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a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:26 PM Dec 2012

Forty-five job applications...

and rejection, after rejection, after rejection have rolled in. In some cases, I know I'm out of the running, but don't even warrant a rejection letter.

So much for my rockin' PhD in a great, important field of historical inquiry.

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Forty-five job applications... (Original Post) a la izquierda Dec 2012 OP
keep applying. 45 isn't that many these days. Don't give up. Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #1
For academics, 45 unfortunately is a ton... a la izquierda Dec 2012 #2
PhDs don't count for much these days, I'm sad to say. MNBrewer Dec 2012 #5
Many state budgets are being cut or reallocated in anticipation... aikoaiko Dec 2012 #18
Sorry, I know it sucks. I'm only up to three rejections, but TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #3
I really believe there's a place for everyone. badhair77 Dec 2012 #4
Thanks. a la izquierda Dec 2012 #7
Former ABD in English Literature here. Only 25% of my PhD cohort went on to coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #9
I'd rather they reject me right up front than go through the endless HR rat race davidn3600 Dec 2012 #6
Nope don't give up. Make a job of finding a job. You will get one. You may have to move. Where lonestarnot Dec 2012 #8
Moved from Oklahoma to Ohio. a la izquierda Dec 2012 #11
I know this sounds Polyanna-ish, but it works: when I was in sales, I took the attitude that a Squinch Dec 2012 #10
Thanks for the pep talks. a la izquierda Dec 2012 #12
Not pep talks, genuine interest. We are in this together. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #14
+1 Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #16
Thank you. a la izquierda Dec 2012 #19
Good luck over there. Texas would not be my choice, but one has to do what one has to do. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #22
How about a progressive think tank? If none hire you, create one. stevenleser Dec 2012 #13
I'm thinking private sector. a la izquierda Dec 2012 #17
I am in a tenure track position in the social sciences... TNProfessor Dec 2012 #21
Hang in there, ALI Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #15
Only 45 and you are ready to give up...? JCMach1 Dec 2012 #20

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
18. Many state budgets are being cut or reallocated in anticipation...
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:26 PM
Dec 2012

...of health care reform. At least that is what is happening in GA. All the state schools are cutting budgets by 3-6%.

This after a few years of even bigger cuts that are never going to be restored.

This is tough market for newly minted PhDs.

If you miss your first and second choice schools, go as low as you can bear for the teaching experience. Break off a piece of your dissertation into an article publication. The job market will improve at first choice schools and you will be more viable with a better teaching and publication record.

More temp and nontenure track positions open up in spring. I know, not ideal, but there it is.

Good luck.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. Sorry, I know it sucks. I'm only up to three rejections, but
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:34 PM
Dec 2012

they were for jobs far below the level I used to work at, so they kind of stung. My husband probably had almost that many, though, earlier this year--if you count the times he submitted applications and resumes and just heard nothing. Keep plugging away, something will come through for you.

badhair77

(4,218 posts)
4. I really believe there's a place for everyone.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:36 PM
Dec 2012

I hope you can find the strength to keep trying, despite the rejections, and you'll find yours. I'm rooting for you and hope you find the perfect position soon.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
7. Thanks.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:51 PM
Dec 2012

Emotionally, I can't take much more rejection. And my husband has waited on his career in favor of mine.

I should've never, ever wasted 7 years of my life.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
9. Former ABD in English Literature here. Only 25% of my PhD cohort went on to
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:56 PM
Dec 2012

tenure-track positions. (Like the character played by William Hurt in The Big Chill, I "chose not to continue"

I think the problem is that universities admit far more candidates into their programs than there are positions available at the other end of the Ph.D. (or MFA) pipeline. Result is that many very talented people end up getting stiffed by academia and forced into these 'gypsy scholar' lives of adjunct faculty status with shitty pay and no beneftis.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
6. I'd rather they reject me right up front than go through the endless HR rat race
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:42 PM
Dec 2012

First the phone interview. Then the in-person interview. Then the skills test. Then the 2nd interview. Then the 3rd interview. Then you wait a week. Then the drug test. Then the reference check. Then you wait again.

It goes on and on and on. And when they decide they don't want you, you either never hear from them again (and ignore you when you call) or send you the standard letter: "Although your qualifications were impressive, we decided to go with someone with more experience. Thank you for applying with us. And good luck with your search."

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
11. Moved from Oklahoma to Ohio.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
Dec 2012

My contract here is up in May. I teach a ton already, and am trying to get my work published so that I'm competitive.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
10. I know this sounds Polyanna-ish, but it works: when I was in sales, I took the attitude that a
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:58 PM
Dec 2012

success was won with a certain number of rejections.

In other words, if I racked up enough no's, I would inevitably get a sale at the end of it.

You WILL get a job. Keep plugging. Don't give up. Every rejection is a step closer.

TNProfessor

(83 posts)
21. I am in a tenure track position in the social sciences...
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:09 PM
Dec 2012

thinking of going into a thinktank or government job. It is not all it is cracked up to be. Go for the private sector. More pay.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
15. Hang in there, ALI
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 10:13 PM
Dec 2012

Been there, done that. Just look at each 'no' as one more rejection to the 'magic' number that the universe is looking for on this.

I am working WAY below my education (I have my masters, and don't even know if my core job description requires a bachelors), but the job itself is a very good fit for my temperament and interests, and allows me to bring more to the table than is expected - which keeps all of us happy. Sometimes the world works in weird ways.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
20. Only 45 and you are ready to give up...?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:03 PM
Dec 2012

That's just getting started.

Academics these days is much more like a military job. Don't expect to stay put and probably that 'dream' job just isn't going to happen.

If you haven't, you may NEED to apply for that Alaska, or Western Iowa job. It sucks, but that's the market.

Not wanting to sound discouraging either, but I haven't been happier since stepping away from academia these days. The infusion of the business model into colleges and universities have turned many of them into short-sighted, shitty places to work... not to mention salaries and benefits.

I have started my own business and my stress levels have dropped several magnitudes since doing so...

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