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onandup

(701 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:27 PM Jul 2024

Democrats Snub Netanyahu Address as Trump to Welcome Him to Mar-a-Lago

Following Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's arrival in Washington, D.C., more Democrats are deciding to skip his expected speech Wednesday, as former President Donald Trump gears up to welcome the Israeli leader.

During his trip, Netanyahu is anticipated to deliver an address to Congress on Wednesday and meet with President Joe Biden Thursday, according to a report from the Associated Press (AP), which added that the Israeli leader will hold separate talks with Vice President Kamala Harris on Thursday.

Trump announced on Truth Social that Netanyahu will also make a stop at Mar-a-Lago on Friday.

"Looking forward to welcoming Bibi Netanyahu at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida … During my first term, we had Peace and Stability in the Region, even signing the historic Abraham Accords—And we will have it again," Trump wrote on his Truth Social.


https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-snub-netanyahu-address-trump-welcome-him-mar-lago-1929352

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Democrats Snub Netanyahu Address as Trump to Welcome Him to Mar-a-Lago (Original Post) onandup Jul 2024 OP
I was hoping they'd skip it. ananda Jul 2024 #1
Is that a hatch act violation for a non-official to speak international affairs with other national leaders? Think. Again. Jul 2024 #2
I beileve you're thinking of the Logan Act dflprincess Jul 2024 #3
Ah, yes, thank you! Think. Again. Jul 2024 #6
No, i think you mean Logan Act karynnj Jul 2024 #7
Trump likely to offer Netanyahu ribs for lunch. no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #4
The Abraham Accords were one of so many powder Klarkashton Jul 2024 #5
Biden supports the Abraham Accords former9thward Jul 2024 #8
Before Trump, the US and the Arab League always held out that kind of an agreement karynnj Jul 2024 #11
Sorry, other nations don't get to tell a sovreign nation where its capital is going to be. former9thward Jul 2024 #12
Where was the embassy for decades? Where are other country's embassies? karynnj Jul 2024 #14
Women did not have the right to vote for a majority of this country's history. former9thward Jul 2024 #15
Question to you think a two state solution is the best solution? karynnj Jul 2024 #16
I believe in the no-state solution. former9thward Jul 2024 #17
The vast majority of Democrats in Congress will be present. former9thward Jul 2024 #9
Wow. So his visit is for the sole purpose of meddling in our election. ecstatic Jul 2024 #10
He was invited by both Speaker Johnson and Majority Leader Schumer. former9thward Jul 2024 #13
Former Israeli chiefs of staff and Mossad directors-"Netanyahu poses an existential threat to the State of Israel" LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #18

Think. Again.

(22,363 posts)
2. Is that a hatch act violation for a non-official to speak international affairs with other national leaders?
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jul 2024

...or a different federal crime trump is committing by doing that?

I lose track of all the federal crimes garland doesn't proscute him for.

dflprincess

(28,915 posts)
3. I beileve you're thinking of the Logan Act
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:36 PM
Jul 2024

The Hatch Act governs how much political involvement government employees can have.

karynnj

(60,395 posts)
7. No, i think you mean Logan Act
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:08 PM
Jul 2024

He can meet with foreign leaders, but he can claim to negotiate on behalf of then US.

However, there is Republican prededent:
Nixon and Kissinger persuaded South Vietnam that they could get a better deal waiting for them. Half the people with names on the VN wall died after Nixon became President. The terms in 1973 - the same as couldhave happened in 1968.

Before the Reagan election, Kissinger and at least GHWB got Iran to keep the hostages until Reagan the inauguration in exchange for selling them prohibited weapons. Part of Iran/contra.

What I worry about is that Netanyahu has been part of the problem getting a ceasefire. He could wait till he meets with Trump, agree to the ceasefire that Biden et AL have worked on for months and credit Trump with persuading him to do so. The thing that may prevent it is Ben G'ver and spotlight, 2 far right members of his government who have said they would bring the government down if he agrees.

Klarkashton

(3,670 posts)
5. The Abraham Accords were one of so many powder
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:43 PM
Jul 2024

Kegs that trump left for Biden.
Tax cuts, zero interest rates, Afghanistan... The list goes on and on.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
8. Biden supports the Abraham Accords
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:08 PM
Jul 2024
Biden says he ‘strongly supports’ Trump’s Abraham Accords

President Biden on Thursday said he strongly supports the Abraham Accords, promoting the Trump-era declarations as a way to integrate Israel in the Middle East.

“We will also continue building on the Abraham Accords, which I strongly support because they deepen, they deepen Israel’s integration into the broader region and establish lasting ties for business, cooperation and tourism,” Biden said during a press conference in Jerusalem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3558921-biden-says-he-strongly-supports-trumps-abraham-accords/

karynnj

(60,395 posts)
11. Before Trump, the US and the Arab League always held out that kind of an agreement
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:17 PM
Jul 2024

if the Israel/ Palestine issue was resolved. Look at Clinton's words, Condi Rice's words, George Mitchell's words, and John Kerry's words. That integration was always the biggest of the "carrots" offered. Same with moving the embassy. Trump gave the carrots away without getting anything in return. (Not to mention, he pushed the Arab countries by allowing military purchases not approved before.)

So, yes, Biden accepted the fait accompli and even tried to expand the agreement before the Gaza attacks.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
12. Sorry, other nations don't get to tell a sovreign nation where its capital is going to be.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:24 PM
Jul 2024

What if the UK tells the U.S. its capital should be Omaha and that's where its embassy is going to be. Should the U.S. accept that? Jerusalem is and has been the capital of Israel and it is not up to negotiation or to be used as some sort of trade.

karynnj

(60,395 posts)
14. Where was the embassy for decades? Where are other country's embassies?
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 11:02 PM
Jul 2024

Whether you agree that it was the correct thing to do, EVERY president before Trump kept the embassy in Tel Aviv. This even years after Congress voted for the embassy to be moved. You likely know that it was thought both Israel and Palestine would eventually have there capital in Jerusalem. ( The Palestinian one was to be in East Jerusalem.)

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
15. Women did not have the right to vote for a majority of this country's history.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:23 AM
Jul 2024

Just because something has been done for decades does not make it right. Starting with Clinton every president elected promised in their election campaign to move the embassy. The U.S. did in 2017 and I am glad of that. Are you happy other president's broke their election promises to the American people?

All of Jerusalem belongs to Israel and that is the position of the vast majority of Israel and all of the major Israeli parties.

karynnj

(60,395 posts)
16. Question to you think a two state solution is the best solution?
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 11:37 AM
Jul 2024

The majority in Israel does not. The Knesset just passed a resolution that pretty much rules one out presumably forever. Do you agree with this?

Most of East Jerusalem was majority Palestinian.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
17. I believe in the no-state solution.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:13 PM
Jul 2024

Gaza originally belonged to Egypt. Give it to them. The West Bank largely belonged to Jordan. Give it to them. The Palestinians do not have the economy for a nation. They don't have the geography. They don't have the national/political unity for a nation. Those fundamental reasons are why they rejected nationhood in 1948 when offered by the UN and why they have rejected every attempt to give them one ever since.

ecstatic

(34,851 posts)
10. Wow. So his visit is for the sole purpose of meddling in our election.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:14 PM
Jul 2024

Watch what they do, not what they say.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,210 posts)
18. Former Israeli chiefs of staff and Mossad directors-"Netanyahu poses an existential threat to the State of Israel"
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 10:09 AM
Jul 2024

Bibi has to stay in power to keep from being tried for numerous crimes. Bibi is prolong the conflict in Gaza for his own purposes




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