGA guest?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:43 PM
Jul 2024

That may be one result of today's tactical weaponry inflicted upon the populace.

Lulu KC

(7,640 posts)
32. Ah! I saw that, too!
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:57 PM
Jul 2024

I posted it but took it down because I couldn't find the place where I'd read it. That would make sense.

TommyT139

(1,121 posts)
48. Twitter image
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:30 PM
Jul 2024

Was it you who posted the Twitter post(s) of the person who heard it from Secret Service?

I screen capped it, but cannot for the life of me figure out how to post it here. The Twitter handle is [at]wingsandp

TommyT139

(1,121 posts)
69. Hive mind's got you covered :)
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:37 PM
Jul 2024

Now to figure out how to get ethical journalists to investigate this. It's bizarre that all of a sudden Trump is assumed to be telling the truth about...anything. Instead, it's the campaign version of stolen valor, and an affront to the people who actually were shot.

wnylib

(25,211 posts)
59. Have you watched the video?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:43 PM
Jul 2024

NBC has a video that shows the whole thing, from first shots to removing Trump.

A person behind Trump was hit in the head and died instantly. NBC interviewed another attendee who was standing next to the guy that was shot. Other people were wounded.

It was a real shooting and to deny it sounds like the way that MAGAs talk.

Trump will no doubt capitalize on this, but it did happen.

SlimJimmy

(3,251 posts)
52. Without going into detail, I can assure you that the
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:39 PM
Jul 2024

SS Counter Sniper Team is highly trained and never miss. The shooter never had a chance.

SlimJimmy

(3,251 posts)
74. He didn't fire three times.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:30 PM
Jul 2024

He fired once and hit his target. But feel free to play word games.

58Sunliner

(5,538 posts)
76. The videos I've listened to, have 3 shots followed by what sounds like, return fire.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:51 PM
Jul 2024

CBS says he fired 6-8 rounds.

SlimJimmy

(3,251 posts)
75. He didn't fire three times
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:30 PM
Jul 2024

He fired once and hit his target. But feel free to play word games.

Iwasthere

(3,376 posts)
53. Didn't you notice him staring straight into a camera, pumping his fist mouthing " fight, fight, fight!"
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:39 PM
Jul 2024

RandomNumbers

(18,484 posts)
3. It was especially bad for the family of the person killed.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:33 PM
Jul 2024

(not meaning the shooter)

Also someone was seriously injured.

This is all very, very bad.

One could hope that some good might come, like some minds changing about gun control. Not holding my breath on that one.

CoopersDad

(3,128 posts)
10. Help me out-- were there injuries to any attendees?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:43 PM
Jul 2024

If as many shots as were heard were aimed at him, somebody behind him would likely have been hit.

Thanks in advance for any additional info.

emulatorloo

(45,730 posts)
12. One attendee killed, another in serious condition
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:45 PM
Jul 2024



Butler county district attorney Richard Goldinger tells me Trump was grazed by gunfire but is safe. An audience member was killed and the shooter is dead. Another person is in serious condition, the prosecutor said.


Tweeter is WAPO

bluestarone

(19,350 posts)
13. Just for the record, everyone here should know that attempting anything like this helps TFG.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 08:50 PM
Jul 2024

He WILL lie, cheat, and take full advantage of this type of an event. He will be on MSM everyday until after the Nov. election. THIS will be huge for him and his cultists. We will have to work a million times harder, while being VERY CAREFUL ourselves.Please watch what you do shopping and be ready for anything. THEY ARE CRAZY.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,108 posts)
33. The Trump bloody fist pump photo
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:58 PM
Jul 2024

Seems almost unbelievable as it is just so happens to be framed by an upside down American flag.

calimary

(85,674 posts)
71. Seems to me it can't be helped - at least in these times.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 11:08 PM
Jul 2024

How could ANY OF US help thinking that?

I'm already wondering how much of a sympathetic character this will turn trump into?

DAngelo136

(339 posts)
17. I Don't Believe He's That Clever
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jul 2024

Let's all take it on face value. Some knucklehead decided to take matters in his own hands and do something extremely stupid.
If he isn't dead already, he'll have the library, not the book thrown at him and rightfully so.

Of course, Trump will wave the bloody shirt and this will excite the base. But the fact remains that all he has is his base.
Nothing has changed; he still wants to be a dictator, he still is a liar, a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist. And Project 2025 is still his. While I wouldn't cry tears over his demise, I would want it to come while he is broke, bankrupted and incarcerated.

So, let's keep our heads while others around us are losing theirs. Keep our eyes on the prize and keep hammering away at him despite the pity party he's going to attempt to throw and the blame he's going to try to put on Joe and the Democrats.

dflprincess

(28,738 posts)
30. He's not, but some of the people around him are devious enough to come up with this
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:54 PM
Jul 2024

Not to mention the dictators he likes to pal around with.

My friend commented the whole thing makes her think of the movie "The Shooter", only the patsy didn't get away today.

yorkster

(2,914 posts)
43. I thought of The Dead Zone - Greg Stillson
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:20 PM
Jul 2024

Don't get me wrong. This is terrible news.
But watching the replay for the first time was surreal. It all seemed like a Stephen King scenario.

Nululu

(1,032 posts)
18. Two injured one dead shooter dead
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:33 PM
Jul 2024

CNN reports shots outside venue from height. Shooter possibly killed by counter-snipers.

Hieronymus Phact

(557 posts)
19. One of the many reasons i don't think this was staged:
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:37 PM
Jul 2024

This wipes away the self immolation of the Democrats from the news. That's the last thing they wanted. trump was doing good laying low as Democrats did his work for him. Now Biden's age is last weeks news, the conversation is on gun violence or political extremism or whatever. That doesn't help them.

Hieronymus Phact

(557 posts)
47. That's true
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:28 PM
Jul 2024

But the new Story of the Cycle is not good ground for them either. and can be tied to their own violent rhetoric including that project 2025 video where that guy's threatening "the left" with violence.

Frank D. Lincoln

(894 posts)
56. True, but it'll come back with a vengeance...
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:42 PM
Jul 2024

...after a respectful pause, of course.

Something that occurs to me is that the apparent assassination attempt on Trump might make him even more dangerous if he does regain power. One of Trump's most defining characteristics is vindictiveness. This incident might fuel his rage against everyone on the political left.

I want to learn what motivated the shooter. What set him off.

Beck23

(367 posts)
46. Yes
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:27 PM
Jul 2024

Writing about Biden's age at this point would be a dead give away that many of the reporters are actually AI bots that haven't yet had the shooting programmed.

 

Brodog

(2 posts)
21. so trump was shot
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:38 PM
Jul 2024

I have several things that need to be answered,
I want the medical report revealed and not by ronnie johnson.
Between three to seven shots were reported fired, was anyone else shot. Hard to believe no one else was shot in such an enclosed are with that many shots fired.
Find the bullets that were supposedly fire. No problem for CSI in such a small area.
I just don't trust or believe trump. When I see the above information then a decision will be made.

wnylib

(25,211 posts)
63. A man standing behind Trump was shot in the head
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:02 PM
Jul 2024

and died instantly. He was in the direct line between the shooter and Trump according to a witness who was next to the guy who died. NBC interviewed the witness. If not for the guy who was killed, that bullet would have been a direct hit to Trump's head.

People in crowds move around. Quite possibly the guy who died had just shifted his position when the shooter fired. Also, Trump had turned his head to the right. If not, he might have been hit in the back of the head instead of the ear.

The witness who was interviewed said that he is a doctor and offered to help with the wounded people, but there was a doctor on hand for the rally, so the witness helped carry away the dead body. Said the dead man's family was there and hysterical, in shock. A woman nearby was hit in the hand and arm.



Warpy

(113,132 posts)
25. He won't speak out about too many guns in the hands of loonies
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:50 PM
Jul 2024

because the GOP loves their guns and loonies are his people.

luvtheGWN

(1,343 posts)
29. Very little blood supply in ear cartilage,
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 09:54 PM
Jul 2024

And certainly not nearly as much as it appeared to be on trump’s ear, according to video shown on cnn.
Hmmmm……

StClone

(11,869 posts)
38. Blood was minimal and seemed to pool in his ear then exit in a little streak and dripple.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:12 PM
Jul 2024

...vote Trump vote more madness.

dawn5651

(696 posts)
39. all i am going to say if this had been a bullet it would have entered his cranium. there is a report that the
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:13 PM
Jul 2024

teleprompter was hit and it was a piece of glass that hit the ear.

littlemissmartypants

(27,068 posts)
42. Exactly. I'll wait for the official law enforcement assessment. Not that anyone cares about what I think.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:18 PM
Jul 2024

Also, I read a comment by someone who was there saying that he was hit by shards of glass from one of the teleprompters. Plus, one spectator is deceased and two were injured with no medical disposition mentioned.

There were multiple shots from the S.S. and it was one of the members from the uniformed support troops that traveled with the entourage who "neutralized" the shooter.

That's all I'm aware of, time marches on.

Thanks for the thread, Mr. Scorpio.

MrWowWow

(519 posts)
54. Will trump try to sell pieces of his suit after this?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:40 PM
Jul 2024

or even try to sell cast reproductions of his "shot" ear?

misanthrope

(8,618 posts)
70. Not the actual suit, no. What they could do instead
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:53 PM
Jul 2024

is go get a truckload of dirt-cheap, second-hand suits and cut them all into fragments to then all be sold to his cult members who are gullible enough to believe they own a piece of history.

raising2moredems

(732 posts)
62. Staged event
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:56 PM
Jul 2024

We'll likely never know the details - 3D gun or not. Unexpected shard hitting the TFOT which scared the living shit out of him. Secret Service agents who didn't a) cover him or b) drag his sorry corpulent body away so fast he had no time for his photo ops.

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,033 posts)
66. The Problem is NO EMPATHY
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:45 PM
Jul 2024

Trump does not have any and his supporters have very little makes, it very hard to give them the benefit of this doubt in this situation.

What is this "Fight" garbage, we need an accounting from SS people about that and his photo op, why is he having a photo op w/flag during his take down time. also he was EXPOSED multiple times during this scene and we have press just running around shooting photo's. Tons of people including his deluded fans didn't act at ALL like this was an emergency and that is a HUGE PROBLEM !!!

*** I watched the interview of the man who alerted police to the shooter on the roof and he was blown off by them or not taken seriously and this was several minutes before the shooting started ?????

My sympathy goes out to the family of the rally person killed.

****Trump has been inciting violence at his rallies for years, you got to wonder when KARMA would come for him...

Lastly we only have one president, it is Joe Biden, Dipshit is the Former President needs to always be referred to as such at all times by all media (fox included ) so as not to confuse the public...

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