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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 01:57 PM Dec 2012

Another annoying pro-Obama "what the election means to me" sermon

I didn't want anyone to think I'm luring them in under false pretenses.

I just think this election is a watershed moment for Democrats, and if you don't see it this way I really think you should. I'm not trying to slight anyone who might be on the other side of this. It's just that I've lived long enough to see what this can mean, and should mean, and hopefully will mean. The Republicans used the Raygun reelection to start a movement that even far transcended the insanity of Raygun. I think about how the period of my life will be written in the history books and I'm somewhat saddened. The narrative under Raygun Revolution will read like a comic book. It will be a period when a portly drug addict was able to lead a charge that proved once and for all that yes indeed if you take resources away from the poor and middle classes and give them to the rich, this does actually have the actual effect of making the rich richer and the rest poorer. Who knew? The fact that we were able to turn this insanity around with a black person just makes it all that much sweeter.

I'm optimistic this story is going to have a happy ending. That's what this election means to me.

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Another annoying pro-Obama "what the election means to me" sermon (Original Post) Major Nikon Dec 2012 OP
Reagan didn't start the "Reagan Revolution" zipplewrath Dec 2012 #1
You can say the same about most movements Major Nikon Dec 2012 #2
Depend when you came in zipplewrath Dec 2012 #3

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. Reagan didn't start the "Reagan Revolution"
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:10 PM
Dec 2012

It had been in the works for some time and can really be traced back to Buckley mostly. Reagan was just the front man. The importance here is that revolutions have alot of people behind them.

Obama is just a continuation of the Clinton/DLC presidency. One may consider that a "revolution" but it is a right drifting legacy that brought us Welfare reform, DADT, DOMA, and a general right drifting political motion such that Eisenhower is now more liberal than Obama. The motion is still, overall, to the right and this election hasn't changed that at all. It was at best a status quo election, and depending upon how the current economic challenges are addressed, it may actually continue its rightward drift.

So for me there isn't alot of positive in there other than a Romney free presidency.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
2. You can say the same about most movements
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:19 PM
Dec 2012

Those by which they are attributed to always were standing on the shoulders of someone else. My perspective is a world that is a lot farther to the left now than when I came into it. In some ways not so much, but overall I think it is. I can understand why some would think differently and I'm not going to say they are wrong. I think the last 30 years or so set us back considerably.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
3. Depend when you came in
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:13 PM
Dec 2012

If you came in in the late '40s, yes it is further left, not alot though. If you came in the '50s, not really. Unions are weaker, middle class incomes are lower, the retired middle class is shrinking. If you came in the '60s, not even close, although many of the civil rights gains have been strongly solidified. As you say, the last 30 have been true retrograde over all, although there are pockets of improvement.

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