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jsr

(7,712 posts)
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:19 PM Dec 2012

Outrage over N.Y. Post cover of man in train's path

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ny-post-cover-train-death-20121204,0,2844391.story

Outrage over N.Y. Post cover of man in train's path
By Andrew Khouri

On Tuesday, New Yorkers awoke to a gruesome New York Post cover photo. The photo, which fills most of the page, depicts a man trapped on the New York City subway tracks, awaiting an oncoming train that would eventually take his life.

“Pushed on the subway track, this man is about to die,” the headline says. The victim appears to be trying to climb up as he looks toward the oncoming train. Below the victim, appears one word: “DOOMED.”

The decision has sparked outrage across the Internet, raising questions about journalism ethics. The story also has touched off a debate about whether bystanders — including the photographer — should have done more to help Ki Suk Han, a 58-year-old from Queens, N.Y., who was allegedly pushed onto the tracks Monday afternoon....

“Wow! enough time to take a few pictures. Why didn't the person help? … What an age we live in when getting the picture is more important! I am appalled,” Joseph Monte wrote in a comment on the Post’s website.


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Outrage over N.Y. Post cover of man in train's path (Original Post) jsr Dec 2012 OP
I read this story earlier today Texasgal Dec 2012 #1
Rupert's sleeze. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #2
Death as entertainment. No reason to take the photo, no TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #3
The Huffington Post has sports snuff films soleft Dec 2012 #4
In NYC subways Libertas1776 Dec 2012 #22
This is par for the course with the Post. smokey nj Dec 2012 #5
PSA: All engineers and trainmen are taught that if they see someone waving their both their arms Brickbat Dec 2012 #6
Yes customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #12
+1000 NoodleyAppendage Dec 2012 #14
This is society today, they'd rather post it on YouTube. Agschmid Dec 2012 #17
Absolutely . . . markpkessinger Dec 2012 #15
I was unaware of the photo until I saw it here on D.U. . virgogal Dec 2012 #7
That is horrifying Marrah_G Dec 2012 #8
faces of death MFM008 Dec 2012 #9
What is amazing is that nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #10
That's the direction of society davidn3600 Dec 2012 #11
Agree. n/t Agschmid Dec 2012 #18
Put a "GRAPHIC" warning in your title. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #13
Thank you. Change has come Dec 2012 #16
How horrible:( polly7 Dec 2012 #19
I've thought about what I would do if I ended up on the tracks. Renew Deal Dec 2012 #20
So sad. I simply cannot believe that anyone would print such a picture in rDigital Dec 2012 #21
Depraved indifference Samantha Dec 2012 #23
Neighborhood man questioned after subway rider's death on tracks FarCenter Dec 2012 #24
Murdoch has set a bar so low for media...... marmar Dec 2012 #25
I can tell you right now why that pic wat chosen and it was not due to journalism!! Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #26
Repulsive!! Quantess Dec 2012 #27
Seriously what the hell is wrong with people? Initech Dec 2012 #28

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
1. I read this story earlier today
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:22 PM
Dec 2012

and I had to say that I was disgusted.

I cannot believe the people who were there did not try to help and for idiot that decided that a picture of this even was OKAY to publish on the cover or any part of the NYP is TRASH.

I shake my head in disgust.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. Death as entertainment. No reason to take the photo, no
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:26 PM
Dec 2012

reason to publish it. Extremely disrespectful of this man and his family.

soleft

(18,537 posts)
4. The Huffington Post has sports snuff films
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:35 PM
Dec 2012

Almost every other week.

Also, I read that the photographer was running toward the train flashing his flash to try and get the engineers attention.

I think there needs to be public servant announcements telling people what to do if they fall on the tracks. For instance, running to the end of the station (if there is enough time) or climbing under the platform. Trying to pull yourself up is probably the worse thing. I wish people would discuss this.

Libertas1776

(2,888 posts)
22. In NYC subways
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:02 AM
Dec 2012

there is basically a sort of trench in between the rails of the track. Regrettably, it is usually filled with trash, filthy water, or dead rat but it is still space enough to lie flat with clearance for the train to pass overhead. I recall a story about a man who suffered a seizure and fell onto the tracks. Another man jumped onto the tracks to try and pull him out as the train barreled down on them. When he realized he wouldn't make it out in time, the good Samaritan pushed the epileptic man into the trench and laid on top of him with seconds to spare. Needless to say, the train passed over them safely.

I agree, there should be discussion about those things or signs posted. Granted, in a panic, someone might still try their damnedest to climb out even if there is a lone person shouting at them to lay down in the trench.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
5. This is par for the course with the Post.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:41 PM
Dec 2012

When Eric Clapton's son fell to his death, the Post put a picture of the dead boy on its cover. If I remember correctly, it was an overhead shot of Conor after he'd fallen out of the window.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
6. PSA: All engineers and trainmen are taught that if they see someone waving their both their arms
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:43 PM
Dec 2012

frantically, they must instantly shoot the breaks. It's the universal sign for STOP.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. Yes
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:33 PM
Dec 2012

Whereas a camera flash is the universal sign for "tourist fascinated by a subway train." Total fail on the part of the asshat who simply took a picture.

In any other city, half a dozen people would have mobbed the guy doing the pushing, and half a dozen would have pulled this man out of the way. Kitty Genovese's ghost is still looking for a courageous individual on the streets of NYC.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
17. This is society today, they'd rather post it on YouTube.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:18 PM
Dec 2012

The downfall of what we think of society will be through technology.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
15. Absolutely . . .
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:48 PM
Dec 2012

. . . and in any case, anybody who has more than two brain cells to rub together should know that a subway train cannot stop that quickly in any case.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. What is amazing is that
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:18 PM
Dec 2012

a photo and a rescue could have happened. And a photo of people doing a rescue would be much better.

I say this as somebody who's done both. My choice would be to attempt a rescue.

But...the horror comes from our own culture. Photos like this one run around the world regularly. In Mexico they are called "nota roja."
 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. That's the direction of society
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:20 PM
Dec 2012

We are becoming desensitized to this kind of thing.

There was a story a few years ago...a surveillance camera caught a hit and run on video. The man was hit and down on the ground, the driver that hit him sped off, and bystanders just kept walking by like nothing happened.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
13. Put a "GRAPHIC" warning in your title.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:40 PM
Dec 2012

For what is is worth, I think you reposting the picture with no warning is akin to the post printing it.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
19. How horrible:(
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:52 PM
Dec 2012

That poor man.

I can't imagine being a member of his family or group of friends and seeing this.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
20. I've thought about what I would do if I ended up on the tracks.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:00 AM
Dec 2012

Because I ride the subway almost daily. The best thing to do is get on the other side of the third rail. Often there is either wall there or an empty space adjacent to the next set of tracks. I hope I never have to seal with that.

 

rDigital

(2,239 posts)
21. So sad. I simply cannot believe that anyone would print such a picture in
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:02 AM
Dec 2012

a publication like that. What if that was your kid or your dad?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
23. Depraved indifference
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:02 AM
Dec 2012

For those people who just stood there and watched and the photographer who could not drop his camera long enough to lend a life-saving helping hand, I hope some investigative authority looks into the possibility of legal charges for simply standing there as a human being was in the process of losing his life and did nothing. It is barbaric.

Sam

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
24. Neighborhood man questioned after subway rider's death on tracks
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:14 AM
Dec 2012

Witnesses have indicated the man who pushed 58-year-old Ki-Suck Han to his death appeared to be disturbed and had been muttering and frightening others on the platform as they waited for a train about 12:30 p.m. Monday.

Han, who New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly has said was headed to the Korean consulate to renew his passport, apparently confronted the man and told him to leave others alone.

Video taken by another person on the platform showed the man yelling at Han to leave him alone.

At a news briefing, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said it appeared the man who had pushed Han had “a psychiatric problem.”

Han, he said, “tried to break up a fight or something and paid for it with his life.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-subway-rider-dies-suspect-questioned-20121204,0,7408538.story

marmar

(77,081 posts)
25. Murdoch has set a bar so low for media......
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:44 AM
Dec 2012

...... that his publications have to look up to find the bottom of the barrel.


Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
26. I can tell you right now why that pic wat chosen and it was not due to journalism!!
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:03 AM
Dec 2012

This kind of yellow journalism is due to the sales dept. getting their dirty, sick minds in the newsroom! I remember when I was working as a associate producer for t aTV morning news show. The sales dept had to be watched 24/7 so they didn't mess up the news. And believe me there were a few stories they wanted to stop and in some others they wanted to add stuff. When they do get in your newsroom just hang up true journalism!

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