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speak easy

(10,207 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:43 PM Jul 22

Trump (reportedly) dumbfounded by the president's decision on Sunday.

He could not believe that Joe Biden would willingly give up the power of the presidency. All the effort was going into securing a landslide victory. Only a skeleton staff were working on Harris oppo. No ads were being prepared against her; the RNC convention went ahead unchanged. Trump's team feared Harris; Trump did not: Biden would stay the course. Then, all hell broke loose.

Trump Is Planning For A Landslide Win
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campain-election-2024-susie-wiles-chris-lacivita/678806/

This Is Exactly What the Trump Team Feared
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campaign-biden-dropping-out/679183/

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Trump (reportedly) dumbfounded by the president's decision on Sunday. (Original Post) speak easy Jul 22 OP
I am sure Trump was. bottomofthehill Jul 22 #1
Trump's not that bright and the folks he thinks are smart, are just ass-lickers. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 22 #2
Do not be naive, Trump's campaign managers are very smart. Big Blue Marble Jul 24 #50
+1, MAGA mistakes conniving for intelligent uponit7771 Jul 24 #62
Of course he is. He literally doesn't understand people with motives other RockRaven Jul 22 #3
Literally can't process what it means to act in the public good instead of his own. meadowlander Jul 23 #14
The Sick Fuck is dumbfounded dweller Jul 22 #4
That is why he talks about flushing the toilet so often! murielm99 Jul 24 #55
He's just fucking dumb. spanone Jul 22 #5
To be fair, things like calculators and probably keychains leave him dumbfounded as well. nt Carlitos Brigante Jul 22 #6
and showers, and toilets, and home faucets, and electric boats, and empathy RussBLib Jul 22 #9
And books with words in them. CentralMass Jul 23 #29
Yes Surprise! TY.. That was fun to read Cha Jul 22 #7
Here are the links Ms. Toad Jul 23 #20
Mahalo, Ms Toad ! Cha Jul 23 #21
Those archive links didn't work for me. SunSeeker Jul 23 #22
It did for me... it was a really interesting Cha Jul 23 #23
Hmmm. Not sure what to say. Ms. Toad Jul 23 #26
Switch your DNS servers away from your isp. IbogaProject Jul 23 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author IbogaProject Jul 23 #28
Thank YOu! That ws really interesting.. Cha Jul 23 #24
Worked for me! sheshe2 Jul 23 #30
In a tiny, weeny nutshell canetoad Jul 22 #8
Trump is incapable of unselfish acts that benefit other people. lees1975 Jul 23 #10
lol blogslug Jul 23 #11
Cry me a river in Alabama. speak easy Jul 23 #17
Heh - the ol' Statue of Liberty play... Pinback Jul 23 #12
They are running anti-Kamala ads all MotownPgh Jul 23 #13
(no ads prepared before the convention) speak easy Jul 23 #15
Sacrifice and selflessness seems to not compute to him. liberalmuse Jul 23 #16
Narcissists like trump always assume that everyone is as selfish as they are... Wounded Bear Jul 23 #18
One just has to look at Trump's comments about wounded military heroes. LudwigPastorius Jul 23 #19
Looong way to go ... krkaufman Jul 23 #25
It will be interesting to see this plays out. The polls seem to have show CentralMass Jul 23 #31
People don't know Kamala yet. mwb970 Jul 23 #35
Well, she has my vote and I am willing to be impressed. CentralMass Jul 23 #36
If it wasn't planned, so glad the switch happened after the maga lovefest Hassler Jul 23 #32
you could've just left it at: "trump (reportedly) dumb" nt orleans Jul 23 #33
The loser is going to lose. mwb970 Jul 23 #34
this just gets better and better Skittles Jul 23 #37
Sauron's fatal weakness, in Lord of the Rings, anamnua Jul 23 #38
Trump's campaign team are amateurs. Irish_Dem Jul 23 #39
Actually, if you read the first article, you will realize they are not amateurs. Big Blue Marble Jul 24 #51
I reject your premise. Irish_Dem Jul 24 #54
it is not my premise that is the issue. Big Blue Marble Jul 24 #57
I still don't see a lot of superior skills in Trump's campaign staff. Irish_Dem Jul 24 #60
The only way to get it, is to spend about 45 minutes reading the Atlantic article. Big Blue Marble Jul 24 #63
Because Trump is NEVER WRONG . . . . . no_hypocrisy Jul 23 #40
I admit,after the statements made by the president that he was staying in, being very surprised when he changed his mind MichMan Jul 23 #41
So, he's only for celebrating and naming things after people who fought for the United States. Mountainguy Jul 23 #42
Trump would like to rename everything after him, speak easy Jul 23 #43
I doubt the story. former9thward Jul 23 #44
They did not have ads ready before the RNC convention. Or that is what the reporter was told. speak easy Jul 23 #45
I am not sure what that convention has to do with it. former9thward Jul 23 #46
They would have had something about Harris speak easy Jul 24 #47
Read both articles; I assure you, you will believe it. Big Blue Marble Jul 24 #49
I don't know what Trump insiders thought, former9thward Jul 24 #56
I just read both of these incredibly sobering articles. OMG Big Blue Marble Jul 24 #48
Poor Donald. Biden never even consulted him first. DFW Jul 24 #52
A necessary change of campaign slogan. keithbvadu2 Jul 24 #53
TFG cannot conceive of someone carrying for our country and not carrying for solely for himself LetMyPeopleVote Jul 24 #58
Some understand true power, some will never understand. republianmushroom Jul 24 #59
MAGA isn't full of dynamic thinkers uponit7771 Jul 24 #61

OAITW r.2.0

(27,011 posts)
2. Trump's not that bright and the folks he thinks are smart, are just ass-lickers.
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:49 PM
Jul 22

That can't think their way out of a paper bag.

Big Blue Marble

(5,416 posts)
50. Do not be naive, Trump's campaign managers are very smart.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:11 AM
Jul 24

Read the articles; they will chill you to the bone.

RockRaven

(15,897 posts)
3. Of course he is. He literally doesn't understand people with motives other
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:50 PM
Jul 22

than his own -- which are sick and twisted if you recall.

meadowlander

(4,649 posts)
14. Literally can't process what it means to act in the public good instead of his own.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:07 AM
Jul 23

We already know he thinks soldiers are suckers and losers. What in his life has prepared him to understand what Joe did?

murielm99

(31,203 posts)
55. That is why he talks about flushing the toilet so often!
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 05:43 AM
Jul 24

He probably stands there and watches the toilet flush, over and over. It is fascinating for his tiny mind.

RussBLib

(9,473 posts)
9. and showers, and toilets, and home faucets, and electric boats, and empathy
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:57 PM
Jul 22

The lies about every little thing can wear you down if you let them. Kamala hasn't let them wear her down. Every Dem I know is PUMPED, and it's been a long time since I felt that.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

Cha

(302,626 posts)
7. Yes Surprise! TY.. That was fun to read
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:56 PM
Jul 22

but when I go to the link it fades away. I'm too tired for a free trial..

Ms. Toad

(35,173 posts)
20. Here are the links
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:45 AM
Jul 23
https://archive.li/MIx6G

https://archive.li/rh9bZ

(Just an FYI: You can get around most paywalls by copying the URL, then going to archive.li and pasting the URL in the first box. If it's been archived before it will come up. If not, it will take several minutes. Both of these were already archived.)

IbogaProject

(3,315 posts)
27. Switch your DNS servers away from your isp.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 02:05 AM
Jul 23

Your ISP likely has archive.is on block, you have to move your name servers to someone else. It's how the web urls get pointed to an ip address.
Search this plus your operating system.

how to change dns server
Google
8.8.8.8
&
8.8.4.4
There are also
1.1.1.1
9.9.9.9
and others.

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #22)

Cha

(302,626 posts)
24. Thank YOu! That ws really interesting..
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 01:31 AM
Jul 23
On the Republican side, it caps a frenetic four-month stretch in which Trump’s campaign went from cocky about Biden’s deficiencies to fearful of his ouster to stunned at the sudden letter from Biden doing the thing Republicans thought he’d never do.

They thought his "Irish Ego was too stubborn."

canetoad

(17,799 posts)
8. In a tiny, weeny nutshell
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:56 PM
Jul 22

Part of being a stoic involves preparing yourself by considering every possible option. Both adverse and beneficial. In this preparation lies the path of success and happiness.

Suck on it repubs.

lees1975

(5,116 posts)
10. Trump is incapable of unselfish acts that benefit other people.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:02 AM
Jul 23

He measures the worth of everything by monetary value. The kind of consideration that went in to Biden's selfless act is beyond is ability to understand.

And this is the guy Evangelical Christians have turned to as their new savior.

blogslug

(38,458 posts)
11. lol
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:05 AM
Jul 23

I know. I know. A lot can happen between now and election day but my goodness, these maga tears are tasty.

MotownPgh

(257 posts)
13. They are running anti-Kamala ads all
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:07 AM
Jul 23

evening in the Pittsburgh market. I'd say about 2 an hour on both stations we've watched tonight. Border and lying about Joe Biden's condition. (With video of Present Joe falling down)

liberalmuse

(18,832 posts)
16. Sacrifice and selflessness seems to not compute to him.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:12 AM
Jul 23

They guy who called our troops, “suckers and losers” will soon be both.

Wounded Bear

(60,024 posts)
18. Narcissists like trump always assume that everyone is as selfish as they are...
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:31 AM
Jul 23

That's how they justify cheating and gaming the system. They think "everybody does it" so are surprised when other don't.

LudwigPastorius

(10,276 posts)
19. One just has to look at Trump's comments about wounded military heroes.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:40 AM
Jul 23

"I don't get it. What was in it for them?"

He is mentally incapable of understanding altruism, patriotism, and self sacrifice.

CentralMass

(15,437 posts)
31. It will be interesting to see this plays out. The polls seem to have show
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 02:17 AM
Jul 23

The Orange Anus up by 1.9% on Biden after the debate and up on Harris by 1.5%. Not an insurmountable lead but with a consensus that tha race will be won or lost in the electoral college and that Biden would probably lose the swing states and the election as as a result
Is it PA. WI and MI? I think so. The hope/bet is that VP Harris will poll/do better.in the swing states.

mwb970

(11,570 posts)
35. People don't know Kamala yet.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 02:35 AM
Jul 23

As they find out about her they will realize that now they have someone to vote for, instead of against.

I haven't been this optimistic in years.

Hassler

(3,517 posts)
32. If it wasn't planned, so glad the switch happened after the maga lovefest
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 02:20 AM
Jul 23

Happened after the Chump spectacle. If it was planned, even better.

anamnua

(1,273 posts)
38. Sauron's fatal weakness, in Lord of the Rings,
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 04:17 AM
Jul 23

Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2024, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)

which was correctly identified by Gandalf and formed the cornerstone of his strategy, was that he could not conceive of anyone voluntarily giving up the ring of power.
Here’s looking to Mordor crashing down in November.

Irish_Dem

(55,557 posts)
39. Trump's campaign team are amateurs.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 05:41 AM
Jul 23

They did not have contingency plans ready.

Also the Dems are running a tight ship.

Big Blue Marble

(5,416 posts)
51. Actually, if you read the first article, you will realize they are not amateurs.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:17 AM
Jul 24

They are surprisingly and scarily smart. And if Biden had not dropped out
they were probably guiding the campaign to a landslide and loss of both
house. in other words, a nightmare.

Even now, the Harris campaign will be wise to not underestimate them.
And we should not either. (The long article is really worth your time)

Big Blue Marble

(5,416 posts)
57. it is not my premise that is the issue.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:55 PM
Jul 24

It was theirs. This was most likely this article that convinced Pelosi, the majority of Congress,
and maybe even Biden that he had step aside. It is chilling.how close they came to it working.

It was predicated on the perceived weakness of Biden and the actual lack of enthusiasm in
the base, plus making inroads into the minority votes in the swing states. And it was
clearly working. They and all of us were looking at realignment election that would have
destroyed our constitutional democracy.

Irish_Dem

(55,557 posts)
60. I still don't see a lot of superior skills in Trump's campaign staff.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:27 PM
Jul 24

All the cheating, gaslighting, and election crimes are not a skillful campaign.
It is a sign of weakness that they have to cheat to win.

They are good crooks, I will agree to that.

Big Blue Marble

(5,416 posts)
63. The only way to get it, is to spend about 45 minutes reading the Atlantic article.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 03:47 PM
Jul 24

The author explained that this was a far better and much more organized campaign than
2016 or 2020.

These campaign managers were implementing their theory of the campaign and it
was working. If you need proof, look at the CNN poll released today. Look where the country was
headed Sunday morning. They had substantially weakened Biden's 2020 coalition.
The only thing that was going to change the trajectory or the election, was for Biden to step down.

Of course it is a moot point now and they are undone. I would not be surprise if
Trump fires them.

And stop underestimating Trump, the cheating, lying and attempted steal of the government,
even the crimes and conviction do not matter to one half of American citizens.
Why? I do not know, but they just do not. Gaslighting works. That is why demagogues always use it.

MichMan

(12,581 posts)
41. I admit,after the statements made by the president that he was staying in, being very surprised when he changed his mind
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:46 AM
Jul 23

I think most people here were as well

Mountainguy

(896 posts)
42. So, he's only for celebrating and naming things after people who fought for the United States.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:46 PM
Jul 23

I guess that means he wants to rename everything named after a Confederate. I guess he also favors renaming his home state.

Somebody should ask him.

former9thward

(33,050 posts)
44. I doubt the story.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:25 PM
Jul 23

Minutes after the Biden announcement the Trump campaign had anti-Harris ads running in the battleground states. They were prepared for it.

former9thward

(33,050 posts)
46. I am not sure what that convention has to do with it.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:14 PM
Jul 23

Do you think the convention would have had a different result if they knew Biden would drop out?

Big Blue Marble

(5,416 posts)
49. Read both articles; I assure you, you will believe it.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:07 AM
Jul 24

They had a brilliant strategy that was working all too well. His campaign managers are
serious professionals who had became overly confident that Biden would not drop out.

They will have to reshuffle much of their campaign and are not really prepared
at all for what has occurred,,thankfully as they were planning to for a landslide
and a down ballot wipe out and it was working.

former9thward

(33,050 posts)
56. I don't know what Trump insiders thought,
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:26 AM
Jul 24

but if they thought that then they were aligned with the vast majority of DU who insisted Biden would never drop out.

Big Blue Marble

(5,416 posts)
48. I just read both of these incredibly sobering articles. OMG
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:51 AM
Jul 24

That was terrifying to read how effectively they were running a campaign based on
the perceived weaknesses of Biden's age and mental health.

It is amazing how close we were to the abyss. Thank you President Biden and thank your
VP Harris. Now we are all going win. it was the right thing to do.

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