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Nevilledog

(53,953 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:16 PM Jul 2024

Neighbors say shooter had Trump signs in front of his house over the last few years





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Local Pittsburgh News WPXI: Crooks’ motive is still unclear. Records show he is a registered Republican and neighbors today told us that they’ve actually seen Trump signs outside of the home over the last few years


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Neighbors say shooter had Trump signs in front of his house over the last few years (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2024 OP
Kick dalton99a Jul 2024 #1
Could mean his dad was MAGA intrepidity Jul 2024 #2
I read his dad doesn't live there. Just shooter, his mother, and sister. sinkingfeeling Jul 2024 #3
I just daddy left behind his precious MagickMuffin Jul 2024 #5
Whoever it was soandso Jul 2024 #6
So was Mom a MAGAt? Or him? Or even the sister? Who put the signs up? JHB Jul 2024 #46
The dad is reportedly a Libertarian Deminpenn Jul 2024 #23
That's how they registered SCantiGOP Jul 2024 #33
There's only around 5000 registered Libs in Deminpenn Jul 2024 #48
Exactly Warpy Jul 2024 #36
The kid was bullied, and tried to take his "retribution" against DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #41
If school was in session onlyadream Jul 2024 #58
The background report said that his mother is a registered Democrat and his father is a Libertarian Rhiannon12866 Jul 2024 #38
No doubt antifa planted them years ago, to preemptively throw us off the trail Orrex Jul 2024 #4
Interesting if true. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #7
There are a lot more rightwingers against trump than they want us to know. Think. Again. Jul 2024 #10
And we will see their numbers on election day.........n/t Bengus81 Jul 2024 #62
Go Joe!!! 🌊 !!! Think. Again. Jul 2024 #63
He might have thought it was JFK Jr. dressed up as tsf. rubbersole Jul 2024 #26
Huh. Disaffected follower of the convicted felon fires into a MAGA crowd and is Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #8
No it doesn't. Kaleva Jul 2024 #13
. Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #14
Do you have any evidence that shows the shooter was a follower of Trump? Kaleva Jul 2024 #42
Kids from his debate class said he was the lone Regressive on every issue IbogaProject Jul 2024 #56
Keep working on it JoseBalow Jul 2024 #24
Stinks to high heaven. n/t PatrickforB Jul 2024 #32
I'm betting the motive wasn't political but personal/emotional. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #9
Sounds reasonable. Keep wondering how/why a 20-yr-old these days wouldn't allegorical oracle Jul 2024 #18
Or conveniently scrubbed. rubbersole Jul 2024 #28
I agree that it's likely more personal/emotional. Sogo Jul 2024 #47
Quest? Okay then. LisaM Jul 2024 #60
Rightwing gun-humpers just want to hurt people, doesn't matter who. Think. Again. Jul 2024 #11
So I guess the parents weren't liberals senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #12
It won't stop them though MustLoveBeagles Jul 2024 #17
magat on magat violence is vile BoRaGard Jul 2024 #15
Maybe daddy told him to get Tickle Jul 2024 #16
He had a job in the kitchen of a nursing home. Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #19
I actually read somewhere that he got an AA degree senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #20
Oh, ok. Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #21
He had just finished his AA Lulu KC Jul 2024 #51
Zealot ffr Jul 2024 #22
Could be totally non political too. Lucky Luciano Jul 2024 #25
Yeah he does. I saw footage of kids he went to school with getting interviewed and PatrickforB Jul 2024 #31
Those looking for a political motive should remember that most school RockRaven Jul 2024 #27
And the truth is, Neville, we will not ever really get the full story, I'm sure. PatrickforB Jul 2024 #29
We don't know if the kid put out the Trump signs Kaleva Jul 2024 #45
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #30
Maybe kid intended to miss Trump to help his re-election. Doodley Jul 2024 #34
If so, that's a shame, because Trump surely doesn't miss him. /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #37
His dad had 20 guns registered. mn9driver Jul 2024 #35
I was thinking it might be a way to hurt his dad n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2024 #40
Daddy is gonna lose all his toys ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #57
You're thinking we live in a country with sane gun laws. maxsolomon Jul 2024 #64
Could you provide a link to that, please? Kaleva Jul 2024 #43
Not finding the reference now. mn9driver Jul 2024 #50
Ok. Thanks for looking though! Kaleva Jul 2024 #54
Well, that ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #39
We don't know if he was a supporter Kaleva Jul 2024 #44
Gun Nut Culture JI7 Jul 2024 #49
My theories in order of likelihood ecstatic Jul 2024 #52
Maga on maga crime ColinC Jul 2024 #53
Title of OP isn't accurate Kaleva Jul 2024 #55
Maybe the kid read Linda ladeewolf Jul 2024 #59
deleted wishstar Jul 2024 #61
Pretty weak data point SpankMe Jul 2024 #65
I saw this on Twitter but didn't know if it was real. iemanja Jul 2024 #66

JHB

(37,613 posts)
46. So was Mom a MAGAt? Or him? Or even the sister? Who put the signs up?
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 12:41 AM
Jul 2024

Still all guesswork at this point.

SCantiGOP

(14,418 posts)
33. That's how they registered
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:48 PM
Jul 2024

That only means that you can’t vote in other party’s primaries.

Deminpenn

(16,678 posts)
48. There's only around 5000 registered Libs in
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 06:10 AM
Jul 2024

Allegheny county. You probably have to be a true believer to register as an L. While I think Americans all have a latent libertarian streak, few subscribe to the entire libertarian belief system.

Warpy

(113,132 posts)
36. Exactly
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:57 PM
Jul 2024

What we know specifically about the kid is that he was a shy kid, an outsider, and heavily bullied and thought guns were the answer. We know he died wearing a t-shirt from one of the more pernicious gun & bomb sites on YouTube.

I'm seeing this more as suicide by cop. I have no idea what his attitude toward TFG was, or if he thought about him, at all, except as a means to go out in glory and a hail of bullets.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
41. The kid was bullied, and tried to take his "retribution" against
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:33 PM
Jul 2024

the biggest bully in the country!

i see motive there, if no one else does...

Rhiannon12866

(231,276 posts)
38. The background report said that his mother is a registered Democrat and his father is a Libertarian
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 09:40 PM
Jul 2024

BannonsLiver

(19,025 posts)
7. Interesting if true.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jul 2024

There is a small strain of far right loonies who think Trump is too soft or may have supported him at one point but now feel betrayed because the wall wasn’t built, fill in the blank. We could probably sit here all night and come up with hundreds of potential motives, though.

rubbersole

(9,616 posts)
26. He might have thought it was JFK Jr. dressed up as tsf.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:37 PM
Jul 2024

Just a few people knew this and he had to save the world.
🤪

Scrivener7

(54,997 posts)
8. Huh. Disaffected follower of the convicted felon fires into a MAGA crowd and is
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:37 PM
Jul 2024

subsequently shot by SS. And the convicted felon sustains a minor injury, poses for a photo op, and no medical report is forthcoming. On the eve of the convention.

Suggests something smelly, no?

Kaleva

(39,102 posts)
42. Do you have any evidence that shows the shooter was a follower of Trump?
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 12:09 AM
Jul 2024

I bet you don't.

He might have been but I haven't seen anything that proves he was.

IbogaProject

(4,195 posts)
56. Kids from his debate class said he was the lone Regressive on every issue
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 10:50 AM
Jul 2024

That is all we really have, along with he registered R at a general election, no primary votes.

Ocelot II

(123,950 posts)
9. I'm betting the motive wasn't political but personal/emotional.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:41 PM
Jul 2024

So often these shooters are young, messed-up guys who have some imaginary or unknown personal grudge or want to do something that will ensure they will be noticed and remembered. It appears that Crooks intended to shoot a lot of people and not just Trump, but shooting Trump as part of the show would ensure he got even more attention than all those school shooters put together (since obviously shooting 30 kids isn't as big a deal as putting a scratch on Trump's ear). The fact that there were Trump signs on his front lawn indicated that one or both parents were supporters; maybe he wanted to shoot Trump just to piss off his parents. Since he didn't have a social media presence that we know of, we might never know (unless his parents know and eventually talk about it).

allegorical oracle

(4,456 posts)
18. Sounds reasonable. Keep wondering how/why a 20-yr-old these days wouldn't
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:24 PM
Jul 2024

be doing social media. Parent/s wouldn't allow? Truly feel sorry for his family.

Sogo

(6,153 posts)
47. I agree that it's likely more personal/emotional.
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 12:47 AM
Jul 2024

This thread from yesterday caught my attention, and I've been waiting to see if anything comes out to indicate the social media post is real. I think it tells a lot if it is....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19152216

LisaM

(29,086 posts)
60. Quest? Okay then.
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 12:50 PM
Jul 2024

Don Quixote complex.

I'm sorry, but look at all the movies and video games that play in to this "quest" nonsense. I am sick of it.

senseandsensibility

(21,543 posts)
12. So I guess the parents weren't liberals
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:43 PM
Jul 2024

either? Gosh, things aren't looking good for the blame the left crowd.

Tickle

(3,791 posts)
16. Maybe daddy told him to get
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:16 PM
Jul 2024

a job and he got pissed. Then wondered how he could get back at his father.... 🧐

Wingus Dingus

(8,892 posts)
19. He had a job in the kitchen of a nursing home.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:43 PM
Jul 2024

Apparently he was a good employee. But no mention of college for what was a very smart young man--kind of strange.

senseandsensibility

(21,543 posts)
20. I actually read somewhere that he got an AA degree
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:16 PM
Jul 2024

from a local community college. I can't remember the exact subject, but I think it was Math related.

Lulu KC

(7,643 posts)
51. He had just finished his AA
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 09:50 AM
Jul 2024

It was engineering-related. He was supposed to transfer to four-year college in the fall.

Lucky Luciano

(11,597 posts)
25. Could be totally non political too.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:29 PM
Jul 2024

He might have tried this if it were Biden doing a stump speech and it could be that the bottom line is that he wanted to be a famous shooter doing something “epic.”

He does fit the school shooter profile.

PatrickforB

(15,195 posts)
31. Yeah he does. I saw footage of kids he went to school with getting interviewed and
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:40 PM
Jul 2024

they said he was bullied really badly all through High School.

RockRaven

(17,109 posts)
27. Those looking for a political motive should remember that most school
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:37 PM
Jul 2024

shootings are not about academics/education. IOW, maybe this shooting at a political rally was about shooting rather than politics.

PatrickforB

(15,195 posts)
29. And the truth is, Neville, we will not ever really get the full story, I'm sure.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:39 PM
Jul 2024

So, the guy is a registered Republican, and had Trump signs, but then forms a half baked, insane plan to assassinate Trump. Why?

And why did that police sniper seem to have the guy in his sights, and yet let him squeeze off at least one shot before taking him out?

And why in the heck didn't the Secret Service have their own sniper on that very same roof?

I doubt we will ever know this guy's actual motive.

Kaleva

(39,102 posts)
45. We don't know if the kid put out the Trump signs
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 12:40 AM
Jul 2024

He might have been a supporter of Trump. He might have been a supporter of Nikki Haley or some other Republican. Or he could be someone like my wife who is registered to vote but cares little for politics

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

mn9driver

(4,691 posts)
35. His dad had 20 guns registered.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:56 PM
Jul 2024

I imagine the shooter didn’t put the signs up, but signs and guns would certainly indicate a Trumpy household.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
57. Daddy is gonna lose all his toys
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 10:55 AM
Jul 2024

No way he keeps them after one of his purchases was used this way.

Kaleva

(39,102 posts)
43. Could you provide a link to that, please?
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 12:36 AM
Jul 2024

Because that's interesting info! Thanks in advance!

mn9driver

(4,691 posts)
50. Not finding the reference now.
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 09:38 AM
Jul 2024

It looks like the articles that stated that have been modified to say “more than a dozen guns”.

ecstatic

(34,703 posts)
52. My theories in order of likelihood
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 10:07 AM
Jul 2024

Theory 1: Beginning or full blown psychosis -- hearing voices that instruct him on what to do.

Men are usually diagnosed with schizophrenia between the late teens and early 20s, with a peak at 21-25 years of age.


Theory 2: His mom or sister expressed concern over the threat that trump poses so he did what he did to defend his mom and the country.

Kaleva

(39,102 posts)
55. Title of OP isn't accurate
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 10:12 AM
Jul 2024

Article doesn't say it was the shooter himself that had put Trump signs in the yard of his parents who he lived with

Linda ladeewolf

(814 posts)
59. Maybe the kid read
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 11:58 AM
Jul 2024

The Epstein report and saw how many times trumps name was mentioned. If he knew someone who’d been abused maybe he was getting revenge on their behalf?

SpankMe

(3,425 posts)
65. Pretty weak data point
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 02:42 PM
Jul 2024

"Neighbors say". Plus, others lived in the house. No photo evidence.

Not sure we should be making hay out of this factoid.

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