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Melinda

(5,465 posts)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:01 PM Dec 2012

Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low

A constant conservative charge against President Obama is that he is inherently anti-business. However, businesses keep defying the storyline by making larger and larger profits, rebounding nicely out of the Great Recession.

In the third quarter of this year, “corporate earnings were $1.75 trillion, up 18.6% from a year ago.” Corporations are currently making more as a percentage of the economy than they ever have since such records were kept. But at the same time, wages as a percentage of the economy are at an all-time low, as this chart shows. (The red line is corporate profits; the blue line is private sector wages.):



Corporations made a record $824 billion in profits last year as well, while the stock market has had one of its best performances since 1900 while Obama has been in office.

Meanwhile, workers are getting the short end of the stick. As CNN Money explained, “a separate government reading shows that total wages have now fallen to a record low of 43.5% of GDP. Until 1975, wages almost always accounted for at least half of GDP, and had been as high as 49% as recently as early 2001.”


Article and citations at Think Progress

There is something inherently obscene about the above. When people have to choose between medicine or rent, shoes for their children or hot water to bathe in, it's time to start demanding a living wage for ALL American workers. Long past time.
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Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low (Original Post) Melinda Dec 2012 OP
Rinse, repeat Cal Carpenter Dec 2012 #1
So much for the trickle-down theory Ya Basta Dec 2012 #2
Four decades of steady decline. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #3
Indeed... I've been thinking the same thing for years now. Melinda Dec 2012 #4
Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #28
It apparently isnt bad enough to get the Republicans out of Congress. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #5
Excellent graphic dreamnightwind Dec 2012 #6
Same shit, different year. More for them less for us. Initech Dec 2012 #7
THIS ^^^^ is the single Most Important Post on DU... bvar22 Dec 2012 #8
Truth-Out: Five Facts About America's Pathological Wealth Distribution Melinda Dec 2012 #10
Neato! Our distribution is worse than countries with Sultans and kings. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #14
Senator Wellstone! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #11
Amen. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #12
But that's OK.... kentuck Dec 2012 #9
This graph is a talking point all by itself... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #13
C'mon people! Who cares about this???? AlbertCat Dec 2012 #15
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #16
Movie "Idiocracy"-everybody lived on corporate dividends ErikJ Dec 2012 #17
There is something inherently obscene when the electorate returns the likes of indepat Dec 2012 #18
What happened around 1970? moondust Dec 2012 #19
Inflation started kicking into high gear around 1971, Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #22
Wouldn't inflation affect corporate profits as well? moondust Dec 2012 #23
Inflation meant higher corporate profits in actual dollar terms Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #24
Thanks Art. moondust Dec 2012 #25
I should add that Great Society programs, Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #26
What happened in 1970 - 1972 was OPEC and what we now call the Too Big To Fail banks. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #27
this should be on the front page of every newspaper. joeunderdog Dec 2012 #20
The Bush years tell the story---WOW young_at_heart Dec 2012 #21
See no evil...etc. progressoid Dec 2012 #35
kr. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #29
I keep wondering marions ghost Dec 2012 #30
People will put up with it until they are starving davidn3600 Dec 2012 #31
I guess that's how marions ghost Dec 2012 #34
It took a Great Depression just to get the New Deal enacted into law. Selatius Dec 2012 #32
For some people marions ghost Dec 2012 #33
Thank GAWD it passed! nt Romulox Dec 2012 #36
 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
3. Four decades of steady decline.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:14 PM
Dec 2012

The good news is that we are fast approaching the point where a critical mass of people have had all they can or will take.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
28. Agreed
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:23 AM
Dec 2012

The working folks have had more than enough. It's a grassroots response and naturally disorganized, but they are pushing back.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
6. Excellent graphic
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:32 PM
Dec 2012

and so sad!

Seems to me this is the inevitable result of tax policy, trade policy, and labor policy, all of which were rigged by corporate lobbyists and corporate-sponsored politicians to accomplish exactly what we see in this chart.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
8. THIS ^^^^ is the single Most Important Post on DU...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:51 PM
Dec 2012

...since the announcement of the Re-Election of President Obama.

THIS should be at the VERY TOP of the National Dialog.

THIS MUST be REVERSED,
and a meager 3-1/2% tax hike on the very RICH ain't gonna do that job.

As a unified Democratic Party (The Party of the Working Class), we should be fighting FOR the Tax and Trade Policies (International, Interstate, & Local) of the 50s and 60s that built the largest, wealthiest, and most upwardly mobile Working Class the WORLD has ever seen.



[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
[/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
[/font]


"By their WORKS you will know them."


[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity![/font]

Melinda

(5,465 posts)
10. Truth-Out: Five Facts About America's Pathological Wealth Distribution
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:32 PM
Dec 2012

This one too. I keep thinking WP will be posting it as an OP any moment...

PAUL BUCHHEIT FOR BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT

The Rich Get Richer

Most people associate inequality with the income gap. As distorted as the distribution of income may be, our wealth distribution is even more extreme. Americans are beginning to realize that years of preferential tax treatment for the rich, under the guise of "supply-side job creation" nonsense, have bloated the fortunes of the super-rich to a level that would make Rockefeller and Carnegie envious.

1. We're close to being the most unequal country in the world.

Among countries with at least a quarter-million adults, only Russia, Ukraine, and Lebanon are more unequal, according to the most recent figures from Credit Suisse Research.

An earlier report by the same research team had indicated that Denmark and Switzerland were more unequal than the United States. While Switzerland is still high in the new data listing, ranking 18th, Denmark is actually rather equal relative to other countries, and received its dubious earlier position due to its own accurate reporting of household debt, as will be noted in Fact 5 below.

2. Wealth accumulation has been rigged for the rich.

The richest quintile of Americans owns 93% of non-home wealth. For Americans with incomes over $10 million, nearly half of their income comes from capital gains and dividends, on most of which they pay only a 15% tax. From 2002 to 2007, two-thirds of all income went to the richest 1%. Then, in the first year after the recession, a startling 93% of all new income went to the richest 1%.

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17669-five-facts-about-america-s-pathological-wealth-distribution

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
14. Neato! Our distribution is worse than countries with Sultans and kings.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:03 PM
Dec 2012

American capitalisim...making feudalism look better by the day.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
13. This graph is a talking point all by itself...
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:02 PM
Dec 2012

It just screams, It ain't happening for us!", isn't it? What a graph!

Another thing... If I hear one more news person mention how we might include extending the 2 percentage point Social Security payroll tax cut, I will punch them right through the TV set.

How dumb are we supposed to be in thinking that defunding what we rightfully pay into for our own safety net should be fucking ROBBED, anyway?

What the fuck, people...



 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. C'mon people! Who cares about this????
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:17 PM
Dec 2012

Don't you know there's a BLACK MAN in the White House????

What are we gonna do????



















(do I need this?)

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
17. Movie "Idiocracy"-everybody lived on corporate dividends
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:34 PM
Dec 2012

I think thats how it went. Are we headed to the same thing. WHen the corporations dont need human workers anymore and everybody is unemployed, that might be the only option.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
18. There is something inherently obscene when the electorate returns the likes of
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:04 AM
Dec 2012

Heron Bachmann, Herr Cantor, Herr Ryan, and Herr Boehner to office considering they and their ilk are the architects of the policies which have driven wages down.

moondust

(19,985 posts)
19. What happened around 1970?
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:21 AM
Dec 2012

It looks like a very favorable wage environment for workers going into that ~1970 recession but then something apparently happened to turn the tables. Did Nixon do something?

???

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
22. Inflation started kicking into high gear around 1971,
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:03 AM
Dec 2012

and wages started lagging behind the inflation rate.

Then in the '80s, Reagan's tax cuts for the rich (bringing the top rate down first from 70% to 50%, and then from 50% to 28%) while imposing higher payroll taxes on workers exacerbated the income gap. The '80s also saw an acceleration of outsourcing of high-wage jobs and a growing shift toward lower-paying service jobs.

moondust

(19,985 posts)
23. Wouldn't inflation affect corporate profits as well?
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:34 AM
Dec 2012

Doesn't inflation affect everything more or less equally?

The graph makes it look like around 1968-70 something drastic suddenly jarred corporate profits out of a slump and started wages on a long decline, like maybe a law was passed or something. ??

Did the Dem convention of 1968 change public sentiment that much?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
24. Inflation meant higher corporate profits in actual dollar terms
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:49 AM
Dec 2012

That is, corporations raised prices of goods to compensate for their higher costs, but did not give their employees cost-of-living pay increases that kept up with the inflation rate. Or, sometimes they laid off workers and pocketed the difference.

Having lived during that era, I would say that increased corporate profits in the late '60s could have been spurred by escalation of the war in Vietnam and increased defense spending, as well as the Space Race, while the '70s saw the transition to a fully fiat currency, Nixon's wage-price controls, and two oil crises, among other things.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
26. I should add that Great Society programs,
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:40 AM
Dec 2012

which were getting into high gear in the mid-'60s, helped to put more disposable income in the pockets of people in the lowest income brackets, who would be more inclined to put that money right back in circulation.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
27. What happened in 1970 - 1972 was OPEC and what we now call the Too Big To Fail banks.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:49 AM
Dec 2012

The OPEC nations, especially Saudi Arabia, after robbing America and the world, began pouring unprecedented mountains of money into these institutions and created the monsters that are devouring the world today.

I don't suppose you want a really detailed explanation, but you see how that blue line (wages) peaks about 1969, and that red line (corporate profits) hits its nadir about 1971? Well, that's when the the world as we built it ended.

Had Nixon not been a wholly owned subsidiary of oil money as well as a severely damaged sociopath unable to see past his own rage and insecurity and had he done what a better man would have and listened to the people he purported to lead, well the world today would be a completely different, and almost certainly much better, place today.

joeunderdog

(2,563 posts)
20. this should be on the front page of every newspaper.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:51 AM
Dec 2012

they'll still claim that this is precisely how we can help the poor.

young_at_heart

(3,768 posts)
21. The Bush years tell the story---WOW
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:00 AM
Dec 2012

After 2000 the change is simply unbelievable. You'd think the diehard GOPers would take notice of how they hare been marginalized!

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
30. I keep wondering
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:01 AM
Dec 2012

how long people will put up with this.

Americans capacity for taking blow after blow is amazing.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
31. People will put up with it until they are starving
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:09 AM
Dec 2012

No one is going to risk their job and put their family in jeopardy.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
34. I guess that's how
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:36 AM
Dec 2012

people ultimately get turned into trons for the rich.

I see people doing heroic things to keep going in America. Losing everything because of illness, worrying constantly, stressed and ready to snap--but they keep chugging. I admire American ingenuity and all that, but I see this as more like the abused wife who just keeps putting up until she's destroyed.

Do you think Americans in general are happy these days?--I don't.

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
32. It took a Great Depression just to get the New Deal enacted into law.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:21 AM
Dec 2012

In those days, people were rioting just for food and water.

If it took the Great Depression to get something like the New Deal, it makes me wonder what it would take to turn things around. It's kind of frightening how far a population will let itself fall before it fights back.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
33. For some people
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:29 AM
Dec 2012

this IS a Great Depression. They might have water but I don't think they always have food. Americans have a lot of pride and don't want to admit they're not making it I think. But I just don't know what makes people keep on thinking everything's OK. Maybe they just can't believe this would be happening in America.
Denial.

I've been to other countries where I KNOW people would not put up with what Americans put up with.

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