Something big just happened in Egypt right now. Something very big.

[Catherina]

Something big just happened in Egypt right now. Something very big. This is the second wave of the Egyptian revolution.

There are many tens of thousands in the streets (who can count such numbers?) all over Egypt.

The Presidential Guard has fled. The CSF (Central Security Forces) has deserted its posts around the palace. Sh*t is going down in Egypt. And don't even bother with Al-Jazeera. It fast lost its last shreds of credibility in the Middle East. Only RT is reporting this honestly.

Tents are going up in front of the people's palace right now.



Morsi flees as angry crowd storms palace in Cairo, battles riot police

This article is from before that:


Egypt protest turns violent
5 Dec 2012

...

n a brief outburst, police fired tear gas to stop protesters approaching the palace in the capital's Heliopolis district. Morsi was in the palace conducting business as usual while the protesters gathered outside. But he left for home through a back door when the crowds "grew bigger," according to a presidential official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak to the media.

The violence erupted when protesters pushed aside a barricade topped with barbed wire several hundred yards from the palace walls. Police fired tear gas, and then retreated. With that barricade removed, protesters moved closer to the palace's walls, with police apparently choosing not to try and push the crowds back.

Protesters also commandeered a police van, climbing atop the armoured vehicle to wave Egypt's red, white and black flag.

In the coastal city of Alexandria, some 10,000 opponents of Morsi gathered in the centre of the country's second largest metropolis. They chanted slogans against the leader and his Islamic fundamentalist group, the Muslim Brotherhood.

...

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1717747/Egypt-protest-turns-violent


A thing of beauty. And it's the same young Egyptian Socialists at the forefront again.

Edit: If you don't want to believe me about AJE, neoliberal and complicit to its bones, maybe you'll believe this guy:

سلطان سعود القاسمي ‏@SultanAlQassemi

Is there anyone out there who thinks Al Jazeera has one iota of credibility when it comes to Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood, one iota?!

[marybourg]

1. I am in awe of their courage and commitment.

[LadyHawkAZ]

3. CATHERINA!!!!

I'm excited about the news you bring, but also excited to see you!

[Catherina]

7. I've been very, very busy lol

but never too busy to forget my friends here It's good to see you too!

[dixiegrrrrl]

85. My dear Catherina...

So good to see you active again.
Hugs and best wishes.....

[Catherina]

86. Lol!

Please please don't suck me back into DU, where so many beloved friends are. How I've missed you. (But I do read it, almost daily, to keep up with you guys)

[sabrina 1]

111. I second that comment, but I know what you mean about being 'sucked in' Lol!

We're just being selfish, that's all!

[HereSince1628]

4. The PEOPLE UNITED will NEVER be defeated!!!!!!!!!!

It ain't over yet.

[RockaFowler]

5. Wow

I guess Morsi was taking this a little too far. Not a fan of his anyway! Maybe now they will vote for an actual leader. Not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. My father will be happy to see this

[Catherina]

6. Protesters in Alexandria shouting "Down Down Morsy Mubarak"

Footage of Morsy motorcade leaving amidst protesters shouting IRHAL Leave (power)

[Catherina]

8. Presidential palace wall covered in anti-Morsi/Brotherhood graffiti

Sharif Kouddous ‏@sharifkouddous

Presidential palace wall covered in anti-Morsi/Brotherhood graffiti #Egypt

[11cents]

9. There is no more SCAF

"SCAF" does not mean the Egyptian military.

Is your statement that "the same young Egyptian Socialists (the same as who?) are at the forefront" any better founded?

It is indeed a thing of beauty -- too beautiful to be squeezed into pre-fab ideological assumptions.

[Catherina]

21. Dumb mistake in my excitement. I mean CSF n/t

[Lint Head]

10. We need to protest the corporate control of our country and everyday lives.

Occupy was good but apparently there needs to be more.

[plethoro]

58. Much more!! We need to do EXACTLY what the Egyptians are doing--or more! This

is no longer emails, posters and bumper stickers times. This is reality time.

[WilliamPitt]

11. Times of Israel report

FWIW: http://www.timesofisrael.com/masses-of-egyptian-protesters-clash-with-police-outside-presidential-palace/

[Catherina]

22. Thank you Will! n/t

[freshwest]

72. 100,000, it says there. And no serious injuries, but Morsi has fled. Good news all of that.

[malaise]

12. K & R n/t

[sabrina 1]

13. Thank you, I agree about Al Jazeera, a once dependable truth teller. But people had begun

to notice its slide into MSM status during the revolutions and once it was revealed that Qatar had troops on the ground in Libya, their bias in that reporting was explained.

The Egyptian people are not about to go back to their previous status.. I remember some of the more prominent leaders of that revolution wondering if they had left Tahrir Square too soon after seeing visits to their country by Western Leaders and knowing what that could mean.

Over 800 people were murdered by 'our friend and ally, Mubarak' during the uprising and it's easy to understand why they won't accept having those deaths be in vain by returning to the previous status that was the reason for the uprising in the first place. I wish them success.
They did say that removing Mubarak was only the first step.

[Catherina]

23. +1

dear friend

[cprise]

126. What is the name of the Israeli investor who bought a chunk of Al Jazeera

I am having trouble finding it now. I think the purchase was about 3-4 years back.

[Oilwellian]

14. It's great to see you Catherina

I see you haven't skipped a beat. This is great news.

[Catherina]

25. Not a single one lol

in fact have been expanding like a virus lol. These are fascinating times, so hopeful too.

[Egalitarian Thug]

15. K&R Good News! I wonder when we can expect our next "orderly transition" speech? n/t

[Catherina]

26. Hahaha. Totally correct n/t

[hifiguy]

16. Great to see you again Catherina!!

Hope you are well and happy!

Fascinating news from Egypt as well. This is definitely on my "keep track" screen. The Egyptians seem, shall we say, a trifle irked.

[Catherina]

27. A trifle?

I've been following this so closely. And Gaza too. Did you know about 900 of them went into Gaza when it was being so evilly bombarded to reassure their Palestinian brothers they had every intention of sticking to their promise to free Gaza? Amazing people.

[hifiguy]

34. I was just being sardonic.

How's the animal shelter going?

[polly7]

17. Thanks Catherina!

Best wishes to these brave people.



I can't bother caring about Al Jazeera since their false reporting of Libya.

[Catherina]

29. Good. They're not fooling anyone anymore. I don't even bother with them.

Their coverage during the Gaza attack was shameful and cost them every last shred of respect they had left. I won't even get into Syria but that too. Not fooling anyone anymore.

[rivegauche]

18. This is being totally ignored

by the mainstream media -- why? CNN hasn't got a single thing on it, neither does HuffPo. Fox does though. Why?

[Catherina]

31. Really? Wow. But I guess we shouldn't be surprised n/t

[Catherina]

51. Egyptian Activist tweets about CNN coverage

Elazul ‏@Elazul

this is CNN: "The Freedom and Justice Party -- an Islamist political group that has links to the Muslim Brotherhood" Has links?! HAS LINKS?!



Elazul ‏@Elazul

.@CNN saying the FJP "Has links" to the MB , is like saying Ronald Mcdonald "Has Links" To McDonalds. #Egypt #CrapJournalism

[Catherina]

19. Pic- Protesters marching into Korba, Heliopolis, besieging the presidential palace

Hossam عمو حسام ‏@3arabawy

الشعب يريد إسقاط النظام Protesters marching into Korba, Heliopolis, besieging the presidential palace http://flic.kr/p/dyxgUT

[Coyotl]

20. If by "somethingh big" you mean a protest, well yes, a protest is happening

and in a few days there will be an election. That will be something immense in historical terms.

[leftyohiolib]

24. this is how we should deal with the "cliff" the bankster bailout, the appointment of gw to president

they are the americans we should be

[RKP5637]

30. Americans have become a bunch of docile Lemmings, bred to be subservient. n/t

[RKP5637]

28. What did they expect. They replaced "A" with "B" and A = B ! n/t

[Uncle Joe]

32. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Catherina.

[RKP5637]

33. RT is about the last remaining decent coverage, the rest have gone down the toilet, I think. n/t

[Catherina]

37. Totally agreed

Egyptian protesters going after the Muslim Brotherhood. I wonder how the MSM will spin this?

[sabrina 1]

41. Yes, it is, that is why you see so much opposition to it from the Right.

[leveymg]

54. Neocons Attack Egyptian Dissident Mohamed ElBaradei, Again: The Nation

Authoritarians make the strangest bed-fellows. This from last January 30, when the Spring was fresh, and all things still seemed filled with the possibility that peace, freedom and good might break out in the world:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/158160/neocons-attack-egyptian-dissident-mohamed-elbaradei-again#

Mohamed ElBaradei, a Nobel Peace Prize recipient and the former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), has recently emerged as a leading figure in the Egyptian pro-democracy movement and a credible alternative to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

ElBaradei’s emergence has angered pro-Mubarak neoconservatives, such as Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice president of the Council of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, which is closely aligned with Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu. “There is a myth being created that ElBaradei is a human rights activist," Hoenlein told an Orthodox Jewish website on Sunday. “He is a stooge of Iran, and I don't use the term lightly. When he was the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, for which he got a Nobel Peace Prize, he fronted for them, he distorted the reports."

Hysterical rhetoric about ElBaradei is nothing new. The same people who were wrong about Iraq’s nonexistent WMD program are once again trying to distort his work, this time as a prominent dissident in Egypt.

Over at Firedoglake, Marcy Wheeler has an excellent recap of the past neoconservative smear campaign against ElBaradei. Before the invasion of Iraq, the Bush Administration pooh-poohed his warning that there was “no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq” and paid no attention to the fact that the administration’s claim that Saddam Hussein was pursuing enriched uranium from Niger was based on forged documents, according to IAEA reporting. Despite the fact that almost everything ElBaradei said about Iraq turned out to be correct, the Bush Administration tapped his phone and led a major campaign to prevent him from leading for a third term at IAEA. Lawrence Wilkerson, a top aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, said that then–UN Ambassador John Bolton was “going out of his way to bad-mouth” ElBaradei. Nonetheless, ElBaradei was unanimously re-elected as IAEA chief in 2005 and, shortly thereafter, awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his arms control work. “I don’t think we were effective in our campaign to oppose him,” Bolton later admitted.

[SkyDaddy7]

35. SORRY...But...

RT is not a reliable source for anything but unfounded Conspiracies...Any media source who uses folks like THE Conspiracy Theory PIMP, Alex Jones, as a source for news is NOT reliable at all!!

I bet you what RT is saying about Egypt right now turns out to be extreme HYPE or simply not true at all. Just call it like I see it & that is what i have grown to realize about RT. It is nothing but a propaganda TOOL for Putin & to think it is anything but is well foolish! IMHO.

[pinboy3niner]

36. Egypt protesters swell to over 100,000 (CBS News)

Updated 3:51 PM ET

CAIRO A protest by at least 100,000 Egyptians outside the presidential palace in Cairo turned violent on Tuesday as tensions grew over Islamist President Mohammed Morsi's seizure of nearly unrestricted powers and a draft constitution hurriedly adopted by his allies.


Crowds around the capital and in the coastal city of Alexandria were still swelling several hours after nightfall. The large turnout signaled sustained momentum for the opposition, which brought out at least 200,000 protesters to Cairo's Tahrir Square a week ago and a comparable number on Friday. They are demanding the Morsi rescind decrees that placed him above judicial oversight.


In a brief outburst, police fired tear gas to stop protesters approaching the palace in the capital's Heliopolis district. Morsi was in the palace conducting business as usual while the protesters gathered outside. But he left for home through a back door when the crowds "grew bigger," according to a presidential official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

...


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57557045/egypt-protesters-swell-to-over-100000/

[sabrina 1]

44. RT is one of the best news organizations in the US right now. It is becoming one of the most

popular Wordwide btw. Not surprised to see someone jump in to trash it though. Same thing always happens whenever the Corporate Controlled MSM is challenged by some independent news organization. We see the same thing happening with Wikileaks.

The truth is a threat to the propaganda daily delivered to the people by Corporate interests. As someone famous said recently, 'they are losing control of the message'.. and it was said without a shred of awareness that the news is not supposed a 'message' but so revealing that our leaders do view it that way.

Lol, I laughed about your Alex Jones comment. I guess you have no problem with liars and crooks like Grover Norquist and Karl Rove occupying space on our 'truth-telling' MSM. No media is more questionable than our own.

I have never seen Alex Jones on RT btw. But all voices should be heard in any democracy, we are grown up enough to be able to sort out who is 'crazy' and who is not. The notion that we need 'government nannies' to sort it all out for us, gives me the chills frankly.

As I said, our MSM gives a platform to totally insane and off-the-wall corrupt crooks like Grover Norquist and Karl Rove as if they were 'respectable' sources of news, and on a regular basis.

I'll take an occasional platform for CTs any day as they have no real influence over this country's well being. But Norquist and Rove, have managed to contribute to the downhill slide of this country

[femrap]

63. Where else

can I watch Max Keiser and Thom Hartmann??? Certainly not carried by Time Warner!

[Bluenorthwest]

69. To call RT ' some independent news organization' is simply not accurate. It is funded

directly by the Russian government through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation. It was founded in 2005 with 30 million opening money and 30 million for the first year's budget, half from the Russian government and half from large banks friendly to the government.
So if you can actually say that a government founded and funded news organization is 'some independent news organization' I'd have to ask the obvious question. What are the independent of?
Are they ever directly critical of say, Putin? Not so much. Have they told the truth about the war in South Ossetia? Human Rights Watch says not so much.
They are a major, mainline news and commentary outfit with an agenda and a huge budget (300 million this year). They are no different from other organizations similar to them. I find your comment to the other poster 'I guess you don't mind Karl Rove' to be snide, and I have to ask if you really think tow Roves make a right. Does FoxNews existing mean that any other news outlet is above reproach? Intellectually dishonest stuff.
No one with 300 million and a direct tie to a government is independent of that government.

[sabrina 1]

98. 'Do they criticize Putin?' Yes, in fact the only place I saw full coverage of the anti-Putin

demonstrations was on RT.

My comment about Rove was not snide, it is a fact. He escaped prosecution in the Plame affair, eg, because Libby covered for all of them and took the fall.

He escaped prosecution in the firing of the US Attorneys because he thumbed his nose at Congress and refused to respond to subpoenas.

I fail to see why you thought my comment about this obvious liar and dirty trickster who has had an enormous negative influence on this country was 'snide'. Pointing out facts is now snide? The comment I responded to was using the talking point which is apparently the one settled on, regarding Alex Jones who I have never even seen on RT btw, it's not like he's a respected presence there as Rove and Palin et al on our MSM. Imo, Jones is a harmless CT who has zero influence in this country while Rove et al actually do. To compare the effect someone like Jones has which is practically zero, to that of Rove and all the Tea Party liars we have to endure on our MSM, while voices like Amy Goodman eg, are never heard, is simply ridiculous. Let him speak, let everyone speak, I don't need a nanny censoring who I see on TV.

RT has given a voice to many Progressives on the 'left' in this country that have been blocked from our own MSM such as Thom Hartmann, Amy Goodman and jouranlists like Pepe Escobar while presenting Right Wing lunatics and criminals as if they were oracles of wisdom. RT's coverage of the American people themselves, during OWS's early days was fair and did not include, speaking of 'snide', the Corporate Media's constant baseless attacks on them.

No media is completely independent, our own MSM least of all. So having other media which at least recognizes that there is a 'left' in this country is something most Democrats should welcome. Their international coverage and documentaries about parts of the world we know little about, is for the most part, excellent. But if people are happy with the MSM that is their choice.

[On the Road]

50. I Tend to Agree,

but what is noteworthy to me is the discrediting of Al Jazeera. Unless more sunstantiation is provided, it should be seen as the gold standard for news in that region.

[sabrina 1]

129. Al Jazeera was great, it was hard to find any bias in most its coverage during its early

years. But people began to notice the reporting becoming less neutral a few years ago and it turned out they were not just imagining things. The sad thing was that because of its excellent reputation, people were more likely to trust them and were puzzled about what they were seeing and hearing.

Several reporters in different countries resigned in protest over not being allowed to put their work on the air, which was not what they were accustomed to. In censoring them that way, a slant was put on the news something they had become famous for NOT doing.

The bias was very obvious during the Libya and Syria conflicts and reporters stated they had footage that was kept off the air, showing a side of the 'rebels' which placed in doubt the claim that they were a 'grassroots' organization. So as it turned out, people were right, things had changed.

But what really blew their reputation was when Wikileaks cables revealed that the man who is credited with Al Jazeera's huge success had met with US Intelligence/CIA in 2005 and agreed to remove certain images of the Iraq War from its website.

Al Jazeera Head Suddenly Resigns Amidst WikiLeaks Revelations[/b

.

Wadah Khanfa, Al Jazeera's managing director and the man widely considered responsible for putting Al Jazeera on the international map, resigned suddenly yesterday following revelations by WikiLeaks that he had met with U.S. intelligence and agreed to remove "disturbing" web content from the Al Jazeera site.

The cables reveal that Khanfa met with U.S. intelligence in 2005 to discuss what they felt was Al Jazeera's negative coverage of the war in Iraq.

One cable shows that Khanfa agreed to remove "two images depicting wounded children in a hospital and a woman with a badly wounded face" at an American officials request, but asked that his collaboration be kept a secret.

In his resignation letter yesterday he made no mention of the cables.

That was a shattering blow to their credibility and combined with their own journalists dissatisfaction and the viewers wondering why their coverage seemed to have changed they really have lost what made them one of the most trusted news agencies in the world.

Seems our CIA influences media all over the world and when they can't, they find ways to destroy them. See Wikileaks.


.

[On the Road]

140. Thank You

I will look at that further. For the moment I retract the statement that they should be the gold standard.

I still don't know who would be an objective news source. I'm sure the BBC and US news outlets have had similar contact with US intelligence. RT is certainly not a superior source.

[SkyDaddy7]

142. I also agree 100%!

What gets me is how folks here on DU can promote RT (Russia) & Press TV (Iran)...Both come from countries that harass, beat, torture & kill journalist who do not do the regimes bidding??

[regnaD kciN]

78. WTF is "RT"...?

[EX500rider]

94. RT=Russian Times

Newer version of Pravda

[sabrina 1]

110. So you've never watched it. Russia TODAY. Do you know anything about Russia Today as opposed

to the old Soviet Union?

Some people in this country are so stuck in the last Century while the rest of the world moves on. I have to say I thought it was only on the Right that this paranoid fear of 'commies' was still present.

RT is a great news source, especially for Progressives who actually care about hearing Progressives voices on the air, finally, like Amy Goodman and investigative journalists like Greg Palast and Pepe Escobar, all censored by our own version of Pravda.

It is wonderful to be able to hear those voices finally. And without the screaming and yelling and constant commercial interruptions we get on the Corporate Media here.

They give voice to people across the political spectrum, and from all over the world. Crosstalk is one of the best political shows on the air. And the variety of viewpoints are something we just don't get here, leading to a country where half the population still votes for the most extreme rightwing party we've ever had.

No wonder RT is growing in popularity across this country and the rest of the world. The US media is among the least trusted anywhere since we learned how complicit they are in disseminating Corporate and MIC propaganda without a single challenge and since they removed all Progressive voices from the air.

[cascadiance]

137. Thom Hartmann's hourly "Big Picture" show is on each day on RT and is also aired on FSTV...

You probably need to either have satellite TV service or the internet to get it, as I don't think most cable systems carry either RT or Free Speech TV.

[sabrina 1]

141. We get RT with Time Warner. I just read that they are now in 50 million

US households. So you are probably right about Satellite and Free Speech also.

Don't know about other cable networks.

I am just thrilled to see so many of the great progressive voices and bloggers, who are kept off the MSM. It really makes you realize how right wing all of our media is and highlights how those voices are missing from the MSM.

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

38. "If there's hope...It lies in the Proles" - "1984" by George Orwell

I always think of that quote whenever I hear about people who have been oppressed by tyrants rising up against the ruiling class. I guess it has some relevance to our election, where all of us ordinary folks (who, instead of being characterized as "proles", were characterized as "The 47 percent" who don't pay taxes) rose up and proved that we have a voice and this is our country also.

[Catherina]

52. Great quote! n/t

[polly7]

39. Here are a few more pictures you might appreciate.

http://www.demotix.com/search/media/egypt?filters=tds_cck_field_date%3A%5BNOW-1DAY%20TO%20NOW%5D

[Catherina]

42. +1000. Thank you! Gorgeous n/t

[Catherina]

40. Important statement expected from Egyptian presidency, may be delivered by Morsy

@SultanAlQassemi

Important statement expected from Egyptian presidency, may be delivered by Morsy http://goo.gl/uMhYV Arabic via @LawyerMasry

((story is in Arabic))


Marwa Gad El-Hak ‏@MarwaGadElHak
Fireworks whistles and lots of cheering at Etihadeya Palace. #Egypt #Morsi


A_Zahran Ahmed Zahran 21m
Beautiful photo of #egypt protests against #morsi in front of presidential palace.

:large

[DeSwiss]

43. K&R

[center]''In Lak'ech Ala K'in''
[/center]

[TeeYiYi]

45. Catherina...

What a pleasant surprise.

TYY

[Catherina]

48. I know

They never say down and relaxed but I didn't think they'd get these numbers. dear friend. Tried to call you a few weeks ago. Will try again soon.

@Kkholy
#Morsi is about to give a speech. Expect something similar to Mubarak's third speech on Feb 10th.

[TeeYiYi]

53. Found on twitter...

betsy hiel ‏@betsy_hiel
This protester ‪@MrSedky‬ holds a sign outside the presidential palace in ‪#egypt‬ says 'Obama your bitch is our dictator' ‪pic.twitter.com/r9coNReW‬




TYY

[Catherina]

75. More great pics

at this link: http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/together--caiuniversirty-mb_bn_1354356901717.html



mlotfyamnesty: Riot police shaking hand with protesters, chanting people and police one hand #Egypt http://t.co/Hpow4DvQ



YoussefEHanna: One of the #CSF conscripts that has refused to attack the protesters in front of the palace https://t.co/pjdJU23S via @bothainakamel1 #Egypt



MayAbdelAsim: RT @eventgate Hundreds of protesters gather at #Tahrir square protesting against the latest constitutional declaration. #Egypt http://t.co/7TgHlot6



RawahBadrawi: A security car at Itihadeya is folded in peacefully between protesters there. #dec4 http://t.co/t86QeXU8



T3ev: The Egyptian police celebrate the departure of Morsi From the Pres.Palace with thousands of protester #4Dec #Egypt http://t.co/tY7Q1Qrq



mhmmdashour: Police get rid of their uniforms, join the protests near Pres. Palace https://t.co/uGyfVXww #Morsi #Tahrir @OperationEgypt @YourAnonNews






More at that link

[JimDandy]

83. Absolutely Ridiculous.

THEY elected him, even when the world was warning them about voting for a Muslim Brotherhood candidate. The American people supported your revolt, but it's up to YOU, Egyptians, to ensure you get a democracy that's fair to all of your people. You have it in your power. Blaming others takes that power away from you.

[Catherina]

89. The same way we "elected" Bush

Last edited Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Their take on what happened during those elections is nothing you'll read about in the US media. Let's just say they didn't appreciate the outside interference to install another puppet regime as votes were played around with.

And even if he was elected fair and square, after how hard they fought for change and all the lives lost, only a bunch of sheep would lie down for 5,8,12,20 years being represented by someone who was not fulfilling the will of the people.

They understand very well how much Washington has been interfering in their affairs.

Edit: "lie down", not "like down"

[JimDandy]

93. Not the same at all.

Are you saying that Obama's administration interfered to get Morsi in power? Morsi in power is not in our best interest. And the person posting that photo above is suspect to me.

Not sure what this means: "...only a bunch of sheep would like down for 5,8,12,20 years..."

[socialist_n_TN]

112. That means Morsi was elected on the heels of a revolution........

that deposed a dictator. The revolutionaries are NOT going to let another dictator take his place, whether elected fairly or not.

[creeksneakers2]

130. The Egyptians chose him, not Obama

[leveymg]

46. KNR. Watching and waiting for some good news from the region for a change.

[barbtries]

47. he made a big mistake

thinking he could just take over like that. the people know where the power is.

[hue]

49. Thanks so much Catherina for this salient news!! Best wishes for these brave voices!!!n/t

[rhett o rick]

55. The revolution is the easy part. Throwing out the dictator is the easy part.

Trying to establish a democracy is extremely difficult. Other dictators are waiting to fill the vacuum.

[JimDandy]

103. What you said x 1000. n/t

[rhett o rick]

121. Thanks. I just wish it were easier to get to democracy. nm

[tama]

124. That is why

they wan't open people powered constitutional process (cf. Iceland), not a top down draft by Morsi to just vote yes or no.

E.g. in this Morsi draft there are referendums, but the power to initiate referendums belongs to president, not people. And president can easily misuse that power of initiative by choosing how to frame and word issues.

[Catherina]

56. Al Jazeera spinning this as Mubarak Loyalists protesting!

@SultanAlQassemi
Does anyone have a recording of the Al Jazeera corespondent saying today "I know what revolutionaries look like, there are feloul"?

@SultanAlQassemi
Amr Adib: Morsy don't listen to Al Jazeera whose corespondent said today: "I know the revolutionaries faces, these (protesters) are feloul"

@SultanAlQassemi
For those who say that the protesters are all feloul, if Mubarak had them he wouldn't have fallen - Ammar Ali Hassan on Al Yowm #Egypt

Catherina ‏@Catherina_News
@SultanAlQassemi What does "feloul" mean please?

@SultanAlQassemi
@Catherina_News Mubarak's people

خَald خَald ‏@the5ald
@Catherina_News @SultanAlQassemi Feloul refers to the "remnants" of the regime.

[rollin74]

57. K & R

hopefully Morsi will go

[Catherina]

59. Morsy's spokesman just announced that Morsi won't back down !

@SultanAlQassemi

The presidential spokesperson: Morsi will not back down via @ezzatahram #Arrogance




@Sultan Sooud Al-Qassemi

Cartoon on how the MB wrote the illegal constitution - إدي لمون جامد via Sherif Mansour

[Cherchez la Femme]

60. They're mad as hell and they're not gonna take it anymore!

Good for them.
Goddess help the next would-be dictator who tries to grab power in Egypt...

[Zorra]

61. Hola, hermana! Thanks!

[Catherina]

70. Hola

So many friends in this thread. Gawd I love you all. Even those I didn't greet.

[hifiguy]

62. It appears that the Egyptian people are

thoroughly sick of wannabe Pharoahs and good on them. At least the real Pharoahs were obliged to provide the populace with food and work.

[woo me with science]

64. K&R

[Catherina]

65. AP estimates Egyptian protesters 100,000 in Cairo, 10,000 in Alexandria

@SultanAlQassemi

AP estimates Egyptian protesters 100,000 in Cairo, 10,000 in Alexandria chanting "erhal, erhal," ("leave, leave&quot http://goo.gl/U7eqM

[David Zephyr]

66. Thank you Catherina for keeping us updated.

K&R.

[Catherina]

67. David!!

[David Zephyr]

145. Boomerang hugs.

[Catherina]

68. Health Mnstry: 29 protesters injured outside presidential palace, 1 in Alexandria, 1 in Minya

Rawya Rageh ‏@RawyaRageh

Health Mnstry: 29 protesters injured outside presidential palace, 1 in Alexandria, 1 in Minya #Egypt #Morsi #LastWarning

[Marrah_G]

71. xoxoxo

[Catherina]

74. Wow are they mad

Some more great pics. One may offend for the b word but I hope not due to the language differences.

http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/presidentialpalace-mahalla_bn_1354649781436.html


xoxoxoxo (had to sneak something in so half this thread isn't greetings, hugs and xoxoxoxo's lol)

[WillyT]

73. K & R !!!

[lonestarnot]

76. Wow. I only took a short knap and look what I missed.

[bluestateguy]

77. Right now I am focused upon what is going on here at home

So this stuff a million miles away is of no concern to me.

[Catherina]

79. "US calls on Egypt protesters to have restraint"

Maximilian Forte ‏@1D4TW

"US calls on #Egypt protesters to have restraint" ( http://bit.ly/WHtxKf ) - but why not arm them and bomb the govt like you did in #Libya ?

US calls on Egypt protesters to have restraint
Joseph Mayton | 4 December 2012

CAIRO: The United States has called on anti-President Mohamed Morsi protesters and the government in Egypt to show “restraint.” The State Department spokesman Mark Toner was quoted as saying that the White House was also following the situation closely.

“We would simply urge that protesters express their views peacefully and that they be given the environment, if you will, to protest peacefully,” AFP reported Toner as saying.

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Others said this was the revolution “continuing.” A march to the palace continues to grow on Tuesday night, with the chanting loud and boisterous. “We want the downfall of the regime,” is being screamed, in unison, toward the house that Morsi has lived in since early July.

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Even the country’s state television has joined the propaganda train to support their embattled president, calling the protesters supporters of a “foreign agenda.” The same channels that also told Egyptians the same things during the January 25 uprising.

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http://www.bikyamasr.com/82219/us-calls-on-egypt-protesters-to-have-restraint/


http://www.bikyamasr.com/82219/us-calls-on-egypt-protesters-to-have-restraint/

[Zorra]

100. I dunno; IMO, an Egyptian version of storming the Bastille would be infinitely preferable to

restraint right now.

Crush the fascists!

[AverageJoe90]

123. Yeah! Brava!

Yes, indeed, may the fascists be crushed under the feet of the people as they march towards liberation!

[Luminous Animal]

115. Hahaha! Good ole USA. Thanks for this thread! I've been following on twitter

and it is great to see you posting the info here.

[Catherina]

117. So good to see you still fighting the great fight

[pipewrench]

80. wow just wow

Go away for a bit and all hell breaks loose.

[Kali]

81. kick

this is important

[triplepoint]

82. Let's Hope It Doesn't Fucking End Like This!

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Looks like "Tank Man" is STILL a mystery...:

[Catherina]

87. Please, let's hope not

My heart won't be able to take it.

[countryjake]

84. K&R!

[socialist_n_TN]

88. Good to see your moniker again Cathrina! And thanks for the news..........

GO SOCIALISTS!!!

[Catherina]

90. Heck yeah!

المجد للشهداء

Protesters waving flags depicting pictures of revolution martyrs in front of the Noor Mosque in Abbassiya, before marching on the presidential palace.




And here's your guy, Hossam El-Hamalawy, one of the several young brains behind much of this

http://vimeo.com/3669278

Hossam عمو حسام
@3arabawy

In a dictatorship independent journalism by default becomes a form of activism & the spread of information is essentially an act of agitation #RevSoc #Editor

Cairo, Egypt · http://www.arabawy.org

[Catherina]

91. Pic: Marching on the presidential palace

Hossam عمو حسام ‏@3arabawy

Marching on the presidential palace مسيرة العباسية في طريقها إلى الإتحادية
Protesters marching in Abbassiya Square, on their way to the presidential palace in Heliopolis.





Protesters entering the Abbassiya tunnel, on their way to the presidential palace in Heliopolis.

[patrice]

92. Standing with the people of Egypt! nt

[Catherina]

95. MBs and Morsi waiting for US Clearance before any statements or taking any steps

Mohamed Tosson ‏@mwtosson
MBs and Morsi waiting for US Clearance before any statements or taking any steps ..kelab! #egypt #morsy


I asked if this was sourced or just opinion. Will edit if I get a link/source.

[IDemo]

96. I heard on NPR the other morning that he's being called "Morsilini" by some

[Catherina]

97. "Freedom or we die" "Morsi! Illegitimate! Brotherhood! Illegitimate!" "Down with the sons of dogs"

"Freedom or we die," chanted a crowd of several hundred outside a mosque in the Abbasiyah district. "Mohammed Morsi! Illegitimate! Brotherhood! Illegitimate!" they also yelled, alluding to the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood from which Morsi hails.

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Several hundred protesters also gathered outside Morsi's residence in an upscale suburb not far from the Itihadiya. "Down with the sons of dogs. We are the power and we are the people" They chanted.

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The opposition has yet to say whether it intends to focus its energy on rallying support for a boycott of the Dec. 15 vote or defeating the draft with a "no" vote.

"We haven't made any decisions yet, but I'm leaning against a boycott and toward voting 'no'," said Hossam al-Hamalawy of the Socialist Revolutionaries, a key group behind last year's uprising. "We want a (new) constituent assembly that represents the people and we keep up the pressure on Morsi."

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121204/DA2V12302.html

[Catherina]

99. VIDEO: Central Security Forces troops abandon their posts after security barricades are breached

Farah Saafan ‏@FarahSaafan

VIDEO: CSF troops abandon their posts after security barricades are breached

… #Dec4 #Egypt

[Catherina]

101. #PalaceMarch is blasting one of Dalida's songs through the megaphone at 3.00am

Egyptocracy ‏@Egyptocracy

#PalaceMarch is blasting one of Dalida's songs through the megaphone at 3.00am. *huge smile* #Egypt #Tahrir



Note: I'll edit when she gives me the name of the song because Dalida just ROCKS!

[Catherina]

102. Protestors kick out Al Jazeera (Arabic) correspondent from outside Pres Palace

This was 8 hours ago:

Marwa Farag ‏@MarwaFarag

Protestors kick out Al Jazeera (Arabic) correspondent from outside Pres Palace RT pic.twitter.com/iWFJbSpH #Egypt #PalaceMarch

[kentuck]

104. Yep! Shit is happening!

Egypt is probably the most important Arab country in that region in regards to maintaining stability for the US and Israel?

[Catherina]

105. Exactly.

I'm not posting all the anti-American Administration signs/posters but there are many, and some of them are very harsh.

[Catherina]

106. Part 2 (second thread) at link below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021928582

I started it with the link to the livestream http://www.livestream.com/ontveglive

Right now everytime seems very calm and positive.

[madfloridian]

107. Catherina! Been a long time.

[Catherina]

113. Mad!

I see you on twitter. I love you on twitter as much as I love you here. It's wonderful following all the good work you do. Better than , here's a

[madfloridian]

118. I have enjoyed twitter a lot.

And back to you.

[allrevvedup]

108. Looks like Morsi is getting his leash yanked

much like Obama got his yanked at Benghazi. The message seems to be "We own you so don't get any funny ideas about writing your own ticket, and here's a little mischief to show we mean business." I don't think Benghazi worked out quite as planned because instead of being handed his walking papers on Nov. 6 Obama emerged with the scalp of a certain D. Petraeus hanging from his belt. Things might work out for Morsi too and at this point I'm hoping they do before Egypt loses its canal and oil resources.

[AverageJoe90]

122. No, they SHOULDN'T work out for Morsi.

In fact, If we're going to compare Morsi to the two candidates, then Morsi is like the Egyptian version of Mitt Romney. Only, thankfully, in our case, the real Mitt got booted out on his ass at the ballot box. Hopefully, Morsi will befall the same fate as well: Many of the revolutionaries, the socialists in particular, know this man's true colors. He truly IS a Middle Eastern version of Mittens, only scarier.

[allrevvedup]

131. Morsi wants to retry Mubarek. These "protesters" don't?

Because now they like Mubarek and the security chiefs who supposedly fired on them last spring? Morsi is also trying to get a constitution ratified on schedule and keep the courts from dissolving what's left of the Egyptian legislature. I guess the "protesters" got tired of democracy already? Fickle crowd, these protesters. Funny how they keep popping up whenever heads of state including our own become inconvenient.


More about those "far-reaching powers": http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310693,00.html

[Catherina]

132. Lol. All bow and worship a few illegal breadcrumbs from Pharaoh while he crowns himself n/t

[allrevvedup]

133. The revolution will not be televised.

And it won't be an advertisement for "social media," it won't be coordinated by English-speaking "youth groups" connected to US NGOs, and it won't be flogged by Matt Drudge:

Anyway Morsi went back to work this morning: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/egypt-s-mohamed-morsi-returns-to-palace-after-mass-rally-301511

[AverageJoe90]

139. Heh heh, really? =p

I mean, let's face it: If a Republican was in office, and they weren't feeding anti-Muslim hysteria to profit off of 9/11, I betcha people like Matty Sludge might actually be cheering for Morsi.

[AverageJoe90]

138. And I find it a little tragic to see some people actually supporting the MB on here.

....When this very organization has fascist roots going all the way back to WWII, and before!

I also have wondered, from time to time, if perhaps some of the more crooked factions of Western intel might also have been, or still are, trying to help Morsi and his pals stay in for as long as possible.

[Catherina]

144. It would be tragic indeed if it weren't such a farce. As to your last sentence

I'm not even going there but the evidence is there. As'ad AbuKhalil aka [link:angryarab.blogspot.nl|AngryArab News], professor of political science at California State University, touched on the historical US funding today. Then we've got Allrian on his way to the US to "consult" with the White House right now.


Historical US funding of the Muslim Brotherhood
During the Cold War, it was not a secret that the US and the Muslim Brotherhood were close allies. In his new book, Eric Rouleau talks about US funding (through Saudi Arabia) of the Muslim Brotherhood. This is something on which more light should be shed. In fact, the book about the Cultural and Political Cold War in the Arab World has not been written yet.

[pacalo]

109. That's one dictatorship that isn't finding it "easier".

I admire those Egyptians who are standing up against Morsi & I hope they can make a difference.

It was a pleasant surprise to see your name on the OP -- I've missed you, Catherina.

Big !

[Catherina]

114. Wow. So many friends here

I've missed you guys too, really! But I'm praying so hard I don't get sucked in again because this place is too addictive. to you and to all my dear friends here!

[Luminous Animal]

116. Kick.

[AverageJoe90]

119. Hello, Catherina!

And thank you, thank you! For posting this wonderful news.

Indeed, it seems that there IS hope for a true revolution in the Land of the Pharaohs.....

[Catherina]

120. Hello Joe! Hello all my friends!

I'm with you lol.

[Fire Walk With Me]

125. What do we do when we're under attack? We don't take it; STAND UP FIGHT BACK!

[snot]

127. K&R'd and great to see some familiar faces, so to speak!

[ReRe]

128. K&R

There is nothing I can add to this tremendous thread. What I see is people rising up, all around the world, for justice.

[KoKo]

134. Huge K&R....Thanks Catherina...and to others for even more Pix and GO RT!

[TBF]

135. I'm pulling for them. Solidarity, sister. nt

[Kurovski]

136. K&R. (nt)

[Dokkie]

143. I dont know Catherina

But I will consider you my best m8 if this is the type of posts you create. But enjoy seeing some good news in that part of the world.

Down with dictators and fake/western hijacked revolutions