JD Vance called Native Americans the 'enemy' and Indigenous Peoples Day a 'fake holiday'

[Bundbuster]

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported Tuesday that when Vance argued last year against renaming the Wayne National Forest in Ohio, he referred to Native Americans as the "enemy." On another occasion, the GOP's 2024 vice presidential nominee called Indigenous People's Day — which some cities celebrate instead of Columbus Day — a "fake holiday."

Wayne National forest is named for Major General Anthony Wayne, who massacred Indigenous people during the Northwest Indian War, most notably during the Battle of Fallen Timbers in present-day Maumee, Ohio. When making his case against changing the name of the forest in spite of requests from Indigenous tribes, Vance wrote that "[Wayne] fought wars and won peace for our government, the government you now serve, and hewed Ohio out of rugged wilderness and occupied enemy territory."

Vance's disparaging comments about a holiday celebrating Indigenous culture in 2021 are also being scrutinized in the wake of the Ohio senator's selection as Trump's running mate. ICT Journalist Mary Annette Pember of the Red Cliff Ojibwe Tribal Nation in Wisconsin dug up a tweet from Vance during President Joe Biden's first year in office in which the eventual Ohio seantor wrote: “Indigenous Peoples’ Day is a fake holiday created to sow division. Of course Joe Biden is the first president to pay it any attention."

"A half a millennium ago Columbus used technology developed in Europe to sail across a giant ocean and discover a new continent. Today we celebrate that daring and ingenuity," he wrote in a follow-up tweet. "Happy Columbus Day!"

https://www.alternet.org/vance-native-americans/

tRump now has a twin pig to run with.

[Ocelot II]

1. Has he run out of ethnic groups to insult yet?

[Retrograde]

11. IMHO he's barely gotten started

He's got the whole continents of Africa and Asia to insult, and much of South America.

I observe Oct. 12 as "Encounter Day", and I'll give Columbus credit for being a daring and competent mariner (I'm still amazed that he could find his way back to Spain, and then back to the Caribbean again. Must have been that new-fangled Arabic and Chinese technologies he used, such as astrolabes, sextants, and compasses)

[paleotn]

65. Very well said....

Reminds me of when I was teenager. Hostage crises in Iran. The general memes going around (we didn't know what memes were back then) about Middle Easterners. You can imagine. My paternal uncle, one of the family's unofficial historians, stopped me once and said "Those people had some of the most advanced civilizations on earth when our people were running around in rags, living in squalid stone and thatch hovels, stealing each other's cattle. So show a little damn respect." That rebuke left a mark and stuck with me. The British isles were the ass end of the civilized world for quite a while.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Is JD still playing Cowboys and Indians?

[COL Mustard]

75. I think the new game is Cowboys and Good Guys.

The indigenous people who were here lived amongst themselves and had a traditional way of life until we came along.

[madaboutharry]

3. This guy is going to turn out to be Sarah Palin with a law degree.

They didn’t vet him. Or maybe they did, which is even scarier.

We were told that Trump was running a more professional campaign this time. I guess not.

[JCMach1]

7. Sarah Palin with 0 charisma

[Ocelot II]

13. Palin was selected to try to attract the votes of women, plus men who

might inexplicably think she was hot. Vance is going to chase women away screaming, and it's hard to imagine anyone of either sex finding attractive a hostile, pudgy, eyeliner-wearing neckbeard who oozes incel vibes from every pore.

[LeftInTX]

16. LOL!!

Creepy Orson Welles vibes..just add eyeliner...

[oasis]

20. Orson could mesmerize, JD only puts 'em to sleep.

[BoRaGard]

27. Paging Dr. Nerdlove

[llmart]

52. What a great description of that twerp.

He probably thinks Columbus used a GPS when talking about technology.

[keep_left]

83. Wow...just wow...

...that's quite possibly the best bon mot I've ever read here!

Savage!!

[LiberalFighter]

19. Vetting by his boys?

[B.See]

26. A more professional campaign? Unity? NOT A CHANCE

Vance's selection was Typical of Trump's arrogance and MALEVOLENCE...

a deliberate doubling down on MALICE.

Vance says exactly what Trump/THEY think.

[riversedge]

44. I can't see Trump getting along with Vance for very long-both have ego's too big

for each other.

Both Vance and Trump are used to getting their way.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. He's thrilled to be with Vancy Pants

[IronLionZion]

69. I'm convinced a lot of qualified people said No to joining Trump's ticket

JD Vance probably was not the first choice.

[TheKentuckian]

84. Today I saw him called the Ron DeSantis of Sarah Palin's

Wrung very true.

[Aristus]

4. "Discover a new continent".

What a dickhead.

It wasn't new, shit-for-brains, and he didn't discover it!

[Deuxcents]

55. The Vikings were here hundreds of years before Columbus.

There is physical evidence to support that. The French were here, too, and the Indigenous Peoples lived here for centuries before Columbus. His racist rhetoric is right up TSF’s alley.

[PortTack]

5. Absolutely no words...none I can use here anyway!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Ignorant and unempathic are two I would start with, but not stop there. . . . . nt

[livetohike]

6. Vile human. Trump picked a real winner with

this one. I predict Vance will be out by the end of the month. Trump has to do something to get his campaign noticed.

[Clouds Passing]

8. Self-sabotage, let him keep going.

[Solly Mack]

9. He spouts ignorance like a professional.

[Think. Again.]

17. He IS a professional republican, so yeah, ignorant.

[Solly Mack]

82. Exactly

[Raven123]

10. I realize the playing field was different, but why didn't Tim Ryan expose this guy in the 2022 Senate race?

A lot of his xenophobic, racist, misogynistic comments go way back.

[yardwork]

15. Good question.

[Xavier Breath]

67. He was too busy throwing footballs at televisions

with words like "woke" and "defund the police" on them to actually address his opponents many shortfalls. What a wasted opportunity.

[Blue Owl]

12. The great white dopes

[Dem2theMax]

43. You win!

[yardwork]

14. This should hurt him in MI, WI, and MN.

There are no Indian tribes left in Ohio (thanks to people like Vance).

[Botany]

35. Not to mention Arizona, New Mexico, Alaska, the Dakotas, and even in lost causes like Oklahoma

Link to tweet

?lang=en

[yardwork]

50. Right, I forgot about AZ. I was thinking just of swing states.

[Ocelot II]

38. Here in MN we have a Native American lieutenant governor,

(White Earth Ojibwe) who started her career as an organizer for the urban Native community, and as LG she has done a lot of work as the state's liaison with the tribes - there are 11 reservations in MN and a large Native population in Minneapolis. I'm sure LG Flanagan will have something to say about Vance's attitude toward her people. On the somewhat unlikely chance that Gov. Walz is selected as Harris' running mate (he's on the list), she'd become our Governor and the highest-ranking Native woman in elected office in the nation.

[yardwork]

47. That is awesome!

[yorkster]

41. It should hurt him all over, so to speak.

Terrible to believe these things. Even worse to spout them.

[yorkster]

42. To be clear, hurt him politically.

[Vogon_Glory]

46. And if you want to needle him further

Display a model of a Viking long ship outside an R rally. The Vikings encountered North America centuries before Columbus and there are a lot of voters in MN and WI of Scandinavian descent.

[yardwork]

48. Oooh. Good point. They were the first Europeans to "discover" the continent.

[MagickMuffin]

18. And his wife is fine with this racism?

I guess some people don’t care about it.

[Dem4life1234]

25. She looks tired and old

Like he sapped the life out of her.

[mercuryblues]

57. Melanie and Usha prove

there are jobs that Americans won't take.

[dchill]

77. Duzy!

[radius777]

86. Vance's wife is American,

she was born in San Diego.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usha_Vance

[Linda ladeewolf]

78. Vance told his wife

That she is fine with racism cause he says so. He seems like that kind of guy.

[Bitbit]

21. Pig is right

Entitled, ignorant, albino pig.

I feel bad for comparing him to a pig. Pigs are actually pretty cool.

[malaise]

22. Of course he did

Rec

[JI7]

23. Does anyone ever bring this up in person to him ?

I mean actually ask him and not just accept some bs response.

[Dem4life1234]

24. He has the charisma of a turd.

He's nothing but an ignorant crackbaby.

[Ocelot II]

29. But turds can be used for fertilizer.

I don't think Vance is even that useful.

[Dem4life1234]

79. Yeah turds are at least beneficial to the Earth.

[BoRaGard]

31. Paging Dr. Turdlove

[keithbvadu2]

37. Remember Dubya's guy, Turdblossom?

[Lulu KC]

28. Yuk

I am disgusted.

[MontanaMama]

30. Keep digging you doughy pantload.

keep digging.

[Lulu KC]

32. Yuk.

I am disgusted.

[dalton99a]

33. Low-life scum with a Yale degree

[Joinfortmill]

34. He's so thoroughly dislikable.

[riversedge]

36. JD vance: "Of course Joe Biden is the first president to pay it any attention."..

I really would love for someone to give Vance a swift kick where it hurts!

ICT Journalist Mary Annette Pember of the Red Cliff Ojibwe Tribal Nation in Wisconsin dug up a tweet from Vance during President Joe Biden's first year in office in which the eventual Ohio seantor wrote: “Indigenous Peoples’ Day is a fake holiday created to sow division. Of course Joe Biden is the first president to pay it any attention."

[Vogon_Glory]

39. Indigenous People's Day is a satisfactory replacement for Columbus Day

Columbus Day was an artificial holiday to begin with. Columbus never landed on any part of North America and the first Europeans known to have landed there were Vikings. IMO, Columbus Day is a holiday that can be retired: we don't need to honor the Divine Rights of Kings or the Doctrine of Conquest.

And the people who were oppressed by Spanish imperialism and the other imperialisms of western Europe deserve to be remembered.


And yeah, I'm a descendant of Northern Europeans (mostly English). Bite me.

[keithbvadu2]

40. JD, then you'll agree that Christmas is a fake holiday. Right?

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=673&q=Christmas+not+jesus+birthday&cvid=c3bb0191e56048b19aef904f82c1809e&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQDIGCAQQABhAMgYIBRAAGEAyBggGEAAYQDIGCAcQABhAMgYICBAAGEDSAQkxMTIyM2owajGoAgiwAgE&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531

[MustLoveBeagles]

45. What an asshole

[GB_RN]

49. What Was It That Tennessee Repuke Said About Harris?

Something about her being a DEI hire and “that when you go down that route, you get mediocrity.”

There’s a shitload of projection there. I mean, their whole ticket is mediocrity AT BEST. Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent is way worse than mediocre and Vance? Regardless of where he went to college/law school, that POS is the poster child for Repuke mediocrity. And his statements about anything at all, are evidence.

[polichick]

54. Vance is determined to make skin crawl all across the nation.

[SalviaBlue]

56. "Pig" was the first word that came to mind when I read this.

What a PIG!

[Javaman]

58. He really is a very special kind of fucking stupid nt

[Wednesdays]

80. Here's a meme for him

[duncang]

59. Another reason tfg chose him

Tfg had a long running feud with native Americans. He considered them a threat to his casino. He was pissed about a Native American casino opening. Foxwood opened in the 90’s and he was screaming mad.

[roamer65]

60. Vance is one of those people you want to see on the back of the milk carton during breakfast.

[GreenWave]

61. From my youth I remember a song but not the lyrics well.

Recall Sand Creek and Ouachita Rivers.
That's where the creeks ran red with blood.
Women, children lying all over
babies dying like dogs in the mud

But it's one little, two little , three little Indians
four little, five little, six little Indians
seven little, eight little nine little ten
Ten little Indians will never dance again.

But Crazy Horse was a mighty man
he was the chief of the great Cheyenne


Sioux and Cheyenne did entail
forts along the Bozeman Trail

I probably messed it up again as the second verse pains me each time I rethink it. It told me quite clearly that they tried to brainwash children into accepting genocide with that nursery rhyme.

God damn you JD Vance. If you could only be sent back to the Little Big Horn to get your comeuppance.

[Bayard]

71. Ummm....Crazy Horse was Oglala Sioux

And a war leader, not a chief.

Interesting lyrics. Do you know who sang it?

[GreenWave]

85. A group in Canada is all I can remember

I did some updating here. I believe calling Crazy Horse the leader of Cheyenne is because Lakota and Cheyenne were often allies,

On June 17, 1876, Crazy Horse led a combined group of approximately 1,500 Lakota and Cheyenne in a surprise attack against brevetted Brigadier General George Crook's force of 1,000 cavalry and infantry, and allied 300 Crow and Shoshone warriors in the Battle of the Rosebud. The battle, although not substantial in terms of human losses, delayed Crook's joining the 7th Cavalry under George A. Custer. It contributed to Custer's subsequent defeat at the Battle of the Little Bighorn

Maybe the group was using "artistic license" ?

[GusBob]

62. As someone who lived and worked on an Rez for almost 7 years could I just say

Disclaimer 1005 European Male, 10 year IHS physician, now working for a Wisconsin Tribe

1. We all know Trump hates NDNs because their Casinos don’t go bankrupt
2. The ones that vote, vote Blue of course. Getting them to vote is sometimes a thing. Some want to have nothing to do with the white mans ways. Especially the isolated Tribes with self governance.There are other issues too, weather, transportation, accurate addresses etc. Some have more problems in their lives that just keep them busy
3. Indigenous day is a good thing, but a founders birthday or a pow wow are more culturally significant. Our clinic would always celebrate Thanksgiving, I would ask: isn’t that an occupation oppression day? They would invariably say: ‘ meh, we just like the food’ and laugh.
4. Vance’s comments will have more impact on non native voters, especially in Midwest NDN country. Their culture is important up in here
My experience has been there is still hostility between the Whites and Natives. Especially out West and Alaska. At first on the Rez I experienced resentment ( it went away with time, I helped a lot of people) In the local redneck town I learned to never reveal what I did or lived to strangers

[comradebillyboy]

63. Mad Anthony Wane also put down the Whiskey Rebellion

for President Washington. Whatever his other flaws he certainly knew how to stamp out a seditious rebellion.

[DBoon]

64. "Columbus was accused by some of his contemporaries of significant brutality "

As a colonial governor, Columbus was accused by some of his contemporaries of significant brutality and removed from the post. Columbus's strained relationship with the Crown of Castile and its colonial administrators in America led to his arrest and removal from Hispaniola in 1500, and later to protracted litigation over the privileges he and his heirs claimed were owed to them by the crown.

- Wikipedia

I have a hard time imagining what "significant brutality" looked like to the 16th century Spanish government. For Columbus to be removed from his post for brutality makes him a truly evil MF.

This is not someone worth a national holiday.

[Skittles]

66. you know what was a fake holiday?

celebrating someone "discovering" a country WHERE PEOPLE ALREADY LIVED

[IronLionZion]

68. Does he know that Native Americans vote?

There are a significant portion of the electorate in western states like Arizona and New Mexico. Idiot.

[BaronChocula]

70. "Hi, I'm JD Vance...

Follow me for ways to keep making new friends."

[Bayard]

72. Vance is a complete and total asshole,

And he's not quiet about it. He may be the straw that breaks trump's back.

[yellowcanine]

73. Columbus never set foot on North America.

Ignorant twit.

[spanone]

74. Keep it up vance, people need to know what utter shitstains you are...

[ananda]

76. What century is he living in?

Un-fucking-believable

[maxsolomon]

81. During the war Vance was referring to, Native Americans were "the Enemy"

as they were allied with the British, who were supposed to have withdrawn from the NW Territories. They didn't, until after Fallen Timbers in 1794.

It was a rout that lasted just over an hour, but it was an actual battle that Native American warriors willingly participated in, not a "massacre" as we understand that term (like Wounded Knee). Their leaders got killed or wounded quickly, and they fled, then the British refused to allow them to shelter in Fort Miami.

Accounts vary on the number of dead:

Wayne's army had lost 33 men and had about 100 wounded. They reported that they had found 30–40 dead warriors. Alexander McKee, an official of the British Indian Department, reported that the Indian confederacy lost 19 warriors killed, including Chief Turkey Foot of the Ottawa. Six white men fighting on the Native American side were also killed, and Chiefs Egushawa and Little Otter of the Ottawa were wounded.

In that context, saying Vance was calling all Native Americans "the Enemy" is a stretch.

And all holidays are fake - except the Solstices and Equinoxes.