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This full court press and blitz can mean only one thing. The oligarchs know Biden will win! (Original Post) Solomon Jul 2024 OP
That's exactly what I'm thinking. lees1975 Jul 2024 #1
he ? OnDoutside Jul 2024 #2
Biden. I was looking for the edit button after I posted. Let me see if I can find it now. Solomon Jul 2024 #6
Why did they support him the first time? Eliot Rosewater Jul 2024 #3
+1. Seems the obvious question. Silent Type Jul 2024 #5
Capital gains; taxes; Not just the amount, but the idea of it. Solomon Jul 2024 #8
They assumed things would remain the same with the old guy Keepthesoulalive Jul 2024 #9
Prescisely. Including regulations, etc. Solomon Jul 2024 #14
I'd guess THIS. calimary Jul 2024 #16
They assumed that he would pay lip service to Bettie Jul 2024 #30
Because he wasn't Bernie Sanders and they viewed *rump as being too dangerous or unstable. Uncle Joe Jul 2024 #43
And if this is their motivation, why not just be GOP donors? Oliver Bolliver Butt Jul 2024 #46
They are favoring GQP LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #53
That would mean Adam Schiff is one of these oligarch's buddies and Eliot Rosewater Jul 2024 #55
It's all over the news. The billionaires demanding Dems dump Biden Bluesaph Jul 2024 #70
It's a great question, and maybe AOC gives a clue to what they're up to ? OnDoutside Jul 2024 #57
I doubt it has to do with misogyny and racism, if it is true tech billionaires are behind this Eliot Rosewater Jul 2024 #59
I would have thought the same, but why would they want to get rid of Harris too ? OnDoutside Jul 2024 #60
Yup, they want those tax cuts dump is promising them. StarryNite Jul 2024 #4
My wife said this immediately and there's another thread pointing this out. Biden keeps talking about making them pay Solomon Jul 2024 #7
and they don't want anti-trust enforcement... DBoon Jul 2024 #34
He can't be bought and they're scared sh*tless liberalmuse Jul 2024 #10
That's not the only thing it can mean democrattotheend Jul 2024 #11
Ok. Right. They are scared of Trump giving them more power and tax cuts. Right. Solomon Jul 2024 #12
Yes, they know what is at stake birdographer Jul 2024 #27
I agree. relayerbob Jul 2024 #13
Geez, does this mean we can "look forward" to more of this in four years no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #15
Probably. They're NOT giving up OR going away. calimary Jul 2024 #17
And stopping them will be Joe Biden's legacy. rubbersole Jul 2024 #18
I Agree! WiVoter Jul 2024 #19
Yeah, the way the corporate media won't Farmer-Rick Jul 2024 #20
That is yobrault1 Jul 2024 #21
yep. barbtries Jul 2024 #22
IKR? It's so unexpected and disappointing... liberalla Jul 2024 #29
Disappointed that Nancy pelosi can be added to the list of organ grinders monkeys JT45242 Jul 2024 #23
Yes! liberalla Jul 2024 #24
Sherrod Brown is quite the oligarch iemanja Jul 2024 #25
Then she and all of these other Democrats Desert grandma Jul 2024 #28
They see it otherwise iemanja Jul 2024 #33
Their internal polls from the big donors LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #40
What polls do big donors take iemanja Jul 2024 #41
All polls favor Biden LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #42
All polls do not favor Biden iemanja Jul 2024 #44
Yes, they do favor Biden LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #47
Sigh iemanja Jul 2024 #49
So why is big money fighting Biden now? LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #51
Why isn't this big money backing Trump then iemanja Jul 2024 #52
They mainly support the GQP LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #54
And you base that on what? iemanja Jul 2024 #56
They can control Kamala LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #58
Why? What makes you think they can control her? iemanja Jul 2024 #64
They control lots of pols LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #65
No evidence iemanja Jul 2024 #68
Lol. Who said those people are the oligarchs? Those people are second layer people. They are manipulated by their fear Solomon Jul 2024 #35
You don't seem to understand how elections work iemanja Jul 2024 #36
Did you actually read my reply? You're saying the same damn thing I just said. Their fear is losing the Solomon Jul 2024 #45
You literally wrote the opposite of what I said iemanja Jul 2024 #50
Lol. You obviously don't understand my post. Solomon Jul 2024 #66
I read English iemanja Jul 2024 #67
You are correct. Renew Deal Jul 2024 #61
Media broncobev1 Jul 2024 #26
For reporting what the politicians tell them? iemanja Jul 2024 #39
They also know he will ask them to pay their fair share of taxes BoRaGard Jul 2024 #31
Oligarchs suck period. we can do it Jul 2024 #32
Also Abstractartist Jul 2024 #37
They are scared LiberaBlueDem Jul 2024 #38
So disappointing DownriverDem Jul 2024 #48
It certainly indicates that big money knows it sailing into a stiff wind. DFW Jul 2024 #62
Biden builds a robust economy. Now the bastards want to crash it and profit off it. GreenWave Jul 2024 #63
This Sounds Like RobinA Jul 2024 #69

lees1975

(6,370 posts)
1. That's exactly what I'm thinking.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:29 PM
Jul 2024

That, and look who benefits and how much from all of the confusion.

Solomon

(12,525 posts)
6. Biden. I was looking for the edit button after I posted. Let me see if I can find it now.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:44 PM
Jul 2024


Solomon

(12,525 posts)
8. Capital gains; taxes; Not just the amount, but the idea of it.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:48 PM
Jul 2024

He's pressing much harder for it than the first time around.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,128 posts)
9. They assumed things would remain the same with the old guy
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:52 PM
Jul 2024

But he knew how government worked and started to make changes they don’t like, you know like helping most Americans. He has to go so they can rule. Tax breaks aren’t as important as ruling and making all people subservient.

Bettie

(18,099 posts)
30. They assumed that he would pay lip service to
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:51 PM
Jul 2024

helping common people, throw a few bones and then get to work on doing what they want.

He's not done that. He's worked for ordinary people.

He stood with unions.

He forgave student loans.

He has suggested that rich people pay more in taxes.

The IRS is looking at their tax returns and collecting what they owe.

There's a lot more, too much to list in the time I have.

Then, he said on Morning Joe "I don't care what billionaires think". That had to be hard for them to hear, they are used to everyone hanging on their every word.

Uncle Joe

(61,222 posts)
43. Because he wasn't Bernie Sanders and they viewed *rump as being too dangerous or unstable.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:15 PM
Jul 2024

Now they know that traitor *rump and his GOP cult are going down to defeat both in the White House and the Congress, so they're panicking.

Now they're afraid that President Biden will raise taxes on the people making over 400 thousand a year to strengthen and expand social security among other progressive reforms.

The oligarchs prefer a rough balance in power between the parties if the Republicans can't dominate so as to insure that nothing substantive for the people can be accomplished.

Oligarchs got to oligarch.

LiberaBlueDem

(1,166 posts)
53. They are favoring GQP
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:58 PM
Jul 2024

But they also finance Dems just for days like this

They only prove why we need higher taxes on the rich

Eliot Rosewater

(32,806 posts)
55. That would mean Adam Schiff is one of these oligarch's buddies and
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:18 PM
Jul 2024

I do not believe that. So I want to see more information..

If it happens and Kamala is not the nominee, not only do we lose but we’re all in very big big trouble because that means we have no party left.

Bluesaph

(895 posts)
70. It's all over the news. The billionaires demanding Dems dump Biden
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 03:45 PM
Jul 2024

We are theorizing on the reasons why.

It absolutely has to do with their taxes. Billionaires don’t wanna pay.

And Schiff isn’t a billionaire but he sure loves their donations!

OnDoutside

(20,774 posts)
57. It's a great question, and maybe AOC gives a clue to what they're up to ?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:30 PM
Jul 2024

It's not the bounds of possibility that once Joe wins in November that he could make way as President for Kamala, in the last two years, and to paraphrase Andrew Gillum, "maybe some people, don't want some people, to become President".

So they take him out now and somehow force him to see out his term, without making Kamala President, while bypassing her in an open convention.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,806 posts)
59. I doubt it has to do with misogyny and racism, if it is true tech billionaires are behind this
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:42 PM
Jul 2024

they care about green only.

I dont get why Adam Schiff is behind it, I think I trust him. They ARE seeing polling of battleground states that show Biden behind when 4 yrs ago he was ahead, those are real.

The only alternative to that is they are controlling the polls to do this thing and I dont think I believe that.

I want ONLY to win, I dont care if the candidate is a chair.

OnDoutside

(20,774 posts)
60. I would have thought the same, but why would they want to get rid of Harris too ?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:52 PM
Jul 2024

Re the Polls, the polls are pretty unreliable, most definitely pre Labor Day....actually Peter Zeihan did an interesting vid on them today, worth a look.



Solomon

(12,525 posts)
7. My wife said this immediately and there's another thread pointing this out. Biden keeps talking about making them pay
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:47 PM
Jul 2024

their fair share and he's a stubborn old man. Too old to be swayed away from his goals.

DBoon

(23,622 posts)
34. and they don't want anti-trust enforcement...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:57 PM
Jul 2024

... and a NLRB that will certify unions and not roll over to corporate pressure.

They want power and money.

liberalmuse

(18,876 posts)
10. He can't be bought and they're scared sh*tless
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:53 PM
Jul 2024

Also, note the onslaught. The oligarchy and their bought and paid for shills want Biden to step down by the end of the weekend, apparently. Please check out every news source. It’s ramping up.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
11. That's not the only thing it can mean
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:12 PM
Jul 2024

That's one plausible explanation, but far from the only one. Equally plausible is that they have legit concerns about Biden's actual health and/or his electability based on perceptions of his health, and they recognize how much is at stake in this election.

birdographer

(2,891 posts)
27. Yes, they know what is at stake
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:47 PM
Jul 2024

Their ability to get away with paying very little if any taxes. Oligarchs are so famous for caring deeply about a candidate's health, far more than they care about their money. Uh huh.

relayerbob

(7,131 posts)
13. I agree.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:44 PM
Jul 2024

They see another Biden term as: a - losing their freedom to do whatever the hell they want; b - being expected to pay their fair share; c - being held accountable; d - giving up their ownership of SCOTUS; e - possibly losing an entire generation to liberal thinking.

This is it, Project 2025, Agenda 47, whatever you want to call it today is now or never. The coup is continuing and they've brought it directly into our party.

no_hypocrisy

(50,931 posts)
15. Geez, does this mean we can "look forward" to more of this in four years
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 05:48 PM
Jul 2024

after Biden wins?

Farmer-Rick

(11,708 posts)
20. Yeah, the way the corporate media won't
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:14 PM
Jul 2024

Let this stupid idea of dumping Biden from the Democratic ticket die like it should have over a week ago. It is a sign of how much they fear Biden. And the fear comes from the fact that he really is very likely to win.

The polls are broken because no one answers their phone for unknown callers anymore. And people who do are kind of different. So, pollsters are extrapolating from very small samples sizes that are not really random. Some sample sizes are as small as single digits.

I think the filthy-rich know that the polls are broken and Biden will very likely win in Nov.

yobrault1

(172 posts)
21. That is
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:16 PM
Jul 2024

exactly right. Biden, his VP and his cabinet are “We the people…” they hate that.

JT45242

(3,218 posts)
23. Disappointed that Nancy pelosi can be added to the list of organ grinders monkeys
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:38 PM
Jul 2024

She has tarnished her legacy with this attempt to be the bully for the billionaire.

This makes me think that there really is little difference between democratic leadership and Republican is leadership...they are both simply bought and paid for mouthpieces for billionaire oligarchs.

Shame on you Nancy and your backstabbing racism going after both Biden and Harris

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
25. Sherrod Brown is quite the oligarch
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:43 PM
Jul 2024

These simplistic excuses demonstrate very little thought. You can oppose the calls for Biden to drop out without these empty arguments.

Here are your oligarchs: Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Adam Schiff, Betty McCollum, and many more Democratic House members, not to mention significant numbers of the electorate.

Why is it that people cannot disagree with others without turning them into the enemy, and why must they create arguments that don't hold water?

I'm familiar with Nancy Pelosi's career, and while I may not agree with her on this issue, I know she's not an oligarch. She is a loyal Democrat who has done more for the party than anyone on this board. I also know her concern is ONLY a Democratic victory in November. That doesn't mean it's not possible to disagree with her strongly on this issue, but I'm not going to create a strawman to demonize her. I don't devote myself to hating Democrats. Disagree yes, hating no.

LiberaBlueDem

(1,166 posts)
40. Their internal polls from the big donors
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:10 PM
Jul 2024

Are telling them to say stupid stuff like they are to keep getting the easy money from the big donors.

The pols think they can say anything and still get elected because the easy money from the big donors.

We need to get rid of such pols

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
41. What polls do big donors take
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:12 PM
Jul 2024

You'll have to explain how that works and which polling outfits they run. We're talking about internal polls taken by the party, not polls released by the media.

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
44. All polls do not favor Biden
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:16 PM
Jul 2024

Swing state polls show him behind, and that's the public polls. We aren't privy to the party's internal polls, which are said to be far more accurate.

The 538 model shows Biden leading, but that is not the same as saying "all polls favor Biden."

LiberaBlueDem

(1,166 posts)
47. Yes, they do favor Biden
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:26 PM
Jul 2024

That's why they are fighting Biden now, because they know he will win in the elections. Duh!

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
49. Sigh
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:39 PM
Jul 2024

I could link to many that do not, and you know full well that's the case, so I won't bother.

LiberaBlueDem

(1,166 posts)
54. They mainly support the GQP
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:02 PM
Jul 2024

But they also finance Dems so they can do what they are doing today

It's also why we don't have all the things we need

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
56. And you base that on what?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:28 PM
Jul 2024

Let's see your evidence.

And tell me why they would be so anxious to have Kamala over Biden. She is decidedly to the left of Biden.

LiberaBlueDem

(1,166 posts)
58. They can control Kamala
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:39 PM
Jul 2024

Biden is beyond their control and he's gonna puch big money out of government with campaign finance reform.

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
64. Why? What makes you think they can control her?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:12 PM
Jul 2024

She's just a little ol' woman?

It's very clear to me that your arguments are baseless.

Solomon

(12,525 posts)
35. Lol. Who said those people are the oligarchs? Those people are second layer people. They are manipulated by their fear
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:58 PM
Jul 2024

that losing all that mega donor money will cause us to lose the House and the Senate. We're screwed if that happens as well, so it is a good reason to be concerned. Just trying to explain why a Pelosi, Brown, Schumer or whomever, would have a reason to ask him to step down. The tradeoff being if Biden stays and wins he won't have the House and the Senate to do what he really wants to do, but if Trump wins, the democrats will keep one if not both houses of Congress.




iemanja

(55,742 posts)
36. You don't seem to understand how elections work
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:04 PM
Jul 2024

The concern is that if Biden loses, the ramifications will be down ballot and Democrats may even lose the House, which would be disastrous if facing a Trump presidency. That is their fear. Yes, they are afraid--of electoral annihilation. Obviously, you see it differently, and you may be right, but it doesn't advance your case to contort their concerns into motivations that don't make sense.

Solomon

(12,525 posts)
45. Did you actually read my reply? You're saying the same damn thing I just said. Their fear is losing the
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:23 PM
Jul 2024

House and or Senate if Biden stays in the race. That is a reason why they would be asking Biden to step aside. So people should stop freaking out about why they would do that.

No need to insult me about not knowing how elections work. I've probably voted in more elections than you have.

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
50. You literally wrote the opposite of what I said
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:41 PM
Jul 2024
The tradeoff being if Biden stays and wins he won't have the House and the Senate to do what he really wants to do, but if Trump wins, the democrats will keep one if not both houses of Congress.

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
67. I read English
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 12:01 AM
Jul 2024

and you wrote what you wrote. If you meant something else, you should have written that.

Renew Deal

(83,705 posts)
61. You are correct.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:54 PM
Jul 2024

It would be one thing if this was coming from celebrity supports. It's entirely different coming from Pelosi, Shumer, Shiff, Raskin, etc.

I also agree that some of the arguments attacking people's intentions are simplistic. 90% of Democrats support Biden. The same polls show 60% want him to drop out.

broncobev1

(20 posts)
26. Media
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:45 PM
Jul 2024

All I can say is that if the MSM and reporters (I am looking at you MSNBC/nbc, CNN) we're doctor's, they would be sued for malpractice (first do no harm)

iemanja

(55,742 posts)
39. For reporting what the politicians tell them?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:06 PM
Jul 2024

They should bury the news because you don't like it. Perhaps they should establish a bat phone straight to your house so you can clear all the stories they run.

BoRaGard

(4,702 posts)
31. They also know he will ask them to pay their fair share of taxes
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:52 PM
Jul 2024

Like republicons, they think they are special and should not have to pay their fair share.



Abstractartist

(218 posts)
37. Also
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:05 PM
Jul 2024

Also, these big shitstain donors realize, a very important thing, women are going to put this election completely over the top for the blue wave. There are many ballot issues addressed to women healthcare, freedoms, etc. and our phenomenal women voters are going to do what many can’t, they can get the vote out. I salute and appreciate every and all the women in this country and will vote with them.

DownriverDem

(6,789 posts)
48. So disappointing
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:32 PM
Jul 2024

So many rank & file Dems and Dem voters will lose if trump wins: Women's rights, veterans benefits, seniors benefits LGBTQ rights, workers rights, voting rights etc I don't want Biden replaced.

DFW

(57,609 posts)
62. It certainly indicates that big money knows it sailing into a stiff wind.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:58 PM
Jul 2024

They may convince themselves that because they own enough of the media, that the population will do their bidding. But the population has benefited greaty from the Biden presidency, and the population suffered during the Trump presidency. Big money (I hate the terms oligarchs or "the rich" ) can't buy a change in the past.

RobinA

(10,286 posts)
69. This Sounds Like
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 03:41 PM
Jul 2024

a mass delusion to me. I expect they want change because they've seen the swing state polls. People are grasping at straws. For me, I like Biden and don't really care if he drops out or not. Lacking a huge name that people are dying to vote for, I just don't see this ending well.

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