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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:12 PM Dec 2012

Brubeck: The soundtrack of mid-1960s campus progressivism

Last edited Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:31 PM - Edit history (4)

A few words about the passing of Dave Brubeck.

Rock, like many things, has gotten respectable with age. Back in the day, however, the left intelligentsia thought of rock music as unsophisticated noise for impulsive children... freshman stuff... teeny-boppers.

The aspiring Freedom Rider, the educated socially concerned white young person of the LBJ era, was usually something of a square. Cardigans and horn-rim glasses for the guys. For the women, skirts and shirts or the simplest shift with a proto-feminist unadorned plainness.

And you listened to intellectual jazz (with the almost Baroque precision of Brubeck) or folk music.

And when Bob Dylan went electric it was a betrayal... we want another Woodie Guthrie, not more Beatles!

As the world moved past LBJ Vietnam betrayal and "clean for Gene" into the assassinations of 1968 and the horror that was Nixon, the soundtrack shifted from Puff the Magic Dragon to Gimme Shelter. But back in the day—civil rights and early Vietnam—it was squaresville. Check out this audience... not exactly Altamont. Wine, premarital intercourse with a diaphram... maybe a little grass on special occasions. And real hope for technocratic, civilized solutions.



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slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
1. I remember a powerful anti-smoking ad from around 1965
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:14 PM
Dec 2012

It showed scenes of a young boy and his father, with the boy imitating things the man was doing.

The voice-over said "Like father, like son" over and over.

At the end the man lights up a cigarette, and the voice says "Like father, like son?"

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
11. I remember that ad well
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:41 PM
Dec 2012

The two of them were knocking around, skipping stones, etc...

I think the kid begins picking up the cigarette pack as his dad lights up....

 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
2. Well some considered Brubeck
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:16 PM
Dec 2012

an insult to "real" jazz. I think he was another great musician adding his creativity to a genre. He will be missed and I like his music.

I just don't think you have to put down other musicians and their sounds to appreciate Brubeck. Although I will agree that the Beatles sucked.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
10. Whatever edgy cred you think disliking the Beatles gets you...
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:37 PM
Dec 2012

...it doesn't.

It's a tiresome sort of pose... a "Christopher Marlowe was better than Shakespeare" sort of cry for attention.

 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
12. LOL, I said the Beatles sucked and
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:46 PM
Dec 2012

some of you whine about it. You could easily ignore it and just disagree but nooooo...

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
6. There's no put-down in the OP. It is about soundtracks of life, and how
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:26 PM
Dec 2012

those soundtracks are often re-written after the fact.

There was a young progressive class that was quite different from the hippies, but things get blurred together with hindsight.

Like Vietnam movies... it's odd that everyone in Vietnam listens to the DOORS. Really? Country and Western and Motown were probably more popular than the Doors in 'Nam but that's not the history we have written looking backward.

From the vantage of 2012 I am capable of liking Brubeck and the Beatles in the same way most of us like music from both sides of the Mods and Rockers division in the UK.

These little cultural self-definitions of the moment never mean the same thing in retrospect.

 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
9. Look I remember the times well and I doubt everyone
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:33 PM
Dec 2012

would agree Brubeck was THE icon of the times. He was one of many and deserves his place but he is not the only occupant.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
3. Depends upon which part of the 60's. Rock surpassed Jazz by 1968 on campuses.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:18 PM
Dec 2012

At PSU, the ostensible Jazz Club was inviting---besides Herbie Hancock---Jefferson Airplane, Chicago, Janis Joplin, and the like.

"Hootenanny" gave way to "Hullabaloo."

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
7. I agree. I'm thinking pre-1968.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:31 PM
Dec 2012

And really 1960-1966... the peace corps and freedom riders era, when the beatniks morphed into studious urban planners before being forced into anti-system defiance.

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
13. "A Taste Of Honey" how sweet it was!
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:00 PM
Dec 2012

Nice Writing!

I remember at Cal Berkeley how the undergrads used to hang in the scene along Telegraph Ave. where the sounds of The Beatles could be heard drifting out from the open doorways of every record (yes LP) store.

By contrast, the grad students would hang in another area off campus called "North Side". It was there that the sounds of Brubeck could be heard emanating from the sidewalk cafes along Euclid Ave., together with the aromas of freshly brewed Java and the sweet smell of weed.

"By the old wood stove our hats were hung
Our words were told, our songs were sung
We'd sit together through many a years storm
Laughing and a joking, 'til the early hours of the morn"

Bob Dylan - from one of his many dreams.

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