This full court press and blitz can mean only one thing. The oligarchs know Biden will win!

[Solomon]

[lees1975]

1. That's exactly what I'm thinking.

That, and look who benefits and how much from all of the confusion.

[OnDoutside]

2. he ?

[Solomon]

6. Biden. I was looking for the edit button after I posted. Let me see if I can find it now.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Why did they support him the first time?

[Silent Type]

5. +1. Seems the obvious question.

[Solomon]

8. Capital gains; taxes; Not just the amount, but the idea of it.

He's pressing much harder for it than the first time around.

[Keepthesoulalive]

9. They assumed things would remain the same with the old guy

But he knew how government worked and started to make changes they don’t like, you know like helping most Americans. He has to go so they can rule. Tax breaks aren’t as important as ruling and making all people subservient.

[Solomon]

14. Prescisely. Including regulations, etc.

[calimary]

16. I'd guess THIS.

[Bettie]

30. They assumed that he would pay lip service to

helping common people, throw a few bones and then get to work on doing what they want.

He's not done that. He's worked for ordinary people.

He stood with unions.

He forgave student loans.

He has suggested that rich people pay more in taxes.

The IRS is looking at their tax returns and collecting what they owe.

There's a lot more, too much to list in the time I have.

Then, he said on Morning Joe "I don't care what billionaires think". That had to be hard for them to hear, they are used to everyone hanging on their every word.

[Uncle Joe]

43. Because he wasn't Bernie Sanders and they viewed *rump as being too dangerous or unstable.

Now they know that traitor *rump and his GOP cult are going down to defeat both in the White House and the Congress, so they're panicking.

Now they're afraid that President Biden will raise taxes on the people making over 400 thousand a year to strengthen and expand social security among other progressive reforms.

The oligarchs prefer a rough balance in power between the parties if the Republicans can't dominate so as to insure that nothing substantive for the people can be accomplished.

Oligarchs got to oligarch.

[Oliver Bolliver Butt]

46. And if this is their motivation, why not just be GOP donors?

[LiberaBlueDem]

53. They are favoring GQP

But they also finance Dems just for days like this

They only prove why we need higher taxes on the rich

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. That would mean Adam Schiff is one of these oligarch's buddies and

I do not believe that. So I want to see more information..

If it happens and Kamala is not the nominee, not only do we lose but we’re all in very big big trouble because that means we have no party left.

[Bluesaph]

70. It's all over the news. The billionaires demanding Dems dump Biden

We are theorizing on the reasons why.

It absolutely has to do with their taxes. Billionaires don’t wanna pay.

And Schiff isn’t a billionaire but he sure loves their donations!

[OnDoutside]

57. It's a great question, and maybe AOC gives a clue to what they're up to ?

It's not the bounds of possibility that once Joe wins in November that he could make way as President for Kamala, in the last two years, and to paraphrase Andrew Gillum, "maybe some people, don't want some people, to become President".

So they take him out now and somehow force him to see out his term, without making Kamala President, while bypassing her in an open convention.

[Eliot Rosewater]

59. I doubt it has to do with misogyny and racism, if it is true tech billionaires are behind this

they care about green only.

I dont get why Adam Schiff is behind it, I think I trust him. They ARE seeing polling of battleground states that show Biden behind when 4 yrs ago he was ahead, those are real.

The only alternative to that is they are controlling the polls to do this thing and I dont think I believe that.

I want ONLY to win, I dont care if the candidate is a chair.

[OnDoutside]

60. I would have thought the same, but why would they want to get rid of Harris too ?

Re the Polls, the polls are pretty unreliable, most definitely pre Labor Day....actually Peter Zeihan did an interesting vid on them today, worth a look.

[StarryNite]

4. Yup, they want those tax cuts dump is promising them.

[Solomon]

7. My wife said this immediately and there's another thread pointing this out. Biden keeps talking about making them pay

their fair share and he's a stubborn old man. Too old to be swayed away from his goals.

[DBoon]

34. and they don't want anti-trust enforcement...

... and a NLRB that will certify unions and not roll over to corporate pressure.

They want power and money.

[liberalmuse]

10. He can't be bought and they're scared sh*tless

Also, note the onslaught. The oligarchy and their bought and paid for shills want Biden to step down by the end of the weekend, apparently. Please check out every news source. It’s ramping up.

[democrattotheend]

11. That's not the only thing it can mean

That's one plausible explanation, but far from the only one. Equally plausible is that they have legit concerns about Biden's actual health and/or his electability based on perceptions of his health, and they recognize how much is at stake in this election.

[Solomon]

12. Ok. Right. They are scared of Trump giving them more power and tax cuts. Right.

[birdographer]

27. Yes, they know what is at stake

Their ability to get away with paying very little if any taxes. Oligarchs are so famous for caring deeply about a candidate's health, far more than they care about their money. Uh huh.

[relayerbob]

13. I agree.

They see another Biden term as: a - losing their freedom to do whatever the hell they want; b - being expected to pay their fair share; c - being held accountable; d - giving up their ownership of SCOTUS; e - possibly losing an entire generation to liberal thinking.

This is it, Project 2025, Agenda 47, whatever you want to call it today is now or never. The coup is continuing and they've brought it directly into our party.

[no_hypocrisy]

15. Geez, does this mean we can "look forward" to more of this in four years

after Biden wins?

[calimary]

17. Probably. They're NOT giving up OR going away.

Especially when they’re this close.

[rubbersole]

18. And stopping them will be Joe Biden's legacy.

[WiVoter]

19. I Agree!

And when he’s reelected he’ll remember to fucked him over.

[Farmer-Rick]

20. Yeah, the way the corporate media won't

Let this stupid idea of dumping Biden from the Democratic ticket die like it should have over a week ago. It is a sign of how much they fear Biden. And the fear comes from the fact that he really is very likely to win.

The polls are broken because no one answers their phone for unknown callers anymore. And people who do are kind of different. So, pollsters are extrapolating from very small samples sizes that are not really random. Some sample sizes are as small as single digits.

I think the filthy-rich know that the polls are broken and Biden will very likely win in Nov.

[yobrault1]

21. That is

exactly right. Biden, his VP and his cabinet are “We the people…” they hate that.

[barbtries]

22. yep.

it's the Democrats piling on that are making me sicker than sick.

[liberalla]

29. IKR? It's so unexpected and disappointing...

AND, it's really making me mad!

[JT45242]

23. Disappointed that Nancy pelosi can be added to the list of organ grinders monkeys

She has tarnished her legacy with this attempt to be the bully for the billionaire.

This makes me think that there really is little difference between democratic leadership and Republican is leadership...they are both simply bought and paid for mouthpieces for billionaire oligarchs.

Shame on you Nancy and your backstabbing racism going after both Biden and Harris

[liberalla]

24. Yes!

Kick!

[iemanja]

25. Sherrod Brown is quite the oligarch

These simplistic excuses demonstrate very little thought. You can oppose the calls for Biden to drop out without these empty arguments.

Here are your oligarchs: Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Adam Schiff, Betty McCollum, and many more Democratic House members, not to mention significant numbers of the electorate.

Why is it that people cannot disagree with others without turning them into the enemy, and why must they create arguments that don't hold water?

I'm familiar with Nancy Pelosi's career, and while I may not agree with her on this issue, I know she's not an oligarch. She is a loyal Democrat who has done more for the party than anyone on this board. I also know her concern is ONLY a Democratic victory in November. That doesn't mean it's not possible to disagree with her strongly on this issue, but I'm not going to create a strawman to demonize her. I don't devote myself to hating Democrats. Disagree yes, hating no.

[Desert grandma]

28. Then she and all of these other Democrats

are only helping the Orange Felon win!!!

[iemanja]

33. They see it otherwise

based no doubt on their internal polls.

[LiberaBlueDem]

40. Their internal polls from the big donors

Are telling them to say stupid stuff like they are to keep getting the easy money from the big donors.

The pols think they can say anything and still get elected because the easy money from the big donors.

We need to get rid of such pols

[iemanja]

41. What polls do big donors take

You'll have to explain how that works and which polling outfits they run. We're talking about internal polls taken by the party, not polls released by the media.

[LiberaBlueDem]

42. All polls favor Biden

And are in favor of getting rid of crooked pols

[iemanja]

44. All polls do not favor Biden

Swing state polls show him behind, and that's the public polls. We aren't privy to the party's internal polls, which are said to be far more accurate.

The 538 model shows Biden leading, but that is not the same as saying "all polls favor Biden."

[LiberaBlueDem]

47. Yes, they do favor Biden

That's why they are fighting Biden now, because they know he will win in the elections. Duh!

[iemanja]

49. Sigh

I could link to many that do not, and you know full well that's the case, so I won't bother.

[LiberaBlueDem]

51. So why is big money fighting Biden now?

Because they know they are losing to Biden

[iemanja]

52. Why isn't this big money backing Trump then

instead of the Democratic party?

[LiberaBlueDem]

54. They mainly support the GQP

But they also finance Dems so they can do what they are doing today

It's also why we don't have all the things we need

[iemanja]

56. And you base that on what?

Let's see your evidence.

And tell me why they would be so anxious to have Kamala over Biden. She is decidedly to the left of Biden.

[LiberaBlueDem]

58. They can control Kamala

Biden is beyond their control and he's gonna puch big money out of government with campaign finance reform.

[iemanja]

64. Why? What makes you think they can control her?

She's just a little ol' woman?

It's very clear to me that your arguments are baseless.

[LiberaBlueDem]

65. They control lots of pols

They can't control Biden he's been around too long

[iemanja]

68. No evidence

Just throwing shyte against the wall.

[Solomon]

35. Lol. Who said those people are the oligarchs? Those people are second layer people. They are manipulated by their fear

that losing all that mega donor money will cause us to lose the House and the Senate. We're screwed if that happens as well, so it is a good reason to be concerned. Just trying to explain why a Pelosi, Brown, Schumer or whomever, would have a reason to ask him to step down. The tradeoff being if Biden stays and wins he won't have the House and the Senate to do what he really wants to do, but if Trump wins, the democrats will keep one if not both houses of Congress.

[iemanja]

36. You don't seem to understand how elections work

The concern is that if Biden loses, the ramifications will be down ballot and Democrats may even lose the House, which would be disastrous if facing a Trump presidency. That is their fear. Yes, they are afraid--of electoral annihilation. Obviously, you see it differently, and you may be right, but it doesn't advance your case to contort their concerns into motivations that don't make sense.

[Solomon]

45. Did you actually read my reply? You're saying the same damn thing I just said. Their fear is losing the

House and or Senate if Biden stays in the race. That is a reason why they would be asking Biden to step aside. So people should stop freaking out about why they would do that.

No need to insult me about not knowing how elections work. I've probably voted in more elections than you have.

[iemanja]

50. You literally wrote the opposite of what I said

The tradeoff being if Biden stays and wins he won't have the House and the Senate to do what he really wants to do, but if Trump wins, the democrats will keep one if not both houses of Congress.

[Solomon]

66. Lol. You obviously don't understand my post.

Whoosh.

[iemanja]

67. I read English

and you wrote what you wrote. If you meant something else, you should have written that.

[Renew Deal]

61. You are correct.

It would be one thing if this was coming from celebrity supports. It's entirely different coming from Pelosi, Shumer, Shiff, Raskin, etc.

I also agree that some of the arguments attacking people's intentions are simplistic. 90% of Democrats support Biden. The same polls show 60% want him to drop out.

[broncobev1]

26. Media

All I can say is that if the MSM and reporters (I am looking at you MSNBC/nbc, CNN) we're doctor's, they would be sued for malpractice (first do no harm)

[iemanja]

39. For reporting what the politicians tell them?

They should bury the news because you don't like it. Perhaps they should establish a bat phone straight to your house so you can clear all the stories they run.

[BoRaGard]

31. They also know he will ask them to pay their fair share of taxes

Like republicons, they think they are special and should not have to pay their fair share.

[we can do it]

32. Oligarchs suck period.

[Abstractartist]

37. Also

Also, these big shitstain donors realize, a very important thing, women are going to put this election completely over the top for the blue wave. There are many ballot issues addressed to women healthcare, freedoms, etc. and our phenomenal women voters are going to do what many can’t, they can get the vote out. I salute and appreciate every and all the women in this country and will vote with them.

[LiberaBlueDem]

38. They are scared

So scared they are trying to steal the election from the common people.

[DownriverDem]

48. So disappointing

So many rank & file Dems and Dem voters will lose if trump wins: Women's rights, veterans benefits, seniors benefits LGBTQ rights, workers rights, voting rights etc I don't want Biden replaced.

[DFW]

62. It certainly indicates that big money knows it sailing into a stiff wind.

They may convince themselves that because they own enough of the media, that the population will do their bidding. But the population has benefited greaty from the Biden presidency, and the population suffered during the Trump presidency. Big money (I hate the terms oligarchs or "the rich" ) can't buy a change in the past.

[GreenWave]

63. Biden builds a robust economy. Now the bastards want to crash it and profit off it.

[RobinA]

69. This Sounds Like

a mass delusion to me. I expect they want change because they've seen the swing state polls. People are grasping at straws. For me, I like Biden and don't really care if he drops out or not. Lacking a huge name that people are dying to vote for, I just don't see this ending well.