Joyce Vance: Don't Jump to Conclusions

[duckworth969]

Well-written post and some food for thought about Chump shooting.

Vance has worked investigations similar to this in her former career as a US attorney.

https://open.substack.com/pub/joycevance/p/dont-jump-to-conclusions?r=1nhj16&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

[MichMan]

1. Everyone here needs to read this

DU has been rampant with unfounded speculation since the shooting occurred. Little of it based on fact.

[calimary]

2. You have to sign up. Oh, for Pete's Sake!!!

Sorry, but I’m just not doing it. Enough!!!

[Biophilic]

5. Actually you don't. Or at least I just hit the "skip" button and got the whole article.

It was an interesting read.

[ShazzieB]

16. Oh, there was a skip button?

I did not see that. But I decided to sign up sp I could subscribe to Joyce's stuff, so it's all good.

[calimary]

18. I'm not sure how, but I did finally get there.

The technical stuff sometimes flummoxes me.

But thanks for the attempts to help (or sympathize)!

[Biophilic]

19. I am always amazed when I do something correctly with tech stuff.

It always feels like stabbing in the dark.

[calimary]

20. It most certainly does.

At least for me!

[emulatorloo]

6. No you don't have to sign up, just click the "skip" button and continue reading,

[niyad]

7. I did not have to sign up.

[DaBronx]

3. Excellent article - thanks for posting

Joyce Vance is a national treasure.

[Turbineguy]

4. Good. I'll just put my feet up and wait for more info.

Eventually we'll have it and many people won't like it.

[Think. Again.]

8. One thing I want to mention...

Ms. Vance speaks of the actblue donation but apparently there is another person living in that area who works in renewable energy and has the name Thomas Crooks.

[delisen]

9. Wonder if writer has conclusive evidence

that this Thomas Crooks was the political donor and not another person with the same first and last name?

Another poster on DU raised that possibility and I have tried to get information but have not yet succeeded.

[bigtree]

10. we're in the middle of a political campaign and Joe Biden's being accused of shooting Trump

...and that's the least of the republican's charges flying around.

Telling Democratic citizens to 'be careful' about what they believe and relate is just twaddle. We're going to go into the voting booth in November using whatever IMPRESSIONS we have of these two candidates, not relying on an itemized sheet of facts.

Goddamn reporters need be careful.

Democratic voters need to use our imaginations and envision what a dangerous and chaotic country we'll be facing if Trump gets into office again.

There's zero consequence for speaking your mind about Trump here. Take advantage of it. Don't parse yourself. The worst of Trump and republicans has yet to be fully revealed and the worst of what we may imagine about him is very likely true.

Be citizens. Make up your own mind about what you believe. Listen to your fellow Democrats who feel the same.

Don't get bullied into crossing 'I's and dotting our 'T's before expressing what we believe. We're not the press, and we have more of a chance of getting our speculation right than they do with actual facts right in front of them.

Read what she wrote about his gun nut org affiliation. That's not a Democrat.

[AltairIV]

11. Problem

Most of the people reading this have no need to do so. They are responsible citizens and individuals. The same cannot be said for far to many on the other side of the aisle.

[MichMan]

12. Have you read some of the posts here?

[Kali]

13. LOL

the color of drumpf's location pin

[ShazzieB]

17. LOL! 🍊

[MiHale]

14. Thank you for posting...

Great advice in the article…the pictures clarify things a great deal.

[BigmanPigman]

15. I thought I heard someone call his name....

$Some have suggested that in one of the videos of the shooting, you can hear a woman yelling Crooks’ name and possibly asking what he’s doing. That and other information is being carefully considered by investigators, who are determining whether anyone else is involved or knew of Crooks’ plans in advance, whether there is any remaining threat"

...but then I couldn't find it on any of the video clips or news reports. I'm glad someone noticed it, too.