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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo IF Hillary is the Democratic nominee in 2016, will you vote for her or stay home?
Let's see ... potential first female POTUS ... but she voted for the Iraq War Resolution ... Walmart board of directors ... Obama's highly effective SOS ...
Bottom line: If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for her? Or stay home and let Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich become President?
As for me, I'm a DEMOCRAT.
Bake
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,577 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)LOL - Sorry, couldn't resist.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,577 posts)No Auntie, I'm just one of those "one day at a time' people..
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)over again. It pushes my entitlement/monarchy buttons.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Doesn't mean if they make the case they are out. I am just tired of dynasties.
RV, an old school FDR/HST/JFK/LBJ dem from way back when.
It is not good for this country to get their leadership from a small and increasingly shrinking gene pool
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)so I am not of the opinion that Hillary counts as a dynasty
same as I wouldn't be considering Michelle as a dynasty either
anymore than anyone else who would advance the same as FDR/JFK/LBJ/RFK/Carter/Obama
(excuse me if I do not include Truman on that list. I would have included FDR's prior to HST VP Wallace on that list had he been the final FDR VP)
whereas I would include Jeb as one and the same as he was bred to be from his grandfather and father like W was.
that is the difference IMHO.
No one can say either Michelle nor Barack ever thought of being President from day one
The Bush's have
(and I discount the Kennedy's myself from being a "dynasty" (at least the 3 brothers and the two children of JFK, in that none of them "needed" to be President, Teddy could have retired in 1968 and never done a blessed thing after that and no one would have faulted him.
Teddy, IMHO earned every single election he ever won and some were not easy.
and once he gave up the idea of being President, he became the best senator since LBJ after that, working endlessly for the regular person
and Hillary IMHO has the potential to do the same.(unlike those that keep saying she is tired and will retire, she will prove not to, when that would be easy.
She won't go the easy route, same as she did not cut and run after 2008.
Took a lot of courage to do what she did, and her loyalty earned my vote
(it was not a given, being that I most certainly was not a fan of hers before she took the SOS and earned my vote).
I believe that the Saul Alinsky part of her past is the real Hillary.
And that same philosophy Alinsky fought for his whole life is the community organizer that chicago(a good word) is.
And put it this way-
Jeb and W would not exist without 41 and Prescott
whereas, I do believe Hillary will be where she will be in 2016 IN SPITE of being Bill's first lady.
I do believe that someone like Hillary would have found her way to the top in a different path and be able to be President in 2016 on her own
To lump the two of them together is a great diservice to any individual in the modern age.
I would not believe though Jeb or W(especially W) could have done anything had 41 not come before them(and I believe W got at least 30% of his votes from people who in 2000 thought he was 41 running again and they had no idea he was a son of 41 at all. Yes, I think that side is that stupid.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I just find that with the emphasis on a small gene pool of 'names', the greatness of other people will not be known because the system favors the known over the unknown. I will personally crawl off my death bed for Elizabeth Warren.
I admire our side. We have a deep bench. But I am old enough to hate 'monarchies.'
There are so many who would have been amazing presidents but for the congealing around the known all the money and support you would need. Russ Feingold would have been amazing.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)against Jeb, against Rubio, Christie, whomever.
But I don't feel that is guaranteed with anyone else.
I really feel Jeb will beat Warren the same exact way 41 beat Dukakis
I just don't see the 270 being attainable let alone easy
and winning is all I care about.
As you said, there are over the years hundreds and hundreds who would have/could have made a great president, but only 44 have officially gotten the title.
As to Feingold, he lost me when he took the ball and went home and whined ala Bill Bradley after 2000. Feingold could have run for Gov(same with Bradley instead of Corzine vs. Christie)
Always thought though Feingold was Wellstone light.
Wellstone would have made a great President except he couldn't have gotten elected,
and would have been the wiser VP choice for Gore in 2000 (among many other wiser choices, but if Gore wanted a good family man who was Jewish like the reason he picked Joe L., then
Wellstone was that person. (though his at that time not well known MS probably was a reason he didn't get any thought).
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I'd like to see who runs
psychmommy
(1,739 posts)coldbeer
(306 posts)Obama was good for her and she does have Bill!
The Clinton's, like Obama, are not Progressive
enough for me.
But the Dems have my vote locked up. I
even voted for Gore after his dumbass pick of
Liberman for VP. The GOP sucks!!!!
Warren Religion
(70 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I hope there will be some choices, I prefer Progressives who are not so supportive of Bush's foreign policies and who will try at least, to hold war criminals accountable.
I also will never support anyone who supports torture no matter what the excuses are.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)We JUST had the election and now we've got to already start gnashing away about 2016?
Why cant we focus on 2014 and let 2016 get here sometime in 2014?
I'm not ready for the Great Hillary Wars that I'm sure will commence here.
Bake
(21,977 posts)LOL! Never too soon to start!
Bake
99Forever
(14,524 posts)'Cuz I've gotta tell ya...
... the continuous campaign crap REALLY is getting old and turns off a lot of people to paying attention to politics, at all. We need more people that are honestly informed, not less.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I guess I should have read the replies first before I shot my mouth off, err fingers on keyboard that is
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Why on earth would you think the GOP would run Newt or Santorum?
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Selatius
(20,441 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Period.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)I hate dynastic appearances. Even a Kennedy would be very difficult to support for me.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Lionessa
(3,894 posts)I do not like the appearance of dynasty that is happening with the Bushes and possibly the Clintons. I do not like that the Clintons are said to be akin to Poppy Bush's children in their relationships. And lastly, I do not like the DLC. Furthermore, I will not forget the trip into racism, gods, and guns that she took during the 2008 primary.
She's great as SoS, she's a phenomenal wife and mother, I have no doubt. But no more Clintons, no more Bushes.
And in case you bring up Chelsea, no because she's a Clinton and a bankster.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)the Roman Empire and become a monarchy. If we start voting for the close family members of former presidents, we start down that slippery slope.
No way. No more Bush's. No more Reagans or Nixons. No more Clintons. And, although I like them very much, no more Obamas. No family dynasties.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)This country has problems, and she would be good at fixing them.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)And you may be wrong, she doesn't seem altogether out of step with Poppy Bush, just as Bill Clinton didn't seem so and is now adored by PB and considered part of the family by the same.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Hmmmm, where have I seen that before? We are in a big fucking hole now because of that type of thinking in 2000 and 2010.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So she is in step with Obama, good enough for me.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The interesting issue for me is that in 2016, we will be at the same inflection point that we were at coming into the 2000 election. A popular and dynamic democratic President had worked hard to clear up three terms of republican fuck-ups (in the case of 2016, two terms) and democrats needed to vote to stay the course. The Nader ilk fucking blew that rational course up and we went through 8 of the darkest years in our nation's history because of their fucking clueless arrogance. Not ONE person that voted for Nader in 2000 can stand up and say that the nation wouldn't have been better off with Gore leading. Not fucking one of them can present a fact based analysis to refute my argument that they fucked up and the country paid and is paying a horrible price in economic uncertainty and jobs because of their arrogance. We may be better off in 2016 because we won't depend as strongly on the elitist, my way or the highway, Nader type of purists. Hispanics, working women, Blacks and Asians will have more say in 2016, that may be our saving grace.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)1) In 2016, its still three terms again. R's ran the senate during Clintons time, and were doing damage well before Bush took office. its not just mostly their fault, its virtually all their fault.
2) I didn't vote for Nader. Nader sold out his supposed values and damaged the causes he claimed to support in his personal quest for glory. But blaming Nader and those few who voted for him is virtually useless. Nader didnt keep Gore out of the white house. The voters of the United States of America didn't keep Gore out of the white house. That blame rests entirely on the supreme court and and the Republicans who were involved in election fraud.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)you would have voted for Nader in 2000. We will be at the same juncture, a democratic President did a hard lift to get the nation back on track and now can't run again, we have to chose a new leader. I hope the Nader ilk don't fuck this one up like they did Florida 2000, when the danger signs were so apparent to every other democrat.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)going to be throwing at their opponent, no matter who that is.
I would like to see a really strong opponent, like a Howard Dean type, who will speak truth, and who is a really good organizer, like Obama has been. The talking heads are going to be pushing the meme really hard that it's now a republican's turn, and they will be hoping it's the bush mafia again. AND they will NOT call out the last 2 bushes both bailing out the banks, having wars, and both having recessions. We need an opponent for Jeb bush who WILL call out the mess they left the country in. Both times.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The election would turn into a referendum on the Bush years vs the Clinton years. The Clinton years would win, hands down.
Revlon10
(177 posts)Not a fan, we as Americans are not about dynasties. Don't be so narrow minded. There are plenty of people working hard and makeing a difference yet you only have a hand full of names to choose from because of family relations and name recognition. I think someone is paying you to do these post to keep her name relevant. As for SOS she's just doing her job that was handed to her, her winning in ny was because of name recognition. Ask the people upstate how she preformed?
Stop it with this celebrity worship. We are smarter then this.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)what if she got the nomination?
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)Will not ever let my vote go for a dynastic or imperial or monarchic appearance in the USA. Won't do it, and for Hillary, regardless of last name, I also will never forgive her for turning hard right in the 2008 and her gods, guns, and racism therein.
Michigan Alum
(335 posts)Lighten up a bit.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)I would hope that no one does.
Hillary is the one who stepped into gods, guns, and racism, perhaps she should've taken your advice back in the 2008 primaries, then at least some of my objections to her wouldn't exist.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...I'll vote for her. But, I doubt she will be. So get back to me later.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)If Hillary does get into the race, I will flip to supporting Hillary in a New York minute!
sasha031
(6,700 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:45 PM - Edit history (1)
Bake
(21,977 posts)Not everybody can spell/type ...
Bake
sasha031
(6,700 posts)I really need better glasses
rurallib
(62,422 posts)until then there is climate change, SS and Medicare and taxes and infrastructure and jobs and health care and............................................................. to work on
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Alas this is the problem.
Larkspur
(12,804 posts)She's done penance since she voted for the Iraq War and she is in fact the most qualified woman in either party to be Prez.
If she decides to run for Prez, she'll suck up most of the big donors and news cycles, so it'd be hard for any other Dem to compete with her.
I'd be very enthusiastic about a Clinton/Schweitzer 2016 ticket. It would give us an East-West ticket.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Bucky
(54,020 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)of whether someone is planning a Presidential run.
gateley
(62,683 posts)doesn't run.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Unlike some who admitted writing her in in 2008 instead of the actual Democratic nominee.
I support the Dem who's running.
The question now is, how many threads will appear daily between now and the actual date people know if she's in or out? And HOW far off is that?
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Period.
frylock
(34,825 posts)can we back off the fucking loyalty oaths for a couple months?
Bake
(21,977 posts)You could choose to answer OR wait it out ... FFS ...
Bake
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I was never much of a Hillary fan during the primaries. I thought she ran a viscous campaign, but I would gladly vote for her in a heartbeat if she was the 2016 nominee.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)People are hating on Hillary Clinton as a possible 2016 choice?
Let me make this perfectly clear. Unless Attila the Hun is brought back from the dead and somehow wins the Democratic nomination, I am voting for our candidate.
You can quote me on that in 2016.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)just sayin...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And why is it always "Atilla the Hun," do people confuse him with "Atilla the Swede" and "Attilla the Javan" that often? How would it look if we did this with ALL world leaders?
"Today Barack the American met with Angela the German, François the Frank, and Giorgio the Lombard to discuss the Eurozone financial crisis..."
...Okay, actually, I might start calling him "Barack the American" because that's just a little awesome, yeah
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:49 PM - Edit history (2)
Also, "Atilla" is used as a man's name even today in places like Hungary. So, "Atilla the Hun" leaves no doubt as to who is being talked about.
And now for something not completely different:
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I like that!
Tippy
(4,610 posts)Se is a qualfied Canidate.....
I vote by mail here in CA.
treestar
(82,383 posts)She is a Democrat. No Gringich or Santorum in the WH. That would be horrible.
Its time for a woman. If she runs, she gets my vote.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)That said, I'll vote for whoever wins the primary.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)plenty of time to figure that out. How about we wait until 2014 or so and actually see who is running.
Bake
(21,977 posts)These things start early, it seems.
Bake
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Hillary says it.
Can't we just enjoy the upcoming inauguration?
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Of course I will.
But let's wait until President Obama is sworn in for his second term, please.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Hillary has good points and bad points. The Dems have to perform period. We'll see.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)Makes her really hard to embrace for president anymore.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)her and Bill. If she is the nominee I will vote for her.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)I might not be fired up about it. But at the end of the day, there's no way I'm staying home to let a rethug in the whitehouse.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Shouldn't we wait until we hate her to ask?
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)If Hillary's our nominee, hell yes I'll vote for her. For the record.
Bake
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)No way either could be president, even with a lot of Dems staying home (which wouldn't happen, BTW, if Hillary were nominated).
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Not vote for the closest thing to a sure-bet candidate we have?
Of course I would vote for Hillary, and I would do so enthusiastically.
If we are going to have a woman candidate within the next decade, it is going to be Hillary. If not her, it will be only male presidents for years to come. Period.
As highly as we may regard Warren or Gillibrand or any other woman politician, they do not have the name recognition, the gravitas, the resume, the political network, or the electibility that Hillary does.
Yes, we can quibble over her vote on the Iraq War or her various statements during the campaign of 2008, but let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good -- or in Hillary's case, the very damn good... especially considering most DUers' choice for the "perfect" candidate wouldn't have a ghost of a chance of getting elected.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Very damn good!
Bake
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Hillary has closets full.
That is what will win this thing - the new media. and the information out there on youtube and other sources on the 'net are not kind to Hillary. but Devastating.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)the one whose husband or father was a great president. That's how dynasties form, and that's how nations become governed by monarchs. No way. One Clinton, one Bush, one Reagan, one presidency per family and no more.
The Clintons are not nobility. Please. She should lend her support to a candidate who is not related to her.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Obama hate didn't stop him, so maybe I'm putting too much weight in that...
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)I would hope not one person on the board would not. I certainly will no matter what!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)Bucky
(54,020 posts)It means we'd vote for a yellow dog if it won the party's nomination. I got no problem with Mrs Clinton, and I'd gladly vote for her, though she's not my first choice. I'm disinclined to think she'd get through the nomination process successfully again. I could be surprised. History hasn't been kind to the Democrats when we nominate battle-tested warhorses (Humphrey, Kerry, Gore, Mondale). I think some fresh face will come along. If Clinton keeps a toe in the water, I doubt any of those fresh faces will be women, however. Too bad. There's a couple I'd really like to see run.
But back on point: I will vote for the party's nominee in 2016, no matter what.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Of course, that doesn't mean we won't have to absolutely, without question, hold her feet to the fire
That's the only way you can get anything from a Clinton
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Why, yes, yes I would for Hillary in the General election if she won the nomination.
Now, in the primaries I would have to weigh her against others in the field.
But, as the nominee, I won't knowingly, or by my inaction, support the abomination Republicans will nominate.
madokie
(51,076 posts)let her announce first
mike_c
(36,281 posts)...so my conscience is not troubled. Last time I voted for a democrat for president was 2000. It'll be a cold day in hell indeed before I vote for anyone who helped support the invasion of Iraq.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Just wondering ...
Bake
mike_c
(36,281 posts)In those days there were lots of acknowledged greens and other progressives posting regularly on DU. Probably still are, but many left over the years. I'm still here. I'm a former dem whom the party left behind as it lurched to the right. Even when I was a democrat though, I was barely one, way over on the left fringe. If there's ever a social democrat wing of the democratic party, that might draw me back. One can always hope.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)Not a prolific poster, I suppose, although 30K posts isn't silent, either. Check my profile. I joined DU in early 2002, after several months of lurking. I read DU nearly every day, but don't always post.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)than 2002, actually. Wasn't DU around during the 2000 election?
Anyway, I joined years ago, then stopped. Got sick of all the divisiveness and personal attacks and such. Then I rejoined later again, I think for the 2004 election. But my post count is low because....I didn't carry forward from my first joining, and I don't participate sometimes for a period of time.
So I was just curious.
I'm not a Democrat, either. But I'm a liberal and almost always vote Democratic. I just don't align myself with any political party. But it's not because I'm further left. I just have issues with the parties. I am not progressive, either, on some issues. I am more moderate.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Right after the first Bush inauguration. I started lurking a few months later after seeing a thread about DU on democrats.com. Nice to make your acquaintance, Honeycombe8!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)I must have the lowest post rate of anyone who is still posting.
ETA: I'm just surprised that 30,920 posts is considered low.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'm just so used to seeing high number posters, I guess.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Bake
clydefrand
(4,325 posts)(and I'm a 77 yr. old male, but I would like to see what the hell the GOP would do with a woman (women?) in there - they wouldn't like that any more than they are liking Obama.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)We have to get through this cycle intact, first.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Both in the primary and in the GE.
I'd crawl on broken glass for a week to make sure I'm first in line, too.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)although I hope it isn't Mrs. Clinton for a number of reasons.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)but only downticket races. I might cast a vote for whomever the Democratic Socialist nominee is.
I've said it before...there are people who run as Democrats that are not as far as I am concerned really Democrats and I will never cast a ballot for...and Hillary Clinton is one of them. I will as a matter of course working for whatever primary opponent is the last one standing against her. I'll be starting the primary season with Martin O'Malley.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)However (and I know this wasn't the question) I don't plan on voting for her in the primaries.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The point is, there's no good reason we should nominate somebody progressives HAVE to grit their teeth to vote for.
This isn't a right-wing country and we don't have to nominate hardline hawks anymore to win. At the least, she owes an apology for backing the U.S. involvement in cherry-picking who got to be president of Haiti(helping to make sure that only right-wing candidates were allowed to run)and in enabling the coup in Honduras. Neither of those things were necessary for U.S. security(it's particularly disgusting that she seemed to accept the idea that it threatens U.S. security to let Haiti increase the minimum freaking wage.)
loyalkydem
(1,678 posts)I mean it is 4 years away
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)loyalkydem
(1,678 posts)but if she is the nominee I will vote for her.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)But sounds good to me.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)....unless we have a knock down drag out Primaries 2016 like we did in 2008 first.
Then once all the tears are shed and the bitterness sets in for some while others are overjoyed, I will vote for the nominee who won our primaries.
If that nominee happens to be Hillary Clinton, I'll have no problem voting for her.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)but it would be hard to do. very hard. and I'd have to get the go ahead signals from Obama.
for me it was easy to support Obama because I believed in him. I believe he is an honest and decent person and tries his best to do the right thing for others before for himself.
I never thought I'd ever see anyone like that as President. He is like a wish-list President.
But if Barack Obama gives her the thumbs up, I would try my best to do what I could.
but it would be haaaard.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I'm really hoping to see someone far more left in the WH.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I am a lot more liberal than she is, but she is a lot more liberal than most Republicans.
Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)rivegauche
(601 posts)rivegauche
(601 posts)I would vote fo a potted plant before voting for those morons, and I would never stay home. The year I stop voting is the year I drop dead.
doccraig67
(86 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)There is a hidden message in that headline.
Don
man4allcats
(4,026 posts)I agree with All Of President Obama's, but of course I would vote for Hillary in 2016 without reservation rather than let some RepubliThug such as those you mention accede to The Office. Who wouldn't? Hillary has more to offer any day on any level than those kind of people ever have at any time. As I've said so many times before, I will continue to vote Democratic even though the Democratic Party is far from the Socialists I prefer until such time as the RepubliThugs start supporting viable candidates instead of Nazis. When they promote candidates that support the Constitution and the average American, I will feel comfortable voting for the Socialist candidate because even if the Socialist doesn't win, a RepubliThug under those conditions might actually be called an Ike Era Republican which might not be so bad.
However, I don't see that happening. I think the RepubliThugs are now too far over the cliff and will never return to what they once were, so yes, I will readily and happily vote for Hillary in 2016 if she chooses to run for that crazy job. I'd rather have a Democratic right of center genius than a RepubliThug any day.
Gothmog
(145,302 posts)I would be very happy to support her and vote for her. I supported Obama in 2008 but would have supported and voted for H. Clinton is she was the nominee in 2008.
LibGranny
(711 posts)so YES, she'd get my vote!
KauaiK
(544 posts)wtmusic
(39,166 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)courteous to people who do not agree with her than Hillary Clinton has been, one who didn't serve on Walmart's board at a time that it discriminated against women and did not pay decent wages, did not vote for the Iraq War and is younger.
I am the age that Hillary Clinton will be in 2016. I am healthy and keep fit and am told I look younger than my age, but I know how little energy I have and that I cannot do what I did four years ago.
I think Hillary Clinton should help find some other person to run for president in 2016.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)It wouldn't be pretty
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)No, I would not vote for Hillary.
texshelters
(1,979 posts)I live in Arizona, where a Dem won't win.
So, I don't know. I might vote Green again and hope the Democrat wins nationally.
PTxS
frogmarch
(12,154 posts)There are really Dems who wouldn't?
Island Blue
(5,816 posts)from President Obama yet, so I think I'll hold off deciding who to vote for in '16.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)And I didn't know who Barack Obama was. Didn't really remember his convention speech in 2004. But before the Iowa Caucuses I was already liking him a lot, and was no longer a slam dunk for Hillary. And that feeling just kept growing, much to the chagrin of my Democratic friends who had already unfailingly committed to Hillary. They all ended up voting for Obama when the primaries finally came to Florida.
If the election were held today, I would vote for Hillary. But I am open to who else may sprout up.
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On edit, I didn't closely read/reply to the question. If she is the nominee I will absolutely vote for her, and even if I wasn't going to vote for her I would never stay home. There is never only one important issue on the ballot.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)So the question is moot, really.
I think the only real question, and one worth asking, is if she does run in 2016, how much damage will she attempt to do to the front-runner when the delegates make it apparent that she will not get the nomination.
I hope to never in my life see another Democratic candidate attempt to a) hurt another candidate as much as Mrs. Clinton attempted to hurt (then) candidate Obama and b) see a candidate so openly disregard the will of the delegates/Democratic voters.
PB
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)I get my early ballot and fill it out at home!
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)vote for her.
underpants
(182,826 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)I supported Hillary in the primaries,but I knew all along that I would vote for the Democratic candidate in the GE.
MrsBrady
(4,187 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)it is unlikely she will be able to earn my vote in the primary.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Unlikely, but her supporters will make an effort to get your vote . . .
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I am honest when I say it is unlikely she can earn my vote in the primary. The possibility exists but so does my winning the Mega Millions Jackpot, twice.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Of course I will vote for her. Why should I do anything else. I'm a Democrat for crissakes.
I'm not Bill Clinton's biggest fan but if he ran again I would vote for him.
Maybe I would draw the line at Joe Lieberman but then again he ain't a democrat anymore.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)And I say that as someone who made IWR a litmus test in 2007-8. A lot of us had/have a religious objection to that vote, but there were strategic reasons for avoiding a pro-IWR candidate in 2008 (the war was an active issue then and it was preferable to run a candidate who fully opposed it against a pro-war GOP candidate) that just won't apply in 2016.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)She inspires nothing, there has to be someone better
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)First, we have to go through the ordeal called "the Democratic Party primary season". This is DU's circular firing squad. It will be ugly.
Once we have a nominee, it gets easier.
If Hillary is the nominee, then Yes, I'll vote for her.
If she's not the nominee, then I'll vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee.
The General Election is the simple part.
The 2008 primary season was a lot of fun.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)center rising
(971 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)that was a problem I had with her before. That's still not good, but she's made up for that. I'll chalk it up to naivitee, and as a woman senator, she may have felt a need to prove she's as brave as a male senator (and plenty of male senators voted for the Iraq War).
She's older and wiser. She knows when to talk and not talk. She knows when to fold 'em. She knows what to say. Would she have decided to go after OBL like Obama did? I doubt many people would have made that decision, so I don't know.
I will vote for her. AND we'll have a pretty good First Man.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)During the 2008 primary wars on DU, I was one of the big Hillary bashers.
But guess what. The primaries are over. She's proven to be damned capable as Secretary of State, and if she wants to run for President, I'd be more than happy to vote for her.
sellitman
(11,607 posts)Why even wonder?
If she is the Dem of course I'll support her.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Fuck the repukes and the mindless zombies who go out and vote for them in every election no matter what, we can't let them win!
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Because as much as I like her, there may be a better candidate in 2016.
You never know...
jschurchin
(1,456 posts)But that said, absofuckinglutly I would vote for her.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If you support HRC, wouldn't it have been far more helpful to her chances for you to actually make a case for nominating her?
Why provoke people about this NOW?
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)IF I have no other choice. Any Republican qualifies as No Other Choice.
But I'd rather have another choice, a true progressive...
Warren/Grayson 2016!
AC_Mem
(1,979 posts)2016 is a long way away and much can happen. IF Hillary ran, and she was the best candidate, then she would have my vote.
Much can and will happen in the next 4 years- this presidency is going to be interesting, judging by how it has started off! I love watching bad ass President O kicking some GOP butt!
Annette
charmay
(525 posts)Living in a state run by repugnicans is bad enough, let alone a country run by them.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)krawhitham
(4,644 posts)and it is 2016 or never for Elizabeth Warren she will be 67 years old
B Calm
(28,762 posts)pretty good. But, then I'm 62 so of course she looks good!
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)AND SHE HAS NEVER BEEN VETTED NATIONALLY. Who the hell knows whats in her closet or any other non-nationally vetted candidate.
Only Biden and Hillary have been vetted.
she talks good
but then so did Dennis kucinich, but almost nothing he ever suggested ever became law, nor can a one issue candidate win as proven by nice guys like George McGovern or Eugene McCarthy and Mike Dukakis and the others
(and don't forget the fraud on the other side talked and was in office for 25 years and did diddley squat on the same issue. If he actually wanted to do something, why didn't he?
But he talked a good game too that Ron Paul fraud).
We don't want another Dukakis, though he is a super great guy and I would love to disuss politics with him for 100 years
but the public did not agree with any of the above being president, and a Bush destroyed Dukakis, a big liberal from Mass in one of the biggest landslides of all time.
and Mass. has a dismal record in recent years on all sides for having a losing candidate
(by losing I mean the person running never appeared on "the placemat of presidents"
(not interested in any theft meme here.)
My heart was broken in 1968 when directly because of democrats, LBJ was forced to not run, and for what? kennedy was killed and so obviously were the dems chances in 1968, whereas LBJ would have won, he was the singular most liberal president up to that point ever, and it set goals back for decades, giving us nixon,ford, reagan, bush, bush and the possiblity of Jeb
RFK would not have run and died but for McCarthy, and he then would have been alive in 72 and 76
(though truth be told - LBJ was far more liberal than RFK anyhow on any and all social issues.
Have no fear though, she is not running. Hillary has it in the bag, and this thread btw
is about Hillary.
and Liz is not even the #1 person from Mass- Deval Patrick would be
all of the ones who won't be in office in 2016 are running for vp
the others should remain in their seats so that the repubs don't steal them
2016 is way different than 2008.
I would think anyone who would not vote for the democratic candidate if it is Hillary in2016 would be going against what this board stands for in its terms.
imho (except for the last line which is in the terms of this board).
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)As they have been since 2008, actually 2004 when the Clintons gladly let Kerry get swift boated. Granted, they did make amends in 2012, but let's face it, for all her overtures to friends like John McCain, Hill and Bill know the GOP still would love to ensure they die in prison, if not on a Gallows.
Yes, if she wins the Primary, I will vote for her.
Yes, she is a strong candidate
and this time, there are many people I would gladly love to see her roll over on the way to the nomination, such as Cory Booker and Rahm Emmanuel.
HOWEVER...IF she wants ENTHUSIASM..
She cannot run like she did in 2008, if she wants the support of the left, she cannot try to lean far right, as she tends to do. I will want to her her say and show that she is NOT the same person that ran in 2008, period. That means protect SS and medicare, that means paring down on WARS!
Frankly, the fact that some diplomats got killed in Libya is not what bothers me as much that, as we were stuck in two wars, we got involved with a third in Libya, nearly a fourth in Egypt, and may still be in a sixth in Syria. And while I do not trust Hamas,Hillary runs our Mid East policy as if she answers to Bibi Netanyahu, and that WILL stop!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Of course I'll vote for her. no matter how she voted 10 yrs ago. She was new in the Senate, swept away with it all, and yes naive. She could not bring herself to believe the Bush/Cheney cabal would lie about such a thing. She had to take that seriously. Now me, sitting out here in the hinterlands? Hahaha...you bet your sweet bippy I knew it was all a lie. Even when Saint Colin sat there at the UN waving that little vial of Anthrax or explosive (confectioners sugar) around, while everyone around him held their effing breath for fear he was going to drop it and blow them all to kingdom come right there at the General Assembly.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Joe will be the nominee, he will have the support of labor and Obama's ground team
I have never liked a democratic candidate less that HRC. I will not be knocking on doors for her or donating money like I have for every candidate since Carter
I do not think she can win without the labor vote and most of them will not vote for her, PERIOD. Her Walmart ties does her in
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Can't remember the author's exact name. I saved it in a journal (old DU) and even printed it (lost) - it was a pre-2008 primary election post describing everything that Clinton has ever been involved in, and mentions her vote for the war and several other things.
I was interested in that post because I was sort of backing VP Biden. I thought Obama was a hopeless choice because he was (cough, cough) black...(at this point I admit I loved Obama when he won the nomination, and have donated to him (teeney-weeny amounts). I still love him.
But things went crazy here in Michigan in early 2008. The people in power decided to change our primary voting date from August to a week or so after Iowa's primary, well, maybe not a week or so, but a short time anyhow, maybe on or before SUper Tuesday...
Anyhow, the DNC or somebody else in power said MI can't do that and the votes that the candidates garnered could NOT be use in electing the candidate at the convention. So, sensibly, Biden, Edwards, and few others removed their name from the ballot. Clinton kept hers on with one other candidate, can't even remember whom.
Anyway, when Convention time came, Clinton and her mighty forces fought like hell to get her votes counted because there were a good many - naturally, because the other candidates didn't bother to campaign to get the votes in an illegal primary. Michigan was angry with her, maybe except for HER supporters because a lot of us just plain liked other candidates better...and thought the whole thing was an outrage and just plain unfair and unethical...
I am a democrat and would rather vote for Biden (still) but will always vote Dem..
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)This was all a ploy for her and I saw it coming a mile away.
The same in FL.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)because I didn't think it counted anyway..
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I knew she was going to pull that shit. I wanted there to be a chance that she couldn't steal our Representatives.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)it would be a neat thing for me considering I once co-hosted Gov and Mrs Clinton for dinner and a discussion - not much I know but my little brush with history before they were famous. That was 30 years ago and I've been a fan of both ever since.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I voted for Kerry, too, and he voted for the IWR. And that was while the stupid thing was still going strong.
rainlillie
(1,095 posts)It depends on who else is running. I would vote for her, because she is very capable IMO.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)And I would not have a problem with it at all. Those things that you mentioned are things that might hurt in the primaries, along with other things. She's got a record and she's fought and lost one bloody primary battle. That's got to produce some ammunition. And this far out I have no idea who I'd support in the primaries, but the general....no question at all. Would vote for her and support her with passion, too.
Ya Basta
(391 posts)But in the primaries? I cannot say at this time. I'd have to know who was running against her.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)just like the Repukes were stuck with Mittens this year.
april
(1,148 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts).... and her dog-whistle racist campaign against Obama really opened my eyes to how low she would go - but it's unlikely that the Republican offering won't be 10 times worse so i will vote for her.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)I will support someone else In primarys(If Biden runs I will support him.If he doesn't I am neutrel till I see who runs In primarys) and
vote for her In general election If she Is nominee.
We could have a CLinton(Hillary) VS a Bush(Jeb) again In 2016.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)I'm not that stupid.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)barbtries
(28,798 posts)i don't want to be thinking about that. too much else to do.
we all need to be NOT staying home for all of the elections between now and then, though.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)There I said it so go ahead and flame me. Kerry was like my 5th choice in 2004 and at no point did I support OBama in the 2008 primaries. And yet for both candidates I very actively supported their elections and knocked on alot of doors for both candidates during the general election.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I'd work to get her elected as I would most Dem candidates.
Julie
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)In mid 2015. I'm too busy trying to make sure Obama has a successful second term.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And are we really going to have an argument about it in 2012?
BB_Smoke
(62 posts)But I won't judge others who support a different Democrat for president. I would prefer to elevate my candidate with arguments for rather than by tearing down others with arguments against. See how well the Republicans fared by running Romney by virtue of not being Obama.
Plus, no force in the universe would ever allow Santorum or Gingrich anywhere near the Oval Office.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I am already sick of the Christmas music. One consolation in this time period is that the election ads are OVER. Can we give it a rest, for like maybe three years?
klook
(12,157 posts)First DU thread I've trashed since the election.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)If she's the nominee I will certainly support her!
mykpart
(3,879 posts)Consider the alternative. And I'm a Democrat too.
MzShellG
(1,047 posts)Hillary hasn't even announced she's running. For now I'm supporting our current president and still celebrating his victory.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)in the general election if she gets the nomination. I hope she doesn't get the nomination though.
SteveG
(3,109 posts)then HELL YES, I will vote for her. The only thing I worry about will be her age. She is now a seasoned politician in her own right. She has strong foreign policy experience, s he also has strong executive experience from running the State Department. She is respected around the world and to some extent feared. The only blemish on her political career is that she lost to Obama in 2008 because she didn't take him seriously until too late (which is one of the reasons I supported Obama early on), she assumed the nomination was hers, I doubt she would make that mistake again. If she runs, she will do whatever it takes to defeat whichever Teapublican bastard they set against her. She will take no prisoner's, she will kick ass, and I think she would be a very effective President.
I say this as a 62 year old white married male who supported Obama wholeheartedly in '08 and '12.
upi402
(16,854 posts)With friends like these...
pass
I'm a Democrat.
redStateBlueHeart
(265 posts)Not voting is not an option for me. People died, literally died, so I could vote. Hell, I live in one of the reddest states but vote in every election...it's pretty much a symbolic vote, but I still do it.
I'm to the left of Hillary politically, but I admire her and think she's done a fantastic job as Secretary of State. Risk a President Santorum? Like I said, this should be a no-brainer.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Presidents have already appointed Monsanto personnel and lawyers to the supreme court and FDA. ENOUGH CORPORATE BULLSHIT!
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)I joined the Democratic Party to get away from politicians like her.
I'd never vote for her.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)I can't say I'm a big fan of Hillary, but she will be better than whoever the Republicans nominate. The lesser evil is the logical choice. You should also consider the balance of the Supreme Court.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)But if she were to win the nomination of the Party then I would vote for her for President. I would do all in my power to make sure she was not the nominee though. Oh, on that 'mostly' in the title, I do not see any evidence that she is a racist. Pro-war authoritarian I'd agree with in a heartbeat, but not racist. But even as I write that I hold in my mind that she, like myself, is white, and all white americans are racists if they admit it or not.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)If you have any left that is...
Kennah
(14,273 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)asktheteach1
(1 post)better believe it! SIGN ME UP FOR HER CAMPAIGN NOW
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)If she is the nominee and there is any option, I would probably vote third party. She is slime.
Michigan Alum
(335 posts)It still stings when I think of how Hillary was treated by many here and in the media (Olbermann, etc.) Just goes to show that it's an old boys club even in the Dem Party. Black men had the right to vote way before women did - there is no coincidence there.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)I will support one of the two candidates who are most likely to win the Presidency - I will support the one who is the most progressive - or at least the least reactionary of of the two and the one who is less likely to support more imperial wars.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)i would`t vote for her in the primary because she will be to old to do the job.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)I think she might run. I'd put it at 50/50. Bill went and laid the foundation for her by campaigning for Obama. However, I think after 4 years of being SoS, she'd like to sleep for a year to a year and a half and think about it in 2014.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Hillary Clinton/Al Gore. That's what I want.
It won't be Santorum or Gingrich she'll be facing, though. It'll be Jeb, or Chris Christie, or Bobby Jindal, or Bob McDonnell.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Good god. Give us a few years before we have to deal with the loyalty oath attack dogs again. It's only been a month, for god's sake.
Unrepentant Fenian
(1,078 posts)I voted for her in the Primary against President Obama.